Dishwasher selection (2)

Olima thank you for your understanding. Thanks for the advice, I'll try it somehow.

and here there is nothing to laugh ... .. you read this Temko more closely ... just after such "licking" we have members of the forum and regulated the amount of detergents in the PMM, and therefore the quality of washing dishes ...

Well, I originally wrote that I cut the pill in half, thus adjusting the amount of detergents in the PMM, and sometimes, with light pollution, and generally without detergents on a special program. Well, that's me.

that I cut the tablet in half, thus adjusting the amount of detergents in the PMM, and sometimes, with light soiling, and generally without detergents on a special program.

And what is completely without funds, then we can then cut the tablet into 4 parts or into 6.

Hello everybody!
I read the whole topic. Came to a dead end. I have a whirlpool dishwasher, bought in 2006, made in Germany. Now you need to buy another one in the chapel. house. Initially I wanted to take the same whirlpool, but this model has been discontinued and the country of assembly is now Poland. I looked in the Bosch and Siemens store, but the owners of these cars will excuse me, but they did not like it at all, after my whirlpool. inside, everything is flimsy, gives off Chinese, I watched the top models assembled in Germany. Although I am not against hardworking Chinese people. my panasonic bread maker is assembled in China.
Maybe I'm wrong, and I need to take Bosch?
I read a lot of laudatory reviews about Beko. I am at a loss now. Beko did not find a touch in the store.
Beko owners tell me, plz, how are the cars made inside? qualitatively? wash, I understand very well.
Looking closely at 6833.
There are reviews that the door is leaking ...
And a request to the guru to advise what else to see!
The machine is needed for 60, building or freestanding without a difference, protection against leaks is not important.
Help with the choice, otherwise I have the feeling that I am constantly washing the dishes.

After the whirlpool, the quality of the eyelid wash will amaze you. But if you do not feel sorry for the money and are ready to accept so as not to wash with your hands, then the eyelid will help.

[bdzolka]

bdzolka, in general, I am more skeptical than positive about the dishwasher. Plus they save time and protect our hands. Therefore, there will be no delight from me))
I have a beko 6831 extra, washes, dries, nothing leaks (mmm). I saw the boshi from the inside, visually I did not feel the difference with the beko. On the contrary, it seemed that the boshi smelled somehow unpleasant (when new). Beko is not sold in stores. Sellers say they won't, like then more expensive cars will not sell well

After the whirlpool, the quality of the eyelid wash will amaze you. But if you do not feel sorry for the money and are ready to accept so as not to wash with your hands, then the eyelid will help.

You mean what will pleasantly impress? I don't really like drying in whirlpool ...
The money has already been allocated, it remains to choose.

Ha, sold in stores, I saw them in Eldorado .. But for a long time. Why did they stop selling if they were bought up? Maybe it's not about expensive sales? After all, if people are ripe for PMM, he chooses for money, who is cheaper, who is more expensive .. everyone in different ways. After all, they sell from the inexpensive segment indesites, elekrolux and some other inexpensive ones. So it's not a matter of price, as it were, but something else all the same.

You mean what will pleasantly impress? I don't really like drying in whirlpool ...
The money has already been allocated, it remains to choose.

I think it's unpleasant. I already had the experience of a cheap washing machine, I know what I'm talking about. The name is simply not expensive, the price is also worth the quality. And don't forget about that.
I have a Bosch and I like both the washing quality and the drying quality. And when the time comes to change - then only Bosch or Siemens, although this is one field of berries.

[Stafa]

I think it's unpleasant. I already had the experience of a cheap washing machine, I know what I'm talking about. The name is simply not expensive, the price is also worth the quality. And don't forget about that.

Stafa, I do not defend the beko, I generally found out that I now have a dishwasher when they brought it to the apartment. And so I did not badly wash all the soaps with my pens. But in general I love the technique, so I use it.
As for the prices for the brand, you are wrong. This is really so - well-known companies wind up a huge percentage for the name! And the quality is often the same as that of cheap things. Of the examples - I have a cheap washing machine Ariston - it serves the 12th year. Cell phones - basically we don't buy Nokia - with the same functions they are 2 times more expensive than Samsung and skis. And after 2-3 years, in most cases, any phone is changed to a new one, which is expensive, which is cheap. But if the equipment breaks down, it's not a pity for a cheap one)) We have such an approach in general to all technique.
I just went to the store later and looked at other PMMs. In terms of quality, they seemed to me all approximately the same. If I chose, I would take in appearance))

I was so hoping that you would write - it will pleasantly surprise ...
My Boshevsky blender broke down after six months of use .... my husband is against Bosch, not categorically, but against. the decision is mine.
In principle, I looked after Siemens, but my soul does not lie ...

As for the prices for the brand, you are wrong. This is really so - well-known companies wind up a huge percentage for the name! And the quality is often the same as that of cheap things. Of the examples - I have a cheap washing machine Ariston - it serves the 12th year. Cellular - basically we don't buy nokia -
I just went to the store later and looked at other PMMs. In terms of quality, they seemed to me all approximately the same. If I chose, I would take in appearance))

I will not argue about telephones - he is a matyugalnik.
About technology - there is something to pay for from trusted brands and nothing for an incomprehensible name with claims to elite. But everyone votes with their wallet and it is everyone's right to choose what he wants.
A Zhiguli is also a car, and a Zaporozhets was also a car.

I was so hoping that you would write - it will pleasantly surprise ...
My Boshevsky blender broke down after six months of use .... my husband is against Bosch, not categorically, but against. the decision is mine.
In principle, I looked after Siemens, but my soul does not lie ...

And there were no hairpins with the name Bosch? Bosch has washers, dishwashers - their strong point .. Then they began to buy all kinds of crap in China and rivet a name on it so as not to lag behind competitors. Then, in their footsteps, Phillips began to put the identity on all of his labels - and not all of this is successful, if not - complete henna. And the husband is against Bosch - let him wash the dishes and then his opinion in the choice of PMM will be taken into account. And in this choice, his task is to allocate money for a lope and not to be redneck.

Nikasa, thanks for writing.
I agree with you that the price of the brand is being increased. for Bosch I think 50%. There are just so many bad reviews about Bosch. not that Bosch now, unfortunately.

Nikasa, thanks for writing.
I agree with you that the price of the brand is being increased. for Bosch I think 50%. There are just so many bad reviews about Bosch. not that Bosch now, unfortunately.

Take an eyelid and don't worry. This is a good choice. Although the choice has already been made, expect frugality to be approved.

[Stafa]

Stafa, I agree with you 100 - it's about the wallet. )) If I had a lot of money, I would buy everything with a big name, without looking at the price - the main thing is that it would be outwardly beautiful and prestigious. Well, that would work.
And so you have to compare and choose for a long time.

Take an eyelid and don't worry. This is a good choice. Although the choice has already been made, expect frugality to be approved.

The fact of the matter is that the choice is not made! I have been reading the Internet about pmm for a month now. I'm ready to buy an expensive Bosch Siemens, I'm just not sure if the purchase of this brand is correct.besides, having watched them live in company stores, so to speak, I was not impressed .... well, at all .... expected better quality, honestly. I only liked the backlight, but, you know, it is just pleasing to the eye. Just having experience with PMM, in my case, it's more difficult to choose.
If Bosch began to do this, I'm afraid to buy a Beko without looking.

[bdzolka]

bdzolka, if I were you, I would buy from what you can open-see live, so that later there would be no disappointments. Because after the existing typewriter, you want to find something no worse, but without looking, it's difficult to do it.

And what has it to do with prestige. It's all tinsel. The main thing is the quality of what the device or equipment should do. This is what money is paid for. But here everyone has their own religion. I can buy some kind of noname severin sandwich maker - she, too, has the right to life, but her life is somehow short. And money thrown away in vain, since the quality is rubbish. But on the other hand, the functions with beer will pull.
And things of long-term use must be of high quality and worthy. I once bought a Samsung washing machine for my children - everything was spat on, cheap is not good. But on the other hand, I washed black socks well, since dirt is not visible on them. Three years later, she broke down and bought a Bosch - this is heaven and earth. So I don't even want to argue, the miser pays twice. I figured it out on myself, once in pursuit of cheapness.

The fact of the matter is that the choice is not made! I have been reading the Internet about pmm for a month now.

By the way, good and high-quality equipment is rarely reviewed. Moreover, there are very few reviews about famous brands. But new and unknown brands write about brands mainly to convince themselves and others in their choice that it is the right type. And this forum is no exception. I would be surprised if the buyers of the bork wrote that they were bred like suckers for tinsel. They will salivate and prove that they are advanced.

I will not argue about telephones - he is a matyugalnik.
About technology - there is something to pay for from trusted brands and nothing for an incomprehensible name with claims to elite. But everyone votes with their wallet and it is everyone's right to choose what he wants.
A Zhiguli is also a car, and a Zaporozhets was also a car.
And there were no hairpins with the name Bosch? Bosch has washers, dishwashers - their strong point .. Then they began to buy all kinds of crap in China and rivet a name on it so as not to lag behind competitors. Then, in their footsteps, Phillips began to put the identity on all of his labels - and not all of this is successful, if not - complete henna. And the husband is against Bosch - let him wash the dishes and then his opinion in the choice of PMM will be taken into account. And in this choice, his task is to allocate money for a lope and not to be redneck.

I didn't know about the horse. I will read it. If they glue their name, I would like to match.
My husband insisted on buying the first hmm, I was against it.
I want to choose what I like + good reviews. So far I haven’t liked anything ..... at least take two cars and buy for comparison. (My husband offers this)
You are a lover of Bosch, as I understand it.

It's just that every eminent brand has a story and you need to read it at least a little in order to understand it when choosing. And it seems like a very good forum of Ikhbibit professionals - there are really truthful reviews about equipment from computers to household appliances. Not housewives (forgive me, she herself is), but specialists and others like them.

You are a lover of Bosch, as I understand it.

The Ski washer (expensive, but unloved, since it was given on credit 8 years ago, and Bosch was cheaper then by a thousand - they didn't give stsuki) - it will break down, I'll buy Bosch Siemens, service workers dissuaded Millet (brains are weak, but expensive), a refrigerator in general Hayer, bought because of the freezer boxes, the ariston hob, in short, I have a prefabricated hodgepodge.

Stafa, here are just a lot of reviews about Bosch.
Service centers probably have more information. only there are no acquaintances there.
What's your model?

I have already discontinued SGS 57M82EU

Shl. Something that I am tormented by vague doubts that complaints and not very flattering reviews for boshes from a cheap segment? I am looking after an installation for myself - everything from 20 thousand and above is still worthy of consideration. Although over 27 I like it more.But while I was told the ficwam - the home of the Indians, this one must be demolished.

It's just that every eminent brand has a story and you need to read it at least a little in order to understand it when choosing. And it seems like a very good forum of Ikhbibit professionals - there are really truthful reviews about equipment from computers to household appliances. Not housewives (forgive me, she herself is), but specialists and others like them.

First of all I read there and then Bosch went to see. there only Bosch, Siemens and Neff are discussing.
And what are the bad reviews of housewives? real users.

I don't trust the opinion of housewives, it is deceptive and depends on the mood, pms and much more. Although it is worth reading to separate the wheat from the chaff. But you have to pass a lot of water through yourself.

Shl. A real case - my washing machine thundered. Yes, it thundered - I thought the drum would fly out. And all the bolts there in it crumbled. A familiar master came and pulled out a small such hook from the washing machine, cm 10 with the letter S. How he hit the drum and was in it for almost a year, rattling for a bit, then really went to the explosion. And now submit my review of the washer. And I already went to a new one, I looked forward to it. They cooled me down - she will plow for another 5-7 years. Already 2 years have passed since then. I'm waiting for her to die a natural death.

I watched top-class boshi and siemens. assembly Germany. With the third basket. the reviews are different. turns out as lucky.

And why the third basket?
Shl. and enlighten those who are on the armored train what is the top class? What segment of technology is this?

I don't trust the opinion of housewives, it is deceptive and depends on the mood, pms and much more. Although it is worth reading to separate the wheat from the chaff. But you have to pass a lot of water through yourself.

Shl. A real case - my washing machine thundered. Yes, it thundered - I thought the drum would fly out. And all the bolts there in it crumbled. A familiar master came and pulled out a small such hook from the washing machine, cm 10 with the letter S. How he hit the drum and was in it for almost a year, rattling for a bit, then really went to the explosion. And now submit my review of the washer. And I already went to a new one, I looked forward to it. They cooled me down - she will plow for another 5-7 years. Already 2 years have passed since then. I'm waiting for her to die a natural death.

Wow hook! I present a review ..

And why the third basket?
Shl. and enlighten those who are on the armored train what is the top class? What segment of technology is this?

Top class meant T in the model name. There is also U, ultra class. T and U models are the most sophisticated, as I understand it.

Hello dear experienced dishwashers :) A week ago I bought Simens SR 24E 2O2 and then accidentally came across your forum and is now in complete confusion. I don't have an intensive wash !!! There are 4 programs in total: auto 55-65 g, delicate 4O g, fast 45 g and rinse. The machine has not yet been connected and until these two weeks of possible return of the purchase have passed, is it worth changing it to Simens Sr 25M, which has a 7O degree sink? Something I somehow now began to doubt the quality of washing dishes at this minimum of programs: (Maybe someone has a similar machine? Here! Without understanding these dishwashers, I bought a cheap one, fell for the brand. I have such a washing machine and pmm decided take the same brand

Good evening, dishwasher bakers! We're here, both ... Bosch and only Bosch! They compared the washed glass in my budget Boschka (I don't remember the number, I didn't find any papers about it right away) with the neighbor's Whirlpool (built-in) and my sister's Candy. All preparations - powder, salt, rinse aid - were the same, the modes were also chosen similar, and they even stained the glasses in the same way for the purity of the experiment - red wine, kefir, standing tea ... They got sparkling glasses from mine, after Virpul there were smudges. Candy showed herself worst of all - the glasses turned out to be unclear with a touch. For three years of operation of the dishwasher in non-stop mode, there is only one remark - on the upper basket from the "horns" on which the glasses-cups cling, the plastic began to peel off and peel off, and the metal underneath began to rust. I'll have to refer her to the dacha for rare use on weekends, and I'll look for myself again for BOSCH, only with all-metal chrome (or nickel-plated?) Baskets. I have already seen such PMM somewhere. Good luck and pleasure to everyone from communicating with smart home appliances

Hello dear experienced dishwashers :) A week ago I bought Simens SR 24E 2O2 and then accidentally came across your forum and is now in complete confusion. I don't have an intensive wash !!! There are 4 programs in total: auto 55-65 g, delicate 4O g, fast 45 g and rinse.

I have been using the 55-65 auto prog for 5 years now and only a few times during this time of daily washes have I used 70C and 45C for glasses and glass (and plastic). So think, this program is so vital.

[Irma]

Irma I'm also new to dishwashing. I have been using Bosch SPS 53E02 only for a week. There are 5 programs in it, but from a little experience it seems to me that this is quite enough, because the first time I washed it for a long time at 70 degrees for 2 hours 20 minutes and was very disappointed - the effect of washing same as fast at 45 g 29 min. Conclusion - a long wash is an extra waste of water and electricity !!!! since the effect is the same, true. I began to interrogate acquaintances, those also use only the fast one, complain only those who have a quick wash at 35 degrees - the temperature is low. Now think for yourself whether you need a long wash and the hassle of changing a car. What else I want to say - when washing, the choice of a product is not the last thing, so read a separate branch and choose a good product and experiment, because even the same products behave differently with different water - they scratch dishes, leave marks, have an unpleasant smell. There is no need to wait for a miracle from a typewriter! You still need to adjust to it, get used to it (detergent, dishes arrangement, optimal mode). Old pots will not shine the first time, it takes time, and sometimes after washing, rub the handles too, because in the car the old scale will soak well, but will not be removed. The dishes were not placed correctly, food residues may also remain - you need to rinse. In short, you need to find a common language with a typewriter, and this will take time - and again ... do not expect a miracle the first time, so that there is no disappointment. Good luck!

Simens Sr 25M which has a 7O degree sink? Something I somehow now began to doubt the quality of washing dishes at this minimum of programs: (Maybe someone has a similar machine? Here! Without understanding these dishwashers, I bought a cheap one, fell for the brand. I have such a washing machine and pmm decided take the same brand

Yes, this lot of programs is not needed. In my memory, for more than 5 years of the use of PMM, 70 * C was used only once, and even then to try to wash some kind of vintage saucepan We use one program, it is quite enough

Girls, thanks for the quick response. You reassured me, I wanted to go today to change to 5 program Siemens, and now I decided to start with my experience to gain time not so important for washing the temperature above 65 degrees. Tomorrow the husband will connect to the water and long live the clean dishes!

Yes, this lot of programs is not needed. In my memory, for more than 5 years of the use of PMM, 70 * C was used only once, and even then to try to wash some kind of vintage saucepan We use one program, it is quite enough

Finally calmed down. I will prepare for the connection of my assistant and not fool myself and my husband bought something wrong. Thank you

Finally calmed down. I will prepare for the connection of my assistant and not fool myself and my husband bought something wrong. Thank you

That's right! Use it for joy.

bdzolka
If you can afford it, take a more expensive typewriter, as a rule, more expensive things are more pleasant to use, even the backlight is a trifle, but nice. I am happy every time when I open my PMM

sazalexter, I read that you are a specialist in technology. Can you recommend the PMM brand? I would like the quality of washing and drying, and the reliability of the equipment. What about burning? I read a lot about Beko and Bosch. Somewhere I found Old that the Turkish god is collected at the same plant as Beko.

bdzolka
If you can afford it, take a more expensive typewriter, as a rule, more expensive things are more pleasant to use, even the backlight is a trifle, but nice. I am happy every time I open my PMM

What model do you have?
The husband also says that this is a minor pleasantness. We saw in the store how Siemens lights up

[bdzolka]

bdzolka AEG-Electrolux, Bosch, BEKO, these are brands. I will not tell you by model, look at the budget. They may be assembled at the same plant, but the conveyors are different, the components are also different.

[bdzolka]

bdzolka AEG-Electrolux, Bosch, BEKO, these are brands. I won't tell you by model, look at the budget. They may be assembled at the same plant, but the conveyors are different, the components are also different.

Thank you, I'll also look at the aeg and the electrolux. read, however, that they are sensitive to low voltage. I think the stabilizer will solve this problem.

I am happy every time I open my PMM

I have a budget little Boshik, but I am also happy ... every time she washes, and I’m in a tyrnete or with my husband under the barrel ...
Although I want to note that before the appearance of the PMM, our husband performed this function)))
and in general he was against, but you will not argue against me)))) but appreciated very well. fast
the truth is now we can not decide who is responsible for unloading it after washing

Thank you, I'll also look at the aeg and the electrolux. read, however, that they are sensitive to low voltage. I think the stabilizer will solve this problem.

Maybe I'm not in the subject, but just put in my 5 kopecks, well, at least some here think, I have an Electrolux washing machine, and if the voltage is low, then it, an infection, refuses to wash. Perhaps this is a feature of the Electrolux brand.

I chose PMM in a private house taking into account the ability to work with power surges (what if this happens), according to these criteria, many brands have disappeared. Therefore, I began to consider Bosch Siemens, and then aeg was under consideration, but the choice was from what was in the store.

[sazalexter]

I have an Electrolux washing machine, and if the voltage is low, then it, an infection, refuses to wash. Perhaps this is a feature of the Electrolux brand.

and so sazalexter throughout the entire topic says the same thing that Electrolux, like no other model, react to voltage drops .. even very insignificant ... and this is their drawback ... ..

about the voltage, thanks to everyone for writing. I don't want to experiment at all. read that Bosch does not suffer from this.

throughout the entire topic says the same thing that Electrolux, like no other model, react to voltage drops .. even very insignificant ... and this is their drawback ... ..

No, I don’t say that, I have Electrolux and it has been working quietly from 170v to 230v for more than 5 years. This unconfirmed rumor passed at one time, it seems like it was in the same line. In my opinion, the PMM is simply not correctly connected to the 220v network

No, I don’t say that, I have Electrolux and it has been working quietly from 170v to 230v for more than 5 years. This unconfirmed rumor passed at one time, it seems like it was in the same line. In my opinion, the PMM is simply not correctly connected to the 220v network

What is the right way then? Outside the city, the tension jumps. the boiler is switched on via a stabilizer. for PMM, the husband wants to bring it out separately from the meter and also put a stabilizer. (or put one on the whole house)

No, I don’t say that, I have an Electrolux and it has been working quietly from 170v to 230v for more than 5 years. This unconfirmed rumor passed at one time, it seems like it was in the same line.

litter .. just remember that this was discussed ...

what does it mean

not correctly connected to the 220v network

what is the correctness of "plugging into the socket"? litter for the tautology ..

What is the right way then?

Without extension cords, preferably a separate branch, it is very good through the stub. 5-8 kW