Dishwasher selection (2)

[Mona1]

Mona1, Tanya, a cooking gas, 4 burners, Ardo, bought just on the eve of their leaving the market. Stainless steel panel with a large turbo burner, which we use constantly. It seems that the husband was not fat there, but he calculated everything in order to make them beautiful friends. But of course it turned out a little higher than the standard, I can measure the height tomorrow if interested. Recently they were filming to repair the auto-ignition, no changes inside from such a neighborhood happened. So it's quite a real neighborhood.

[Tochechka]

Tochechka, Natasha, thanks, I will think. If I move the cooker to the right, under the section of the horizontal gas pipe, then there will be no need to combine the dishwasher and the cooker. And I’m tuning in to this option, but if anything, then you’ll measure me in detail, then I’ll ask you the nuances in PM. Just write - you have a built-in dishwasher or freestanding, but with a removable lid for stuffing under the countertop.

[Mona1]

Mona1, Tan, OK! let everything work out in the best possible way with any option.And my dishwasher is built-in, the height of the tabletop is 90 cm.

Girls, and another question. Can I wash cast iron racks from the hob in the dishwasher? I read that they wash Soviet cast iron, but the current one is probably not worth it. I'm just choosing a brewhouse. Can I take it right away with a steel grate, can it be washed?

[Mona1]

Mona1, Tanya, I washed 10 times for sure. It feels good.

Girls, and another question. Can I wash cast iron racks from the hob in the dishwasher? I read that they wash Soviet cast iron, but the current one is probably not worth it. I'm just choosing a brewhouse. Can I take it right away with a steel grate, can it be washed?

I had a Bosch built-in dishwasher under the Ariston stainless steel cooktop, though not completely, but half, that is, under two burners. No problem.
My grates regularly for several years, at high temperatures, I just dreamed of when I could put them in the dishwasher. Dishwasher 60cm, put in the lower basket directly on top of the dishes.

And I wash. By the way, steel enameled? They often burn in the flame zone and therefore rust well in those places.

In my cooking, the cast iron is kind of ... rustproof, as if covered with something. For many years from the dishwasher, if I saw a rusty speck, then a small one and sometimes (while there is a lot of cast iron, the grates are very frequent). But below, in the area of ​​the lowest corner, rust appeared - there the escaped water sometimes stagnates and the grate clings to it.

Thank you, girls, I would also like cast iron, otherwise steel, covered with enamel - somehow unreliable, they will be stripped and burned.

[Mona1]

Mona1- Tanya, on my plate, which is 6 years old, the steel gratings covered with enamel did not peel off, did not burn, they were normally preserved.

[Taia]

Taia, Tom, do you wash them in the dishwasher and what brand are they?

[Mona1]

Mona1, Tan, I also wash the cast iron grates in the dishwasher from the very beginning and they are like new. But! Such grilles must be handled with extreme care. I got in trouble while wiping the surface of the stove, I could not hold one of the parts of the grate and it crashed to the floor ... and even though the kitchen floor, a wooden board covered with linoleum, this did not prevent the grate from splitting ... Then I read about cast iron that it is quite fragile and requires careful handling. I used to have enameled grilles, but even after such an occasion, I am in favor of cast iron.

[Mona1]

Mona1, Tanya, and I have cast iron, my only six months in PMM them, but in the intensive mode, and even with the function of hygiene +, because for 8 years they got dirty, to put it mildly, are washed slowly, rust does not seem to be visible.

and you wash them in the dishwasher and what brand are they?

I have a Bosch stove, my grates and so on only in the dishwasher.

Girls and I are already 6 years old happy owner of PM Bosch 45cm.

My family is large, so my assistant works sometimes 3-4 times a day. There is no limit to my joy and my husband's! Assistant with the largest letter.

BUT, as someone wrote above, any technique needs an approach. I regularly change the settings in autumn and spring, during the flood, because the water utility, it seems to me, adds more chemistry to the water and it becomes different. The dishes immediately become white with a coating.

My FILTER every 2-3 weeks. The mesh is very clogged. Especially coffee leftovers.

The instructions say that it is NOT NECESSARY to clean the dishes before loading! I only rinse my plates after semolina. It immediately clogs the filter and sticks to other dishes.

What can I say about GLASS. At first, I could not get enough of its cleanliness and shine, but after 4 years it sharply dimmed and many scratches became visible. I had to change everything. I read that over time, the destruction of the glass structure occurs due to chemistry and high temperature. It's a shame!

PM was invented for washing porcelain, but after a thin glass broke, I wash the porcelain by hand.

All glazed ceramics also do not tolerate PM well. Chips and cracks over time. Gilding is washed off slowly but surely.

My cast-iron grates and pans too. Everything is fine.

Special thanks for washing the cans during the preparation. I no longer rub them with baking soda or roast them in the oven.

For me, the best dishes for PM are just white - no streaks or scratches are visible. And always perfectly clean.

SCRATCHES? Dishes rub against holders and adjacent dishes. Look on YouTube videos of how the dishes are washed and you will see that it constantly rushes, this is the friction of the dishes against the dishes or holders.

We try to buy funds, preferably powder, at the stock price. They are stored for a long time.

The husband repaired it a couple of times. The drain did not work and the ten was burnt out. Ten is another story.
The dishwasher is peace and cleanliness in the house! This is the same miracle assistant as a washing machine and a vacuum cleaner.

[milvok]

milvok, I liked reading everything, thank you, my repairs are still underway, but soon, I think, I will also connect my beautiful PPMochka. And in spring during floods and in autumn during the rainy season, the water in the water supply system becomes softer for natural reasons. Snow and rain pour practically distilled water into our reservoirs, so it flows into our pipes softer. Although, of course, they may be there at this time and add something. How do you change the settings at this time?

So this spring I got this nasty white bloom I have Siemens 45
I cleaned the typewriter with a lemon, washed the dishes ..... 0 effect. I was very upset and already thought that my assistant was broken. I drove her out with a lemon one more time and reduced the hardness setting.
Thank God everything is fine again

Well, yes, the water became softer, you reduced the hardness and everything is fine. And now, I think, if you return the settings to their original place, it will be fine ... until the next flood or downpours.

Let's see
So far, ok, but if something happens, then I already know what to do

On the contrary, our water becomes harder. Solid cotton or other chemicals. even for the mouth when rinsing is unbearable. On the contrary, I add the salt level. Otherwise, a white coating, which cannot be washed off.
This once again convinces us that each car needs an individual approach.

Girls, a lot has already been discussed, but maybe someone will write something new ... Do you need a third shelf in the dishwasher, is it convenient to wash cutlery there? It is clear that you can do it, I had a PMM without it, but if there is a choice, take it with it or not? Thank you!

[annnushka27]

annnushka27, Anya, I have this basket. I use it.True, sometimes it seems that it takes a long time to fold and unfold, but then you can immediately separate forks, spoons ... Well, the place in the lower shelves is not occupied by a basket with devices.
I think you just have to decide for yourself whether it is necessary or not

[annnushka27]

annnushka27, Anya, I am very pleased with the third shelf. Already unsubscribed that there you can wash the lids and all the little things. Without the third shelf, I will definitely never take PMM.

[annnushka27]

annnushka27, really a very convenient and necessary basket. Any small and light part will not fall through the rods, will not turn over by the pressure of water and will not fly away in an unknown direction. I can't even imagine how to wash all sorts of small removable parts from devices, valves from multicooker, lids from cans and much more without it. I have this basket filled to capacity with every wash.

[annnushka27]

annnushka27, It is comfortable and necessary. But my child at the previous dishwasher managed to break the mount.
As always, plastic is in such places. A new one, through an oversight, was taken without a third shelf, at first it was straightforward.
Now I'm used to it.

Girls, I am doing repairs in the kitchen and thought about choosing a dishwasher. At first I wanted to be 45 because the children are still small and there are not many dishes yet. Then I decided to take more for growth, especially since the kitchen allows. I choose between Medea and Weissgau. In terms of functionality, as well as in price, only Medea has a maximum of 65 degrees, and 70 in Weissgau. It is clear that the Chinese Mr., but the Bosches have a completely different price tag. Who thinks about this?

[Love Yu]

Love Yu, I don't know where you live, just in case, I draw your attention to the fact that there is a recycling campaign in Mvideo, read it, it helps to drop the price well when buying Bosch equipment. (I'm changing the washing machine now, that's why I know).
About Midea household appliances good responses.
The main thing is that you are looking at wide cars correctly.
Good luck with your choice!

[Love Yu]

Love Yu, I don't know your material capabilities, but maybe you shouldn't go to extremes There are mid-price models, for example Hansa, I have 45cm Hansa for 10 years in the city has been working flawlessly, although it is narrow, but it fits so much that collecting dishes for several days to fill everything. Hansa is made in Europe, mine is made in Poland

[Love Yu]

Love Yu, I don't know where you live, just in case, I draw your attention to the fact that there is a recycling campaign in Mvideo, read it, it helps to drop the price well when buying Bosch equipment. (I'm changing the washing machine now, that's why I know).
About Midea household appliances good responses.
The main thing is that you are looking at wide cars correctly.
Good luck with your choice!

I am from Moscow. And about m Video I can say the following. Recently I was choosing a refrigerator. At first I chose Bosch there, but then I switched to lji precisely because I liked the gold one. I just fit the design of the kitchen. So I chose a model on the Internet for 40 thousand. On the day when it was brought to me, my aunt died, and I was in a hurry for the funeral (in short, there was no time for the refrigerator). When I arrived I saw that there was no handle, I began to understand and realized that this was a different model (but with freezer lighting) and it cost them 5 thousand more. And in m video the same model for 76 thousand. That is, compare 40 (even 45 thousand) and 76 thousand as they say, feel the difference .... With all their promotions, at least in Moscow, it is still cheaper on the Internet. For a long time I have been choosing a model from networkers and consulting, but I still buy on the Internet.

Love Yu, I don't know your material capabilities, but maybe you shouldn't go to extremes There are mid-price models, for example Hansa, I have 45cm Hansa for 10 years in the city has been working flawlessly, although it is narrow, but it fits so much that collecting dishes for several days to fill everything. Hansa is made in Europe, mine is made in Poland

Why immediately to the extreme? Medea, for example, is the largest factory that makes many famous brands of Ariston for example. This is not a bread maker where the difference in price of 5 or 10 thousand is not so significant, although by 2 times.And here 20 or 50 the difference is huge. And maybe when in 5 years she breaks down for 20 to buy for 20 too, but already newer, or now to buy for 50 and she will serve me for 10 years (which is also not a fact).

[Love Yu]

Love Yu, I also look closely at Midea, I want a full-size one with three shelves. I hope I will not be disappointed.

Most likely I'll take Medea too.

And maybe when in 5 years she breaks down for 20 to buy for 20 too, but already newer, or now buy for 50 and she will serve me 10 years (which is also not a fact)

Difficult to advise.
But .., in an expensive model, a small cheap part may break, because it is a consumable .., you will replace it and will use it again with pleasure. But cheap cars are already immediately sharpened for recycling ... because they practically do not have spare parts for sale. You decide.

My sister has had a little medea since the fall - everything is fine.

[annnushka27]

annnushka27, Anya, Love Yu,
Midea Chinese brand. This company has a factory, but has no tradition of PMM production. With spare parts, not everything is clear. Can Zanussi look after it, after all, the Electrolux concern produces it.

About Zanussi. The machine is about 5 years old. The coating has peeled off on the pins of the lower basket, rust has emerged. Something broke in the mountings on the upper basket and the upper rocker began to fly off, my husband had to fix it. Otherwise, the flight is normal.

[annnushka27]

annnushka27, Anya, Love Yu,
Midea Chinese brand. This company has a factory, but has no tradition of PMM production. With spare parts, not everything is clear. Can Zanussi look after it, after all, the Electrolux concern produces it.

So what is that Chinese brand? Now almost everything is made in China. Including, for example, the beloved Kenwood kitchen machine for many of us. The point is to take the average quality, and not overpay for the brand, so that it is at a not quite astronomical price. 10 years ago I took the cheapest Indesit washing machine on the market at that time. It still works great.

The coating has peeled off on the pins of the lower basket, rust has emerged.

Yesterday I watched a video about Veko, also with the pins the same problem, there is a typewriter for three years. I'm wondering why not make these pins stainless steel. Basically, peeling paint doesn't care. But what rusts and then rusty spots remain on the dishes in the places of contact, we would not like it.
I wonder why this happens - from chemistry, from temperature or from scratching with dishes?

I wonder why this is happening

From modern marketing, the sooner we stop liking the old machine, the sooner we will buy a new one. This is all done on purpose, on the one hand, using cheaper materials, companies save on costs, on the other hand, they shorten the time until the purchase of the next equipment Everything is thought out in advance

Chinese brand? Now almost everything is made in China

"Chinese brand" and "Now almost everything is made in China" are disparate things. Well-known brands that manufacture their products in China provide support, spare parts, and warranty service, that is, they bear a certain responsibility to the consumer, in contrast to the Chinese non-name or any local Chinese brand, which often does not provide anything except the product itself, but but at low dumping prices ...

[annnushka27]

annnushka27, Anya, Love Yu,
Midea Chinese brand. This company has a factory, but has no tradition of PMM production. With spare parts, not everything is clear. Can Zanussi look after it, after all, the Electrolux concern produces it.

Well, Midea does not specialize in dishwashers, but churns out a lot of large household appliances



I have Flavia dishwasher, 2 years already, everything suits her.

I also now have a question about purchasing PMM in connection with the move, what can you say about Kuppersberg?

[Love Yu]

Love Yu, we bought yesterday Midea MFD 60s900 X, now I'm testing ...there is no limit to my joy, I wanted her for so long, my old one broke down for 5 years ...
I already here once wrote that either Midea or none at all, since we can't afford it, but I got this one cheaper than in ordinary stores, it's new, not used, that's why we bought it ...
If you are interested in reviews, I will be happy to answer all your questions ...)))

[annnushka27]

annnushka27, congratulations on your new assistant !!! May serve faithfully for long summers

After a while, please, tell us about your impressions here, different modes, how it dries, how it washes, etc. Very often people discuss this particular manufacturer to take or not to take.

[Tanya-Fanya]

Tanya-Fanya, thanks for the compliments!
While I washed the dishes once, and then for 90 minutes, I washed them normally, the dishes are dry, without stains. There were two lids from old pans, at which I waved my hand for a long time, they did not wash, but this is understandable, there is very old fat ...))) I'm happy so far ...
What I like about it, that there is a third shelf, there was no rinsing (pre-wash) in the old one for 15 minutes, I really wanted it, it is not everywhere, but I got used to it. There is also a Fast 30 min and 90 min., Only 8 pograms.

I chose the brand of dishwasher for a long time. I read reviews and settled on BOSH smv 23AX00R | 48, focused on user ratings.
I will list what is good:
1 price the lowest of the "normal" cost 22,500
2. a sufficient minimum of programs.
3. roomy (4 people in a family, we cook at home)
4. good baskets for dishes, the dishes do not fall out, the choice was between Bosch and Hanza, since she definitely did not want China, they wrote about Hanza that the dishes fall out because the basket is inconvenient.
5.washes perfectly (already a week)
I didn’t like the instruction just stupid. (Sorry for the harshness) I read it for three days and could not figure out how to turn it on. I didn’t like that the engineer from the service center didn’t give any explanations when connecting, but chatted on the phone. I didn’t like the lack of technical support by phone, although the manufacturer’s website was announced. I didn’t like that the pins didn’t fold, sometimes the dishes didn’t fit in and it was inconvenient to place them.

I have Bosch for 4 years, the dishes have been killed all in the trash. Such a brown Luminark, I think everyone knows such dishes all covered in white bloom and scratches. Transparent plastic also fades.
My everything is at 45 degrees, after having washed everything in the sink with a sponge, otherwise it will not wash, but simply dry the remnants of food. But I’m not ready to give up the dishwasher because of the drying-always pissed off mountains of drying dishes next to the sink, I had such a small place there, always dampness, mold, etc. She dries for 5+, washes for 2.

Now, in my new dishwasher, I don't like the fact that there is no beam on the floor. There is a sound signal, but not in all parts of the house.
You have to look under the countertop and see if the light is flashing. There is no third shelf and now this cutlery basket takes space from other dishes. And I don't like putting forks and spoons in it.

[Elena]

I have neither a signal nor a beam, I am guided by the light indicators. The sink is lit first, then drying. When nothing is on, the dishes are washed. Here is such a silent young lady with me.



Elena, but you do not have such a pull-out shelf with holes? I insert spoons, forks, knives on top. The specialist put the stand aside for a long time, and there is so little space, where else is this bandura.

And I don't like putting forks and spoons in it.

Do you mean to insert each spoon into the hole in the basket lid?
So open this lid and put the appliances in handfuls. I love. Then I put this basket with clean appliances on the countertop and put it in a drawer, so I don't have to bend over again.

Here is such a silent young lady I have

Your young lady is not built-in. That is why the beam is not needed, you see and so when it works.
With my beam, after reading the reviews of "experienced", I chose just this one, albeit more expensive

[optimist]

optimist, Lenusya, adjust the water hardness.And the dishes will become normal after a couple of washes. Also went through this.
You just need to configure it correctly, since the factory settings are standard.
I found out about it after 3 years ...