Choosing a dishwasher

[mish]

mish, Natalia, is it so with the tape pills from the first minutes? Or did it start after a while? And then I began to use my own not so long ago, somewhere for 2-3 weeks. Now I looked in, it's worth sparkling. She took out a jug and a lid, clean and dry, not soapy

[Tanya-Fanya]

Tanya-Fanya, Tatyana, now I specially ran to look at the packaging: the manufacturer is Germany, the importer is St. Petersburg: it still foams like a long time. So alas ...




lira3003, Rita, started after a while. At first, they didn't sing, but that was a different party. And this game is just a nightmare. I also foolishly bought a few packs - I fell for discounts. I wanted to save money, but now it turns out that you have to buy a little bit so that you don't get caught like that.

[mish]

mish, I, of course, understand that these pills are so unfortunate, but maybe you can somehow adapt them to the case, since they are bought anyway? This is me to the fact that in St. Petersburg the water is very soft, there were a lot of reviews from St. Petersburg residents about poor rinsing in washing machines, for example - no matter how much you rinse, the foam still slips.

And now, actually, the question. You, by any chance, are not worth additional softening? In the tablets, softeners are already added, and even the water is soft, and it is also possible that the water softener in the car has tried .... Somewhere it is necessary to intervene and somehow "toughen up" the water under these tablets, or something .. ? I wonder if you throw a bit of lemon directly to the pill, what will happen? (that's me, okay brainstorming delirium - this must first be tested in a separate bowl of water, because it may easily turn out that as a result of the reaction the amount of foam will increase even more) Eh, a chemist would have a court ... * dreams *

[Rita]

Rita, uraaaaa, at least not to wash it by hand, I have already noticeably lost the habit and do not want to get used back



mish, or maybe you should put half of it, I have friends and I myself use tape so often, it sometimes foams more with different rinses, and the same settings, with our hard water I have an opol. stands at 2.you have soft in St. Petersburg, and you wash it with tablets, you can try to turn it off



Tanya-Fanya, German tape panels are in packs of only 60 pcs. and which we produce are packaged in 30 pieces, they also differ in the shell and color a little; for the Germans, the shell is water-soluble transparent tablets, the tricolor red part is very bright, and for the Russian shell, you need to remove the letters and the tablets themselves are faded



Mandraik Ludmila,

In principle, I like Amway products, but it's not cheap, although I use powder and I have enough of it for a very long time. Both PMMs are small, Hansa is 45 cm, and the Electrolux is generally a little tabletop. Therefore, it is uneconomical to use tablets.

and if they are in half)))) tape quite cope on 45cm narrow

[Bijou]

Bijou, Lena, I checked everything - no additional softening is worth it, I tried citric acid and vinegar with a master - the result was zero. I’m saying that this game is so nasty, there were no problems with them before and I was happy with the last game.Calipso63, Valentine, you, probably, inattentively read my message: I tried to divide the tablets into halves, and to play with the presence or absence of rinse aid. There is no result - in the sense, it is still foam.
Girls, thank you for worrying, but I've already come to terms with the fact that this batch of tape tablets just needs to be used somehow - even by washing additionally manually from the foam. Thank God, greasy pots are washed - that's fine. And then we'll see. There is only one pack of 60 tablets left.

Tanya-Fanya, German ribbon tabs come in packs of only 60 pcs. and which we produce are packaged in 30 pieces, they also differ in the shell and color a little; for the Germans, the shell is water-soluble transparent tablets, the tricolor red part is very bright, and for the Russian shells you need to remove the letters and the tablets themselves are faded in color

on the left are German, on the right are St. Petersburg's glorus nord
I have German ones for a long time, so the color faded a little

[Valentine]

Valentine, for some reason no pictures are visible.

[Natalia]

Natalia, fixed))) I always suffer with sending them here (((((

Thank you, now you can see. I have those on the left - so they blame.

[Natalia]

Natalia, the tape German itself will have more foaming than any other

[Valentine]

Valentine, the most interesting thing is that after these Lotta ribbon tablets (from an already almost finished tested pack - well, I just, without finishing Lotta, opened the Ribbon pack to try) they also blame, but to a lesser extent. I explained all this in detail to the master, sat with him for three hours sorting out, but things are still there - he could not identify the problem. He only said that due to the lack of clear technical conditions, tablets are made at random - today there is a little more of one substance in them, tomorrow of another, and it seems that they get into the specifications declared by the manufacturer, but the result is different. So now you have to buy one pack at a time, just to be sure. At least check the batch number, if you take several packs - I don't know right.

tape quite cope on 45cm narrow

I don't like pills at all, it's more convenient for me to powder, I sprinkle a teaspoon and enough

[Mandraik Ludmila]

Mandraik Ludmila, and at first I used Somat, but I didn’t like it by the smell and when it was poured it was so dusty, I already sneezed and switched to pills, but now, especially after the master gave them a collective anti-advertising, I’m thinking about finding a powder (not Somat). Moreover, the prices for pills began to bite strongly. And I also tried Lotta powder, but, as it turned out, it is not German, but Italian: you can't put it in less - if you put less than a tablespoon, it doesn't wash anything, so there is no savings - I probably won't take it either.

[Natalia]

Natalia, with our St. Petersburg soft water, Emway powders will be quite budgetary if you pour in a teaspoon, and you don't even need more on a large car. Then good powders, but expensive Korean ones, I bought in ozone when they were much cheaper, there was a measuring spoon just like a teaspoon, I have the last pack - a third left, like this:

according to reviews, this one is also not bad

They gave me such pills, I cut them in half - the result is good, but I'm waiting for the end - it's inconvenient to cut, I would never buy the pills myself

[Mandraik Ludmila]

Mandraik Ludmila, I looked on Ozone and found it! Thanks for the recommendation: I’ll finish the ill-fated ribbon pills and definitely try these powders. Maybe this will solve all my dishwashing problems.

[Constantin]

Constantin, Yes. then, it’s not going anywhere, you will have to pay more money, and haven’t tried the synergetic gel? like he is also eco-friendly

I use it, but not all the time
I didn’t like it on short mode, on eco50 it’s ok
my tea and tefalks are my favorite ones, which are a pity to scratch with powder, in general, any delicate dishes



recently bought Finnish pills


Tablets for p. Machine X - tra 40 pcs

here

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I really liked it, although the reviews on them are conflicting
dissolve completely even in short mode
wash perfectly

I will still buy such

[Tatyana]

Tatyana, yeah, I know about Finnish, many more in the joint venture take them either on the same site or from those who carry from the Finnish under the order, and how much for a thing at the price you got, subject to the price of the table + delivery price



Natalia, mmm, or maybe just scroll the machine with a lemon instead of pouring the detergent, it will clean it up and remove the foam if you suddenly have deposits, for example, after the tape on the machine itself ...

Have you tried synergetic gel? like he is also eco-friendly

I bought this gel for testing, it didn't go with me, it's worth it now. Grease washes both at 70 ° C and in a quick wash. But tea bloom - alas and ah! After washing, I take out the tea cups dirtier than I put

[Anna]

Anna, Vredin @, here he also didn't go for something, probably because eco, the same story with dishes
but the somat powder, which many do not like for the smell, scrub everything until it squeaks)))), but as for the smell, I will say it smells from the canister, it smells when you open the dishwasher immediately after the end of the program, and the dishes do not smell at all

I checked everything - no additional softening is necessary, I tried citric acid and vinegar with a master - the result was zero.

That is, salt is not used in the car at all? Clear.

Is the rinse aid leaking? Sometimes it begins to slowly ooze out of the compartment, which causes an eerie foam to rise at all stages of washing. ((

[Valentine]

and as for the smell, I will say it smells from the canister, it smells when you open the dishwasher immediately after the end of the program, and the dishes do not smell at all

Valentine, Calipso63, I agree 100%.
I always think when I read about the smell, does the dishes smell after washing or the powder itself? Powders and tablets smell differently, but for many years the dishes have never smelled of chemistry, although a sea of ​​powders and tablets of different price categories have been tried. Even in the machine itself, a couple of minutes after the end of the wash, it does not smell. I am more embarrassed by the rinse aid, because the tablet is washed off after rinsing (at least it should), but we eat the rinse aid, and there the smell is oh-oh-oh, and the composition is scary to read.

Natalia, mmm, maybe just scroll the machine with a lemon instead of pouring the detergent

Duc did everything exactly that way ... and nothing ...

That is, salt is not used in the car at all? Clear.

There is salt, but the master says that we do not need them. We have the second softest water in the world (first in the Amazon floodplain in Brazil).

Is the rinse aid leaking?

Not leaking for sure. And I tried different rinses, including diluted vinegar - no use in this particular case, which the master confirmed.

[mish]

mish, so I also had an idea, like Lenochka-Biju, that somewhere the rinse is oozing. Other users of the pmm - your fellow countrymen have no complaints about indomitable foam, but the conditions, read water, are the same for you.
Well, it’s even a shame, good soft water and the problem with the foam came out. On the contrary, our water is very hard, the taps are flying - the ganders fall off; towels and shirts are stuck, unless you suddenly add rinse aid.
I sincerely hope that you have a solution.

[Tanya-Fanya]

Tanya-Fanya, Tatyana,

Other users of the pmm - your fellow countrymen have no complaints about indomitable foam, but the conditions, read water, are the same for you.

This foaming nonsense did not start immediately with the purchase of a car, but only with a certain purchase of ribbon tablets. And about water: no - we have different water from district to district (I mean the city and urban districts), because of this, it is recommended to call Vodokanal and find out the hardness of the water there for a specific area in order to correctly adjust the supply of salt and rinse aid ... I also clarified this question in due time. But I think, of course, if it differs, it is not very significant.

I sincerely hope that you have a solution.

Thank you for your kind words ! I still think about these pills - well, after all, there was no such problem before them - maybe, indeed, switching to a good powder will solve the problem, you just need to find it!

but the somat powder, which many do not like for the smell, scrub everything until it squeaks)))), but as for the smell, I will say it smells from the canister, it smells when you open the dishwasher immediately after the end of the program, and the dishes do not smell at all

So I also did not find a better option. Washes well, reliably, always dissolves, rinses out well.
And not counting the smell, so any product smells like something.

So I also did not find a better option. Washes well, reliably, always dissolves, rinses out well.
And not counting the smell, so any product smells like something.

here, there is enough for a long time, and the price pleases, you can buy for 450 for 3kg for a promotion: girl-yes: and I have different rinse aid more often I even badyazh somat and the finish then add this and that, they mix, the finish gives more shine, but dear, but I like it so straight)))))

Oh, what an interesting topic. I tried a lot of things. Of my favorites, of course, Amway and recently discovered Paclan pills. I'm sooo happy !!! There is absolutely no smell, it washes elegantly, except for the panels from the contact grill (((

[pulkeria]

pulkeria, mmm, I only use rinse from paklan from time to time and a cleaner for PMM in small bottles, normal means)))

[Calipso63]

Calipso63, I also bought a cleaner, but I haven't used it yet

And not counting the smell, so any product smells like something.

There is a difference - it smells like frank chemistry, or a pleasant, quickly evaporating aroma.

But tea bloom - alas and ah! After washing, I take out the tea cups dirtier than I put

Sorry for intrusiveness, but coffee and tea rims in phosphate-free eco-products are perfectly washed with the enzymes they contain. Enzymes do not work at water temperatures above 50 degrees, from the word "in general" ...

and many beloved sodasan so in general the nightmare does not wash niche and the white coating on the dishes, perhaps this is our water, although everything is fine

I will tell you from the reviews and my own experience. Some products for PMM also require washers of the same brand, since such washers are "sharpened" for such products. This, for example, applies to Sodasan (Germany), Astonish (UK). Therefore, if you have a previously tested and reliable washer after some product leaves stains or whitish spots on the dishes, then try using the washer of the same brand as the product. At least with the above brands, this helped me ... You should not think that all washers are the same ...

Quote: Exocat from Today at 00: 12A about the smell, so any product smells like something. There is a difference - it smells like frank chemistry, or a pleasant, quickly evaporating aroma.

It doesn't smell like frank chemistry at once, the smell is subtle and quickly evaporates.
It seems to me that the detergent powder needs to be selected depending on the water and the dirt that is contained on the dishes. This set is different for everyone. That is why detergent powders work differently for all of us.

You shouldn't think that all washers are the same ...

I agree, I read the composition when buying or for interest on stripes

as for the nasty chemical smell, I will say this, for example, I like it when the laundry after washing smells like powder or rinse aid, but not the smell of any kind of ariel powder, for me it is unrealistically disgusting
Perhaps someone also perceives powders for dishes.

Sorry for intrusiveness, but coffee and tea rims in phosphate-free eco-products are perfectly washed with the enzymes they contain. Enzymes do not work at water temperatures above 50 degrees, from the word "in general" ...

Konstantin, why is it immediately importunate, I prefer to perceive the advice given on this forum as an exchange of valuable experience
Your experience with IVF remedies for PMM, described several pages earlier, I read with interest and even applied it in practice. Indeed, I always wash on the Auto program (wash 70 ° C). After reading your post, I decided to try my mistake (we are talking about SYNERGETIC) on a program with a temperature of 40 ° C, but, unfortunately, the miracle did not happen, the cups are in the same form as when washing at 70 ° C.
There is also an IVF program with 50 ° C, which I do not use, because it lasts 3 hours and rinses the dishes only once, but for the purity of the experiment, tomorrow I will start this program with SYNERGETIC.

[Anna]

Anna,

Quote: Kapet from Today at 10:47 am
Sorry for intrusiveness, but coffee and tea rims in phosphate-free eco-products are perfectly washed with the enzymes they contain. Enzymes do not work at water temperatures above 50 degrees, from the word "in general" ...
Konstantin, why is it immediately importunate, I prefer to perceive the advice given on this forum as an exchange of valuable experience
Your experience with IVF remedies for PMM, described several pages earlier, I read with interest and even applied it in practice. Indeed, I always wash on the Auto program (wash 70 ° C). After reading your post, I decided to try my mistake (we are talking about SYNERGETIC) on a program with a temperature of 40 ° C, but, unfortunately, the miracle did not happen, the cups are in the same form as when washing at 70 ° C.
There is also an IVF program with 50 ° C, which I do not use, because it lasts 3 hours and rinses the dishes only once, but for the purity of the experiment, tomorrow I will start this program with SYNERGETIC.

maybe it is for him that Konstantin's advice is not suitable, since there seem to be not enzymes, but tensides of the type of vegetable origin

Girls who use Amway pills as they do to you, they gave me a box, these are my first pills and the first PM, so I think it might be better to eat or stop at these

[Hope]

Hope, Amway good, but not cheap. Powder is better for me, it turns out more economically (1 tsp. Per wash), and the quality of washing is equally good.

Luda, Amveevsky powder or what?

[Hope]

Hope, yes I wrote about Ameevsky. But I also have Korean, it's not better, I just bought it when it was cheap, I had a period of passion for Korean and Japanese household chemicals, until everything went up in price

[Buttercup]

Buttercup, thanks, I'm not guided by the price yet, but I understood everything

Hello everyone, I'm new to your topic, I started reading everything and realized that I couldn't get through 137 pages. I have such a situation. My PMM will soon be a month, Siemens, I use powder + salt + rinse aid of one Finish company. I have not tried it yet by another company. And I began to notice from the 4th "wash" of the dishes that glasses, wine glasses, salad bowls, all that transparent glass I got scratched with every wash. Although I put everything at a distance from each other. I mainly use the Eco 50 program. I don't understand what the problem is. I have only one thought that the powder is to blame. Although everywhere I have not read, all the powder finish is praised. Tell me what could be the problem! Did anyone have this?

[sazalexter]

sazalexter spokethat is scratched from the calcium carbonate powder.

sazalexter said that it is scratched by calcium carbonate in powder.

carbonate is probably in gels and tablets. So it turns out that scratching cannot be avoided, whatever I use?

P.S. I read the composition on the finish packaging and I did not find any calcium carbonate there

And I liked the Bioretto tablets, they wash well and do not leave a chemical smell. I have been plowing PMM Bosch for 8 years, there are only two programs, 50 and 65 degrees. I almost always wash it at 50, everything is washed, including the tea bloom on the cups.

carbonate is probably in gels and tablets. So it turns out that scratching cannot be avoided, whatever I use?

I read the whole Temka, and I realized this. In gels, all sharp solid particles are dissolved in a liquid medium. And in powder, it takes some time to dissolve in water during washing. And during this time they manage to scratch. But, there are different powders. And the quality of glassware is different. But I read in Temka, it is safer to wash glass and crystal with gel. Some kind of powders were called like they don't scratch, but I don't remember that. can tell more. I haven’t connected my beauty PPMochka yet, repairs in the kitchen. So everything that I wrote is purely from memory from what was written earlier.

scratched by calcium carbonate powder

Well, yes, first we put an ion exchanger in order to remove calcium carbonates from the water, and then add them with powder? This is some very complicated logic for me.

No, that's not it, Calcium carbonate is non-baking soda, or, as it is also called, soda ash. Added to washing powders to enhance the action of the detergent and soften excessively hard water. And calcium bicarbonate is baking soda. I've dug up an article about their difference and application.
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By the way, maybe bicarbonate, baking soda are all the same in powders for PPM? And that confused this in the article:
"Baking soda is absolutely safe for use, rarely causes allergic reactions, soda ash, when ingested, causes severe poisoning and skin manifestations of an allergic reaction are possible." I think that if this thing is still in powder, then you shouldn't save on rinse aid.

[Zhenya-88i]

Zhenya-88i, maybe the problem is in the rinse aid? The rinse aid is incorrectly set, the glass becomes cloudy and old scratches on the glass become more visible to the eye?

[Zhenya-88i]

Zhenya-88i, maybe the problem is in the rinse aid? The rinse aid is incorrectly set, the glass becomes cloudy and old scratches on the glass become more visible to the eye?

Just the glass does not grow cloudy, the rinse aid is on the first level. I even noticed: I put the glass down, I notice how many scratches there were before washing. Then I check afterwards, and the number increases.
To a greater extent, I took the dishwasher because of the sparkling glasses and without smudges, but now it turns out that I don't want to put them there.
I think to buy gel somat try

Kind of weird. I also have Siemens, a lot of glassware, including plates and salad bowls. I did not notice such problems with scratches. My tablets finish all in one or Quantum, if there are not enough dishes or slightly dirty, then Lenta tablets (Germany).

So I don’t understand why it’s like that.