Choosing a dishwasher

Girls, thank you for your answers. Unfortunately, there are no such gels in our village. I still have my mother's - an old saucepan and a couple of aluminum cups, which after washing in the dishwasher became terrible. And the meat grinder is new, so I don't want to carry out experiments on it. It's a shame ...

In a month, I almost ran out of a bottle of rinse aid and 2 kg of salt (narrow machine) ...
Is it okay?
Today I put the rinse aid at 3, I'll try to save ...
But I don’t understand how to change the salt ... There is nothing about this in the instructions, no notches on the hole are visible ... It’s as it was installed at the factory.
True, I do 3 downloads a day. It doesn't work less.
I'm surprised even how someone assembles a typewriter for days ...

By the way, I've already tried two eco-friendly detergents - the result is excellent !!!

I bought a PM more than half a year ago, but the bottle of rinse aid is not over yet. And salt also takes 2 packs a month.

The rinse aid did not run out at all, of course, but there is one fill left.This is from 500 ml in a month ...

And in my case, with very soft water, for 14 months of operation (once a day I wash the dishes, Bosch for 14 sets) has not yet used up half a bottle of rinse aid, and I have never added salt, except for the salt that I poured immediately. With hard water, salt and rinse aid are consumed a lot.

Can you please tell me - Somat powder is only a soda effect? There are no other types of Somat powders?

Can you please tell me - Somat powder is only a soda effect? There are no other types of Somat powders?

Looks like no. I, in any case, have not met.

This weekend, I have my most important dishwasher helper. I am completely confused what detergents are needed and where to buy? How much rinse aid is needed? You need salt and self-detergent, bought in a store where you live. do they sell chemistry?

You can read the topic from the beginning
And in short, yes, you need separate dishwasher salt, separate balm rinse and separately tablets or powder for washing.
3-in-1 pills are a dubious thing.

Salt and rinsing agent are loaded into several washes at once (whoever has enough). And here is the detergent every time just before washing.
If the dishes are barely stained, you can wash them without detergent, but the salt and softening agent will still be in the machine.

I order all household chemicals on the Internet. But you can buy in a regular supermarket, only there will be a smaller choice (much less).

This weekend, I have my most important dishwasher helper. I am completely confused what detergents are needed and where to buy? How much rinse aid is needed? You need salt and self-detergent, bought in a store where you live. do they sell chemistry?

Looking for:
1 - special salt for PMM - required !!!
2 - rinse aid - necessary, but not required, you will see for yourself by the state of the dishes
3 - what is actually washed off - powder or gel - as if necessary - without them the fat will not be washed off

Even in medium-sized chains of household chemicals stores, we do not have funds for PMM, only in large markets.

[Somat-gel]

julifera And what kind of gel you have that you can wash the luminous? Me, too, gets a meat grinder. There is no hot water for 3 months already, I don't risk throwing it into the dishwasher. Please write what kind of gel it is. Maybe we have one.

As for the friendship between Somat-gel and aluminum, I will later experiment on a Berner saucepan, if the bottom does not turn black, then I will try the meat grinder, otherwise I don’t want to start the experiments with it. There is no other aluminum in the house)))

Promised tests with Somat-gel spent!

1 - I found an old luminous garlic press - turned black from this gel (now a reason to buy a new one)
2 - a saucepan from Panasonic - the back side - washed perfectly, remained light!

Wash the Kevud meat grinder with this gel - I WILL NOT!

By the way, I've already tried two eco-friendly detergents - the result is excellent !!!

what is it?

[julifera]

julifera, I did not pay attention before. I think I'll find it in Eve and similar stores.

So I mean Eve, speaking of medium-sized stores, - we have nothing there

Caravan, Epicenter, Metro - everything is there and always
Silpo, Varus - there is, but the choice is lame, in Silpo there are still discount prices.

[julifera]

julifera, I did not pay attention before. I think I'll find it in Eve and similar stores.

I highly recommend the line of products Domol, which can only be purchased from Watsons stores. They have a promotion there until the end of September - when buying three goods from a number of brands, one of them, the cheapest, is given away for nothing. I went to buy detergent for PMM, and in addition bought a couple of packs of detergent from the same manufacturer. Previously, I did not look at them, it seemed that a very biting price. And taking into account such a discount, it turned out acceptable. So it turns out that this is a real concentrated powder of German production. So that from two tablespoons of powder such a pile of linen becomes snow-white - a long-forgotten sensation!

[Jefry]

Jefry - thanks, we have one Watsons

Only denyuzhka has already been spent - just this Sunday I bought Somat powder and salt with a huge discount in Silpo ...

and I take the domolovo liquid detergent for washing and forget about the powder, I forgot it, it’s not printed, I also took it for the action, they say, without phosphates, but I haven’t used it yet, the liquid is just super

what is it?

Ecover tablets and AlmaWin powder.
I liked the second one more. And it is more convenient to pour in half of the portion, it is not pleasant to break the pill.
A friend also uses Ecover and she is still good at washing.
So, all this is slander, about the fact that environmentally friendly products are weak ...
2 years ago I replaced all household chemicals with eco-friendly brands and am very satisfied (I did not have a dishwasher then).

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Found some info about DOMOL:

"
1. Domal (Houseal) - these are tools for housekeeping at a modern level and without additional super-efforts on the part of a person. Very high quality, safe to use and economical.
Manufactured in Germany.

Not to be confused with Domaboutl (Houseaboutl) !!!
Domaboutl (Houseaboutl) - produced by the same concern, but lower quality raw materials are used ... due to this, the price is lower.
"

2. Composition of DOMOL powder for PMM:

This triphosphate in the composition - is this a harmful component?

What is interesting - in domolovo liquid products for washing machines - there are no phosphates in the composition, but there is

[julifera]

julifera, I did not pay attention before. I think I'll find it in Eve and similar stores.

bysinka I am just at the same stage and we are countrywomen. I report - there is nothing in ATB, in Eve alone I found only Finish and only tablets and salt, I went to Epicenter, everything is there in Deka, I bought Somat - salt (18 UAH), rinse aid (40 UAH) and gel (103 UAH). But the gel did not reach the cash register - the cap fell off and the contents poured out and I did not buy it. I bought the same gel in Prostor (UAH 101). Another excellent choice of detergents for PMM - in Belaya Voron on the railway, maybe in Auchan, at least it was.

Please accept me into your ranks)) True, my favorite Boska appeared a month ago and I am delighted with her! But now Finish powder ends (I'm not very happy with it because of the smell, and it washes, let's say - not a fountain). I read everything in this thread and decided that I would look for Japanese powder and gel for washing. In our province, it is generally difficult to make a choice - either tablets (in some variety), or only Finish from powders.
Prompt sites where delivery across Russia is not too burdensome)

[triphosphate]

Found some info about DOMOL:
2. Composition of DOMOL powder for PMM:

This triphosphate in the composition - is this a harmful component?

What is interesting - in domolovo liquid products for washing machines - there are no phosphates in the composition, but there is

Previously, it was written on the packages that the composition contains tensides (unfortunately, there are no old packages left). What are tensides I did not find at that time
After your message, I looked at the new packaging of Domol (here it is)


phosphates .. tensides and so on ... nothing better than the Finish, which also has phosphates and so on.

By the way, they used to write somewhere that the pictures are erased from the plates .... yes, yes! Gradually the drawings fade.

no better than the Finish, which also contains phosphates and so on.

It is cheaper and contains components that wash the dishes... And the finish of the local spread is IMHO waste of some chemical plant ...

It is cheaper and contains components that wash the dishes... And the finish of the local spread is IMHO waste of some chemical plant ...

Domol is at least sealed, and finishes and somata can be poured and poured at least with washing powder, no one will understand

It is cheaper and contains components that wash the dishes... And the finish of the local spread is IMHO waste of some chemical plant ...

What is cheaper is cheaper, who can argue !!! And in Germany Domola is even cheaper (and not only them) !!! (for example, see the prices of the July Rossman catalog). And besides, how much cheaper !!!

If it is so cheap, it means that Domol too ... IMHO wastes from some chemical plant ... but German, that is, better quality can be said ... European
May the lovers of Domola forgive me
but I myself use it (probably because there is actually no choice - either one or the other ... and everything is of high quality)

Domol is at least sealed, and finishes and somata can be poured and poured at least with washing powder, no one will understand

Well, Domola (for example, detergents) are also not sealed and you can also run into a cast / divorced one (my friend ran into a product for washing wool in a pink package - she bought 2 bottles, which turned out to be different in consistency). Anything that is not sealed can theoretically be spoiled by an unscrupulous seller / supplier, etc. It's good that the powders for PMM are sealed.

Oh, guys, I bought a hmm and, after reading the reviews, began to lick the plates - there is bitterness. I don't understand how to adjust. I'm afraid to reduce salt, at least until I buy tests and personally check the rigidity myself. I have already filled in the rinse aid (somat), you cannot change it, I try different settings, but when decreasing on a short program, traces of foam remain on the bottom of the car ...
I didn't think it would be so difficult to set up the car. If only the manufacturers wrote instructions about the taste of the plates.

P.S. Interestingly enough, after the short program, there were traces of foam at the bottom. Immediately after that, I put on a rinse, there was more foam. What does it mean? That the powder is not completely washed off, on the contrary, add rinse aid?

Girls, I used Crystal salt, there was such a large one in a pack, but here nothing but Somat was gone, I bought it. In a pack, salt is fine, food-grade "Estra". Is this normal for him, or did you poured something left? At a price much cheaper than a crystal., 2.5 times, I will not say for sure, I do not remember how much it cost.

Yes, Somat is very small.

What about quality? And then she was directly puzzled. Something became tense with the means for PMM, I did not even expect this.

Purely logically, it seems to me that it will dissolve and end faster. We, too, as if dishwashers are a rarity in the city.

[The last rinse before drying does not]

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P.S. Interestingly enough, after the short program, there were traces of foam at the bottom. Immediately after that, I put on a rinse, there was more foam. What does it mean? That the powder is not completely washed off, on the contrary, add rinse aid?
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Rinse aid foam. That is why the manufacturer writes in the instructions that the dishes should be unloaded from the PMM half an hour after the end of the program. During this half hour, bubbles of foam from the rinse are blown off and we do not see them. The last rinse before drying does not plain water, and with rinse aid... The rinse aid changes the surface tension of the water film (think of the funny water strider insects that gracefully glide through the water in ponds and backwaters), so it is easier for water drops to roll off the dishes. Thanks to the correct dosage of rinse aid, there are no streaks or drips on dry dishes.

And I don't have any foam even immediately after the end of washing (often we immediately open and load a new batch of dishes). Maybe it depends on the means used?

It's very possible.

Giraffe, salt Somat I just ran out - the last one fell asleep. In terms of quality - I don't even know what to say). The main thing is that it did not turn into a lump (as I read here in some posts). Washed off as quickly as Calgonite. To be honest, it didn't affect the dishes. We also have a lot of problems with dishwasher products, although the city is, in principle, not small. I bought the same Somat salt in Ashan when I went there on the occasion (for 120 km.) And so we only have Finish or Calgonit, which is 2 times more expensive than Somat. But ... there is nothing to do, but I don't want to wash everything with pens

And so we only have Finish or Calgonit, which is 2 times more expensive than Somat. But ... there is nothing to do, but I don't want to wash everything with pens

Well, just like ours, only the first two are missing. The salt does not stick together, but pouring it in, in comparison with the previous ones, is somehow not a fountain, you pour it in, but it dissolves and dissolves, and the water comes out. I thought the whole pack would go into the tank. The main thing is that it is of high quality.

Yes, I had almost the entire pack and left immediately). I, too, was scared at the beginning, But the quality of the sink was not affected at all.

we now have such a tool, Polish

Who-thread heard-used what is it for?

Unfortunately, nothing at all - we turned off the water yesterday and turned it on only at night. And today, some work with meters will be done at the entrance - and there will be no light until evening. So, - as soon as - so immediately unsubscribe, I promise)

Why test the gel, I have already written here many times that it is a good thing, only expensive and not available to everyone.

Tanya, can you please tell me the gel is more expensive than tablets? rinse aid need to be used in addition to it?

Svetlana201, I can't compare the cost with the pills, because not when I bought it, but in the store the gel costs 516 rubles. for 480 ml, consumption for 1 sink is 15 ml, I have a softener for 1.

This is how I use

correctly, I understood that a rinse aid is still needed for the gel, does it just replace the powder?

correctly, I understood that a rinse aid is still needed for the gel, does it just replace the powder?

I thought gels include all the ingredients - both detergent, salt and rinse aid, Somat is so accurate.
When I use the gel, I put the dishwasher in tablet mode so that salt and rinse aid are not consumed.

There is no need for a softener for the gel, I pour in a softener so that the light on the panel does not burn (this annoys me), that there is no softener.

Now I was completely confused, well, for the first time I realized that I was not needed, but then it was not Japanese and the girls showed it somewhere it says 3 in 1, and in Japanese, probably nothing, maybe on Ozone just wrote, see the instructions for your car. Explain (sorry generously) is it necessary or not necessary? where is something explained?

I bought a gel on Ozone at a price of 308 rubles. for 480 ml.

By the way, on the back of the bottle it is not written about what you need to get away from salt or rinse aid. Simply stated - "do not mix with other means." In my understanding, this means that there is no need to add anything else, namely detergent.And of course I don't know there. And my water is still so hard that I won't give up salt anyway.

Ingushechka, and how much does the delivery cost?

Tanya, in our city there is a pick-up point (and in yours, for sure), and so, the delivery turned out to be one hundred rubles in total. And there is also a special offer - delivery for free from 2000 thousand.

... And my water is still so hard that I won't give up salt anyway.

And you are doing the right thing! Salt is needed to clean the water softener built into the PMM, there will be no salt, a "fluffy animal" will come to the machine and have to throw it out, since replacing the filter is $ 150-200.