Choosing a dishwasher

I also finish with my powder, it washes everything well. Our water is hard, a lot of iron. But if Miele comes across dishware, then I'll take it for good, they are cheaper than Finish and wash better.

and I recently came across a powder for PMM Cinderella for 86 rubles. in a pack 1kg. I took a try. At 50-70 degrees, it washes even better than the finish. But at 40 degrees the result is worse. So now I will buy it, but for 40 ° I will leave the finish line.

Nikasa, and I saw Cinderella, but did not buy. I thought of a cheap powder and won't wash anything. I have a cleanliness criterion washed off tea plaque from mugs and teaspoons or not. So, all the other dishes wash well, and after tea, I only have Miele tablets in tablets that wash away the plaque, but every day these mugs of my spoons .. I'll also have to buy Cinderella to try

Irma, Cinderella washed everything clean, no deposits on cups and spoons. I fall asleep 25 ml powder (up to the upper mark).

And I fall asleep a little more than 15, maybe a little so there is a tea bloom? I have a narrow car 45cm. Since the tablet is 18g, I decided that enough powder would be enough for me.

Here, probably, the temperature regime also plays a big role ... that week on the ECO program, the tea bloom did not wash off ... But at 70 C, over time, all the Luminarka mugs began to shine .. .. only one infection brown and does not want to wash on the bottom ... .. also Luminarkovskaya ...

* Anyuta *, I have a favorite IVF program. I run the machine once a day, at night, I sprinkle any powder of 25 ml (beko machine 60cm), and I have no deposits on the dishes. True, initially there is no tea plaque on the cups-spoons, because after drinking tea I put all the cups in the PMM at once, that is, the tea in glasses does not stagnate, and a strong plaque does not form.
But on the program 60 g, 60 minutes, my dishes are not washed well ...

* Anyuta *, I have a favorite IVF program. I run the machine once a day, at night, I sprinkle any powder of 25 ml (beko machine 60cm), and I have no deposits on the dishes. True, initially there is no tea plaque on the cups-spoons, because after drinking tea I put all the cups in the PMM at once, that is, the tea in glasses does not stagnate, and a strong plaque does not form.

Everything is like about me. Only a Bosch machine.

Everything is like about me. Only a Bosch machine.

and about me. I have Bosch too. I pour the finish 20 ml, line by line in the car. and on the beggar itself it is written to pour 40. so who to believe?

and about me. I have Bosch too. I pour the finish 20 ml, line by line in the car. and on the beggar itself is written to pour 40... who to believe?

So the more you pour, the faster you will go for a new one. That's the whole answer.
The same as with washing powder. If you pour it with a glass, as our advertising advises, the foam from the washing machine will trample from all holes :-)

[Ksyusha]

Girls, thanks! I'll try to buy Finish.

I have a Finish gel "All in 1". Like.

Ksyusha, and then you don't need to add salt at all, even for the first start?

Sonadora, salt is a must! Otherwise, the ion exchanger will fail. It is consumed very slowly, if you always use everything in one, then you can set the salt to a minimum, but especially for the first time you need to fill it up.

Well, they already answered for the salt. It is a must.

Girls, thanks again! Here I am - a village!

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No, I pour salt.

Oh, girls, right now I'll tell you a scary story
When the master from the guarantee came to me, and I complain, I complain about the high salt consumption
He listened and said: he says he knows many cases when salt IS NEVER USED AT ALL and everything is normal
But I can’t accept it, even cut me
You can probably assume about too soft water, etc., etc. .......

Girls, in a huge secret - I have been using ordinary table stone salt / without additives / for more than a year now. I have a 45 cm elfresco machine and the water is very hard. Instead of rinse, vinegar. And Denkmeet liked the powder the most. Until all the rules

Girls, in a huge secret - I have been using ordinary table stone salt / without additives / for more than a year now. I have a 45 cm Elfresco machine and the water is very hard. Instead of rinse, vinegar. And Denkmeet liked the powder the most. Until all the rules

I am of course new to using PMM. but shoveled a lot of information on them. talked with very smart guys. and on this occasion too.
they told me, can you imagine what is going on inside the car from such protection? I said something about chemical formulas ... in short, I think that salt and rinse aid are inexpensive to spoil the equipment that was bought for years and is not cheap. this is IMHO

in short, I believe that salt and rinse aid are inexpensive to spoil equipment that has been bought for years and is not cheap. this is IMHO

Agree
Can't imagine {better and not necessary} HOW it is, to put it mildly unpleasant, when the assistant breaks down
Therefore, saving in quotes is not appropriate here.
IMHO

As they wrote on one of the forums, replacing the ion exchanger due to the savings on salt will result in almost the cost of the PM. Somehow such phrases do not inspire experiments. I can still allow replacing the rinse aid with lemon, but the salt ...

I wrote about my personal experience. It's clear - everyone chooses his own, no one is forcing anything. She just ate salt in such doses !! - a two-kilogram pack was enough for a couple of weeks. We wanted to order salt at the cleaning department in the city - it did not work out - we talked with local specialists, and so they have the same salt only of a very high degree of purification. So they decided - what the hell is not joking !? But, I don't call on anyone to repeat my experience, I just say that this is the case.

I wrote about my personal experience. It's clear - everyone chooses his own, no one is forcing anything. She just ate salt in such doses !! - a two-kilogram pack was enough for a couple of weeks.

And how is the situation now, is it still a big expense?
What about others in your area?
That is the question then
And what to put in PMM - it's clear - it's a personal matter for everyone
And it's good that Ali wrote, that's why we are here and communicate
I just ran into such a problem and the answer was obvious
Okay, at least there was a warranty, changed to another and there is something to compare with (y) t-t-t

My powder is the finish, the air conditioner is also the finish, but for some reason, with the dishes too "finish" is a white bloom. Especially on glass, although ordinary cups also have it. With glass, what is interesting - if you wash it only a couple of times, there is no plaque, and if every day it becomes cloudy. Streaks, streaks are sometimes visible on dark dishes. Increase the amount of salt (in settings)? More air conditioner mb?

Girls, in a huge secret - I have been using ordinary table stone salt / without additives / for more than a year now. I have a 45 cm Elfresco machine and the water is very hard. Instead of rinse, vinegar. And Denkmeet liked the powder the most. Until all the rules

I don’t know, I don’t know ... .. about my achievements (in terms of table salt and vinegar) it is worth talking like this in 5-7 years (just for the service life of the machine) ...

I have a friend (she lives a couple of streets away from me - and we have maximum stiffness), too, does not pour salt into her BEKOSHKu ... like why ... year ... Here, as they say, taste and color ...

he doesn't pour salt into his BECO too .. like why ... ..

With the same success, you can not clean the vacuum cleaner, just shake out the bag.And why wash the rest of the filters, because it works. It sucks, and let the motor overheat ...

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My powder is the finish, the air conditioner is also the finish, but for some reason, with the dishes too "finish" is a white bloom. Especially on glass, although ordinary cups also have it. With glass, what is interesting - if you wash it only a couple of times, there is no plaque, and if every day it becomes cloudy. Streaks, streaks are sometimes visible on dark dishes. Increase the amount of salt (in settings)? More air conditioner mb?

I also use the entire Finish series, there are no problems with the dishes, all the glass just burns, I can’t stop looking at them (including dark ones), the Bosch machine did not change the settings (as the master said when installing the machine) I have instructions it is written that not all glassware can be washed in the PMM, because on some glass, over time, non-washable stains and clouding of the glass will appear (well, there, of course, it says, see the recommendations of the dish manufacturers whether it is suitable for washing in the PMM, well, This is not written), for the same reason, you cannot wash the crystal, because it will also have problems with clouding over time. I was probably lucky with glass (or with water hardness and settings)

Natasha, I also have a Bosch Thank you
The husband is already looking askance at the car, and at the dishes with divorces, and at me

Please tell me, who knows what to do, when washing in the dishwasher, all the dishwashing detergent is not shaken out, it remains in the dispenser, and naturally the dishes are poorly rinsed. She gets wet there. Bosch machine, compact. Help, I don't know what to do ...

This happens when you put powder into a compartment that was wet. The compartment must be dry.

Yes, that's just what I know, I dry it thoroughly, not droplets of moisture and all the same! I don't understand anything ...

Lime deposits could also have formed on the mechanism (grooves along which the powder compartment cover moves) and braked well. Drive the car with a special vehicle. It doesn't hurt anyway.

Yes, it then works, the container opens, but the powder, oddly enough, gets stuck there, about half, and sticks and remains in the tank. And I just started using the car, not a month.

And what do you wash and how many grams do you pour? Maybe a lot or the powder is so sticky? I would try another powder, or better a gel.

Yes ... the gel would probably be better, but we do not live in Moscow, the choice is sooooo not great. I use "finish calgonite" powder for washing, maybe, of course, I pour a lot. I try harder to disinfect better. A person is sick in the family. I sprinkle it on the top strip (25 gr. Or something). But I did not know that it could be so ... I wonder if little Bosch can contain gel or just powder?

Yes, it then works, the container opens, but the powder, oddly enough, gets stuck there, about half, and sticks and remains in the tank. And I just started using the car, not a month.

What program is it on?
With or without pre-rinse?
Or both types of programs?

Gel can be in any.

Yes, on any program, they are all pre-rinsed like.

Yes, on any program, they are all pre-rinsed like.

If you have at least one program without preliminary rinsing, then try it - most likely the powder will spill out regularly.
Apparently, in your PMM during the preliminary rinsing, water gets into the leaky compartment with the powder, so some of the powder sticks there.

Lencha, try all the same 15 grams of powder, and for disinfection it is better not to increase the dose of detergent, but to set the washing temperature to the maximum. It will be more useful than chemistry.

This is very possible. Although this is sad, what to do? ... The program without pre-rinsing is for wine glasses only there 45 degrees, but this does not suit me in any way ...

Girls, tell me, please. I have a Bosch car.wanted to deliver 1/2 of the load today, but it only works on eco 50? I wanted to set 1/2 of the load to 45 degrees, but if you switch the program from the eco program, then the 1/2 button stops burning.
and more ... my machine sometimes beats with electric current. what can be connected with? thought that the outlet was not grounded ... my husband checked - everything is normal. the facade is not hung on it ... but I think it has nothing to do with it ... what could be the matter?

ppcd, I would call the master. The machine must not be shocked. Or an electrician, perhaps the grounding at the outlet is not correctly carried out .. We need to wait for our technicians to wait for something to tell

I flew home, I see a lot of drugs, I will answer now!
The socket can be grounded, but is there a contact between the "earth" wire and the car body? If you touch the voltmeter to the case and the ground contact in the second outlet, what will it show?

I have not used half the load yet, there was no need, but tomorrow I will specially check it. And most likely it is not provided for in short mode.

Girls, tell me, please. I have a Bosch car. wanted to deliver 1/2 of the load today, but it only works on eco 50? I wanted to set 1/2 of the load to 45 degrees, but if you switch the program from the eco program, then the 1/2 button stops burning.
and further... ?

I really have, not Bosch, but Beko, but half load works even on a 30-minute mode

ppcd, my Siemens car is probably the same as your Bosch. Today I tried the 1/2 program, and it works at 45 degrees. The button also goes out when switching from eco, but you press 1/2 again and this half load turns on.

I flew home, I see a lot of drugs, I will answer now!
The socket can be grounded, but is there a contact between the "earth" wire and the car body? If you touch the voltmeter to the case and the ground contact in the second outlet, what will it show?

oh ... this is a difficult question. I don't have a voltmeter ...
I will probably have to call the electrician again, who did the wiring for us ...

ppcd, my Siemens car is probably the same as your Bosch. Today I tried the 1/2 program, and it works at 45 degrees. The button also goes out when switching from eco, but you press 1/2 again and this half load turns on.

but my 1/2 button does not light up, if I select 45 degrees mode ...

and more ... my machine sometimes beats with electric current. what can be connected with? thought that the outlet was not grounded ... my husband checked - everything is normal. the facade is not hung on it ... but I think that this has nothing to do with it ... what could be the matter?

My Boshik bites the desktop identity, with Indesit this was not
When we in the store began to check it for the integrity of the structure, she "snatched" me and my son, although it was disconnected on the counter

insava, wow "biting machine"! I recently read an article in a magazine about the fact that in America women most often get electric shock from dishwashers. Now I try not to touch her with wet hands, although she is not "biting" at all