Dishwasher selection (2)

[Olga]

Olga, wow, I haven't even heard of that. Here I am tundra Thank you !!

[SvetLanaSSh]

SvetLanaSSh, not at all. Only in addition to the electrolux, they still make an eyelid (I know about the hobs); a friend covered herself in a month butting with ikea for a long time through an independent examination

[SvetLanaSSh]

I have a PMM SIEMENS SR 64M002 RU. She is built-in, 45 cm. ..... very happy

In November 2016, I bought the same PMM. Ugh, ugh, ugh at her! I love her!
Here is the description on the official website
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SvetLanaSSh, I support the previously expressed opinion that in a narrow PMM of 45 cm, the half load mode is absolutely useless.
Firstly, the instructions indicate that the dishes can be collected within 2 days.
Secondly, even if there are not enough dishes, I always find something to supplement it: a glass jug from under boiled water to submarine, a plastic lid from a microwave, a transparent bowl from a combine, etc.)
Thirdly, my PMM has a "glass" mode. It lasts 1 hour 30 minutes. Designed for fragile dishes, glass, designed for fresh food leftovers, and washes at 40 degrees. At the same time, I have an additional function "zone of intensive washing" (the water pressure and its heating temperature for the dishes in the lower basket increase). As a result, a small amount of freshly soiled dishes was washed in this combination mode. I gave you such a detailed example so that you understand "half load is not a panacea" :-)
There is also a "fast" mode in this PMM - the time is 29 minutes. This is a wash at 45 g, an intermediate rinse, and a final rinse at 55 g. But there is no drying in this mode. That saves time, alas, washed, but wet dishes. I do not like this mode, it seems useless to me

Most often I use the Auto 45-65 gr. and, like most, I turn it on at night. PMMs are smart, they have smart brains and all sorts of sensors, sensors. This mode is described in the instructions as follows: "it is optimized using sensors in accordance with the degree of soiling of the dishes". In addition to it, I often connect the "intensive washing zone" (which I already wrote about above), so that pots or trays can be washed even better :-) But where is it even better?

About the third upper cutlery tray. A lot of controversy. And on other forums, too, heated debates - which is better than the third tray or basket? I have no experience with the third tray.
I am very happy with the basket, I will tell you my experience. Nooo, at first, when I saw it, it was closed with a lid with holes and I was seized with horror. What's that? I have to stick every spoon, fork into every hole ??? Did the Germans come up with this idea ??? Saved by a friend, dying with laughter into the telephone receiver, she explained that this lid should be opened and forgotten about it. Fuuuh, how did I feel better. It turned out to be a normal three-piece basket. In this case, you do not have to bend over to the car, on the contrary, I put the basket in the sink. In the middle there is a smaller compartment - there all the tea and coffee spoons at once "bam! Poured in and you're done." In the deeper compartment, the forks and soup spoons all at once, in the other deep compartment there are two large nozzles, beaters from the mixer and silicone spatulas (they pass by height). Now I lower the filled basket into the car, holding it by the handle. I rest the baking dishes with high sides on the handle of this very basket - so they take up a minimum of space, do not lie, but stand at an angle. In this case, small plates are placed under the forms.
Spoons and forks must be laid out in the upper cutlery tray ...
After washing, I take the basket out of the car onto the countertop and put the appliances in their places. Very comfortably.
Here's an ode to the cutlery basket
But that's not all. If you take a closer look at the PMM photo at the office.website, you will see in the upper tray on the right side of the plastic shelf - it is for small tea cups and small coffee cups. If there is an upper cutlery basket, this shelf will not be.

About the beam. Thanks to everyone who convinced me not to give it up. Yes, with a beam is more expensive. But at the end of the cycle, the PMM is silent, and if it’s mine in the night, then it doesn’t matter for us whether she finished or not, but if it’s important for us to know during the day, but there is no ray? The PMM signal is audible only near. More to say, a child sometimes runs into the kitchen and looks for this particular cup with a dog (with a flower, alas, is not needed now), and even a blue ray does not always stop, so as not to open the PMM in search of this very cup!

What am I missing in my PMM? Mode "intensive wash 70 g" or additional function "hygiene plus" (high temperature allows you to achieve a disinfecting effect).

I sympathize with you, I represent your throes of choice when you need to combine "Wishlist" with financial capabilities. But then ... a feeling of happiness! - :)

I would like to draw your attention to the fact that on the official site "Bosch household appliances" you can not only get acquainted with the characteristics of each model, but also compare them with each other. Keep in mind that PMM Bosch, like ovens, are assembled not only in Germany, but also in Poland. On this site I compared all the PMMs available for sale. Very clear.
Further, Siemens is going only in Germany so far. Unfortunately, it is impossible to compare on their website, but the characteristics for each model are given in detail.

When buying your PMM, when you unpack, do not be alarmed, inside it will be covered in water droplets. This confirms that it has been tested at the factory.

I wish you a successful choice of a new reliable assistant!

[Tanya-Fanya]

Tanya-Fanya, Tanya, you are my sweetheart !! THANK YOU VERY MUCH (!!!!) for such a meaningful answer !! Many of our preferences in the design of the dishwasher coincided with you! After long days of choosing, yesterday finally settled on 2 models. I choose between yours and Bosch SPV 40 X 90 RU. They are almost the same and are made in Germany. There is a slight difference in modes. It remains only to decide which one to buy
THANK YOU a million times for your review !!! I learned a lot for myself and will definitely use your tips !! I read you as an interesting book, I read you already 2 times .. Tomorrow I will read it again
May God grant you and your loved ones health, and all the best, for your responsiveness and care !!
P.S. Sorry, the message was a bit messy. It's already half past midnight, and I have so many emotions

I am very happy with the shopping cart

Tanya, thank you for your feedback and a separate one for the basket. Since most people write that the most convenient is a tray for forks, spoons, etc.

[$ vetLana]

$ vetLana, only you realized that this is exclusively my experience!

[$ vetLana]

$ vetLana,
Kmk, few in our country have experience of using several different PMM. I still have one, there is nothing to compare with. I see full-sized guests, I see that these 15 cm are directly perceptible ... but often 45 cm is the only option. As it was with me, in Khrushchev. The account was in centimeters.
Again, according to the reviews of my friends, several people told me that they were dissatisfied with the cutlery basket. But maybe they just don't use it as effectively as Tanya ...

this is exclusively my experience

Of course.

Again, according to the reviews of my friends, several people told me that they were unhappy with the cutlery basket

Olya, here I am about this.
Now, after reading Tanya, I understand that I have put in a pile of forks and spoons in a basket and put them in the PMM, and I must carefully lay out on the tray. Or I'm wrong?

I also have nothing to compare with. I have a free-standing 60 cm Bosch. And so if I buy a new one, I want a third rocker arm on the ceiling. The basket does not bother me too much - I insert it into the holes - not all the spoons come in. I washed the drawing from Luminarkov's mugs, washed the gold rim from the plates. Many plastic containers are cracked, although mine is in the top box. Be careful. Burnt from grandmother's pans may not wash, but then simply rub it with a sponge.Sometimes the rim is not washed from the broth, but this is how I understood this is the sin of many pmm. Half load is relevant for large cars, do not bother for 45 cm. Good luck

Good day! Oh, girls, this is what matters to anyone ... I removed the basket for cutlery, and put a glass stand with holes, I put forks, spoons in it and everything is fine, and the basket takes up a lot of space. I have Asko, already 9-10 years old, works like fie3 hours. I only started to malfunction, they cleaned it, everything is in flight again, but has been naughty lately, then she doesn't like the pills, then the rinses, I think that it's not about her, but the quality of what they are selling to us. I have a big car, no matter how my wife persuaded , rested that he wanted more, and even more so when comparing PMM at that time, they explained that that Zaporozhets, that ..., and this Mercedes, so he was tempted. It suits me, but I would like to fill it in a smaller one, it's good when there are guests, but they are not every day ... Yes, the pots are not washed by ice, the bottom is only good, and so are the pans. But I try not to wash them in it, so for prevention and shine only.

I also removed the cutlery basket. But I rarely have a lot of spoons, forks, so I calmly manage without it.

[$ vetLana]

So interesting, she joined us $ vetLana, with a nickname similar to mine, and now who is answering whom is a little confused
Omka, Ketsal, SoNika, Olga, thank you very much, girls! Your valuable tips are very useful to me!
GOOD TO ALL !!

[SvetLanaSSh]

SvetLanaSSh, good choice.

[Virine]

Virine, Thank you! The case is already moving towards a final decision

I have a PMM of 45 cm. I do not pretend to be true, just my observations.
I use the cutlery basket, it suits me completely. The tray at the top would be superfluous for me. The fact is that bulky dishes (pots, lids, large salad bowls, ladles, etc.) are washed in the lower basket, respectively, there is practically no room for table plates at the bottom and they are washed at the top with cups and saucers. So if I had a 3rd tier, then the dinner plates would simply not fit there. And this is even if the upper basket is not lifted to the upper position.
I think the third tier is more relevant for the PMM 60 cm. Actually, like the half load. For 5 years of using PMM, I used half load 3-4 times at most. Family of 3, full dishwasher every day.
At first, I was very upset by the lack of a beam in the floor. Now I understand that I do not need him at all. The dishes are washed almost always at night or after eating, collected and left. When choosing a PMM with a beam or with more convenient washing programs, I would choose programs. Although the presence of both is just wonderful.

[Vredin @]

Vredin @, thanks Annushka! And what kind of machine do you have? What is the name, tsyferki, letters? And most importantly, how did you show yourself in work for 5 years? Washes, dries well, were there any failures?

[SoNika]

SoNika, Nika,, write how old is the typewriter and the model (I write down and analyze all the information)
So 60 cm is a lot for you? I'm aiming for 60.

So interesting, $ vetLana joined us, with a nickname similar to mine, and now who is answering whom is a little confused

The main thing is the result.

[$ vetLana]

$ vetLana, 60 not a lot, so estimate how many dishes you use for dinner. In addition to the plates, the saucepan is already a quarter of the lower basket, pans, etc., plus you can collect it all day. Many, many are not enough. How to stuff a 45 cm baking sheet.If space allows, take 60

If space permits, take 60

It fits, but you also need to consider how to load, unload, so that it is convenient.

[$ vetLana]

$ vetLana, correctly aiming at 60 cm.If the design of the kitchen furniture and the dimensions allow, then 60.
I put a 3-liter pan in my PMM 45 cm sideways, and only a 1-liter one will fit next to it. For clarity, look on YouTube for a lot of videos about how to correctly place dishes in the PMM. It will immediately become clear how much and how. Sometimes the thought that something cannot be crammed into the PMM makes you play Tetris.You literally start trying the utensils on to each other, just not to wash with pens.
By the way! Thanks to PMM, my manicure began to look a lot better -;)

As for the 3rd tray - firstly, it is flat and takes up little height. Secondly, my Hansa has two removable halves, you can leave one if there are few devices. Thirdly, my children eat with cupronickel spoons and forks - a gift from my grandmother from a dessert set. They cannot be put together with stainless steel - they will turn black. I put stainless steel on one half, cupronickel and nylon shovels and spoons from a multicooker on the second. Already 1.5 years so mine. I also attach a baking mat on top.

[VolzhankaD]

VolzhankaD, and you also wash cupronickel spoons in PMM? Isn't it scary to spoil them?

[SvetLanaSSh]

SvetLanaSSh, Svetlana, I have SAMSUNG DM-M59AHC. In general, I am satisfied, but I join the advice about 60 cm, if possible. A lot - not a little!
Washes, dries well, in my opinion, but initially I do not impose unnecessary demands on her. That is, I do not expect that it will easily wash away what you need to intensively rub with a prickly sponge during manual washing, for example, a burnt baking sheet, a saucepan with stuck porridge or carbon deposits in a frying pan. I fill such dishes with water, soak them so as not to wash them. Out of habit, I brush the rim of the broth with a sponge, since it is not always washed off.
The rest of the dishes shine, sparkle and pleases with cleanliness.

As for the 3rd tray - firstly, it is flat and takes up little height.

VolzhankaD, but can you tell me how much height it takes in cm?

I have a PMM for 45, I use a 3m tray for instruments, in principle it is convenient, but sometimes after guests you put glasses with long legs on the 2nd level and they cling to the third tray, you have to shift like in Tetris
but in general, in my opinion, the tray is much more convenient than a separate basket for cutlery and stains on spoons, it seems, it remains less (IMHO, maybe it's not in the tray, but in the means)

[Anna]

Anna, clearly understood! Thank you!



wall-e, Thank you!

Of course. Olya, here I am about this.
Now, after reading Tanya, I understand that I have put in a pile of forks and spoons in a basket and put them in the PMM, and I must carefully lay out on the tray. Or I'm wrong?

Sveta, how neatly - one piece at a time. But then it is convenient - you take all the forks, for example, and immediately into the box ... well, I have it
I would say so - PMM, it basically involves a thoughtful laying of dishes ... even the coolest and full-size. You still need to turn everything over, put it right. This is not a sink, where my husband loves to dump in a heap in a row, it is clear that after getting used to it, everything is done on the machine)))
As for the height of the baskets ... I can measure it later, but on the second level - which is under the tray with forks-spoons, I have a bowl from the Bosch combine (which cuts into cubes) there is enough height

, I have a bowl from a Bosch combine

Ol, I didn't know that the bowls of the combine can be washed in the PMM. I have a Filya harvester. We must see how he is with this.

I would say so - PMM, in principle it involves thoughtful laying of dishes

Well said.

Ol, I did not know that the bowls of the combine can be washed in the PMM

I, too, from Boshik, whisks and all plastic spare parts from him - too

but can you tell me how much height it takes in cm?

Measured it - 8 cm, even ladles do not fit. But skewers - diagonally.

and you also wash cupronickel spoons in PMM? Isn't it scary to spoil them?

For 1.5 years, nothing happened to them (they are without gilding). The main thing is to stay away from stainless steel. If they darken - from food or in the sink - I keep them in potato broth, and they shine again. In expensive Siemens and Miele, there seem to be specials. box for silverware and cupronickel.

[VolzhankaD]

Measured it - 8 cm, even ladles do not fit.

VolzhankaD, thanks for the measurement. So I say that only saucers and cups could be put in my PMM with a 3rd tray.
And in order not to be unfounded, I present a soup plate ⌀21cm in the upper basket
Upper basket in the lower position (free 3cm):

Upper basket in top position (basket does not even slide in):

I apologize for the quality of the photo, I shot it on my phone.

I have a bowl from the Bosch combine (which cuts into cubes) there is enough height

A bowl from Bosch MCM 5529 also fits in the upper tray, but I'm not sure that there will be another 8 cm free at the top

In general, I think that after all, the internal volume of different manufacturers and different PMM models with the same external dimensions may differ significantly. When I was just going to buy PMM, I also considered the desktop version, so there with the naked eye you can see the differences in the internal volume with identical external parameters.

[$ vetLana]

$ vetLana, Svetlan, Asko D3142, I don’t know if they release it now. Light, I have 3 men to eat, but I still do not type a full typewriter in a few days, it’s for 12 sets of pots and pans, I still have to wash or wash, whoever tells you what, I at least, I have never met any PMM, who washes away pots impeccably! ... Therefore, I wash a lot myself. Svetlana, it is better to look at the store and compare them for yourself, in real terms with each other. If your space allows, then take a large one, but I have a desire to take a smaller one, you have already noticed, I love small everything. Baking trays are first of all soaps, but it's easier for me to soak them .., and lately I've been covering them with paper or foil. In the upper tray, large plates do not fit, but small end-to-end under the second and dessert ... then I measure. Do you include water consumption?

[SoNika]

SoNika,. We don't count water. We spend a lot. Once I tried to save money, then I spat. There is no point in twitching over a hundred. We do not know how to live economically
I just recently came across an article and there Asko was praised. So I decided to do it with you, since you are using it.



Nikul, thank you. All come in handy.

[Svetlana]

Svetlana, It's my pleasure. my PMM also has a removable top cover, you can build it under the countertop. I wanted this year, when I was changing the stleshnitsa, to repair it ..., but alas, the master ordered a shorter length of the canvas ... it was too late to drink Borjomi.

pots and pans, you still have to wash or wash, no matter who tells you what, at least I have never met a PMM that washes the pots impeccably!

Well I do not know. I don’t have to clean anything after PMM, no pots for protein deposits, no pans.
Siemens machine SR64M001RU / 11. 45 cm, fully recessed, no half load, there is a beam on the floor. After five years of operation, the door cables broke.

[Sonadora]

Sonadora, So bad!
Have the cable repaired?

[Tatyana]

Tatyana, renovated. The new set cost 2 thousand rubles.

[Manya]

Manya, glad for you, you are the first one who does not blow off fat deposits from pots

[Virine]

Virine, fatty or protein? Usually, everyone is complaining about the latter.
I have never seen fatty deposits on the dishes or on the walls of the typewriter. I use Somat tablets. I didn't like the somat gel. The tea deposits on the cups were not washed off.

[SoNika]

SoNika,
I don't usually wash either. Although everything happens, sometimes I put a plate in the second circle
I wash small containers on top, then I will be guaranteed clean. Well I have like this

My Somat. Separate powder, plus salt and rinse aid

GIRLS, KARAUUUUL !!!! Gathered already tomorrow at the typewriter and re-read your messages on the track, went into SHOCK !! Help with advice, explain to me how these 2 cars differ:
Siemens SR RU64M001RU and Bosch SPV 40 X 90 RU ???
They are generally the same inside and with the same modes, only one is called Bosch, the other Siemens. Both are assembled in Germany. I don't understand

[Svetlana]

Svetlana, in China
Manya, yes, any, from time to time it is a rim about Sormat ... I don't remember whether I bought it or not, but I washed it with Nord, Neon tablets, finish, I take 7/1 or All, and not cheap

[SvetLanaSSh]

SvetLanaSSh, Svetlana, it seems that they differ only in water consumption per cycle. Siemens - 9 liters, Bosch -11.

As my son explained to me, Bosch and Siemens are one and the same, only Siemens of the luxury type. This is how Toyota and Lexus cars are produced by the same factory. But Lexus is considered a premium class.
So Siemens is considered to be of type cooler than Bosch.
I agreed to Siemens, although at first I chose Bosch Well, it's cooler !!!
But the programs are exactly the same, only the Bosch had a half load (as it turned out not necessary at all), and Siemens had a reduced washing time, which is much better.

[SvetLanaSSh]

SvetLanaSSh, Siemens is assembled in Germany, and it is this Bosch model that you need to look for.
I wonder what makes the difference between 2 liters of water
Finally, does the price differ somehow?
k @ wka, I also fell for Siemens -;)

[Tanya-Fanya]

Tanya-Fanya, I don't remember the difference in price anymore, it was a year ago. But it cost a little more, maybe a thousand. not more.
But the son bought Siemens, he was advised in the store. I took it to "Eldorado", and for the bonuses from the purchase of PMM I also took a strialka literally for a penny. The cost of the washing machine came out about 50 bucks. So it turned out profitable anyway

[SvetLanaSSh]

SvetLanaSSh, in the otzovik read the reviews on them, it's so difficult to say, because what is good for one, is for another ..., for example, I like kinesthetic-digital - I like to see, buy, check ...

Svetlana, in China

What exactly is "in China"? In China, Samsung, Korting, some Goreny and Electrolux, something else there .. Ah, more Hansa. Maybe not the entire lineup, but some of the cars. Bosch, it seems, does the construction of thunder in Germany only in Poland.
But I see you are not in doubt? Will there be links to documentation? Maybe I don’t know something .. ((

And how is it to see where it was made?
I didn't have any kind of China. Germany is written everywhere. Or is China encrypted in such a way that you don't understand?
The mark is German - that's understandable. But, where should production still be somewhere? Or not?

On my Siemens panel it says - made in Germany. Does this mean anything ... xs
Sveta, in any case Bosch and Siemens are one office for a long time. They have absolutely identical models. I would look for two manuals on the net and read them. If they are the same ... I don't even know if the price or the best deal in stores on the day of purchase ...

[Galina]

Galina, in my documents it was written - country of origin Italy and manufacturer Italy, or maybe country of production Ukraine, manufacturer Italy, I have Zanussi