Choosing a dishwasher

Exactly! I just read to the point where the question was discussed "why do I need powder if the machine washes well with water". When I plugged in the machine and unscrewed the sewer ... ugh! I don’t want such a badge to start up in my brand new typewriter. Modern fat is somehow strange, when it solidifies, it begins to stretch like a silicone film, only dissolves with boiling water. I think that you can wash the tins and then immediately load the dishes (which will just get rid of the eaten cupcakes) Then the powder will wash away the dirt that has not had time to get old Thank you, calmed down

Well, from some of the molds, the car will not get anything, how much of that fat is there ... then the dishes with powder will be washed as always. Washing pots and plates without powder and constantly is a different matter.

In our house, the plates are licked clean, it is possible not only without powder - you can not wash at all There is exactly one difficulty with the molds: in the corners of the ornament there are microcrumbs or droplets of oil from the cupcakes, which have to be picked out long and tediously. It is because of this that I bought three even forms and baked mostly round muffins. And so you want to buy "roses" and bake in them

In our house, the plates are licked clean, it is possible not only without powder - you can not wash at all There is exactly one difficulty with the molds: in the corners of the ornament there are microcrumbs or droplets of oil from the cupcakes, which have to be picked out long and tediously. It is because of this that I bought three even forms and baked mostly round muffins. And so I want to buy "roses" and bake in them

I have single silicone molds for cupcakes with a hole inside and waves on the sides, fat and crumbs also remain after baking, once I put them neatly in the upper basket and let's wash ... after a couple of minutes I opened them to look and they scattered all over the basket up with tacks, well, I pulled them and wash them since then with my hands, if you fasten each one ... then well them.

I was staying with my sister and in the dishwasher with all the dishes they threw a curly silicone mat, which is not for hot dishes, but put in the sink. So this rug was originally white, lace. Well, very beautiful. I repeat - I got it - it turned orange and twisted. After this incident, I only wash my rugs by hand.

Well, it's easier for me, on the forms + 260C it says They are made in the form of a sheet with recesses for cupcakes, baptism of fire passed, got spotting from berries and jam. Therefore, it is not a pity if the color changes again. If only this "wax" coating of fat was washed off. I will attach them to the basket with clothespins

I washed the molds and the food processor from dried-on non-fatty foods. I put the forms on the pins - they did not fly away. Great! Only two notches were not washed, apparently I put them crookedly.

Until I got to Domola, or rather to the store where you can buy. But somehow I didn’t like the Finish powder. All glassware became cloudy. Cupronickel darkened - and how I was pleased with the washing and its shine! Salt, softening agent in PMM - everything is present and set on the scale. I switched back to Somat gel. I immediately drew attention to cupronickel - everything began to gradually brighten.

Hello, here's how I bought an Electrolux 45050 dishwasher for two days, I have a question like this, there are two switching modes: 3-in-1 tablets and powder (in the "powder" mode, the salt and rinse aid supply is programmatically disabled), which mode should I use if I use powder, which in theory is identical to 9 in 1 tablets? The powder was sampled by the cheapest Gretta.
I don’t use rinse aid, what is the best way to turn it off (this is possible programmatically) or leave the factory setting?
The salt fell asleep, the switch is in mode 1, program 2, we have soft water.

I bought a Japanese pooshok, the reviews are good, I use it for a month .
Dishes in my kitchen Luminark black and white set did not find a picture, probably removed from sales.
In general, I began to notice that the white cups from the inside with a bloom from tea, their Japanese remedy does not wash
Turned on cycle with German - cups shine again! And there are no complaints about the rest of the white dishes - salad bowls, plates, saucers

Japanese remedy
Turned on cycle with German - cups shine again!

German is what?

Yes Finish! I have one - without the inscription "colgonite", in a white package and with an inclined glass

And I didn't like the finish. I took it in a yellow package. Not only is the glass all cloudy after washing, and the plaque from coffee and tea is not washed off at all. I switched back to Somat-gel. Here with him washing dishes, or rather - the result is very pleasing.

Natasha, it looks like it depends on the hardness of the water, Japan won’t work

And I didn't like the Finish, I want to try Somat again when Domol is over

[aunt Besya]

Exactly, aunt Besya, I immediately thought about rigidity. We have very hard water.
And I want to try Domol, but in our Watson they round their eyes at me when I asked about the gel. They say: Domol produces only powder. In general, I have been looking for dishwasher products for a very long time. The finish line is pretty often, and the rest - "in the afternoon with fire".

I like the domol, and the price is also his, about the gel ... somehow I did not pay attention, you will need to look at us.

We have Domol only powder and two types of pills, I have never seen a gel.

I use powder + conditioner + salt. Recently I switched to the German Minel "Compact", I buy it in Metro, the pack is soft (p / e), bright turquoise color, in a package of 2 kg, it costs about 450 rubles per package ... I have not seen the best product , and in 5 years I have tried a lot. This PMM powder is directly shiny, the dishes are clean, no deposits (my dishes are all pure white), I already use the second package (they are so heavy, one is enough for a long time), I am very pleased.

I use powder + conditioner + salt. Recently I switched to the German Minel "Compact", I buy it in Metro, the pack is soft (p / e), bright turquoise color, in a package of 2 kg, it costs about 450 rubles per package ... I have not seen the best product , and in 5 years I had time to try a lot. This PMM powder is directly shiny, the dishes are clean, no deposits (my dishes are all pure white), I already use the second package (they are so heavy, one is enough for a long time), I am very pleased.

I use tablets from this company Minel, they are the cheapest and the best, and I have tried everything that is on sale. A pack of 60 tablets costs $ 5. We do not have the powder on sale, there are only tablets and salt from this company.

[Pills]

I continue to scoff I was in Auchan and Magnet, in addition to those already listed above, I found others. I was not too lazy to rewrite
Pills:
1) Top house 6-in-1, 2) Olinka 3-in-1, 3) CleanOk 5-in-1, 4) Forsege 10-in-1, 5) Aqua Bell, 6) Sun, 7) Ludwik, 8) Claro 7-in-1.
Powders:
1) Bravix, 2) Claro, 3) Ludwik, 4) Sun.
Rinse aids:
1) Bravix, 2) Sun, 3) CleanOk, 4) Ludwik.
Salt:
1) Sanit, 2) Claro.
And how can I - a full teapot - choose among these multi-colored packages ?! I counted 60 different bags and boxes!

I recalculated the unit cost of 1 gram (milliliter) of the product right in the store, looked at what was marked in the notebook as “buy” and “not buy”, and chose the following: Sanit salt 2 kg at 47p05k each, Bravix powder 2 kg at 297p00k each, Bravix rinse 500ml for 71r00k. Right or wrong - the future will tell. The powder says "contains active oxygen". I hope that the cheapest salt is not much worse than Kalgonit's salt (which is 90 re for 1.5 kege). Here .... tomorrow I will go to screw the purchased pipes and adapters. Before that, you can have time to warn me that I bought the garbage, then I will not fill it in the PMM.

Hello Wasp! I would like to know your opinion about the purchased funds. Apart from the finish line, I did not find anything here and I bought it in M ​​video 2.5 kg for 700 rubles.also their salt and softening agent, I think that you can buy something cheaper. I visit Krasnodar quite often, I almost always stop by at Auchan, and I often run O Kay. I thought to look for a remedy there. And where did you buy it? Thanks in advance for your reply!

[Pills:]

Hello Wasp! I would like to know your opinion about the purchased funds. And where did you buy it?

Hello! So you don't even need to leave Adygea - in Megovsky Ashan everything is there and the prices are the lowest! True, I was not there in the new year, and last, in December, I came. Prices are 3-5 rubles lower than in Auchan near the SBS. So, I bought: Sanit salt 2kg for 47r5k (Russia), powder (2kg, 297r56k) and rinse agent (500ml, 71r65k) Bravix (like Germany). The powder doesn't smell very much like chemistry and washes well. I poured it into a plastic bottle (so that active oxygen does not come out of it) and now I pour about 1 cork into the PMM dispenser. I set the rinse aid to 4 (otherwise, after a time, streaks remained on the smoky glass). The machine ate exactly 1 kg of salt, the test strip showed that the water was very soft, so I set the salt to 1.
Everything is washed to a squeak and crunch, especially glass. What does not wash well - pieces of burnt jam and sugar from silicone molds, but I wash them without powder. Finish tablets from the dishwasher kit are lying around.
Last year data for Krasnodar:

Pills:	pcs / g / ml	cost of packaging, rub	price, rub / unit
Frau Gretta 9-in-1.	30	123	4,1
CleanOk 5-in-1	28	158	5,642857143
Clean & Fresh,	4	22,9	5,725
O'Key,	60	349	5,816666667
Olinka 3-in-1	16	96,55	6,034375
Aqua bell	10	60,75	6,075
FeedBack,	60	379	6,316666667
Lotta Premium 7-in-1,	60	379	6,316666667
Forsege 10-in-1	36	258	7,166666667
Ludwik	30	235,2	7,84
Greenfield	16	131,9	8,24375
Sun	30	271,3	9,043333333
Top house 6-in-1	16	151,55	9,471875
Ikeep all-in-1,	28	309	11,03571429
Claro 7-in-1	28	333,15	11,89821429
Finish all-in-1	70	904	12,91428571
Finish Quantum	50	655	13,1
Finish all-in-1	56	739	13,19642857
Finish all-in-1	28	378,05	13,50178571
Finish Quantum	40	559	13,975
Sun	20	287,1	14,355
Dish Drops tab.	60	893	14,88333333
Finish Quantum	25	378,05	15,122
Finish	70	1090,6	15,58
Finish Power Ball	28	521	18,60714286
Ecover	25	499,5	19,98
Sodasan,	25	629,3	25,172
Powders:
Claro	3000	348,9	0,1163
Ludwik	2800	335,9	0,119964286
Sun	3000	441,4	0,147133333
Bravix	2000	297	0,1485
Frau Gretta 9-in-1	1000	177,9	0,1779
Somat (soda effect)	2500	459	0,1836
Finish	2500	490,8	0,19632
Finish	1500	294,8	0,196533333
Finish classic	1000	229	0,229
Finish with lemon	1000	229	0,229
Crystal Fix	1000	391,8	0,3918
Dish Drops	1400	560	0,4
Sodasan	1000	643,9	0,6439
Rinsers:
Bravix	500	71	0,142
Ludwik	750	108	0,144
CleanOk	500	77	0,154
Luxus	1000	223,6	0,2236
Sun	750	168	0,224
Frau Gretta 2-in-1.	400	98,9	0,24725
Calgonite (Finish shine + express)	800	219	0,27375
Finish	400	112	0,28
Calgonite (Finish gloss + drying)	800	262,8	0,3285
Sodasan Bio	1000	629,3	0,6293
Gels:
Finish	1300	774	0,595384615
Finish	1300	980,45	0,754192308
Salt:
Sanit	2000	47,05	0,023525
Calgonite	1500	90,4	0,060266667
Finish	1500	125,3	0,083533333
Claro	1000	150,85	0,15085

Where and what exactly is from this entire list, you can try to recover from previous messages, or write to the LAN, I can find my notebook.

I use tablets from this company Minel, they are the cheapest and the best, and I have tried everything that is on sale. A pack of 60 tablets costs $ 5. We do not have the powder on sale, there are only tablets and salt from this company.

Wow, the price difference We have 60 tablets of the same product cost approx. 15 $

Wow, the price difference We have 60 tablets of the same product cost approx. 15 $

I put half a pill, generally saving. A pack of 2 kg Minel salt - a little less than $ 3, good, recently the price for it was almost doubled.

Has anyone tried the Belgian Actiff?

I heard from a lady at the All-Russian Exhibition Center that you can wash dishes in PMM with ordinary baking soda. We load a full container and that's it.
I took a chance, tried it - very much even nothing. Yes, there was no crunch in the dishes, but everything was completely washed off. I looked for information on the internet, and found like-minded people.
Has anyone else used baking soda at PMM?

Has anyone else used baking soda at PMM?

I once bought Somat powder and it seemed to me that there was almost half of the soda.
Purely for fun, sifted through a fine sieve and got naked ordinary soda.
Now, when I collect non-delicate things in PMM, then washing with this soda is excellent.
The powder after sifting by itself also washes everything out with a bang.
Somata soda has a wonderful price
I think it will be badged with baking soda.

I once bought Somat powder and it seemed to me that there was almost half of the soda.
Purely for fun, sifted through a fine sieve and got naked ordinary soda.
Now when I collect non-delicate things in PMM, then washing with this soda is excellent.
The powder after sifting by itself also washes everything out with a bang.
Somata soda has a wonderful price
I think it will be badged with baking soda.

And it is possible in more detail: how was it determined that exactly soda was eliminated?
PS: I don’t come, it’s interesting from the point of view of banal analytical chemistry

Or in more detail: how was it determined that exactly soda was eliminated?
PS: I don’t come, it’s interesting from the point of view of banal analytical chemistry

I wrote that I am 100% sure?
I wrote - what I think / it seemed that half of the powder was soda.
The package itself says - soda effect, but so much soda

Those who are especially interested can gain confidence or other results by doing a chemical analysis, and I just changed the powder to another one, because the somat washes very aggressively, and for that kind of money there are even better powders.

[julifera]

julifera, sorry that the question sounded harshly. It just became really interesting .... I got caught in the phrase

I once bought Somat powder and it seemed to me that there was almost half of the soda.
Purely for fun, sifted through a fine sieve and got naked ordinary soda.

Still, continuing to pester: did you mean the amount of powder that is similar in structure to soda? Or also by smell?
Why am I - I have just started the container is worth it and there is a great desire to start sowing))) But I won't stop - I will check with improvised means))) Sometimes I'm not boring, and even worse)))
And then our somat is the best price / quality ratio. So I thought: if you have already checked, maybe try to pour clean soda instead of powder)))

And - if not a secret - what did you change the somat for?

similar in structure to soda? Or also by smell

And - if it's not a secret - what did you change the somat for? [/ List]

The structure of soda, and the smell there is common to all - the smell of perfume.
Of course, I could try to pour acid and look at the reaction, but the desire to arrange checks did not stink, there was a persistent feeling that they were making a fool, because the somat is sold in this form - take it pour it pour it in marks.
I changed it to Domol, it is sealed, and the reviews about it were good.

Good. day. Someone has seen DENKMIT. Germany.
I plan to buy. Found in the same place (* com * ua) and grinding the pills.

Good. day. Someone saw Germany.
I plan to buy. Found in the same place (* com * ua) and grinding the pills.

I took from Kidstaff, and DENKMIT powder and tablets. I like it, powder for short programs, and I use pills for cars.

Recently I switched to the German Minel "Compact", I buy it in Metro, the pack is soft (p / e), bright turquoise color, in a package of 2 kg, it costs something about 450 rubles per package ... I have not seen a better product. , and in 5 years I had time to try a lot. This PMM powder makes it shiny, the dishes are clean, there are no deposits (my dishes are all pure white), I already use the second package (they are so heavy, one is enough for a long time), I am very pleased.

Thank you very much for the tip. Of everything that we have tried (and we are trying together with our friends, so as not to buy a large pack of powder and then throw it into a distant box if you don’t like it, we buy and share one pack for everyone), but in this case the situation is different. After the test, each ran to herself and bought a pack. The powder is really wonderful: it washes super, after it there is absolutely no smell on the dishes, stains, the dishes creak from cleanliness. It's great that there is a site where you can get really necessary information.

Dmitriy.
Are you strained with shops? Does this happen now?

Shop as a place with choice? No, there are none. The city is provincial. I ordered a German powder, so I'm waiting, but for now the tablets are one by one.

Hello! The question arose of choosing detergents for PM. I decided to buy Somat. Went shopping today
and I am at a loss: in "Silpo" Somat soda effect costs 92 UAH 2.5 kg; in "Lotos" -144 g 2.5 kg.
On the packaging, the barcode is the same (90 or 900). I don’t understand where the dog is buried ??? So which one to take then ???
Maybe go to Auchan or order DENKMIT at Kidstaf?
Who uses Somat, please tell me.

[V @ lentina]

V @ lentina There are reviews on the previous page.
And about Somata and about DENKMIT

[V @ lentina]

V @ lentina There are reviews on the previous page.
And about Somata and about DENKMIT

I read the responses, I wonder why there is such a difference in price in stores.

Who uses Somat, please tell me.

Valentina, I use Somat. But I like the gel better. And for the price I will say - I bought the gel for 100 UAH, then a month later it began to be found in stores for 70-60 UAH. They explained that they were selling them. I went to the Metro, and there the price is 90 UAH and the packaging is already 2013, a slightly modified design. This means that the issue, the expiration date, probably affect the pricing policy. I think so.

Lucky you, you have shops.

Shop as a place with choice? No, there are none. The city is provincial. I ordered a German powder, so I'm waiting, but for now the tablets are one by one.

Well, in principle, I'm also from a sooo deep province, but somehow I'm used to doing everything so unusual: pardon: as for a village, purchases abroad, or in the regional center and with a reserve for half a year, so that's it. It's just that now I live abroad, that's why it's easier with shops, and with a choice, respectively.

I read the responses, I wonder why there is such a difference in price in stores.

So do not be surprised, each store has a different volume of purchases of goods, they cooperate with different suppliers, different systems of discounts and of course we must not forget rent, wages and how much the store wants to earn. Not always what is cheaper is a fake, just what is more expensive .. maybe - the price is increased. Look at the quality and integrity of the packaging and feel free to buy where it is cheaper

As a result of her searches and doubts, Domol bought it. Salt, rinse aid and powder costs 131g, plus the "Watsons" store gave a discount card and a discount coupon of 15g
Yesterday I loaded my Boska with all this and the result made me VERY pleased: the dishes are dry, clean and there is no that disgusting thermonuclear
groin, as when washing with Finish tablets, which came with the machine.
Many thanks to everyone, thanks to this forum I made, I hope, the right choice.
I will also buy Somat gel and try it out.

I will also share my impressions of the means for PMM. I have a Bosch (narrow, fully built-in), we have been operating for more than 4 months. At the very beginning, we bought Minel products from METRO (powder, salt, rinse aid). Since there was nothing to compare - the result was fine, only a little strained by the chemical smell remaining after washing. When the powder ran out, they decided to compare - try something else ... and bought Somat (((both powder and salt, rinse aid bought Finish (it turned out to have the most neutral smell). Well, I'll tell you: they got rid of the chemical smell , but now the dishes stopped washing AT ALL !!!! I was even wildly scared at first - I thought my machine grunted (((((. Finish pills - to check if the truth has suddenly deteriorated.
: mail1: So test results:
Minel powder and salt - super consumption with daily use - exactly three months 2 kg packaging
Minel mouthwash - good, but stinky, consumption is the same
Somat powder -: mad: in the trash
Finish rinse - good because it is odorless, but for me, stains still remain on the plastic
The finish of the pill is not yet clear

We decided on the powder. But so that there is no smell and the dishes shine, I share my experience. Believe me, I spent not a single hour on various forums, I even visited chemists. So: 10 grams of citric acid per 100 ml of water. Stir and pour into the rinse aid container. In my experience, this is the best remedy.

Thank you very much for the tip.Of everything that we have tried (and we are trying together with our friends, so as not to buy a large pack of powder and then throw it into a distant box if you don’t like it, we buy and share one pack for everyone), but in this case the situation is different. After the test, each ran to herself and bought a pack. The powder is really wonderful: it washes super, after it there is absolutely no smell on the dishes, stains, the dishes creak from cleanliness. It's great that there is a site where you can get really necessary information.

Could you take a picture of what your powder looks like .. and write down the price?
I just recently bought a PMM and it's not even worth it yet (we need to redraw the kitchen utensils, and our furniture maker got sick, we are waiting for his recovery) .. but immediately thought about funds for the PMM and went into this topic ..
It so happened that I now often organize joint purchases from Germany on the forum .. now I decided to buy cutlery because of the appearance of PMM (I now have cupronickel, but it is expensive to buy from us) .. now I think about funds for PMM .. I want to ventilate what good money can be bought from Germany at prices much cheaper than in Ukraine ..
Well, here's one option for the search is already there .. maybe some more .. just German?

Recently I switched to the German Minel "Compact", I buy it in Metro, the pack is soft (p / e), bright turquoise color, in a package of 2 kg, it costs something about 450 rubles per package ... I have not seen a better product.

Unfortunately, I won't be able to take a picture, but I read it from Oksyusha and rushed to the Metro with this description. There is not so much choice there to be found.

Better yet, type in the Minel "Compact" name in the search engine and it will be displayed for you.

Well, I made a small list:
1. Claro, Austria
2. FRAU GRETTA, Germany
3. Fine Dreaming, Metro Cash & Carry International, Dusseldorf, Germany.
4. Minel "Compact", Germany
5. DENKMIT, Germany.

It seems that according to reviews these are the means that have proven themselves well .. and I will look for them ...
Maybe there are some amendments to the list?

Unfortunately, I won't be able to take a picture, but I read it from Oksyusha and rushed to the Metro with this description. There is not so much choice there to be found.

The salt is over
The powder is just great and economical
I have been using it every day {with rare exceptions} since September - right now, only the pack ends.
But I have a tabletop dishwasher - I adjust the amount of the product according to its fullness, often I put half a measuring spoon

[makabusha]

makabusha I already wrote about Minel -
Used FRAU GRETTA tablets -
I found bad reviews about Claro, but I didn't use it myself.
And I looked at the prices in foreign online stores for dishwasher products - more expensive than ours, as well as transportation.
Minel is cheap and good enough.