Daffi
Quote: tana77

yes not bad brown, but the kitchen is small and I would like a mini-food processor, what can you say
Bosch MUM takes up little space on the table, it has a shredder, blender, stationary mixer and even a meat grinder with a citrus juicer. If you need an inexpensive one, take the model without a meat grinder and juicer.

If you need a mini-processor, look at the Brown 550 or 570 hand blender with 1.5 bowls and shredders. These Phillips do not pull on the "mini", they are rather big.
Hummingbird
Daffi, brought thanks for your advice. I bought Brown 570. I'm very happy. This is exactly what I needed.
Daffi
Quote: Hummingbird

Daffi, brought thanks for your advice. I bought Brown 570. I'm very happy. This is exactly what I needed.
Glad I could help you. The main thing is that you like it. And the functionality of these devices is not worse than that of many combines. Moreover, there are advantages in the form of an iron leg and a chopper. It is the latter devices that are used most often, and not at all a large bowl in a combine, as many think.
If you add a hand mixer to such a device, nothing else is needed.

tana77
Daffi I see you have a Phillips 7605, what can you say about it, they are very praised on the internet.
Daffi
Quote: tana77

Daffi I see you have a Phillips 7605, what can you say about it, they are very praised on the internet.
I have already answered this question:
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...22571.0

There are other opinions:
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...22571.0
Tserekyan
Girls, I ask you for advice!))) I want to buy myself a food processor, it should:
1. Beat whites for biscuits
2.beat the dough
3.the meat grinder so that it is not bad (mine broke down and I plan to grind it with a combine)
4. Graters-shredders so that they were)))
Socks are not necessary to be included in the kit immediately, but so that you can purchase them.
I would like up to 15 thousand rubles.
For now, I'm choosing between the Bosch MUM 8400 (you can buy it for 14 in Russia) and the KitchenAid Artisan (you can order it from America, I'll keep within 14). The question, of course, is already boring for everyone, but ... WHAT IS BETTER ???
Daffi
Quote: Tserekyan

Girls, I ask you for advice!))) I want to buy myself a food processor, it should:
1. Beat whites for biscuits
2.beat the dough
3.the meat grinder so that it is not bad (mine broke down and I plan to grind it with a combine)
4. Graters-shredders so that they were)))
Socks are not necessary to be included in the kit immediately, but so that you can purchase them.
I would like up to 15 thousand rubles.
For now, I'm choosing between the Bosch MUM 8400 (you can buy it for 14 in Russia) and the KitchenAid Artisan (you can order it from America, I'll keep within 14). The question, of course, is already boring for everyone, but ... WHAT IS BETTER ???
American Kitchen Aid is rated at 110 Volts. So add the cost of the transformer. The meat grinder and shredders are not included in the set, they will need to be purchased. And yes, you will not have a guarantee for this device, as far as I understand.
The attachments for your American Kitchen Aid will have to be ordered from America, because the local ones (judging by the posts in LJ) are not always suitable.

The Bosch MUM 8400 kit does not include a meat grinder and graters / shredders, you need to buy everything in addition, you will not keep up with 15,000. This model is discontinued.

You have 3 options:
1. Add money to buy a Bosch 8400 combine.
2. Choose something else, for example Bosch MUM 5 series or Kenwood Chief.
3. Buy Kitchen Aid without a guarantee from America, spit on 110 volts. To buy a rather big transformer and additional nozzles, paying for the delivery of all this to Russia. I doubt that you will keep within 15,000 rubles, but you can try.
Tserekyan
Yes, I know about 110 Volts, this is the main thing that scares ... (Although we even somehow managed to remake a chandelier from America from Loss, with the help of electricians, it’s true))) Kitchen looked at Angl ibey, it is there for 400 euros. There, in theory, the tension is as we should have ...
Bosch is this Bosch MUM 86R1? or what?
I went to read reviews about Bosch MUM 5 ... oh, these eternal torments of choice (((

Daffi
Bosch MUM is produced in three series MUM 4, MUM 5 and MUM 8 (professional). Combines from different series are one and the same base with small variations.That is, in series 4 they produce devices with a power of 550 and 600 W, in series 5 they changed the design and slightly increased the power (700 and 900 W), in series 8 the combines were called professional, increased in size, reduced the configuration and increased the power to 1400 and 1600 W respectively.

By and large, these combines are the same, only the power is different and outwardly they are slightly different. The set of nozzles is the same for different series, except that in the 8th series, nozzles for rolling dough and "making pasta" were added. For Series 5, you can purchase a dicing attachment if needed.

If you do not make cakes to order, do not bake in industrial quantities, you can limit yourself to Bosch MUM 5 series. Good luck with your choice.

What does it mean to "beat the dough"?

UPD The meat grinder in BOSH MUM is not bad, but it will not pull meat with veins and bones. She only needs to serve the pulp!
Babushka
I have a MUM 86A, plus a shredder and dough sheeter. I love it very much. Separate meat grinder moulinex.
Daffi
Quote: Babushka

I have a MUM 86A, plus a shredder and dough sheeter. I love it very much. Separate meat grinder moulinex.
Nobody argues that the harvester is beautiful, but the task here is to keep within 15,000 rubles. So ... either choose something else or add money.
Tserekyan
Quote: Daffi

If you do not make cakes to order, do not bake in industrial quantities, you can limit yourself to Bosch MUM 5 series. Good luck with your choice.

What does it mean to "beat the dough"?
No, I don't bake on an industrial scale, I do it to order from my family))) I bake 2 times a week)
Beat, that is, knead)))
Daffi
Quote: Tserekyan

No, I don't bake on an industrial scale, I do it to order from my family))) I bake 2 times a week)
Beat, that is, knead)))
Clearly, then look towards Bosch MUM 5 series with a power of 900 W (or 700 W, if you want to save money), they cost around 10-11 thousand rubles or less.

If you need dicing, take the Bosch MUM 54251
If the cubes are not needed, take Bosch MUM 54240 (10,970 rubles) or Bosch MUM 56340 (12,300 rubles) (all the same, but a different color and there is an automatic cable winding, which is why the price is higher).

If you need to knead yeast dough, buy a bread maker. If you don't trust my words, believe the impressions of Luda mariana-aga (mariana-aga.livejournal.com). She didn’t have any kind of kneaders, but after buying a bread machine, she sent them all to the shelf.
Tserekyan
Daffi, thanks for your answers!
Can I torture you again?))) And how is the Bosch MUM 54251 meat grinder? I don’t plan to twist meat with bones))) It is very tempting because of the terrible number of attachments in the kit ... but again there is Bosch MUM 86R1 (the cheapest price for it is 15.500 rubles) and purchase a meat grinder attachment for it after a while , he is more powerful, which means his meat grinder should work better, but not a fact ...
Daffi
You ask me as if I have all these combines. I don't have them, I saw them in the pictures and once in a store, at home only Bosch MUM 4655 with a power of 550 W (this is the 4th series). The meat grinder in it is normal, not too powerful, but without any problems it twists chicken fillet, meat without bones and veins, dried fruits, tomatoes, black currants, lemons, nuts. To be honest, I do not use a meat grinder after I bought a Brown 530 blender. Now, if I need to make minced meat, chop nuts, twist tomatoes or berries, I take out the chopper from the blender.

And why do you need a very powerful meat grinder, what are you going to "grind" in it?

If you really want to buy a BOSCH MUM professional series - buy it. It is powerful - 1400 W, it has a 5.4 L bowl and a 1.5 L blender. Because of this, the harvester is 1.5 times larger and also heavy. This machine was created for the difficult conditions of cafes, bars, restaurants. If you need to knead 3 kg of yeast dough, then this unit is ideal.

Combines 4 and 5 series are intended for home use. They are light, small, the bowl is 3.9 liters, and the mixer is 0.75-1 liters. They take up little space, there are many nozzles, you can buy more if you want. So it's a great home appliance. Even if you buy a Bosch MUM 54251 with a cube cutter, you should buy three discs for it (french fries, julienne aka Korean carrots and a medium grater / shredder). The included discs don't do what they want. They have too large and too small holes (did they do that on purpose?). Someone buys a grinder mill, a screw juicer (for berries and tomatoes), a multi-mixer.

If I understood correctly, the turns in all series are the same. And more power allows you to mix more viscous dough with less effort.Although my Bosch is not that powerful, he copes with any task. And what does not cope with, the bread maker helps.
tyumenochka
Quote: Daffi

Although my Bosch is not that powerful, he copes with any task. And what does not cope with, the bread maker helps.
I also want a Bosch MUM54251, and I can't buy it (but this is a separate song). And my question is - tell me please, and your Bosch also kneads yeast dough, or it is better to buy a bread maker, because I also read here on the forum that the bread maker does knead the dough better. The husband is already angry and says choose one thing, otherwise you will force the whole kitchen with your devices. And I want both.
Daffi
Quote: tyumenochka

I also want a Bosch MUM54251, and I can't buy it (but this is a separate song). And my question is - tell me please, and your Bosch also kneads yeast dough, or it is better to buy a bread maker, because I also read here on the forum that the bread maker does knead the dough better. The husband is already angry and says choose one thing, otherwise you will force the whole kitchen with your devices. And I want both.
Take both the harvester and the bread maker. And the husband will later appreciate your entrepreneurial spirit when he gobbles up what you cook.

I don’t use a yeast dough processor because I have a bread maker for that. I have kneaded the yeast dough three or four times in a food processor, he does it, but I feel sorry for him, he squeaks and complains.
Sandy
I have a Bosch MUM 8, I knead the dough in it when you need a lot (for example, for Easter cakes), and if you need a little, then in a bread maker. I use both that and that all the time, take everything you will not regret if you bake often
bambler
That's it, the brain is boiling and therefore I ask for collective help)
I love technology and I have a cartoon cooker, a bread maker, a mixer (with whisks, with a blender leg and a chopper glass). And I have a combine (4.5 years old) PHILIPS HR-7768 Essense. But from him I only use a meat grinder and am not happy with it (maybe the knives were just dull, but the last minced meat was like porridge in general).
And I have a husband) who loves to eat, eat deliciously, loves me and loves how I cook. Therefore, he doesn’t care about this whole army of equipment and he is ready to finance my next desire - a kitchen machine / combine (all the more, we are completing the dacha and all the equipment will be very useful there).
2 weeks I read the forum, almost decided that I want Kenwood. But I can't decide which one is 010 or 020. In principle, I rarely cook in large quantities, so the question arose. 2 squirrels, a glass of flour and sugar - the most commonly used recipe (daughter loves very much). And here is the question: will I not look for this dough at 020 ??? The maximum dough is for Easter, but I still bake for 2 days, that is, I make 2 portions of dough. So maybe 010 was prescribed for me after all?
(Why am I suffering: I read the phrase here that none of the owners of 020 regretted that the bowl was large, but 010 was sorry)

And then, when I almost chose, the bullshit of doubts remained, my good friend says "why don't you take Kitchen Aid? It's a world leader !!! even Belonika has this technique. I'll order everything from the states, for the price it will be 50 % of Kiev prices.That is, almost the same Kenwood price.Good girl, right? and that's how I choose now? and the main thing is to understand why KitchenAid has only 350W, and the whole world uses it? Or am I confusing something? Of course , I'm not sure yet that you can hang a juicer, a normal meat grinder, an electric citrus press on the kitchenette, but I can buy a good Kenwood meat grinder and store it beautifully in a drawer, and on the countertop I will have a beautiful kitchenade and become my loyal friend and helper? ??

help me, huh? Kind people!!! disperse my cockroaches on the shelves)))

and now, probably, the main thing) what I need)))
I need
- knead the dough (although HP kneads it perfectly, but for charlotte and biscuits + cream - there is only a mixer, and beating by hand for half a day is not for fun)
- mashed soups for my daughter
- meat grinder
- nozzle for rolling and cutting pasta and ravioli
- citrus press (there is a manual one, but agree that the electric is still easier and faster)
- a blender is needed, yes) all kinds of cocktails.I haven't tried mashed potatoes from a blender, and I'm afraid that the board needs 150-200 ml, and the blender needs 1.5 liters.
- I was very pleased with the nozzle for cutting into cubes for kenwood, but I love small cubes, I'm not sure if the size of the cubes from the combine will please me)
- shredding / slicing, if there is - good, but I don't see a special need for it)))

These are cockroaches and how to live with them? and most importantly, how to make the right decision? The financial issue is not particularly significant, but still within reasonable spending)
I would be glad to any advice to unravel the tangle of confused thoughts)
tyumenochka
Daffi, Sandy, thank you very much for the advice, I will most likely do this, but I will start with the combine, because I rarely bake from yeast, I mainly bake cakes and cookies. And in the future, I think I will often bake from yeast, because there are 3 men in the house (husband and 2 sons, but the sons are still small).
Zvezda askony
Quote: bambler


help me, huh? Kind people!!! disperse my cockroaches on the shelves)))

and now, probably, the main thing) what I need)))

I would be glad to any advice to unravel the tangle of confused thoughts)

If possible - then Kenwood from the 80 series - then which one with an induction socket

If cheaper - then the 20th
A large bowl is always more convenient.
Kitchen Ide is a mixer with attachments
Kenwoods are kitchen machines

Kenwood tips - better made
And he himself is more stylish.
Kitchen is good as a powerful mixer

When I was choosing myself, I looked at both the Kenwoods and the Kitchens

Kitchen disappointed and now I do not regret that I took KM Kenwood - the only thing - I would have given it up to the 80th series - there are more opportunities.

bambler
Quote: Zvezda Askony

If possible - then Kenwood from the 80 series - then which one with an induction socket

If cheaper - then the 20th
A large bowl is always more convenient.
Kitchen Ide is a mixer with attachments
Kenwoods are kitchen machines

Kenwood tips - better made
And he himself is more stylish.
Kitchen is good as a powerful mixer

When I was choosing myself, I looked at both the Kenwoods and the Kitchens

Kitchen disappointed and now I do not regret that I took KM Kenwood - the only thing - I would have given it up to the 80th series - there are more opportunities.
Thank you very much) I'm here that day, too, but Kenwood is confidently leading)
I didn't want induction, well, it turns out very tricky))) Although, for example, to make granage, for example, all sorts of sweets) But, probably, I'll take 020)
And tell me, please, is it possible to beat eggs at 020 2? I know that something is twisted there and everything is whipped, I'm just afraid that it will smear more on the bowl than the dough will turn out)
Zvezda askony
Quote: bambler

Thank you very much) I'm here that day, too, but Kenwood is confidently leading)
I didn't want induction, well, it turns out very tricky))) Although, for example, to make granage, for example, all sorts of sweets) But, probably, I'll take 020)
And tell me, please, is it possible to beat eggs at 020 2? I know that something is twisted there and everything is whipped, I'm just afraid that it will smear more on the bowl than the dough will turn out)
Everything is real!!!!
I sigh 80 episodes - as there are tons of recipes - where needed on the stove with stirring
And I would be very happy - if KK did it.
If when I bought KK Kenwood I would have been 20 - I would have taken it without any hesitation
In online stores you can find Kenwood at a very nice price. And even with delivery.
His packaging is very decent.
Forum users who have already bought their CMs in this way will be able to advise on the cost of delivery
Well, on the topic of the amount of cooking and professional use, I prefer professional or professional equipment - as it is longer and more reliable in work
dandelion
Hello everybody! A new Bosch combine MSM 68885 has appeared. Has anyone heard any reviews about him?
Funny :)
Quote: zvezda

I make a small amount in Boshik .... and when I bake it is very convenient ... dough in one ... and cream in another !!! Order matroskin_kot!!!! I have 023 too !!!
Py. Sy. And you can also ... if they say anything ... gooseberry ... too little bushes .. tsat !!!! Let them rejoice at the harvest !!!!
Girls, good afternoon everyone! The owners of Kenwoods 20 and 80 (which is with induction) would like to ask how the machine kneads the dumplings very (!) Tight dough about 500g-1000g ??? In the reviews I saw that it winds on a hook, if the volume is not very large and you have to throw it into the bowl.
I am scampering in the choice like all Bosch or Kenwood, but our volumes are not large, and my husband gives money for a quality dough mixer for dumplings and rolling! The rest of the chips are a bonus to me. Who used Kenwoods 20 and 80, can you tell how much this induction is needed?
Thank you all for your invaluable experience and help for beginners!
Funny :)
Quote: Margit

My friend KitchenAid, she bought it on the Metro. Once, after listening to her happy reviews, she asked me to make a dough in my presence. Of course, the dough kneads perfectly compared to my Kenwood, where the dough climbs up the hook, and all the time you have to throw it into the bowl. While kneading, mine staggers, and her combine does not even move when working, despite the lower power compared to mine. What is the matter - I do not know. And KitchenAid looks super, just a kitchen decoration! I confess, when I was looking for a combine harvester, I also fell for Kenwood's power, my 1200 has power.
Here, for example, is the message that the dough rises along the hook when kneading the dough at Kenwood, though I don’t know the model, but all the models have the same hook! ... Girls, who else knows, you also have (but a small amount of tight dough dumplings)?
Sysopaty
Mmm .. PM came, asking for advice on the selection and evaluation of equipment that I have in stock. In order not to be an individual assistant and to make my answer as useful to society as possible, I will allow myself to change our obviously private communication to public .. I hope that the person who applied to PM will not be very offended by me.

Closer "to the body" .. The person asking me the question wants me to share my opinion on the two combines that I use, namely - Kenwood 086 and Ankarsrum Original.
Questions from PM in bold italics. I will allow myself to quote some of my answers, as I have already answered some questions before.

With all the charms of the Assistant, why then Kesha?
Quote: Sysopaty

.. Not certainly in that way. I already wrote somewhere that these two cars (at least for me) complement each other. "Kenwood" copes with the test of the recommended volume and consistency. The "assistant" has a wider "scope of what is permissible".
About Kenwood:
Quote: Sysopaty

And How unitary kitchen machine, in terms of the number of functions and capabilities, most likely there is no alternative to it (or at least I don't know). That is why he is now in my kitchen. But, specialized, or otherwise targeted, tools (as well as narrowly focused people-specialists), of course, of the same level, have always been and will be head and shoulders above the tools for a wide range of applications (broad-based specialists, given my comparison with people).
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Quote: Sysopaty

.. And in most cases, with some degree of planning, I alternate or combine these two combines. Heating on the "Kenwood" helps a lot. While the "kenwood" is preparing (without my intervention, that is, stirring) the part requiring heating, I prepare, for example, the same proteins on the "assistant". All cutting or grinding, if necessary, I do on "Kenwood" (by the way, I did not like the low-speed Kenwood attachment at the beginning - I rubbed potatoes on potatoes - I spat; but when I tried to cut fruits / vegetables into slices on it, rub chocolate / nuts, cut but coarsely, that is, in small pieces, the same nuts and chocolate for desserts, without dust, I just fell in love with this attachment; high-speed and food-processing ones are simply not competitors, although I use them to the fullest, but for other purposes .. Sorry for this philosophical "Kenwood" wedging ..). And then on the "assistant" I carry out the final kneading.
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Essentially what I want is the functions (descending significance):
- powerful blender (so that ice is crumbled)
Ice - you need a blender or stainless steel, or glass. "kenwood" 086 - solid glass blender.Copes with ice "with a bang", checked. The "assistant" has a plastic blender. 100% will not stand ice. But at the same time, it has one caveat:
Quote: Sysopaty

The main problem for everyone is, if the consistency of the liquid is thick enough, then everything scatters to the walls and lies there, which means it does not whip and does not grind with the blender itself. The blender in the "assistant" is, at first glance, not very roomy, flimsy, made of plastic. In general, it is not pleasing to the eye when compared with a large glass and very heavy Kenwood blender. But, there is one thing in it that I did not understand at all when I unpacked the combine, it has a locking cap that is inside the blender, it can be removed, in the center of this cap there is also a small cap that can also be opened and closed. The plug lies inside the blender, not high above the knives. In general, and in general, the purpose of this plug is not to let what is in the blender splash on the walls. That is, it flies onto this plug and then flows down again onto the knives. Super! "The problem is solved - the digger is one and a half."
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But again, the Kenwood blender is very large and wide. Let's say, not for a small amount of processed product, for example - if you make mayonnaise, Dutch sauce, etc. for dressing one salad.

- dough mixer 2-3 times a week (for small volumes 0.8-1.5 kg), but so that a steep dumpling from and to itself
If you have volumes of "non-pelmeni" dough up to 1.5 kg, the capabilities of any of these combines will be enough.
You can forget about the dumplings dough on hooks / shovels of planetary mixers / combines. This is my concrete opinion. "Assistant" will not help much in this matter either. Dumplings can and should be handled either with powerful special kneaders and some spiral kneaders, at home my solution is food processor knives:
Quote: Sysopaty
I make a similar dough in a food processor, before I used manual brown for this, now, after buying a ken and the advent of a larger food processor and a more powerful motor, things have gone even better. I put half of the flour and all the water, and as soon as the water has moistened everything, I add the rest of the flour. Knives knead the dough into small crumbs. Then the dough is on the table. Just a few strokes to collect all the crumbs in a ball, film and refrigerator. The result - the arms do not fall off, the nerves are in place, the ken is without obviously bad loads "with a hook".
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Well, again here this
By and large, if you really want to make the dough with a hook, you can do it with a hook. But the technique will work hard. To avoid this, you can make one more "trick with your ears" - make the dough in the harvester is not very tight. Then take it out and bring it to the required tight consistency on the table with your hands. I do this sometimes when there is no time or desire to wash the food processor.

- a high-quality mixer for proteins (so that you can beat a couple of pieces) and creams
Both combine harvesters work well with proteins and creams. But "kenwood" has one small nuance - especially at high speeds, and this is in most cases when whipping proteins, for example, an unmixed lump forms inside its large / heavy / beautiful whisk, especially when flour is added. This can be easily dealt with - at the end of the mixing, we stop the car, remove the whisk and shake it strongly towards the bowl, voila - the whole lump is in the bowl, stir it a little and send it further along the technological process. This is a tiny little problem to have a very strong influence on the result, so by and large it is not, but still, this nuance has a place to be.
According to the "assistant" he wrote:
Quote: Sysopaty

I was very pleasantly surprised by the whipping bowl. I have never had such a design (centrifuge for two beaters), it turned out to be quite a productive thing. Beats everything up in seconds. Since it is open, it is very easy to fall asleep. And these second whisks with one metal loop, which are not for beating, are generally a godsend. A fairly thick dough for muffins / muffins is generally kneaded with a bang.Previously, with other whisks, there was always a problem that some part of unmixed dough remained inside, up to dry flour, whisks were clogged with fruits and berries on the plexus, etc. These whisks do not suffer from this. The only minus for me so far is that I haven't gotten used to scrubbing everything from this bowl without a trace. On the "Kenwood" bowl, this is done in seconds, took a soft paddle and you're done, but here this central protruding part .. you will scrape off it for now .. Not very convenient. Not a big problem, but still.
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- a juicer for apples and carrots (I really liked the whole apple right away in Kesh)
I was afraid to take my own "Kenwood" juicer. There are too many complaints about her. In household use there is a Panasonic juicer for a long time, Japanese. I am very pleased with her work. So far, I will not change for anything else. Maybe the owners of kenwood juicers eat, share their opinion.

- a powerful meat grinder, films and volumes (5-10 kg) should not confuse her (although, I have a stationary for 1400 Tefal, she chokes periodically, does not like veins)
The meat grinder is good for both harvesters. Cope with the volumes you need very easily.
I will share with you a little secret about this, just shh .. to nobody .. In order for the meat grinder to "love the veins" it is very, very, very important that the main "nut" of the meat grinder is very, very well tightened. If they were wound on a knife, then the meat grinder is not twisted well enough. Well, or, which is quite rare, the knife is very dull. But this is practically impossible, in view of the fact that almost all modern meat grinders use the technology of "self-sharpening" knife, which in turn, by the way, is a very big problem for human health. And no one pays attention to this nuance, neither the corporations that produce household appliances, nor we - the users of these household appliances, in particular meat grinders and some other similar units. The problem is as follows. The terminology "self-sharpening knife" involves sharpening a knife when using a meat grinder for its intended purpose, which means that when sharpening this very knife, there is a constant production of metal (albeit even at the micro level). And this very metal in the form of tiny metal shavings (sharp shavings, because this is the result of friction of metal on metal and subsequently chips, etc.) does not disappear anywhere, but gets into the human body with the product processed in a meat grinder, namely these metal particles settle in our stomach. Now many specialized doctors, for example, the etiology of polyps, are associated with these particles, which are unusual for human nutrition. These particles dig into the mucous membrane of our digestive system and lead at least to hypertrophy of the mucous membrane, or even worse to tumor adenomatous formations. There is no consensus, but in any case, there is only one conclusion - this technology does not add to our health. Distracted .. Sorry.

- the dough sheeter would be very happy,
I use the dough sheeter from Kenwood, for one reason - I bought it before I bought the "assistant". Well, it turned out that there are many duplicated baits. It is for this reason that it makes sense to take a dough sheeter from the "assistant" to me no, especially since the "Kenwood" dough sheeter copes with its work on a "solid five". I would like to note the very important role of the upper feed roller in the work of the dough sheeter - a technological solution beyond praise. By the way, the width of the shaft is 10 cm, consider this. As I understand it, having monitored the dough sheeter market, at one time, the next gradation is 21 cm on a restaurant roll from Imperia, but there the price of an industrial machine is also higher than $ 1000 just for the machine itself, the accessories will cost a lot of separate money.
The rest is not so important ... but nice to have: a cabbage shredder, a fine grater of carrots and beets ...
We do everything on the Kenwood nozzles. Everyone is happy. The only thing is that I make cabbage shredders the old fashioned way on a Berner mandolin shredder, which is more than 10 years old.And our family loves that the cabbage was chopped with very thin and long shavings. Carrots for "Kenwood" baits, for the very same reason, or rather preferences, for example, for a recipe for Korean carrots, I cut them into small pieces so that they can crawl into the neck of the bait, put them "on barrels", the result is long shavings.

It is also interesting, by induction - is it needed or not?
It's a matter of personal preference. Recently at work, an employee found out that I have an induction harvester. For a very long time I asked what and how I cook on a combine on induction, and then I was very upset that I did not take induction. I will not repeat my mistake and upset people without induction on the combine. I'll just say - we (my wife and I) are used to using the induction of the combine very often. In most cases, not for the main cooking (although this is enough), for some auxiliary preparations that require attention - it is very convenient, for example, it saves a lot of time in the kitchen.

If you have not loaded much and will have time, help with advice to make a choice ..
Dear, I am not afraid of this word kitchen friend and colleague, I cannot make this decision for you. I can advise you to go, if you have the opportunity to touch it with your hands, look with your eyes, personally at specific brands and models. It's like choosing a car. I am sure that in most cases, people do not care about the characteristics of this or that brand of car, it is important for them: firstly, it is comfortable to invest in the budget, and secondly, is there a “soul” to a particular brand and model. So he sat down, poknyapal on the buttons, twisted the steering wheel, felt the plastic and that's it, you already know - yours, or not yours. Good luck with your choice and purchase. Your husband is great!
Shl. Do not be offended by me for not answering you with a private forum communication method. Maybe someone can take something useful ..
Funny :)
Thank you very much! What insults, such an alignment! Maybe someone else will help, I think I'm not the only one suffering with the problem of choosing an assistant in the kitchen!
Of course, as a novice cook, I am interested in what assistants are in your kitchen (the pictures at the bottom of the message only show the type: a slow cooker, a bread maker ..., but I can't figure out how to look at the model) and their at least minimal practical advantages and disadvantages identified empirically. There will be time to write, please! It is always interesting to read your posts!
Agentx86
Hello everyone.

For several days in a row I have been reading reviews about combines. I'm already tired of this. I decided on the functions. I can't decide on the manufacturer. Everyone praises their own: philips, bosch, braun. Like .... it has been working for years and everything is fine. But there are also negative reviews about all these brands, since many brands have moved production to China.
Most of all I liked this harvester - Philips HR 7762/90.
I choose a harvester, blender, processor

What functions do I definitely need.
1. Good chopping of meat.
2. Blender (not submersible)
3. Attachments for: chopping, grating and shredding.

This model has these features. In addition, there is also a nozzle for French fries and a coffee grinder. This will come in handy too. Whisk attachments are useless for me.

If someone can name the disadvantages of this model, then speak. I would be glad to hear it. I almost defined that with this model. I got to this forum and found not very good reviews about the Philips brand. Many are inclined towards the Boches. Although again. Those who declare they bought these boshes 3-5 years ago. I've read enough negative reviews about bosha. And Brown went bad too. In general, I have a panic with a choice. Please advise that you choose with a price up to 1500 UAH and that there are mandatory functions.
sazalexter
dandelion
All my agony of choice is over. I bought a Bosch 68885 MultiTalent. We have already tried the cubes and shredder, of course, this is a song !! : girl_claping: While I salted okroshka, the child made Olivier ....: DIt seems to me that even vegetables have a brighter taste. But there is one significant drawback .... everything is eaten in one day !!
Daffi
Quote: dandelion

All my agony of choice is over. I bought a Bosch 68885 MultiTalent. We have already tried the cubes and shredder, of course, this is a song !! : girl_claping: While I salted okroshka, the child made Olivier ....: DIt seems to me that even vegetables have a brighter taste. But there is one significant drawback .... everything is eaten in one day !!
Congratulations! I'm curious how he will handle whipping the whites with the sugar. When you try it, share your experience, please. I think many will be interested.
Daffi
Most of all I liked this harvester - Philips HR 7762/90.
Agentx86, Philips makes inexpensive models in China or Turkey, they have the same design and common disadvantages:
1. When rubbing, there is a large gap between the disc and the edge of the bowl, into which non-rubbed food falls.
2. Large rubbing residues because the gap between the disc and the cover is also large.

Up to UAH 1500 you can buy combines Brown or BOSCH (including BOSCH MUM).
In addition, for this money, you can purchase a BOSCH Cubix (Bosch MCM 5529).
He has:
1. Bowl with utility knives that grind meat.
2. Stationary blender.
3. Three discs with five types of slicing (fries and Korean carrots must be purchased separately).
4. Dice attachment.
5. Rubbing for berries and mashed potatoes.
6. Citrus juicer.

There is a whole topic about this combine on the forum https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...ion=com_smf&topic=22259.0
If you do not need a cube attachment, select a similar model but without this option (Bosch MCM 5525).

Another good model is the Braun CombiMax K 700, but you will reject it because it does not have a stationary blender. But there is an excellent chopper, which is much better. You can grind garlic, herbs, vegetables, fruits, rusks in it.
tyumenochka
Quote: dandelion

All my agony of choice is over. I bought a Bosch 68885 MultiTalent. We have already tried the cubes and shredder, of course, this is a song !! : girl_claping: While I salted okroshka, the child made Olivier ....: DIt seems to me that even vegetables have a brighter taste. But there is one significant drawback .... everything is eaten in one day !!
Congratulations!!! Yes, the flour of choice is still the same thing It will also be interesting to know how he whips the whites, because it is because of them and the cubes that I want so much MUM54251 , only more powerful, or am I wrong?
dandelion
I will definitely write about proteins.
Quote: tyumenochka

Congratulations!!! Yes, the flour of choice is still the same thing It will also be interesting to know how he whips the whites, because it is because of them and the cubes that I want so much MUM54251 , only more powerful, or am I wrong?
It seems like this type, and it seems not. Here on the bed either a bowl or a blender can be put. It seemed to me that the quality of the plastic is better and takes up less space, and this is the most important thing! Since there are already a lot of techniques. I would like. MUM54251 !! but it's scary that without a guarantee and then strain friends if something happens ... And this one was brought especially for me from a warehouse in Rostov, so I decided to take it while I have it ..
tyumenochka
Quote: dandelion

I would like. MUM54251 !! but it's scary that without a guarantee and then strain friends if something happens ... And this one was brought especially for me from a warehouse in Rostov, so I decided to take it while I have it ..
And it is right!!! And while I have torments of choice and waiting ...
Agentx86
Quote: Daffi

Agentx86, Philips makes inexpensive models in China or Turkey, they have the same design and common disadvantages:
1. When rubbing, there is a large gap between the disc and the edge of the bowl, into which non-rubbed food falls.
2. Large rubbing residues because the gap between the disc and the cover is also large.

Up to UAH 1500 you can buy combines Brown or BOSCH (including BOSCH MUM).
In addition, for this money you can buy BOSCH Cubix (Bosch MCM 5529)
He has:
1. Bowl with utility knives that grind meat.
2. Stationary blender.
3. Three discs with five types of slicing (fries and Korean carrots must be purchased separately).
4. Dice attachment.
5. Rubbing for berries and mashed potatoes.
6. Citrus juicer.

There is a whole topic about this combine on the forum https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...ion=com_smf&topic=22259.0
If you do not need a cube attachment, select a similar model but without this option (Bosch MCM 5525).

Another good model is the Braun CombiMax K 700, but you will reject it because it does not have a stationary blender. But there is an excellent chopper, which is much better.You can grind garlic, herbs, vegetables, fruits, rusks in it.

Daffi, thanks for the detailed answer. The lack of Phillips with not rubbed products is critical for me. By the way, I looked closely at the Bosch Cubix. Scared off by negative reviews. As I understand it, it is necessary to study the known problems in advance and immediately pay attention to it (use it correctly). Boshi is also very attractive because you can separately buy an attachment for Korean carrots. I will study this harvester in detail. Now he is my main contender.
Bosch Mum 5 series is certainly an interesting device. I understand it is much more reliable. But if you buy a 5 series, then it will come out at 1700 UAH and there are much fewer functions. Most importantly, it does not have a chopper. I have a separate simple shredder. In general, we need to consult with my wife, what we need. This is contender number 2. I studied Braun k700 carefully. Somehow I didn't like it. It seems there are a lot of functions, but the soul does not lie with him. Definitely not.
Daffi
Agentx86, look at BOSH MUM 4 series, for example Bosch MUM 4655 (I have one) 🔗 The price is quite normal, the functions are the same as in the 5 series. The design is simpler and slightly less power, but it does the job well.

When choosing between the MUM and MCM (Cubix) series, you need to understand what is more important for you:
1.high-quality stationary planetary mixer with three attachments (wreaths, mixer and hook) and the presence of a full-fledged screw meat grinder or
2.Large bowl with utility knives, dicing and rubbing.

All other components are the same. Discs for MUMs 4, 5 series and MSMs 5 series are interchangeable, there is a stationary blender both there and there. You will have to buy discs both there and there, because the set does not include a disc with a medium grater / shredder, only small and large holes.

I separately bought a disc for Korean carrots and fries. He cuts potatoes crookedly, but this is the trouble with all such discs from any manufacturer. Korean carrots are not bad, but the section is a bit big, although this is my fault.

Most importantly, it doesn't have a chopper.

There is no shredder in any of the Bosch combines. So I didn't really understand what you mean. The 0.75 liter chopper is only available in the Brown combine.
Agentx86
Quote: Daffi

There is no shredder in any of the Bosch combines. So I didn't really understand what you mean. The 0.75 liter chopper is only available in the Brown combine.

Oh. How inconsiderate I am. I just looked at the characteristics. Thank you for paying attention to this detail.
Then you can really consider Mooms. Do you normally pull a meat grinder for 4 series?
Daffi
Quote: Agentx86

Oh. How inconsiderate I am. I just looked at the characteristics. Thank you for paying attention to this detail.
Then you can really consider Mooms. Do you normally pull a meat grinder for 4 series?
The meat grinder normally twists meat and chicken fillets without veins, bones and cartilage. The holes in the supplied grill are too small. I use a grate from a Soviet meat grinder, finished with a file (literally).
After buying a submersible blender with a 0.5 liter grinder, I do not use a meat grinder, I grind meat and chicken in a grinder.

If I were choosing the first combine now, I would have thought a hundred times whether I need it at all because a hand blender such as Brown 550 or Brown 570 with a small chopper, a 1.5 liter bowl with graters / shredders, a blender leg and a whisk will completely replace a large harvester. The functions are the same, it takes up less space, it is easier to wash.
dandelion
I will buy a disc for French fries, maybe not a medium grater ... I'll look at the price, but what I really would like is a rub, but unfortunately it doesn't fit mine.
Daffi
Quote: dandelion

I will buy a disc for French fries, maybe not a medium grater ... I'll look at the price, but what I really would like is a rub, but unfortunately it doesn't fit mine.
Fries cuts crookedly, be prepared for this, the slices will turn out bent Unusual in appearance, but does not affect the taste, fortunately. You can also cut cabbage with this grater, it also comes out well.I stewed it, and then used it as a filling for pies.
dandelion
Quote: Daffi

Fries cuts crookedly, be prepared for this, the slices will turn out bent Unusual in appearance, but does not affect the taste, fortunately. You can also cut cabbage with this grater, it also comes out well. I stewed it, and then used it as a filling for pies.

Nothing that is crooked ... the main thing is that they are the same .. Now I understand the taste of another, the end result is obtained when one size. And by wiping, what is in the MCM5540, do you think it will not work with my MCM68885?
Py. sy. Now I have to go to the Bosch cubes topic?
Daffi
Quote: dandelion

And by wiping, what is in the MCM5540, do you think it will not work with my MCM68885?
Py. sy. Now I have to go to the topic for Bosch cubes?
You need to ask the service.
dandelion
Ordered a french fries disc for the fridge. RU. , but there on order. Someone help me figure out the order ... when you need to transfer money ... will they tell you themselves? Share your experience.
Zima
Have you sent this order to the order table? If yes, then this pre-order does not oblige them to anything and does not guarantee anything. You need to track the arrival yourself, and when the goods appear to place an order again, only then they will call you back and agree everything with you.
sazalexter
dandelion I ordered it, they bring it under the order without problems and prepayment, some items go up to 2 months, but they do it clearly. You just need to remind yourself sometimes and it is better to register on their website to track in your personal account. As a rule, they give a separate manager on request.
Zima
but they didn’t give me, they said "track it yourself"
dandelion
Quote: sazalexter

dandelion I ordered it, they bring it under the order without problems and prepayment, some items go up to 2 months, but they do it clearly. You just need to remind yourself sometimes and it is better to register on their website to track in your personal account. As a rule, they give a separate manager on request.
Yeah, I'll go then zarezhaya ..
dandelion
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