Choosing a dishwasher

This is not an alternative! The alternative is if on the new moon the fruits of the soap tree are crushed in a mortar or something like that. And buy borax at the pharmacy - excuse me! This is the same far from edible chemicals, only with the complete absence of any additives designed to increase the efficiency of washing.

Zhenya, I won't argue strongly, but borax has long been known and studied. She, of course, is not an edible product, but before she was taken orally. Now only outwardly.

Borax in medicine
(sodium bicarbonate, Natrum bicarbonicum, Borax) - B. has been used in medicine for a long time. Previously, it was taken orally with a wide variety of suffering: now it is used almost exclusively in the form of washing, lotions, injections for various inflammations of the skin and mucous membranes, since borax has not only tightening, but also quite strong antiseptic properties, delaying the decay of animal tissues ... Brown was also used for preserving food substances, but the latter, from its admixture, lose to a large extent their digestibility.

This is not an alternative! The alternative is if on the new moon the fruits of the soap tree are crushed in a mortar or something like that. And buy borax at the pharmacy - excuse me! This is the same far from edible chemicals, only with the complete absence of any additives designed to increase the efficiency of washing.

Borax is used in many medicines. For example, when stomatitis with a solution of borax in glycerin, they smear the mouth - no one has yet been poisoned. Almost all creams come with borax, it has an emollient effect. And before negatively speaking, you can read on other forums excellent reviews from people who for several years not only wash the dishes in the sink, but also wash the clothes. But the indisputable plus is the cheapness of the product (borax 60 r kg., Salt 80 r. Kg = 140 r 2 kg.) And no awful smell, which many write about!

As soon as I buy a borax, we have it even for 42r. I will definitely test and unsubscribe. If someone says that you cannot put any unknown in the car, then after Tyrona, who mercilessly scratched all the dishes, no experiments are scary.

I read somewhere that borax should be put into the bait - cockroaches and domestic ants will die.

I also heard this once

I read somewhere that borax should be put into the bait - cockroaches and domestic ants will die.

Boric acid is the most terrible poison for cockroaches, and mixed with yolk, boiled for several hours, until dark
A long time ago my parents used to breed cockroaches running from neighbors to them.
5 easy ways to use borax

1. Toilet bowl cleaner
Empty 1 cup of borax into the toilet and let sit overnight. Brush the toilet the next morning. Borax will dissolve all stubborn layers overnight.
Borax also copes well with rust stains.

2. Fighting fleas
Spread borax in places where dogs usually sleep (bedding, carpets) and in general where you suspect fleas nest.
Borax releases boric acid, which is a poison (in order to harm an animal or a person, you need to swallow very large doses of this substance).

3. Fighting mold
This method works well in places where mold and mildew need to be lime, but where there is no need to worry about the paint peeling off.
Make a paste with borax and water (thick enough). Spread it on a moldy surface. Leave it on overnight or longer.
Sweep away the dried powder, wash off the rest with water.

4.Scaring away mice
Scatter borax on the floor along the walls.

5. Universal detergent.
Mix 2 teaspoons of borax with 2 cups of water. Pour into a spray bottle.
Shake well before use.

Hello ladies!!! take into your ranks: rose: became the proud owner of the Bosch SMV 40D00 PMM. washing dishes the second day. but confused by some points.
1.Salt, powder Finishevsky. rinse aid Clean ok. when the machine dries, it smells like a washing machine. is it the rinse aid or the powder?
2. Yesterday, for the sake of experiment, I put a glass baking sheet with perennial fat deposits in the upper basket for the program 65 degrees (this is the maximum in my car). not washed off. and in general, dirt came out from under the old covers from the rim, but it also did not wash out. the husband says that for many years she was going to not wash it off. Is it so? Or am I having problems arranging the dishes? now I try to lay it down so that everything fits. are there any other secrets? reading all 60 pages is not an option

Girls, recently began to notice that a cup on white (on black is simply not visible) after a dishwasher has a dark coating. It can be removed easily, even with just a damp cloth, but what is it and, most importantly, why? The powder did not change, the settings too. I began to notice that the rinse aid was running out faster than usual.

I also get periodically dark bloom, I still associate it more with the quality of coffee and tea.

[ppcd]

1.Salt, powder Finishevsky. rinse aid Clean ok. when the machine dries, there is a smell of chemicals, like from a washing machine. is it the rinse aid or the powder?
2. Yesterday, for the sake of experiment, I put a glass baking sheet with perennial fat deposits in the upper basket for the program 65 degrees (this is the maximum in my car). not washed off. and in general, dirt came out from under the old covers from the rim, but it also did not wash out. the husband says that for many years she was going to not wash it off. Is it so? Or am I having problems arranging the dishes? now I try to lay it down so that everything fits. are there any other secrets? reading all 60 pages is not an option

ppcd, we accept into our ranks. I myself acquired the PM in March and am not sure that I can give a qualified answer. But I will try to express my observations.
1. There is a smell of chemistry in almost all typewriters, someone takes it calmly, someone is annoyed, some are trying to change the powder to tablets or vice versa. The smell is still there: either stronger or weaker.
2. I have perennial fat deposits in pans, how to say it, loosened up or something. From the PM I took out absolutely the same dirty pan. swore She had a fight and under the tap literally in a few minutes simply wiped off all the fat with a sponge. I was very surprised. From under the rims on the lids and on the pans, dirt also crawled out onto the rouge. A kitchen knife helped me here. I just ripped out everything that was sticking out. And yet, I have a desktop PM, there is only one basket in it, but like a girl they wrote that in large PM in the lower basket it washes better.
You can correct me.

Girls, recently began to notice that a cup on white (on black is simply not visible) after a dishwasher has a dark coating. It can be removed easily, even with just a damp cloth, but what is it and, most importantly, why? The powder did not change, the settings too. I began to notice that the rinse aid was running out faster than usual.

I also get periodically dark bloom, I still associate it more with the quality of coffee and tea.

And I started to have a rainbow bloom on teaspoons. From what?

Nothing will be washed off at once. I have pots for a week in the PMM first washed. I did not take them out of there until they began to shine as originally. Somewhere with my hands and a brush, I removed the softened dirt. Then the already washed pans began to be washed at a time when using.

Nothing will be washed off at once. I have pots for a week in the PMM first washed.I did not take them out of there until they began to shine as originally. Somewhere with my hands and a brush, I removed the softened dirt. Then the already washed pans began to be washed during use.

the boom hopes so. although yesterday I was upset again. soaping a large saucepan. I washed off the fat inside, but when I took the pan, I noticed foam inside. I thought, maybe the machine will not rinse. the whole pan was dry, only a little foam in one place. what could it be?
Now I think if I missed that I did not take the PMM with an intensive wash of 75 degrees? what do you think? Is 65 enough for you or do you have problems?

When I wash with powder and on a short program - 45 degrees. washes for 30 minutes. I also have foam at the bottom of the machine and on the dishes, I have to rinse it under the tap. And if mine is 65 degrees. or 70 degrees. then there is no foam. And if my pills, then there is no foam either. And about the lack of intensive washing ... I don’t know, I rarely use this program.

Interestingly, when washing 3-liter cylinders, 3-5 bubbles of foam also hang from the bottom, but the cylinder itself is dry. As a standard, wash at + 40C, because there are plastic scoops and other trifles that may not survive washing at + 70C.

By the way, a question for the experienced. I discovered one unpleasant detail: after washing, white rough spots began to appear at the bottom on plastic containers for food.First, on one container, then on the second ... If you compare in appearance, you can get similar traces from starch: soak peeled potatoes in water, then drain the water and wait for the remaining droplets to dry. These marks cannot be removed with a brush, similar to damage to the top layer. They are formed mainly at the bottom from the inside of the container. Now I don't know what to do, to hammer and wash in the PMM or by hand? The containers were bought in Ikea and Ashan.

I wash all plastic, as well as Teflon, by hand. In PMM, only a filter jug ​​is rare.

I wash all plastic, as well as Teflon, by hand. In PMM, only a filter jug ​​is rare.

why rarely? is it impossible? I also want to wash there ...

I also have a dark coating on my tea cups. We drink mostly tea.

As a standard, wash at + 40C, because there are plastic scoops and other trifles that may not survive washing at + 70C.

Why such a run - 40 and 70 at once?
I wash everything at 50 C or 60 C - all plastic is alive
Mine, just in case, with a gel - so as not to shrug.

I wash all the plastic ... with my hands. In PMM, only a filter jug ​​is rare.

I hate to wash plastic with my hands, not for this I bought a PMM, so that I can poke around with it with my hands.
After the PMM - as good as new, and the parents immediately see from their containers - "Oh, this one we probably gave Yulia - shines"

Nothing will be washed off at once. I had pots for a week in the PMM first washed. I did not take them out of there until they began to shine as originally. Somewhere with my hands and a brush, I removed the softened dirt. Then the already washed pans began to be washed during use.

I have pots - all washed twice (after 15 years of working on gas!)
It also helped the soot move a little with a brush - it came off easily.

Recently I called the foreman for a preventive examination of the PPM. It was embarrassing that after the end of the program, there was a lot of foam on the car during the day. The master said that the machine pours a lot of rinse aid, set it up correctly and that's it, the foam was gone.

I hate to wash plastic with my hands, not for this I bought a PMM, so that I can poke around with it with my hands.
After the PMM - as good as new, and the parents immediately see from their containers - "Oh, this one we probably gave Yulia - shines"

I don’t like that under the streams of water he will turn over and with the water then stands all so unwashed. When I’m very lazy, then I’m in PMM, but such cases rarely happen.

I discovered one unpleasant detail: white rough spots began to appear at the bottom on plastic food containers after washing.

You know, and I had the same trouble, the containers were bought there.

It’s not good for me that he will turn over there under the streams of water and then stand with water all so unwashed

Because of these two problems, I began to wash them only by hand.

You know, and I had the same trouble, the containers were bought in the same place.

Because of these two problems, I began to wash them only by hand.

Not all containers can be washed in the MRP.

Not all containers can be washed in the MRP.

Well, if they are suitable for a microwave oven and for freezing, and the temperature is from -40 to +120, then in theory nothing should have happened to them if they were washed at +50 ...

And I noticed that a lot of plastic containers and not only containers that are suitable for a microwave oven by marking and the temperature is indicated for them high, they still deteriorate in the MICROWAVE. "Spoilage" occurs when foods with fat and liquid are heated. The fat heats up much faster than the liquid and the product itself and "shots" of overheated fat begin. Remember the stew in the sauce, where if you heat it without a lid, then the microwave is then all stuck inside. This fat has such a temperature that the plastic is damaged - on the walls, at the bottom of the container. It's just that we don't notice this on dirty dishes, and after PMM, the damage immediately catches the eye.

Here in my photo there are three containers, one of them, round, has markings. All three are far from new, all three regularly visit the PMM. Only one big one never happens in the microwave and there are scratches, cloudiness on it, but there is no thermal damage to the plastic. And two small containers are regularly stuffed into the microwave for warming up (boys are too lazy to put them on a plate). And with the naked eye, changes in the structure of the plastic are visible.

I washed the microwave lid in the PPM. she turned yellow.

Why such a run - 40 and 70 at once?
I wash everything at 50 C or 60 C - all plastic is alive

Beef fat is difficult to wash at low temperatures and may remain on the forks, especially if I arrange them crookedly. At +70, I just wash something terrible, or when my relatives send containers / pots to me for "eating away".

And I noticed that a lot of plastic containers and not only containers that are suitable for a microwave oven by marking and the temperature is indicated for them high, they still deteriorate in the MICROWAVE.

Here is that square one, 1 in 1 mine! By form and by divorce! My favorite handy mold. I remember exactly that my husband warmed fat fish and potatoes in it in the microwave oven, although I bought him deep glass plates for this purpose. Well, schaz I'm someone After all, I washed the containers for 5 months and there was nothing, only "three types" deteriorated and I know which of them and how to eat. Thank you all for your investigation!

then I put the dishes on the table. because at 65 it is not directly washed off. and you rarely use 70. and I am 65 every day

I don’t like that under the streams of water he will turn over and with the water then stands all so unwashed.

Svetlana, I also had it like that before. Now I just began to press the containers on top with a plate

And I noticed that a lot of plastic containers and not only containers that are suitable for a microwave oven by marking and the temperature is indicated for them high, they still deteriorate in the MICROWAVE.

I also have such containers with the same problems, but there is no microwave. But there is a dishwasher who did it to them. More like containers in it are not mine.

then I put the dishes on the table. because at 65 it is not directly washed off. and you rarely use 70. and I am 65 every day

Is the salt / powder dose / rinse aid out of adjustment? I had to select the parameters for two weeks. Or the powder is so "good", because at a high temperature it can be washed off without powder (I do silicone molds, I use a luminous meat grinder, and sometimes wash bowls from multicooker).On advice, I bought almost the cheapest Bravix powder and rinse aid. I poured it into a plastic bottle, I measure out 1 cork for a half load and 1.5-2 corks for a full load.

I adapted to containers: I pinch them between plates or press them with folding legs. Even the valves from my multicooker in the PMM - now they are super-clean

PS I took out 4 containers, 2 of which my husband actively used to warm up sausages. Sausages usually touch him in the corners - it was there that the white traces were found. That's right, + 110C is written on the plastic, and boiling oil / fat is 130-180 degrees. Sausages shoot, and small droplets boil, melting plastic. So my problem is solved - let's go buy glass saucers!

I also have such containers with the same problems, but there is no microwave. But there is a dishwasher who did it to them. More like containers in it are not mine.

See, there is a very clear border, like the food and fat at the top.
From PMM, I also have some losses on the plastic. For example, some lids from square glass containers have become diamond-shaped.

Is the salt / powder dose / rinse aid out of adjustment? I had to select the parameters for two weeks. Or the powder is so "good", because at a high temperature it can be washed off even without powder (I do silicone molds, I use a luminous meat grinder, sometimes I wash bowls from multicooker). On advice, I bought almost the cheapest Bravix powder and rinse aid. I poured it into a plastic bottle, I measure out 1 cork for a half load and 1.5-2 corks for a full load.

and how to define it? I'm just an inexperienced user ... the salt was poured for the first time. first, water was poured, as it is written in the instructions, then a pack of 1.5 kg of salt was poured to the finish line. almost the entire pack came in. the water hardness was set according to the indications from the water utility.

I pour a dose of powder like this. there is a 15 ml and 25 ml dispenser in the machine. I go to sleep 25 because I think that my greasy dishes should be washed. sometimes I pour between 15 and 25, well, about 20 turns out. powder is also finish.

How to adjust the rinse aid dose? I understand that there, just like with salt, you pour it into the compartment and that's it. I topped up almost to the maximum mark. how else? rinse aid clean ok

In the instructions for my Boshik it was written that it is not recommended to change the level of the rinse aid, you should resort to this only when there are stains on glasses and glass. As far as I understand, the rinse aid is not directly related to washing, it is responsible for the quality of drying.

In the instructions for my Boshik it was written that it is not recommended to change the level of the rinse aid, you should resort to this only when there are stains on glasses and glass. As far as I understand, the rinse aid is not directly related to washing, it is responsible for the quality of drying.

my toiler has been a dishwasher for 5 years. The last 3 I have stopped pouring rinse aid. Everything is wonderfully transparent, dry, and now there are no those whitish stains that sometimes remained on the dishes. So, in my experience, the mouthwash doesn't affect anything!
Regarding the remedy, I want to recommend this, Denkmit powder produced by Germany. I bought it on the internet, first, according to positive reviews. And then she herself was convinced that it washes everything perfectly! Not worse than the Finish. And a third cheaper.

and how to define it? I'm just an inexperienced user ... the salt was poured for the first time. first, water was poured, as it is written in the instructions, then a pack of 1.5 kg of salt was poured to the finish line. almost the entire pack went in. the water hardness was set according to the indications from the water utility.

Wasn't there a strip in the kit - a test for water hardness?

Here is mine after the second 10-second soak, after the first (as it is written, dunk for 1 second) did not change at all, only the very-very corners brightened a little, but remained green.The only assumption is that the water softens poorly and therefore the powder does not wash well. By the way, I poured 0.5 kg of salt into my own, even though the indicator was not lit yet, everything is washed again! Girls, thanks

As mentioned above, each PMM has its own character: one is capricious, the second is reliable, the third is changeable, like the weather. Try to make friends

Wasn't there a strip in the kit - a test for water hardness?

Here is mine after the second 10-second soak, after the first (as it is written, dunk for 1 second) did not change at all, only the very-very corners brightened a little, but remained green. The only assumption is that the water softens poorly and therefore the powder does not wash well. By the way, I poured 0.5 kg of salt into my own, even though the indicator was not lit yet, everything is washed again! Girls, thanks

As mentioned above, each PMM has its own character: one is capricious, the second is reliable, the third is changeable, like the weather. Try to make friends

there were no stripes. and these trial tablets too. maybe in the store they pulled out my bosh. I'll try again: (sprinkle salt - I'll see. Thanks for the advice.

then I put the dishes on the table. because at 65 it is not directly washed off. and you rarely use 70. and I am 65 every day

At first, I also had misunderstandings with the dishwasher: it will not wash everything, then it will leave stains, then the grate on the drain will clog. But gradually we came to an understanding. I remove the remnants of food to the dishwasher (like everyone else), arrange the dishes with distances (I put the plates in one division most often) and, in my opinion, the most important thing is that I switched to another powder - German Claro 3in1. Although I add salt and rinse aid. Salt once a year, immediately a pack, rinse when it ends. I put the program at 55 degrees. Washes everything, or almost everything, the dishes squeak, glasses and spoons shine, the drain grate is clean.
So experiment and you will succeed.

there were no stripes. and these trial tablets too. maybe in the store they pulled out my bosh.

And I, too, did not have any strips or pills, also Bosch.

My claro does not wash only the Luminarkov brown mug .. traces of tea / coffee (although the child drinks water and kefir from this mug) still remain ... but on the transparent Luminarkov mugs nearly everything was washed to a shine ...

I have a Kaiser, all the settings are factory, I don't even know de there and what is regulated. bad soap for a year. it turns out because of the thing that starts the machine, changed it and now washes everything to shine

At first, I also had misunderstandings with the dishwasher: it will not wash everything, then it will leave stains, then the grate on the drain will clog. But gradually we came to an understanding. I remove the remnants of food to the dishwasher (like everyone else), arrange the dishes with distances (I put the plates in one division most often) and, in my opinion, the most important thing is that I switched to another powder - German Claro 3in1. Although I add salt and rinse aid. Salt once a year, immediately a pack, rinse when it ends. I put the program at 55 degrees. Washes everything, or almost everything, the dishes squeak, glasses and spoons shine, the drain grate is clean.
So experiment and you will succeed.

Ltd. Where did you buy it? my husband drove off to Ulyanovsk today on a business trip: D can buy it on the way. otherwise I still think, maybe my finish is a fake. In general, in our city I look at the choice of tools for the PMM small. or simply did not pay attention earlier.
but basically, if the salt, powder and rinse aid are different?

Well, I still forgot to unsubscribe that there are no problems with new dishes - everything is clean. does not wash only old stuff.

It doesn’t matter if different salt, conditioner and powder.

Wasn't there a strip in the kit - a test for water hardness?

In short, I was tortured to buy salt every 3 days "asked"
But in fairness, I note that there was Indesit, in which the salt flow was not installed and finally the lid turned out to be leaky, and even the drain pump flew - and that's EVERYTHING in six months - in short, we handed it back
But now Bosch 60 - everything is regulated: both salt and rinse aid - I put everything on 2-ku and pour the powder - I drive for a week - while there is silence
I bought Frau Gretta pills yesterday, but haven't tried it yet. Here the girls wrote that they were not bad, I will try and write

Girls, tell me, please, how to place a baking sheet in the pmm, see sideways I tried - what's wrong ... maybe I'm not loading correctly

Stand and slightly obliquely into the lower basket. I put it like this at 45 cm. Everything is included.

Girls, tell me, please, how to place a baking sheet in the pmm, see sideways I tried - what's wrong ... maybe I'm not loading correctly

Depends on the size of the baking sheet. In order to put a baking sheet, you need to remove the upper basket and put on a special nozzle for washing baking sheets.

I subscribe to the topic.
Today I walked around the shops, found only Finish and Kolgonit. Do not take?

I subscribe to the topic.
Today I walked around the shops, found only Finish and Kolgonit. Do not take?

Why not take? Ten years by them (this is one and the same) mine and all the way. I don't understand why they are scolding? The only assumption is that our water is very soft, maybe that's why everything is fine? And the choice is not great. If you do not take the Finish, then you will have to wash it with your hands or travel half the city in search of another means.

Depends on the size of the baking sheet. In order to put a baking sheet, you need to remove the upper basket and put on a special nozzle for washing baking sheets.

And I have so ..

Today I walked around the shops, found only Finish and Kolgonit. Do not take?

I have a Finish gel "All in 1". Like.

Why not take? Ten years by them (this is one and the same) mine and all the way. I don't understand why they are scolding? The only assumption is that our water is very soft, maybe that's why everything is fine? And the choice is not great. If you do not take the Finish, then you will have to wash it with your hands or travel half the city in search of another means.

And we also have not great choice, my Finish, everything washes perfectly, there are no streaks or stains.