Which manufacturers are the most reliable bread makers (survey - research)

I have a miracle of imported technology named Listo. Let's wait and see. The most annoying thing is that you have to try all sorts of recipes according to the scientific sticking method. And with Aasha's help I'll be a master someday (I hope)

... the most annoying thing is that you have to try all sorts of recipes according to the scientific sticking method. And with your help I will someday become a master (I hope)

On the contrary, it is not offensive, because there is a forum and there are answers to various questions and many recipes. Imagine someone who has HP, but no Internet access. Many people abandon the oven as an unnecessary unit after several failures. So, friends of my acquaintances bought Moulinex 5002, on the third attempt we got white fast bread more or less: now they only bake it and there is not enough imagination for anything else (not all were born experimenters). I still can't get to them to inform them about the great capabilities of the stove.
And with your Listo you will definitely become a master.

[I have a miracle of imported technology named Listo. Let's wait and see. The most annoying thing is that you have to try all sorts of recipes according to the scientific sticking method. And with Aasha's help I'll be a master someday (I hope)

And I have a miracle of Chinese technology Novex NBM-7011. It's cheap. (Lyrical digression. I really love technology, but there is not enough money for expensive. When I was young, I bought a TV and a video from Funai (China), so my colleague proudly told me: "This cheap Chinese thing will break down soon, I buy only Panasonic equipment." It was 16 years ago. Both my TV set and Vidic still work for me, but she threw out her Panasonic after 5 years, because it was not subject to repair. Therefore, I don’t bother about "China".)
I'm happy with the stove so far. Bakes well. The French turned out the first time and great. True, it turned out to be an embarrassment with the recipe for cake from fugaska, so I studied all 28 pages of "Delicious cake from Elena Bo". I sat without stopping for 5 hours. by the end of the reading I wanted to howl. Therefore, I have a lot of questions for the administrator Elena Bo, but I will write to her in a personal, so as not to clog this topic.

And I really like the forum. Thanks to the creators. !!!!!!!

When I was young, I bought a TV and a VCR from Funai (China), so my colleague proudly told me: "Your Chinese cheap stuff will soon break, I buy only Panasonic equipment." That was 16 years ago. Both the TV and the Vidic still work for me, but she threw her Panasonic 5 years later, because it was not subject to repair. Therefore, I don't bother about "China".)

And I will not have a lyrical digression. Unfortunately, in our time, Chinese-made technology is very different from Chinese-made technology 16 years ago. I believe that funai "of that 16-year-old Chinese assembly" still works for you, but unfortunately, now Chinese-made equipment is a much bigger lottery than branded equipment. And the current Panasonic will work much longer and better than any Chinese craft. Remember, before, both clothes and Chinese shoes were very good, factory-made, and then some kind of flow of consumer goods and unstable goods poured out from the Chinese basements, which could not be compared with factory China, and unfortunately this flow does not subside and real factory quality can no longer be found here, although there are a lot of quality goods in China itself. And the Chinese technique can be of high quality, and sometimes it is assembled in the basement "on the knee" and this is exactly what it is profitable for our merchants to push here.
h. s.a Panasonic bakery has been working for me for more than 4 years, a Virpul microwave-7 years old, a Bosch-5 years old combine, a Bosch-8 years old washing machine and a lot of other little things. I don’t remember a single branded thing that broke. Already I want to change a lot for something newer, but my hand does not rise somewhere to put still perfectly functioning devices. But the DVD player XORO, bought for the experiment, is a well-advertised brand, did not live up to the first anniversary and, accordingly, the end of the warranty period. I was persistent, included in the guarantee. Repaired. And a month later he broke down again. Was sent to the trash heap.

Anastasia, I in no way hate branded equipment and maybe if there was more money I would also buy another one, but unfortunately not destiny, sir ..., so I buy it cheaper, but apparently the equipment loves me or regrets me, it does not break. Ugh, ugh, ugh, do not jinx it.

but my stove is not
trony 1000 ala clatronic 2864

[Nadiy]

Anastasia, I in no way hate branded equipment and maybe if there was more money I would also buy another one, but unfortunately not destiny, sir ..., so I buy it cheaper, but apparently the equipment loves me or regrets me, it does not break. Ugh, ugh, ugh, do not jinx it.

It seems to me that this is just a slightly wrong approach to the choice of technique. If there is no money for an expensive brand, then you need to look not for cheap equipment, but for cheaper models from normal Brands. Each Brand has a product line that may be simpler in function, but they are just as reliable as more expensive models - there are simply no bells and whistles that are not always needed.
Well, let's say the same example with your Novex NBM-7011 stove. I don't know how much you bought it for, but I found the price of 2190 rubles on the internet. For a price of 300-500 rubles more, you can take the cheapest LG - the HB 151 JE model. But it will be much more reliable than Novex NBM-7011. So it is with any product. LCD TVs are in vogue right now, for example. And many are trying to buy such a TV of any brand, for what money is enough. And for me, Panasonic with a regular pipe is better than some kind of liquid crystal Rolsen.
Nadiy But please do not be offended, for God's sake! I did not in any way want to offend you with my post! And I understand everything perfectly about money in our time, so my post is just a life observation from long-term use of a wide variety of equipment, I love her very much and therefore am interested in many things.

Anastasia! the fact is that all equipment is made in China and at one plant, most often on the same equipment and from the same materials
just at the end they mold a sticker with this or that name.
you think compaq laptops are made in America or Sony in Japan

I bought a Trony stove just to try it (and I don’t regret it for 2 weeks the family forgot about the bread from the store and I’ve never discouraged bread in this stove) I will break down and buy another one that catches my eye.

I say this not unfounded, since this is my job and I can assure you all that by opening Bosch, Panasonic and other brands, you will see the marking of production not Holland, not Japan, but China, you just need to distinguish between the china-factory and the china-shed of uncle Liao

the fact is that all equipment is made in china and at one plant, most often on the same equipment and from the same materials
just at the end they sculpt a sticker with a particular name.

Not one, and not the same.
The manufacturer can choose. To do it cheaply with uncontrolled quality, conditionally setting 30% for the marriage, or more expensive, but controlling the quality and laying on a much lower percentage of marriage.
What you are talking about (different labels are molded at the same plant) - there is also, but, for example, Panasonic will not be molded at the same plant with, for example, Vitek. They just have different quality management systems.

Anastasia! the fact is that all the equipment is done in china

I don't think so, and I would be very naive if I thought so. But the components, although Chinese, here and there, but in one case, these components are made on the "Chinese knee in the basement", soldered with a crooked soldering iron, with smudges on the microcircuits, and these components will be purchased by Chinese manufacturers of cheap noname stoves, which do not need to care about their own reputation, and in another case the components were produced in the same China, but under the control of Panasonic, Sony, etc. on a good assembly line and in compliance with all technological subtleties. Therefore, the final quality of the product will vary.And therefore, the cheapest haphazard Panasonic or Sony, etc. will always be more reliable than the most sophisticated noname. As they say you checkered or go?

Anastasia! the fact is that all equipment is made in China and at one plant, most often on the same equipment and from the same materials
just at the end they mold a sticker with this or that name.

This is complete nonsense!

Rustic stove

at one plant, this figuratively factories can 3-5-8 and so on at any plant in china there is a quality control and turn it not bad (Russia is not an indicator)
look at the design of the stove vertical-horizontal arrangement and so on and you will find very similar stoves with different names

here you all have a computer you buy monitors how many firms produce matrices?
or some have laptops how many factories make them?

in my experience (25 years) of working with the equipment of different companies, I can say that every year all industries move to Asia and the quality of production and assembly is leveled.
You have no idea what the Chinese can do from technology
I myself was surprised to have recently visited factories in China
Anastasia! sony and panas break as often as everything else

You have no idea what the Chinese can do from technology
I myself was surprised to have recently visited factories in China
Anastasia! sony and panas break as often as everything else

Can you give official statistics? My husband also works with the procurement of equipment for a very large company and I also know what I'm talking about. A close relative is engaged in the supply of Alpine audio equipment, yes, it was commissioned in China, but for some reason at a separately built Alpine plant and he never saw there that some Chinese brand was riveted at the same plant. And it’s amazing how you bought Troni if ​​you do the technology yourself.
What the Chinese can do and what they supply to Russia at the request of our "very smart leaders" of various trading offices, for which it is important to get only profit and as much as possible by buying outright junk in China and pushing it here under dubious brands, these are two big differences. Don't mislead anyone.
And what does the external similarity of the models have to do with it? Over there, the Chinese riveted duplicate cars of famous brands, but this did not make them as good and reliable as the prototypes.

Anastasia!
I bought a troni to try INTO such a bread maker 2000 r is not a pity, but it bakes and bakes not bad and the first time
will break buy what you like
I do not purchase equipment
I am engaged in security systems and IT technologies
I do not need Official statistics, I have all equipment passes through my hands and head (setting) and sometimes it is very convenient to work with Chinese devices than with brands (especially HP -computers will understand me)
I am not misleading anyone, but simply asking to distinguish between a china-factory and a china-garage, this is the first
and the second is that what we have under the brand is sometimes not of the best quality (Moulinex in February?)
with respect

[sometimes]

Anastasia!
I bought a troni to try INTO such a bread maker 2000 r is not a pity, but it bakes and bakes not bad and the first time
will break buy what you like
I do not purchase equipment
I am engaged in security systems and IT technologies
I do not need Official statistics

This is not a pity for you 2 thousand, (especially since I repeat, for 2600 you can buy an LG and also try what a bread machine is on it. Why take the dubious Brand Troni? Or 2 thousand is not a pity, but 2600 is a pity?) , and for many, 2 thousand is money that they cannot risk so much and throw it away. And it is desirable for such people to immediately make a normal choice. And if you do not have statistics, then you do not need to draw such conclusions that Sony and Panasonic break down no less often. This is just your IMHO.

and turn sometimes it is very convenient to work with Chinese devices than with brands (

In the fact that only sometimes I will willingly believe!

well let's give examples
I had appliances brand and china
DVD panas - burned out after 1 month
BBK-works for 4 years
XORO-works 1 year
Sony TV worked for 1 year 5 repairs This coffin is in the country
BBK- working for 3 years
HP laptop - burned out when turned on in a month cannot be restored
lenovo (china) stopped working after a child fell on it, soldered himself

Moulinex steamer - worked for half a year and the plastic stratified
Bosch dishwasher -1 year then knowing our service I repaired the whole circuit myself - it has been working for 3 years

I have my skis repaired 2 times myself but has been working for 3 years
Calculate the percentage of breakdowns yourself
I say again, choose the technique carefully and it doesn't matter whether it's a brand or not a brand, we live in Russia and you can always run into der ...

Quote: homepav from Today at 04:10:43 PM
and sometimes it is very convenient to work with Chinese devices than with brands (
In something that only sometimes I will willingly believe! --- Do not take out of context

I said that setting up for example HP is a crap you can earn

well let's give examples

These are just your personal examples. For me, as I wrote, XORO did not work for a year, and when I arrived at the guarantee and saw HOW MUCH of this XORO was piled up there for repairs and the door simply does not close - people constantly go there and carry this technique, then everything became clear.
And all the rest of the equipment I have is only the Brand-noname period we have already passed, thank God, and for some reason nothing breaks. Although I already want to change a lot for new items.
But these are not statistics. But the statistics still say that China is real, under its own brand is not good.
And from your example - Lenovo is a normal company that cares about its image - it's no wonder that their quality is at their best and they can be easily equated with Brands.
And what are the brands Troni, Elenberg, XORO, etc., etc.? Does the management of these companies have anyone who cares about the brand image and monitors quality? IMHO no. Sold at bargain prices - okay.
And if you simply put a proprietary matrix in a laptop out of bezishodnost, because there are no proprietary matrices, and take the rest of the filling from Liao in the basement, because it's cheaper, then this laptop will not be on a par with the Brand laptops. All spare parts in the Brand Note will be of high quality and reliable. And everything will be collected automatically on the conveyor, and not with a screwdriver in the basement.

All spare parts in the Brand Note will be of high quality and reliable. And everything will be collected automatically on the conveyor, and not with a screwdriver in the basement.

you tell my HP laptop because of which the apartment almost burned down

you tell my HP laptop because of which the apartment almost burned down

Well, you still need to figure out why and what burned there. And secondly, I'm not saying that Brands never break. There is a certain percentage of marriage. But in Brand technology, it is much lower. And therefore it is still more reliable. Here, at least kill, I will not give up.

Hurrah! I will stay alive

Anastasia is not going to convince anyone, I will not just say on my own, I ran up against Brown and Bosch, after that I don't look at the company, and Vitek and Scarlet have been working perfectly for several years, and Elenberg DVD has been working for 3 years without complaints, reading all the discs, and the same Phillips no. It's just a matter of chance.

But I beg you, do not be offended, for God's sake! I didn’t in any way want to offend you with my post!

Yes, that you, Anastasia, did not even think to be offended. I am Aries by horoscope, so usually when listening to advice, I most often do as I see fit. This is not always correct, but such a character. And usually in 80% of 100 I am right (but this only concerns me). I advise friends to learn more about issues of interest to them from different people in order to know different opinions. The only place where I don't follow these rules is in recipes.

Peace be with you bakers!
I read the controversy and I want to ask a question guys, where do you live?
we have a dump of waste from the global electronics market, and it doesn't matter
which label is stuck on the box.as already noted that, for example, matrices for LCDs are made by a couple of factories and brands of TVs
a lot, so with everything else
but what is interesting, I was here recently with my relatives in the city of HAMBURG
so they have such brands in their house that you will not find here!
and in a store on a vacuum cleaner, I saw a sticker made NOT in china

I read the controversy and I want to ask a question guys, where do you live?
we have a waste dump of the world electronics market,

Well, we live where we live. And we adapt to what we have. : '(And I have a feeling that we have all the equipment from China, no matter what they write in the accompanying.

and in a store on a vacuum cleaner, I saw a sticker made NOT in china

So what? My Miele vacuum cleaner is also not made in China.

and in a store on a vacuum cleaner, I saw a sticker made NOT in china

So we have a lot of such equipment "made not in China", only it is much more expensive than conventional equipment, and not everyone can afford such equipment.

You have to immediately determine: cheaper, but from China, or more expensive - but a native brand.

You ask yourself this question right away - before you go shopping.

Anastasia! the fact is that all equipment is made in China and at one plant, most often on the same equipment and from the same materials
just at the end they mold a sticker with this or that name.
you think compaq laptops are made in America or Sony in Japan

I bought a Trony stove just to try it (and I don’t regret it for 2 weeks the family forgot about the bread from the store and I’ve never discouraged bread in this stove) I will break down and buy another one that catches my eye.

I say this not unfounded, since this is my job and I can assure you all that by opening Bosch, Panasonic and other brands, you will see the marking of production not Holland, not Japan, but China, you just need to distinguish between the china-factory and the china-shed of uncle Liao

I won't say about the stoves, but you have a superficial idea about the laptops.
For four years he was engaged in wholesale and retail sales of laptops.

Two firms can afford to maintain assembly plants. These are Sony (collects beeches only under its own brand) and Samsung (for itself and for whoever asks). All other "manufacturers" of laptops order the manufacture of "skeletons" from third parties. And they themselves only: insert the processor, memory, screw, drive, battery, glue the logo, pack.

And the country where the assembly plant is located has practically no effect on the quality of the finished product. Any brand is entitled to% breakage. If the company can adequately organize production and quality control. Whether it will be in London or Maputo, it does not matter.
But the desire for super-profit ...
Euroset somehow ordered cell phones from Nokia without batteries and chargers (so cheaper). And already in Russia the boxes were equipped with "clean China". Batteries exploded, chargers burned. and the buyers were told about the low quality of production at the Chinese factories of Nokia.

Uncle Sam

for reference, I have been selling and repairing laptops and computers for 10 years, and
now only a consumer because of MCSE does not give a bad income.
memory, drive, hdd and battery except where are they made?

Anastasia agrees that
Miele is a super vacuum cleaner at the very same and only filters change
in general, the technique of "some" brands over the past 15 years has become worse in quality

We deviated from the topic - "Which manufacturers are the most reliable bread makers".

Note.

I agree

I propose to enter into the survey the item working time, for example, the number of breakdowns during a year or more.
because in the first months (according to my observations, up to 6 months), all devices work more or less
reliably, and then over time the reliability of brands grows (control of assembly and production affects).
and here I would like to see which of the brands is more reliable and accordingly purchase it

What manufacturers are we going to classify as brands? The first six on the list?
But, for example, I do not consider Mulinex a brand, and Murphy Richards, who produced good-quality stoves according to reviews, is not sold in Russia.
The survey form offered by the forum engine is very primitive and will not allow adding a new item.

We already have several sections on "which stove to choose", including the brands of stoves. It is enough to look at the result of the table itself, there are a lot of stoves, and as a rule they buy only a few promoted models, what kind of survey is still needed then.
And you need to focus on the spread of models for different countries, Moscow and the village of Kukuevo in the taiga.
What is more, and wasting time.

The wisest thing, from my point of view, is to make friends with the oven you chose, master it and bake bread in it to the fullest.
After all, there are still a lot of reasons why bread does not turn out to be full, it is better to send time here, to learn about the baking processes, regulating this process.

Much has already been said about this, what can we do to solve world problems, which we cannot influence.

Admin:
The wisest thing, from my point of view, is to make friends with the oven you chose, master it and bake bread in it to the fullest.
After all, there are still a lot of reasons why bread does not turn out to be full, it is better to send time here, to learn about the baking processes, regulating this process.
I agree
I just pounced on the person and spoke out
but in truth, my stove is simple and only a month, but I tried recipes from the old-timers of the forum and everything turned out (I'm surprised myself)
the main thing is the exact adherence to the recipe and the use of scales
And a special thank you to Admin - the first bread according to your recipe and it turned out right away

I agree
I just pounced on the person and spoke out
but in truth, my stove is simple and only a month, but I tried recipes from the old-timers of the forum and everything turned out (I'm surprised myself)
the main thing is the exact adherence to the recipe and the use of scales

Just let us be precise in the wording, we didn’t pounce, but I expressed my opinion (for this and the forum, in order to share opinions), moreover, in a tactful manner, I substantiated it and ASKED IN ADVANCE NOT TO OFFENSE ME in the same place! The person to whom the post was addressed understood me and answered. So, it seems that the defenders from the attacks were not required. :) Crocodiles don't live here though.
It is very good that you succeed, but when you succeed with this stove, as I have done with mine for more than 4 years, I will be even more happy!

So what? My Miele vacuum cleaner is also not made in China.

Peace be with you bakers!
yes, it's not the point where the thing is made
but the fact that in the west true information about the product
and we have the whole stove, for example, pasted over with signs of what has been done
in france, and a shop assistant with foam at the mouth will assure you that she is dear, but try to open the lid and see somewhere
in the corner made in china
the same with expensive equipment absolutely no guarantee

and we have the whole stove, for example, pasted over with signs of what has been done
in france, and a shop assistant with foam at the mouth will assure you that she is dear, but try to open the lid and see somewhere
in the corner made in china
the same with expensive equipment absolutely no guarantee

Honestly, I have not encountered such a phenomenon for a long time. The manufacturer is not written in any corner, but in the most conspicuous place - on the label of any device. A normal manufacturer does not need to hide the place of assembly. Multi-cookers Panasonic-Thailand, Panas-PRC stoves, Tefal pans-I have France and Peter, Philips kettle-made in Poland-everything is honestly written on labels that stick tightly to the technique. Now, if we are talking about some non-name brands that write made in the EU, let it be on their conscience.
What kind of stove do you have so pasted over?

Peace be with you bakers!
yes, it's not the point where the thing is made
but the fact that in the west true information about the product
and we have the whole stove, for example, pasted over with signs of what has been done
in france, and a shop assistant with foam at the mouth will assure you that she is dear, but try to open the lid and see somewhere
in the corner made in china
the same with expensive equipment absolutely no guarantee

Just yesterday we were talking about technology "in China and not in China", so why raise this topic again.

West, West - why the West, who would really know what is in the West.
There, too, there are good and bad.

What we have - we have that from empty to empty information to drive, and even get a kick from it.

And I was probably just unlucky. My HP Moulinex 5004 broke down on the second day, I waited a month for gears and a belt to be sent from France, that is, the entire mechanical part flew ...
And without waiting for the details, I exchanged it for Panasonic 254!
I waited with bated breath for the second day of work, but everything worked out and I'm happy!

Let me join your ranks

I am not quite a "young baker" since I have been using my Hitachi-E303 for 2 years already (but I have only 2 months of Internet access). I got the stove from relatives "by inheritance", that is, they also mercilessly exploited for 3-4 years. There have been no breakdowns yet (pah-pah-pah)!
In the absence of the Internet, I used recipes from the instructions for the stove, and from the first attempt the result was simply fantastic! Of course, there were also failures - but this is mainly from my craving for "experimenting with ingredients"
Now our homemade bread is very popular with guests, and we ourselves, when we go to visit, bake a loaf "to go"

A good choice! My Hitachi 303 more than 10 years of operation, behaves well!

I confirm that the recipes in the instructions for this oven are of very high quality and the bread is good, no mistakes were observed.

I also want to complain about Moulinex, I have been waiting for a month from the guarantee, the motor burned out. So how lucky!

LG 204.4 years worked at most once every one or two weeks, and even less often as a dough mixer. The result of 4 months of active baking (1, sometimes 2 loaves per day) was a leaking oil seal, which caused water-dough to enter the bearing, the bearing coked up and stood up, the rod (the contraption on which the blade is worn) continued to rotate and worn out. The whole mechanism of the bucket began to tilt during kneading because of which the spatula severely scratched the bottom (I sincerely thought that it had scratched with additives). The result is the need to change the bucket, which is one third of the cost of the entire stove. In fairness, I note that the motor turned out to be strong enough, since it did not burn out, working in such a situation for several weeks until a breakdown was found.

My Panasonic has only been with me since September, but plows 4-5 times a day - so far excellent, God forbid, that it will continue like this.

Hello everyone
and I have an unknown company at all - Otto Stecker ...
who heard what maybe?
settled in my house just-nothing, a couple of weeks ago. Now we are getting along with each other, we are studying
I bake recipes from the documentation for the stove and from the forum

I'd like to join your discussion, but it's too early ... the stove only appeared yesterday. Panasonic. Hope it will last a long time.

When choosing a bread maker, it is advisable to get information about this technique, and the reliability of the stove does not seem to me to depend on the name, so how lucky. You can buy an expensive one and hand it over for repair the next day. And you can bake amazing bread at the simplest one.

I'd like to join your discussion, but it's too early ... the stove only appeared yesterday. Panasonic. Hope it will last a long time.

Here I am too.
I have a Panasonic 255 in only 3 weeks, 7 loaves and 3 doughs. All is well.
I fell in love with this business, but it's too early for me to vote?

[My Moulinex 5002 Bread Maker has already been repaired 2 times.]

My Moulinex 5002 Bread Maker has already been repaired 2 times.
The first time was a marriage in a bucket, it flew. And now the motor has burned out. In total, I use less than a year (I subtract time in the service).
If I would choose now, then probably Mula would not have chosen. Although I learned how to make bread on it, having switched to Delongy, I did not adapt to achieve the same result - it's like learning to walk again.

And my Moulinex 5002 broke down on the 2nd day, so where does that go? But Panasonic originally wanted to buy ...

Good afternoon, gentlemen, bakers. I have been reading the site for a long time, but I have just joined you. I have had LG for 9 years, never broke

and I have an OPTIMUM oven for a year already, and I don't know how to do anything other than ordinary and French bread, but the oven is good, the dough for pancakes and pies is wonderful, and the rolls are also super !!!