Choosing a dishwasher

[makabusha]

makabusha I already wrote about Minel -
Used FRAU GRETTA tablets -
I found bad reviews about Claro, but I didn't use it myself.
And I looked at the prices in foreign online stores for dishwasher products - more expensive than ours, as well as transportation.
Minel is cheap and good enough.

about Claro gave good reviews Sense.

I'll try, if it's not profitable, then of course I won't. It's just that in my city you can find only Domol from the more or less recommended. Everything else is still to be ordered from somewhere via the Internet. Minel is only in the Metro, we don't have it .. this is perhaps sometime by accident .. by car ... I will be on a business trip in Kiev .. there will be time and the driver will agree to call at the Metro, and I will first find someone's card .. and this tool will be available ... in short, these chances are zero ..
there is only DENKMIT on the Internet at Kidstaff .. it is carried by girls with parcels from Germany .. which means there is a good price somewhere .. you can search for yourself and I will get a price without organizing fees ..
But all this thinking .. I have to look ... if I find something interesting for the price - I will unsubscribe here ..

And I really liked the Finish Quantrum tablets

Girls. can I come to you too? Thanks to "Mcooker", I became the owner of this miracle - PMM "Beko" 1530 (built-in "). It's crazy, but there is still a problem with the choice of means for washing. The store advised" Robot "7-1. Maybe someone used it? And another question: if 7-1, is no rinse needed?

Girls. can I come to you too? Thanks to "Mcooker", I became the owner of this miracle - PMM "Beko" 1530 (built-in "). It's crazy, but there is still a problem with the choice of means for washing. The store advised" Robot "7-1. Maybe someone used it? And another question: if 7-1, is no rinse needed?

I hear about a robot for the first time ... maybe experienced PMM users will tell you something

Good day. I had a Robot - I didn't like it, it washes dishes badly

In a month, I almost ran out of a bottle of rinse aid and 2 kg of salt (narrow machine) ...
Is it okay?

I have had a PMM for 5 years now - a full-size Bosch - and a daily dishwashing. A bottle of rinse aid (0.5l) is enough for 4-5 months, one load of salt into the container is also enough. Moreover, we have very hard water (artesian) and the hardness is almost closer to the maximum. Powder takes about 1kg for a month.

Dear girls, now I have an assistant !!! Thanks to you I chose the car (BOSCH SPS 53E02 RU), and now THANK YOU for your feedback within your means. I will search, experiment

Today I bought the FINISH salt .. how I didn’t want to mess with this "firm" ... BUT ... I had to .. the choice was between Finish and Somat ... Somat - small .. poured out of the box .. did not take it. .. I read a lot of complaints in this thread EXACTLY about fine salt ... I "shook" the box with Finish - it seemed that there was coarse salt .. that's why I took it!

[Yplon]

There is such a coarse salt for PMM 4 kg in a box Yplon-
If you see such salt - take it, you will not regret it. Inside the package, salt is packaged in 1 kg and salt in large crystals and 1 kg is enough for a long time. Their powder is not ice, the rinse is so-so. And here is the salt.

If you see such salt - take it, you will not regret it. Inside the package, salt is packaged in 1 kg and salt in large crystals and 1 kg is enough for a long time. Their powder is not ice, the rinse is so-so. And here is the salt.

Light, which store did you take?

I find him in some kind of eternally left-handed household chemical stores. In large markets it is not.

Girls and guys, I will tell you about their dishwashing detergents at PMM. I'll start with the fact that I have an assistant for about a month
I started with Calgonit 3in1 tablets, aka Finish, I didn’t buy it, since I’ve already read your reviews, but my MCH’s mother accidentally had a pack of 96 tablets lying around, although there was no PMM in it. Well, I bought the first best salt in the nearest store, chose that it was coarse (not fine), and there was also a rinse agent there from some unknown company.
Well, we washed the dishes like this and will wash a little more.
But since I, thanks to you, know that the gel is better, I went to Macro (Metro) and, thinking for a long time and choosing, I made an ingenious choice:
5 liters of Macro brand detergent for 7 euros (well, it is designed for restaurants), 5 liters of rinse aid for 8 euros (and only then I read that 0.5 liters of it is enough for six months) and 5 kilograms of salt for 2.5 euros (also large, let it be).
Why am I writing all this: unfortunately, I still cannot say anything about salt and rinse aid, since the funds that were previously poured in and filled in are not over yet
but I tried the gel, it washes at its price very well, I tried it on a short program, and there is no such pungent smell as after the tablets: wall: in principle, there is no smell at all. So I am very happy with the purchase, because at first I thought: it won't fit, I will throw it away, not big losses, but how well everything turned out

Flaksia, you have a lot of salt, I have 1 kg for 3 months.

Flaksia, you have a lot of salt, I have 1 kg for 3 months.

Not the word - a lot .. PMM is eating it straight.

Flaksia, you have a lot of salt, I have 1 kg for 3 months.

Here girls have 2 packs of salt for a month! .. so that's not much!

I fell asleep my first 1 kg of salt back in August.
The salt sensor blinked for the first time only last week!
That is, 1 kg for 7 months!
That's what soft water means, salt is at a minimum.

Girls .. yesterday they finally connected PMM to me (they played for 4.5 hours) .. I poured a liter of water, filled in salt (I took Finish - a box of 1.5 kg - since it turned out to be large) .. and so the question arose .. After pouring the water HOW MUCH salt to pour ... Until the water flows out or until the salt is at the top of the neck? I read that ... but I do not remember where it was already, because I read the WHOLE topic about PMM ... 1 kg of salt was able to fall asleep and the water began to pour out ...
And yet ... we started the machine yesterday after connecting .. I loaded it there (just don't laugh) into a full-sized one - 4 mugs, 1 plate, 1 saucer, 1 cow parsnip, spoons / forks / knives and a plastic bucket - so ... in the morning my husband gave me: "Why, can't I put more dishes?" .... .. I answer with a sensible air .... first you need to adjust so that the soap is good ... I had nothing more to say ... ...

Well, okay, this is all prehistory .. so everything was washed well, except for the plate .. There were white spots on it (like limescale) - which even then just didn't wash under the tap ... in the morning I read the instructions ... it is either salt or rinse aid, BUT ... I washed it with a 3 in 1 product .. the salt is set at 4 (hard water) .. What assumptions? Could there be such a plaque due to the lack of rinse aid?

[* Anyuta *]

* Anyuta * Congratulations on connecting your assistant. My husband gave me on NG, so I can no longer imagine how I used to do without her. I read somewhere that when there is not enough rinse aid, white stains appear. I use everything separately, I also read that in addition to being cheaper, it is also more effective and you can customize all the supply of detergents.
If the water is hard, maybe there is not enough salt? : pardon: The settings are set for medium water hardness.

[* Anyuta *]

* Anyuta * Congratulations on connecting your assistant. My husband gave me on NG, so I can no longer imagine how I used to do without her. I read somewhere that when there is not enough rinse aid, white stains appear. I use everything separately, I also read that in addition to being cheaper, it is also more effective and you can customize all the supply of detergents for yourself.
If the water is hard, maybe there is not enough salt? : pardon: The setting is set for medium water hardness.

Thank you! tormented her men for a week!

My rigidity is 4 out of 5 ... And there were no streaks .. just like drops, only the contour of these drops is like limescale!

Yes, I forgot, I also poured about a kg of salt until the water poured out of the neck.
Have you already bought the pills? Or was it a trial? Maybe it will be better with other means?
I have salt, powder and a finish rinse, just when I bought the PM I did not find any other means, there are no pritenzy, it washes everything off with a bang, nothing has changed in the PM installations. The PM is full-sized, I pour the powder along the lower division, it says 15, I load it completely.

Yes, I forgot, I also poured about a kg of salt until water poured out of the neck.
Have you already bought the pills? Or was it a trial? Maybe it will be better with other means?

.. I washed 3 in 1 .. salt is set at 4 (hard water) .. What assumptions? Could there be such a plaque due to the lack of rinse aid?

So the salt is still not to "pour the neck", and until the water flows?

you can add half a glass of salt, but then you will have to add it every time. I pour it until it starts to get enough sleep, that is, "with a hill" - enough for a long time

you can add half a glass of salt, but then you will have to add it every time. I pour it until it starts to get enough sleep, that is, "with a hill" - enough for a long time

understood, Light! Thank you! So today I will empty the whole box to the end

girls, and someone used such a mean? Haro

[Bunny]

Bunny, washes well, but the smell is so chemical when you open the car to take out the dishes. Protein stains from broth on pots does not take. Over time, whitish-iridescent stains appeared on glass glasses, which cannot be washed off. I will not take these pills anymore.

[Bunny]

Bunny, washes well, but the smell is so chemical when you open the car to take out the dishes. Protein stains from broth on pots does not take. Over time, whitish-iridescent stains appeared on glass glasses, which cannot be washed off. I will not take these pills anymore.

oops ... and I bought today ...
Well, I'll know now. The price is too attractive - about 7 cents one tablet comes out ... profitable!
Before these tablets, I used Indesit powder and tablets - protein stains are also not washed off. And the smell is also not Akhtetsky. And now my dishwasher freshener is dangling - it smells strongly of lemon ...

And today I also bought 2 packs of Finish gel, 650 grams each. came out for $ 5 packing. ok like ...

Although, Indesite I soap pots on an accelerated wash for 31 minutes. Maybe this is my mistake?

Yesterday I bought Claro powder in Auchan ... a rinse aid from some other company ... while I am writing you a message, PMM is testing new products ... .. And for the 4th time in a row I start washing with so many dishes that it’s easy to laugh! .. As always .... 2 mugs .. 2 plates .. fork / spoon .. well, and something else ... And my conscience, well, NOTHING "does not torment me" ... .... it's easier for me at first all the same, to choose the "correct" filling of the PMM (means), than after the PMM to wash the HORSE of dishes ...

I have been taking Claro for a long time, the powder is mediocre, for daily washing it is the most. But initially it is better to wash all the dishes in the house with tablets or calgonite powder (finish). They are vigorous and wash out old dirt better. But even then they will not succumb to the age-old dirt from the first time.

Yes, I’m already thinking ... that the dishes of soap are not as good as the PMM ...: girl_in_dreams: what I don’t wash, I didn’t wash the PMM either ...

My dishwasher rests until summer, when there are a lot of vegetables and preparations, it washes well baking trays from the dryer of vegetables and so on ...

I'm tired of dealing with stains on dishes, they are not washed with ANYTHING !!!! No simple or high-class means I spent several months to manually clean the stains and whiteness from the dishes
Now mine only by hand! I try to wash all the dishes at once, as they form in the sink - but really clean dishes

Anh, all the dirt will be washed off gradually. She didn't grow it overnight. A week later, I looked like in a mirror in my pans. But the cups and plates immediately became visible, so you can't wash it with your hands.

We once went on a visit and I took salads with me, etc. And then they returned my dishes to me, and so the PMM washes better. and I also remembered that I used to scrub with a toothbrush on the cups near the handle, but now I used to clean the cups. And the pots, well, I'm just proud. And the main thing is that the PMM washes, not me.

My dishwasher rests until summer, when there are a lot of vegetables and preparations, it washes well baking trays from the vegetable dryer and so on ...

I'm tired of dealing with stains on dishes, they are not washed with ANYTHING !!!! No simple or high-class means I spent several months to manually clean the stains and whiteness from the dishes

And what kind of PMM? I once had it, the divorces went whitish. First, I increased the rinse aid. Then I changed it to another bottle - and the stains disappeared. And, even increased the rigidity. Something like that .
In general, I'd rather live with divorces, endure, than wash with my hands.

I agree, everything was thoroughly washed, but PMM washes better, and most importantly, without my participation. : yahoo: I hate to stand at the sink

I also hate washing dishes, especially jars. And I also set the salt to the maximum for electronic tuning. No divorces.

Girls, can anyone help! I have water from a well, very hard. For a couple of months, after the purchase, the PMM was toiled with the notorious drops and a rough bloom. I tried everything possible. I have the perfect combination: final grinding tablets + conditioner for 5 + maximum salt.

And what kind of PMM?
In general, I'd rather live with divorces, endure, than wash with my hands.

Bosch (Siemens?) I always confuse them. The stains are clearly visible on colored and transparent dishes, and it takes a lot of work to wash them. Therefore, clean dishes are more dear to me than with stains. Moreover, I do not do so much of it, but it is pleasant and expensive to watch

And I don't like the smell from the dishwasher, no, it doesn't stink, but it smells of chemistry. Maybe someone knows why? There are no complaints about the quality of washing, but if you take out the dishes with wet hands, then the feeling that there is soap residue on the dishes

if the dishes are pulled out with wet hands, then the feeling that there is soap residue on the dishes

Quite right Flaxia wrote, in this case - reduce the amount of detergent. I noticed that there is more often such a phenomenon with overfilling of powder. If I use it with gel, then I somehow got used to it - and the quality of the sink suits me.

and most of all I hate washing forks ... BRRR!

And I generally hate washing all the dishes. And at the expense of the smell, then after the pills Finish he always was. And I switched to gel and there is no smell

My water is hard .. I set it to 4 .. the rinse aid has 6 positions ... so far I ran it with a hardness of 4 and rinse aid from 1 to 6 ... and it seems to me that the dishes are washed at all rinse aid levels relatively the same .. BUT ... when there are more dishes, then the dishes are washed better .... So now I will try to rearrange the hardness of the salt to 5 out of 5 and run the programs with rinse aid from 1 to 6 ...
By the way, on Friday I was in Auchan ...
here is our approximate assortment ...

I didn't even take a picture of the pills .. because I was not going to buy them
But what I bought myself ...

I already had salt filled in (the finish was large) .. but on the advice of Fugaski I bought a little more salt (for 48 re) and added salt to the maximum .. about I fit Total 2.5 kg (1 kg finish + 1.5 kg sanitizer) ...
I was Oooo very pleased with the powder .. or rather its weight ...

.. for a long time I could not find the manufacturer on the box with the powder .. so, by the way, I didn’t find it .. looked at the freshener of the same company - made in Austria ... The rinse aid is also produced from the EU countries ...
While I was taking everything that was cheaper .. because I want to compare the assortment and prices in Kharkov ..

[Anyuta]

Girls and I to you with a report. Yesterday I bought Tyron salt (Turkey) and Finish gel all in one. What can I say ..... glass (glasses, salad bowls) washed perfectly - not a drop of streaks, not stains. The grater has darkened a little in places - probably it makes no sense to put it in the car. The spoons sparkle. But the pots, I didn’t clean them for a week, and the ceramic form, after the potato casserole with milk, almost didn’t wash at all. Soaps on the longest wash 2 hours 20 and 70 degrees. Conclusion: a long program with such a means as a dead poultice is a waste of time and energy. It can be seen that more vigorous means are needed for dirty dishes, I think I'll buy Somat powder. In general, it's great that she washed everything herself, but I'm still waiting for a miracle and transformation of my ancient pots.

Anyuta, congratulations on your shopping!

Admin, have you tried to wash with gel? My dishes are all dark and there have been no stains.

[Anyuta]

Anyuta, congratulations on your shopping!

Thank you .. but I, on the contrary, liked the long program more ... The grater, by the way, also washed yesterday ... So it was smartly cleaned from me ... because it’s a triangular shape .. but I couldn’t go there at the top wash ....

I only use powder, the gel does not wash the pots, and all the pots just shine with cleanliness, but at first I put them on every wash. Now I've washed my own, I'm taking my mothers to the sink.

[* Anyuta *]

* Anyuta *I bought myself the same set in Auchan, only I still took powder of the same brand as the rinse aid, though I didn’t use any of them, because I’m not finished yet. (Stocked up for a year in advance) So, what is This is me, I have Germany on the powder of Claro.
I use my eco program or an automatic one, I haven’t even washed it once on a short one, and I’m going to the timer for the night so that I’m just washed it in the morning. Immediately disassemble.

[* Anyuta *]

* Anyuta *I bought myself the same set in Auchan, only I still took powder of the same brand as the rinse aid, though I didn’t use any of them, because I’m not finished yet. (Stocked up for a year in advance) So, what is This is me, I have Germany on the powder of Claro.
I use my eco program or an automatic one, I haven’t even washed it once on a short one, and I’m going to the timer for the night so that I’m just washed it in the morning. Immediately disassemble.

Natasha, there are a lot of questions at once ...
1. What is your PMM?
2. What is the water hardness / how much is the water hardness set?
3. How long was the rinse aid set?

I have a Bosch SMS 63N02, I don’t know what water hardness, there were no test strips. The settings remained at the factory, nothing changed. When the master installed the PM, I asked him about the stiffness and the opacifier, he said do not change anything, these settings are suitable for our area. I don’t even know how much they are exposed, the instructions were written somewhere. How I get home, I can look and write.

I read that some individuals use water with citric acid instead of a rinse aid or dilute apple cider vinegar in half with water. Like so less chemistry turns out. Well, maybe it is ... but on the other hand, how is it for the PM itself?
And yet, when the machine was first started, salt was poured, but the water was not poured into the compartment beforehand. If you open the tray now, then the salt is dry, should it be?