Dishwasher selection (2)

I don’t rinse the dishes, I don’t have anything to do with water and electricity,

sometimes you have to get up at night and open the door after washing.

I see everyone has nothing to do in their own way.)))

I don't get up from the bowls at night. They dry out just fine on a towel.

[Scarecrow]

Scarecrow,

Bosch-Siemens, Atlant and others. They said that there are problems with repairs, there are often problems with the pump.

In Boch, but in the garbage, the entire water block is changing, I have not heard this about AEG, there is something wrong

I have never been an engineer, for which I bought, for which I sell. And in Mvideo I was not recommended AEG.

And in Mvideo I was not recommended AEG.

It's strange, of course .. but the only thing that comes to my mind is that it is not recommended because of the expensive renovation, but it is really expensive.

He is dear to everyone. I wrote that 15 thousand were requested for replacing the heating element on my Siemens.
We bought an item for 5 thousand and the husband changed it himself.

I don't have either function, so both are optional. But it would probably be more convenient with them. If the absence of traces of drops on the dishes is more important to you, then opening. If the dishes get dirty a little and, perhaps, you will not start the machine every day, then rinsing is more necessary.

I would pay attention to the relevance of the regime in which you can wash dishes at 70 degrees.
About door opening. I wouldn't risk the countertop.

Oh oh oh! And I thought I’ll ask you quickly, I’ll find out everything and today I’ll order! (naive!)

With the greatest gratitude to all who responded !!! What would I do without our beloved HP !!!

I went to study everything anew: I won't take it without rinsing, but I also want the "door" ...

Well, I also want a "door" ...

What's the point, because of the plastic bowls? So how many you use them there, and the countertop will end pretty quickly.

So and not plastic dishes, if you do not immediately open and unload, remains dry?

[Natasha]

Natasha, I have a turbo dryer - the dishes are absolutely dry, there is still nothing to do at night to open to get up, I can only remember by lunchtime that you need to unload - everything is absolutely dry.

So, and in those models that I watched condensation is called, then how? Chot I'm already completely confused ... Or do the dishes not fog up with the door closed with all the drying?

[bnb]

bnb, Natasha, the dishes will not fog up when the door is closed. It's just that water droplets remain on plastic dishes and some non-stick coatings. This does not make other dishes damp.

[Svetlana]

Svetlana, thanks, at least I figured it out ...



We must also ask Schochelka ...
Scarecrow, Nata, enlighten, you "exchanged" Miele for Electrolux, (if I'm confusing, correct it), but still tell me why you still have Electrolux?
(Because at the very beginning of the "search" I chose him, and then even "went further" ...)
Where can I run now

[bnb]

bnb,

Because Mile with bells and whistles is a different price tag. She is more expensive than her sisters of the same class. So far, I decided that the PMM is quite a consumable material that I use both in the tail and in the mane. I don't need it for decades (something cooler will come out, maybe some breakthrough will happen in this area, etc.), and I gave so much for the PMM that the toad will strangle it to change. They live with me on average 5 years of very intensive exploitation (Ariston lived 4, Mila almost 7). Now, for example, the almost constantly used mode is 70 degrees.So I decided to choose something good enough, but not mega-top (both in terms of the model and in terms of Brand). So that it is not very sorry for all the reasons (it will break down, become obsolete, etc.). My main complaints about the PMM are the rinsing mode, some kind of normal regular daily wash and a very hot sink, the ability to connect to hot water (the electrician is saved to heat the water and rinsing is also done with warm water, and not with icy oily water). I don't use half loads, or some separate modes for glass and all that. I have been washing everything in a row for 15 years and in all machines in the main mode)). I don't even use the pill mode - I don't need it because of the hardness of the water (this is also written in the instructions - do not turn it on with such hardness). I usually set up all the dryers / washers once - and mine for months. I can plug some chandelier there once a year and wash the glass on the mode)). I love to see how much is left to the end. On Mile there was a display, on Ariston too, Electrolux projects onto the floor. Somehow I periodically cast a glance and estimate - "15 minutes left, I'll take it out, shove everything and then I'll free the sink," for example. Something like this..

The stereotype also worked - I now have all the appliances in the Electrolux kitchen. Everything was Ariston. Then the PMM died and only she was replaced, everything else was still Ariston. Then the whole kitchen was changed.

And so Mile is a great car, I liked it the most. When a tryndet comes to Electrolux, I’ll think we can come back to Mila if the toad does not strangle her. I just pray to Mila's washing machine)).

[Scarecrow]

Oh, Scarecrow, that's why I love you ... No, Nata, I just love you !!!

I don’t rinse the dishes, I don’t have anything to do with water and electricity,

Just about I thought so before, why rinse the dishes? But one fine moment my dear PMM Mila broke down, she was only 5 years old and had to pay 170 euros for the repair. It turned out that one part was out of order due to a large layer of fat that had accumulated there and had to be replaced with a new one. And in general, when the PMM master disassembled, everything was in fat below. Now after repairs, I always rinse the dishes under the tap and then put them in the dishwasher. Because no savings are obtained, then you can fly into repairs.

I finally bought and tried Fairy capsules.
Delight! I have never had such sparkling clean dishes! (I tried a bunch of tablets and powders from other manufacturers).
The tablet itself is so cool, you get aesthetic pleasure from the process of getting it out of the package - on the one hand, there are powders, on the other, a cell with a liquid - yellow, green, blue. I suspect it's salt and rinse aid.
The only negative is the smell from the dishes. Silicone in general absorbed this smell to the impossibility, the soup could not be poured with a silicone ladle.
But for the sake of such a washing result, I am ready to put up with such an unbearable aroma from the dishes! An additional rinse cycle will probably help, but I don't have it in my car ...

one part failed due to a large layer of fat accumulated there and had to be replaced with a new one

This is due to the saving of detergent powder, and not at all because you did not rinse the dishes.
Do the instructions say what to wash or rinse? There is no such thing. And why do I need a dishwasher, if I put my hands in the water and start rinsing the dishes, I’ve already washed it by 50%, dripped the faerie rubbed it with a sponge and washed off the curtain!

[Ludmila]

Ludmila,

We also rinse in the dishwasher. It was about something else.

My car (Siemens) is 5 years old, when my husband repaired this year, they pulled it out and dismantled it. There was no fat anywhere. Clean. Only the snail became all red from our water.
I don’t rinse the dishes beforehand.

[Wiki]

Wiki,

And I. Everything is only in the PMM. I'm too lazy to talk about it in the sink)). I have not encountered any fat in any car. It seems like I read that it is necessary to periodically run a very hot program and better with lemon - the fat is washed off.

I periodically rinse the machine with a special tool for cleaning the machine, and I get old on a quick wash, if only glasses, glasses, glasses, that is, dishes without fat.
I think that fat settles when washing with gentle agents (bio) and on short or again gentle programs.

Or when greasy dishes are washed off without anything at all in the Rinse program. That "did not stink". )) By moving the fat from the dishes to the typewriter.

I think that fat settles when washing with gentle agents (bio) and on short or again gentle programs.

Precisely my bio-tablets Froggy and on the eco-program, though it is 3 hours long, but I think the water temperature is low there.
Now I began to use the automatic program, the master advised so. But I still use bio-tablets, I do not like the chemical smell on the washed dishes.

I don't like the chemical smell on washed dishes

I think no one loves him
Since I began to do rinsing with detergent, I put half a tablet or less powder in it.

Do you think eco-friendly dishwasher detergents are bad? It seems that the dishes are normally washed, even dried ones.

that eco-friendly dishwasher detergents are bad?

They are more expensive, yes. In any case, we have. Bad / good - I don't really like it. Maybe because of the water. Everyone has different preferences.

even dried

I do not bring to this, I rinse immediately

[It is difficult to wash these eggs even with a sponge,]

turn on rinsing
It's strange, for some reason this function / operation does not help me ...

Me too) It is difficult to wash these eggs even with a sponge, at least - from the brown transparent glassware Luminark. It immediately sticks and it is difficult to wash it in the PMM (it is not washed off) and with a sponge) I still sometimes do this in the microwave: I heat up buckwheat and pour it into an egg, about 3 minutes. Well, scrambled eggs stick very strongly, like glue, it's hard to even wash off with a sponge!

I also think that before the PMM, you need to rinse the dishes in the sink under a tap of warm or hot water, a lot of small food residues are washed off: single rice, buckwheat ... Why clog the filter in the PMM with cereal ?!

And it is enough to wash such dishes with 10 ml of powder (Finish, for example) or with a teaspoon of powder, if the PMM is completely filled with just such dishes (without greasy pots, etc.).

I rub the rims of the pots with a sponge without Feri, etc., lightly rubbing the rims of the pans, the bottom of the pans and the rims of them, and then I put all this greasy in the PMM. Enough pills or powder 25 ml.

Almost "clean" dishes after soup, for example, you can not rinse them under the tap, but immediately put them in the PMM and turn on the rinsing mode (15 minutes) there separately or immediately wash them on the selected program (with or without rinsing). But, an important condition: if it is "just dirty", without grains, food particles. A separate rinsing mode is needed if you have eaten in the morning, you have a couple of plates, glasses, spoons, and you plan to turn on the machine for washing only in the evening or on the next. day. And you don't want the smell of food from the PMM, like from a garbage can and plates dripping with soup in a typewriter.

It happens that the plates were on the table, where else - everything dries up, this thin layer of soup or maonnaise or whatever was fatty there. You can not rinse it in the sink !!! If everything is stuck to such a plate without food leftovers in the form of single grains, the vermicelli - PMM will wash it off, because the plates are not deep. Deep bowls must be placed correctly - then both the rims and the dried ones will wash everything off. They are not pans.

I always rinse the dishes under the tap and then put them in the dishwasher.

From fat on PMM parts - you just need periodically clean the PMM with special means - they are from fat and from lime, scale, calcium and what else. And also use capsules, Finish and Feri tablets with anti-fat. You probably used something without phosphate, or how and what? Many people still only use Finish powder or another firm use powder, but it is absolutely necessary to use tablets, capsules, and powerful anti-fat gel for greasy dishes at least once a week or two. Feri good such anti-fat tablets for washing dishes in PMM, Finish. That is, capsules with liquid multi-colored contents at Feri.

rubbed with a sponge and washed off, curtain!

No, a person cannot wash any dishes with his hands like a MACHINE. It is necessary to wash the plate and trim both the side and everywhere, everywhere. Spoons, forks, so generally with a white coating, remain in the place where they need to be kept. At least three. Either lime in tap water, or something. And in the PMM, these cutlery is washed as if it had just come from the store. So are the plates. You can compare the washed dishes with your hands and in the PMM: they are all shiny, but washed with your hands - they are stained like plates around the edges, white and not white all the more.

What a "curtain" - you need to wash each plate with your hands for about 15 minutes, and it is generally useless to wash the spoons-forks with your hands - they will be dirty, disgusting, with dried sticky soot (dadada !!!) or white bloom in the places of holding (if there is even more a picture , engraved on metal, or in a stainless steel sample, a brand of cutlery (behind) everything gets stuck in them), and the forks cannot be washed between the teeth, over time all the dirt accumulates there! Plus, wiping the dishes by hand with towels - this is a long torment + fluff from rags on the dishes! Drying of dishes is in progress at PMM! And you cannot leave the dishes wet - bacteria multiply on it - Fu Fu Fu

In PMM, there are still forks and spoons from Soviet times, which people washed by hands for years and considered clean - they are washed with Finish to the store condition, as they were back in the 70s of the last century!)

That is, do not equate washing dishes with your hands and washing the same dishes with a dishwasher under no circumstances! Heaven and earth!

p. from. And in general - all people have different requirements for cleanliness, accuracy, well, let everyone do what he sees fit)

Straight news after news
I repeat once again: I DO NOT rinse the dishes before the dishwasher by hand, I wash them with ANY powder that I buy. Disassembled last year a car, which is FIVE years old, almost to the screw, there is NO fat or deposits ANYWHERE.
My filter is regular, but more for order, because I have never seen anything on it either.
And when once a quarter, when once every six months I wash it with special means.
It seems to me that after using special equipment, the machine washes dishes better and dries better.

And before the start of the program, I drip a couple of drops of ordinary fairies into the car.

Wouldn't this procedure hurt the PMM's insides, wouldn't it corrode there, after all, the composition of the same Fairy for brook. washing dishes other than the composition of detergents for PMM? But the idea is very tempting ...

You can just as well pour half a teaspoon of Finish powder into the compartment during the 15 min program. - rinsing or on the program 30 min. dishwashing? That is, use the 30-minute washing program as a rinse, in the case of putting dishes in there instead of the sink in the morning - for future washing on a specific night or in the evening at the end of the day?

[Wiki]

Wiki, I don't understand what's what? Did you miss something?
Svetlana7, and what is your speech in general? Sorry, I really didn't understand

I was not recommended

The only time known to me when my neighbor was not recommended to buy a washing machine in a store, although I note that a washing machine of a specific well-known solid brand, I note, had already been ordered from them, was caused by the fact that their chosen model came incomplete with some of the hoses. Naturally, this was not explained to the neighbor. It's just that an acquaintance worked for a neighbor in that store - in the evening he revealed the "secret" of that non-recommendation.

From the fat on the PMM parts - you just need to periodically clean the PMM with special means - from fat they and from lime, scale, calcium and what else.

In principle, enough detergent is enough, because we wash all of this from our dishes. Another thing is that you need to follow the washing regimes. For example, it is useless to try to wash off fat with cold water ... But some advocates of "green programs" forget about it ...

I also think that before the PMM, you need to rinse the dishes in the sink under a tap of warm or hot water, a lot of small food residues are washed off: single rice, buckwheat ... Why clog the filter in the PMM with cereal ?!

all this is easier to sweep into the trash can with any piece of cardboard, silicone spatula, napkin or even an ordinary spoon.

I have a piano in my room

Maybe put a refrigerator instead of it, and instead of a refrigerator in the corridor - a washing machine, and instead of a washing machine in the kitchen - a dishwasher?

In principle, a detergent is sufficient,

Here they wrote even higher that when using powder in PMM, you need not spare it) Probably, sometimes you need to pour more than 25 g into the compartment.

all this is easier to brush into the trash bin with any piece of cardboard, silicone spatula, napkin or even a regular spoon.

I just thought: maybe we rinse the dishes in the sink before the PMM just because putting it in the sink from the table is faster than sitting and cleaning every plate of grains before putting it in the PMM? Well, out of habit, we do this - from the table to the sink, and already there, THEN - we wash it off in bulk.

But how can I imagine that the filter in the PMM will be the same clogged as in the sink after washing the dishes - a grid-mesh, all clogged with these rice vermicelli-buckwheat - I think. yes well nafik)))

But judge for yourself: from the table to the sink it is faster to put all the dishes together without cleaning each plate separately than from the table in the PMM - cleaning each one? ... Especially in the morning when you are in a hurry to get to work? And then, when the time appears, you take it, turn on the tap, wash off what is, you already look from all sides of the plates and - in the PMM. Then, from the grid-lattice in the sink, you throw the whole byaka into a bucket.

you need not feel sorry for him)

powder should be poured as much as is really needed, no more, no less.

how to sit and clean each plate of grains

maybe just reduce the portions to an adequate size so that everything is eaten and it is not necessary to collect the scattered grains?

judge for yourself

why so many body movements? and what prevents to have "one-time" trash bins at hand "in place"?

[Thank you)]

why so many body movements?

Need to try rationalization) Thank you) And about the portions - right) shouldn't grains of buckwheat remain? Although, there will be one or two left - will someone really fish it all over the plate? Or with a fork, for example, is it hard to catch something out of the plate with butter or mayose? A piece of 1.5 mm, for example, a crab stick from a salad, or rice from a pilaf? And for a dishwasher filter, even one or two buckwheat is no longer ice. Always after the same pilaf, rice remains in the plate. And in the sink, after the dishes put there, after rinsing, the entire grid-lattice is constantly stuffed with buckwheat or rice to the top over the edge. Well, to clean each plate of one-two buckwheat or a piece of beetroot - well ... I can't imagine that. It will all stick to what you clean: whether with a spatula or a spoon. Paper towels are common in the kitchen, but we save. You don't buy, but they spend quickly - you use them back and forth. Tap water is cheaper for me than paper towels.

But I thought, thanks!

by the morning and everything was soaked, because after rinsing, the drying does not turn on and the dishes stand in drops in a closed chamber.

And the dishwasher will not deteriorate from the fact that everything inside it with the door closed is worth it? It all seems to me that: either the rubber bands will fall off, then something inside will rust)

And I agree with you that rinsing for 15 minutes. - the function is necessary, like the 30 min program, but opening the door automatically is not. But even leaving the PMM closed at night, wet inside is scary)

that before the PMM, you need to rinse the dishes in the sink under a tap of warm or hot water, a lot of small food residues are washed off: single rice, buckwheat ...

And I think that it is not necessary, and the manufacturer also thinks so.The instructions say exactly that, to clean from large food debris, about rice and cleaning with special means once every two weeks, the instructions are definitely not. It's easier to brush everything into a bucket than pouring water is not measured. Especially if this water is not cheap and is drained into a septic tank. And a machine, well, for the same it is a machine to work. For 6 years with the budgetary Zanussi with this approach, nothing happened, so the point is in unnecessary body movements

And I like the way Sveta thinks.
I always rinse the dishes before loading them into the machine, if necessary, soak the dried-on water a little with hot water - it's not at all difficult, 5-10 minutes.
But you can be calm about the dishwasher and the quality of the sink at the exit.

[Lenusya]

I always rinse the dishes before loading them into the machine, if necessary, soak the dried-on water a little with hot water - it's not at all difficult, 5-10 minutes.

Lenusya, as I understand it, you simply do not have a problem of saving water, I personally have no sense in rinsing and soaking, it's easier to wash with your hands and then. Hmmm, that's why they bought it in order to save water and reduce the amount discharged into the septic tank, well, to protect the skin of the hands at the same time

[Tina]

Tina, and what do you do with dried-up?
For example, the same egg, a mug of kefir, a saucepan after boiling the broth, containers from the dough, plates with dried food.

[Lenusya]

Lenusya, I try to put everything in pmm right away. Mugs, pots, a frying pan from eggs and casseroles are washed well for me, like dried buckwheat or semolina. I let the dough dry in a bowl, then I just shake it out in the trash, it happens that I put it in the PMM right away, everything is washed

everything is washed

At what temperature?

[Lenusya]

Lenusya, on a standard sink I have 65C, if very greasy or dirty dishes, then I turn it on by 70, but in 6 years maybe I turned it on 10 times

I always wash at 45 - a short cycle of 30 minutes.
At 65 hours 3 she will be there. No, it's easier for me to rinse and soak. I'm so used to it.

At 65 hours 3 she will be there.

I have either 1.5, or 2 hours, the consumption is 12 liters. water, rinsing I will pour out the same amount, if not more.

I'm so used to it.

Well, yes, of course, here is already a matter of habit and comfort, to each his own

Well, yes, of course, here is already a matter of habit and comfort, to each his own

Agree.

I found an interesting video about Auto mode. How does it work and why the washing time on it is not the same every time, like the temperature.

Hmm, I never used a rinse program. You need to experience chtoli at least once
I don’t collect the dishes for a couple of days. If I have already begun to fill in the PMM, then at night I put on a wash with half a tablet.

And I only use Faerie capsules, and they contain liquid. Therefore, it is simply impossible to put a sink with half a tablet. If there is not enough for the second wash per day (I have 1.5-2 times a day), then after rinsing in the evening (on the rinsing program) with a drop of liquid faerie for washing dishes, I just leave the dishes in the car until morning (without opening). There, nothing entraps and does not dry out (in a sealed wet chamber, on the contrary, it soaks everything that is possible). In the morning after breakfast we load and run.