Grater Burner (1)

Well, firstly, the crisis in Samara, and you are in the capital, and secondly, there was just some kind of VIP there (metal?), but buying a whole set instead of one frame for 500r is 6 times more expensive just to have a stew with me it was not cubes, but parallelepipeds .. it seemed to me .. well, in general, it didn't seem to me

I explain: I am not even aware of the price of it. The old set will go to the country. The new one will live in a house in the kitchen. Since the frame was broken the other day, I became interested in this float between good and very good deeds. So it seems to you that something is there or does not seem to you, you will decide somehow, madam from "Pokrovskie gates" I learned the prices separately for the frame from you, for which thanks. You shouldn't think that our counters are bursting here. Sometimes you come for something, even call the store in advance, specify, say that you will arrive in an hour. And when you arrive, the manager says: "Oh, oh, you mustn't. Apparently I looked in the wrong place (variations" old base "" crooked hands "crooked ears") The larger the cabinet, the louder it falls.

And tell me, please, I looked at these graters on the Internet, but there is a range of prices from 1200 - 4000 rubles, everything seems to be the same, but how do they differ?

I decided, it does not seem like a successful acquisition, for me, of course, I explain why: the margin of safety of the orange plastic is definitely enough for my life, and there is no one to leave a legacy, and even easier plastic, I think that for my delicate handles an important circumstance

PS: I honestly don't remember about the lady from the gate, I hope you didn't want to offend me?

My frame has served me 19 years. Long term for plastic, I agree. I didn’t expect it to last that long. And he would have served longer - strong man's hands were preparing dinner for his wife. And they prepared a surpryz - "Darling, what graters would you like to have if this one broke a little. Shouldn't we take these sooooo useful graters to the dacha?"
We know what to press and not to - the knives are very sharp. Just drive with the fruit holder and that's it. The film "Pokrovskie Vorota" is a classic, if you watch it, do not spare time, you will understand many remarks, the film is literally spelled out by people. This will allow you to be in the subject, to understand many phrases.

I have already said many times and will repeat again: cubes on VIP do not work! Diamonds, that's right. They are cut at only one thickness - 1. At 2 they are no longer obtained. Therefore, if we cut with an insert of 3.5 mm, it is still possible to talk about cubes somehow, but if we cut 7 mm, there will be flat rhombuses.
And take a closer look at VIP-10: all inserts are plastic, only the frame is metal. And worth it - wow.

Freken Bock, we know and even agree to them

No previous vegetable cutter in the world has cut cubes “in one motion”. Well, here we flatter ourselves a little - and we have not cubes, but parallelepipeds. Although, what difference does it make to you how unequal "cube" floats in your soup? The inserts 7mm and 3.5mm now have 2 positions and in one of them we will get all the same perfectly even bars 3.5 by 3.5 (or 7 by 7), and in another position we will get "cubes" (not equilateral , true, but the word parallelepiped to pronounce when you cut a carrot is also somehow not tasty). So our non-sided "cubes" will be 3.5mm by 2mm and 7mm by 3.5mm.

I have already made a choice - VIP 4. Let the diamonds. Let the cubes be small. Let it be plastic. I don’t mind. I’m thinking that when the prices are announced, I’ll faint and I’ll have a Berner grater in my eyes, and both are VIPas for a change. I bought the "Classics" in my youth with the first money I earned ... Full-complete set ..I don't remember - it seems that everything together cost 15 rubles ...

I also have a VIP-4. I am absolutely satisfied. But I am for the truth. And by the method described by Dachnitsa, nothing prevents cutting cubes on VIP-4.

Shurshun, of course I saw the film "Pokrovskie Vorota", under a happy coincidence (it is on TV, I am on TV) I will watch it again with pleasure, but I have no such desire to learn it by heart in order to be in the subject
the VIP that I saw cost about 3000 rubles.

Instead of going crazy trying to cut cubes on the Berner, I advise you to buy both Berner and Nyser-Dyser. Berner on a regular insert with large rings and Nyser-Diser on a small insert cut amazing, perfectly even, small cubes. Just right for salads, you can't cut it with your hands! I suffered for so long, studying how Berner can cut cubes, I even wanted to buy Vip-4 instead of Trend, but I just had to get Niser. Now my vinaigrettes and Olivier bowls are not displayed.
And about VIP-4 I met reviews that the teeth fall out, and often. I haven't heard anything like that about Trend, so I bought the whole set. I use all the attachments, I have not yet found any useless. There is only a combichipser and combislicer, I can't say anything about them.

thank you all for your help. the trick is that I need to cut raw into cubes))) That's why I have so many questions)
With salads, cubes are not a problem, but raw ... potatoes, for example ..

[Shurshun]

Shurshun, so raw is even BETTER and EASIER !!! Here was the question with boiled - no matter how crumbling the potatoes, and raw just goes with a bang! Today I stuffed a frying pan of potatoes for frying with neiser in just a minute, if not less. Virtually no effort, provided that the potato is not a tree at all. And if there is a tree - well, you have to push hard, all the same it will cut through with a bang!
And Berner cuts raw well, again if not wood.

Wooden potatoes are strong. But thanks for saying about the niceser - many are indignant that the device is flimsy. As soon as I use the vip parallelepipeds, I will definitely show the photo. Who knows, maybe really Nice is a way out for my "cubic love" soul

Today I have a Dyser! I'll post a photo on Sunday. And she did nothing extreme. A healthy onion was divided into eight parts. After the fourth, I cut with a knife.
In short, I was not impressed (against the 15-year work of Berner).

Today I have a Dyser! I'll post a photo on Sunday. And she did nothing extreme. A healthy onion was divided into eight parts. After the fourth, I cut with a knife.
In short, I was not impressed (against the 15-year work of Berner).

What exactly was covered?

On a coarse grater, two blades came out of the grooves ... They just went up a level, slightly turned. I won't post the photo, my husband inserts them. I clearly explained, if not, I will draw in AutoCAD ...

[Freken Bock]

And all the same, it is necessary to make a note that the nicer of CHINESE production was covered, and not the original one. Before buying, I came to the forum for advice, and I bought it at an expensive price in a TV shop. Chinese nicers on the Internet cost about 900 rubles, at Tillotama it is even cheaper, and TV-shop - 1600. Thank you Freken Bock, which at one time made me buy an expensive Nice! It is of very good quality, no flimsy, everything is made soundly, it looks even better than Berner. Plastic and glasses are very dense. Cuts everything with a bang.
And at Hairpins Chinese nyser, I think this is the problem. There are a lot of reviews on the internet that the Chinese Nicer is useless in quality.

[Freken Bock]

Freken Bock - two thanks and respect.
But for some reason I understood that both Tillotama and TVshop have Chinese NDs (by the way, I didn't take it from Tillotama). And somewhere (it seems, in bird cherry trees) ND is original. That is, if I took ND not in a joint venture, but in a TV shop, the result would be the same. It was necessary to take in Cheryomushki, but ... for me Cheryomushki and the geographical position Toothbrush - somewhere the same ...
That is, I believe that what goes through the joint venture and what is sold through TVshop are identical concepts.The original is neither there nor there.

But I don’t want the original ... Or I don’t want to yet ...

[Hairpin]

Hairpin, the Chinese made a niser based on the original sold in the TV shop. The fact that the original in the TV shop - I can give a tooth. I can smell Chinese goods a mile away without any expertise, I can distinguish between non-certified, certified and completely non-Chinese. The Chinese here live like smaller brothers, because we border on them, I know their methods of production like the back of my hand, so I can assure you that the TV shop is really original. Here, at Chinese flea markets, nicers and other dribbles are sold as a TV shop. By the way, I only recently found out about this, because I don't go to such places myself, and then I decided to brag to my friend about the goods in the joint venture. And why did you think so - that the goods are the same - I will write to you in a personal, explain what is what.

So, if a mile away, you can give links and receive recommendations on product certification I'm kidding, I just dream how great it would be

[Shurshun]

Shurshun

What? a piece of humor will not interfere with such a serious topic
Oh, clairvoyant goods Zubastik, Oh, pamagi we make the right decisions.

[Toothbrush]

Oh, clairvoyant goods Zubastik, Oh, pamagi we make the right decisions.

FROM Toothbrush more accurate, her hand is heavy. Saves what she can't get!

well, no need to spoil the joke. Hands are heavy, priests are heavy. We'll also impute fights without rules and score the shooter Who has a heavier rolling pin ...
Moreover, she herself understood the joke, that's how she giggles with emoticons. I know, WEB cameras will save us, it's easier, but we represent bukoffs and ricebts.
A question arose on the topic: who was a very lazy thread washing the tender in the dishwasher? Or silicone molds? Very interesting ...
P.S. I like to wash dishes, it's just that this issue has not been discussed yet

I forgot I forgot to write: I understand that he washes easily with a sponge. The question is who washed it in the MRP?

I threw the berner into the dishwasher several times, well, when it was all too lazy to have a suspicion that this hastened his death

On some forum I read that you need to wash only with cold water

The metal has a very high thermal conductivity. That is, the temperature difference is more harmful for it than for a material with a lower thermal conductivity. Frequent temperature changes accelerate the "aging of the metal". Aging is not only in people, but also in metal, concrete, etc. That is, Berner becomes dull when washing with cold water after 15 years, then with frequent changes (washing with hot water and in PM) this will happen earlier. No matter how good Berner is, he will end up dull in the end. The question is when ... My opinion.

That is, Berner becomes dull when washing with cold water after 15 years, then with frequent drops (washing with hot water and in the PM) this will happen earlier. No matter how good Berner is, he will end up dull in the end. The question is when ... My opinion.

Mine is already 18! Sharp as on the first day, although used almost daily. Well, the appearance, of course, leaves much to be desired. But well-deserved!

I always wash only with warm water under the tap. And, by the way, about the correct color - I bought it in 1991 in Paris, and then there were only orange ones.

[Can any of the grater modifications be dishwasher safe? This is especially interesting about the metal vip model]

The question is who washed it in the MRP?

Shurshun, the people were already interested in this at 🔗 ( 🔗)

Can any of the grater modifications be dishwasher safe? This is especially interesting about the metal vip model
Good day! As you know from the school physics course, when heated, plastic and metal have different degrees of expansion. If the water temperature is 40, it doesn't matter. In dishwashers, it is usually much higher and this can lead to defects in the joints between metal and plastic.
--- Best regards, Burner CIS.

from personal observations (about a berner, not a protender, which is in a completely different topic) - washing in the PMM did not add dullness to the blades, but the plastic fell, the same happens with any hard plastic - Tefal trays from a steamer, too, I look in places to crack steel

Tell me please. There is a question of choosing between a Boch slicer and a Berner vip 4 grater. As far as I understand, you can also cut into cubes on a slicer. In any case, I met mentions of this, including on the forum. I figured out with cubes for VIP 4, but how does it look in a slicer? The difference in price is 300 rubles. The slicer is foldable, you can safely leave it on the table, it is safe. The only question is cubes. Help make a choice

There is a question of choosing between a Boch slicer and a Berner VIP 4 grater.

Please specify the model of the Boch slicer.
I searched the Internet, but only electric ones come across ...

If so, then for me Berner is better. I have had it since 1994 (model CLASSIC) ...

I saw the VIP model only in the picture, but, in my opinion, cutting into cubes in this model is nothing more than a publicity stunt.
It is much more technologically advanced to obtain cubes as recommended in the description for the CLASSIC and TREND models.

cubes: chop the fruit on the holder and make in the product
several cuts perpendicular to the arrows of the holder, then
cut the product in the usual way (see figure).

in my opinion, dicing in this model is nothing more than a publicity stunt.
It is much more technologically advanced to obtain cubes as recommended in the description for the CLASSIC and TREND models.

Who is advertising, and who is using it in full

Who is advertising, and who is using it in full

How deceiving the description is sometimes ...
A rare case when it is written worse than it really is.

How can you choose between a grater and a slicer? You don't choose what to buy - a kettle or a microwave? These are two different devices. And, personally, in my opinion, you will not get cubes either there or there. As the owner of both, I am telling you this, nonsense, not cubes. Cubes are only Nayser-Diser (not Chinese) combined with Berner. The slicer is good for cutting cabbage, cheese, sausage, bread. Berner - for cutting vegetables of various sizes into salads, except for cubes. Nayser - for lettuce cubes and cubes. I advise you to take all three devices, I personally use everything all the time. If there is no money, then it is better to buy a Berner first (moreover, VIP-4 is most criticized due to the regular loss of teeth, there are no complaints about the Trend and the Classics, the Trend is more convenient to use), then save up for Niser and, last of all, buy a slicer.

And about the cubes, not Berner - you still have to learn how to cut them, it's not so easy, and it's not cubes there at all, but ugly parallelepipeds.

And about the cubes, not Berner - so you still need to learn how to cut them, it's not so easy, and it's not cubes there at all, but ugly parallelepipids.

And you do not care, a parallelepiped in a stew, for example, or a cube, so, I never thought that this was a problem.

[AleksAleks]

AleksAleks Yes, the slicer meant electric.
As for VIP-4, I saw the video. Everything is clear and accessible, the size of the cubes is clear, the cutting scheme is also clear. But cheese, sausage, bread cannot be cut with a grater. This is already a slicer. Therefore, I wanted to clarify that someone knows how to cut cubes with it so as not to buy two devices. But maybe I'm really wrong and it's easier to buy both?
Zubastik Nayser will be lying around with me, because to get cubes there, you must first cut into slices, and the onion into halves or quarters. It's superb.

[spit]

It is possible to cut cubes with a slicer, but it is very difficult, even more difficult than on the Berner. Much easier with your hands.
Nayser will not be lying around, especially if you already have a Berner. I have a bowl of the most beautiful small vinaigrette made in an hour, along with cooking vegetables and pre-cleaning them with a brush before washing. I boil vegetables, peel them, quickly trim them on Berner with plastics and then immediately to Niser. The maximum width of plastic in Berner is equal to the small lattice in Nyser, ideal beautiful cubes are obtained, which are not only pleasant, but also look beautiful and serve on the table is not a shame.
spit, but how do you imagine dicing on Berner and Slicer in one motion? No matter how many reviews I read, no matter how much I tried, it was a complete mess. And making preliminary cuts as indicated above in the instructions for the Classic and Trend is also inconvenient. So there are even more problems than in Nyser.
Celestine, in a stew is absolutely all the same. I never make stews in small cubes, I need a size that neither a grater nor a Niser will cut. But in the vinaigrette and Olivier Not all the same, the sensations are different from the olivier haphazardly planed and perfect small cubes, just a little smaller than green peas in size. And it is almost impossible to cut the potatoes boiled into cubes by Berner, so as not to mash them.

I also forgot about the potatoes for frying! A whole frying pan in just a minute! Though in large blocks, even small, you can NEVER cut it with your hands!
Now I have potatoes in three different cuts - on the Berner on the 3.5 mm insert. it turns out like noodles, fries very quickly. it turns out unusual and tasty. I spied on this from the Chinese, they only fry potatoes like this, almost noodles.
Potatoes in 6 mm cubes. and 11 mm. on Niser. 6 mm. fry in a skillet, and 11 mm. in a slow cooker.
All types of cuts look sooooo aesthetically pleasing and turn out to be completely different in taste !!!

I read everything from beginning to end, but I didn’t understand. Please answer unequivocally - "yes" or "no". Is it possible to cut cubes in one motion in the new version of the Borner VIP-4 grater or not? Thank you in advance!

Yes I know. I have such a grater. I bought it 15 years ago. I still use it. Now is the time to replace her. So I would like to "with cubes" - an old dream.

Diced by one of the Ariete vegetable cutter models. Here on the forum they wrote about her somewhere, use the search.

The problem is that positive feedback about Ariete is almost the only one on this forum. As I read it, I went through the entire Internet, so I was on fire to buy. I didn't find anything particularly positive, people mostly scolded the device.

I already have a callus on my tongue.
What is the problem to buy Nayser from the teleshop (and only there) and Berner? Here you will have one-to-one cubes without any problems!

[Zubastik]

Zubastik, I looked at the Niser design ... I am missing something ...

After all, to get a cube "at a time" the product must be cut in three planes. Nayser, in fact, only pushes the product through a shaped device - a knife with square cells. So, in order to have a cube, you need to push the product cut in layers (horizontally). Moreover, the thickness of the layers should be equal to the side of the square of the knife (if we want a perfect cube). And this is preparatory work again, as in Borner.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Probably not a single grater does a cube, especially in one movement. Nayser (I haven't, I saw an advertisement) to get a cube, you first need to cut the product into plates. I'm also wondering what to buy? Rather, I don't really think too much, I'm just getting used to the price of the grater (I want it).

[tatulja12]

tatulja12, take Borner. A great thing, multifunctional and convenient. I have been using it myself for a very long time. An additional "plus" is that you can first buy a basic kit, and then buy additional attachments.

[Zubastik]

Zubastik, I looked at the Niser design ... I am missing something ...

After all, to get a cube "at a time" the product must be cut in three planes. Nayser, in fact, only pushes the product through a shaped device - a knife with square cells. So, in order to have a cube, you need to push the product cut in layers (horizontally). Moreover, the thickness of the layers should be equal to the side of the square of the knife (if we want a perfect cube). And this is preparatory work again, as in Borner.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

So I say - for fast dice, you need to have a Berner in a set with a Niser, that is, two devices at the same time!
We go here by the link look at pictures of Tillotama
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The principle must be clear. Only I did not understand on what grid she cut such cubes. My Nyser's cubes are like green peas a little smaller (6mm. Edge) or larger (11mm. Edge).
And cubes in one movement are only in advertising fairy tales.
But the cubes are one to one, more beautiful than in the pictures, the salads look just perfect! How will I do I can take a picture if interested.