I choose a harvester, blender, processor

girls! thank you all very much! thanks to your discussions, I understood HOW I need a food processor and make a choice! and how did I live without him? Yesterday I bought a BOSCH ProfiMixx 47 MUM (there are still numbers, but I don’t remember them), I’m happy, I really don’t know where to put it in the kitchen.

Nobody has such a blender?
And this is an interesting storage solution - wall mounting

Polaris (USA), Scarlett (GB), Vitek (Germany), Bork (Germany) and many others have absolutely nothing to do with them (in brackets), they allegedly have no origin, pure China with Slavic masters. That is, there is a specific divorce of buyers greedy for foreign brands.
I would not recommend that you take the technique of such, if I may say so, "brands", well, except that there is very little money and is not foreseen, but I just want it ...

I would not recommend that you take the technique of such, if I may say so, "brands", well, except that there is very little money and is not foreseen, but I just want it ...

I support True Bork is extremely rare in our country, I don't have it, but the rest of the brands are beautiful and cheap fragility instead of expensive longevity (IMHO). When the house has something to compare with, then you feel the difference. And so, for the first acquaintance or in the absence of other "thoroughbred" models, you can buy a "try" if, again, it is very, very necessary.

Polaris (USA), Scarlett (GB), Vitek (Germany), Bork (Germany) and many others have absolutely nothing to do with them (in brackets), they allegedly have no origin, ....
I would not recommend that you take the technique of such, if I may say so, "brands", well, except that there is very little money and is not foreseen, but I just want it ...

Technique - it is technique, how lucky with it. It happens that you get lucky with Scarlett, and the bought "enthusiasm" Brown will order you to live a long time in a couple of days (well, if at the end of the warranty period).

... but the rest of the brands are beautiful and cheap fragility instead of expensive longevity (IMHO). When the house has something to compare with, then you feel the difference. And so, for the first acquaintance or in the absence of other "thoroughbred" models, you can buy a "try" if, again, it is very, very necessary.

What durable modern Brands would you recommend? Brown, Bosch and Phillips? Are you sure that your words about the longevity of these Brands always correspond to the current reality?

Nobody has such a blender?

I have an Orion blender, though Orion ORB-011. I have been using it for three years. What can I say - very happy! The price is simply ridiculous - I bought it for 180 UAH. An excellent chopper (crushes even nuts without straining), the leg is excellent (mayonnaise, etc.), and whatever they say, the whisk is also not bad! Beat eggs regularly for an omelet - a fluffy omelet!
And the impetus for buying a cheap blender was just complaints about brands ... I decided, I will try, I will not like it - I will buy it at a higher price ... I don’t regret buying !!!

As for the nom names - when I got to the Bread Maker. ru, got infected with deviceogoly ... I wanted to try everything, but there was not enough money for everything ... So I trained on cats on non-names ... I have a wagon of kitchen appliances, brands of nothing - a Bosch combine and a Panasonic multicooker ... The rest is Saturn, Klatronic, Binaton, there are a couple figovin devices without a name at all - a deep fryer and a double boiler, I received as a gift from the Book Club, and I'm quite happy with them!
I'm only dissatisfied with the submersible pancake maker and the coffee maker for 1 cup ... The pancake maker flew into the trash can, and my girlfriend squeaks from the coffee maker, she needed such a coffee maker for 1 cup ...

I have a mixer - either Saturn or Orion. I didn’t buy it, so I don’t remember the name, but I can’t see it - it’s renovated, everything is packed into boxes and bags. My daughter was presented at some presentation about eight or even ten years ago. The power is disgusting, seemingly orphaned. I'm thinking about something new. But somehow it is not with the hand of the working technique to throw away. I'm waiting for it to break down to buy a new one. And he still works and works, whips and whips everything. And at the same time it's quite good!
But sooner or later you will have to buy a replacement. And I already know: I won't buy expensive. Most likely I will buy Zelmer. Or maybe Orion or Saturn, only with more power. Or Polaris - I have this brand SV. Not to say that without complaints. But here's what's interesting: all my claims are reduced solely to the quality of the non-stick coating, the pressure cooker itself is excellent, albeit cheap.
Both multi-cookers and the airfryer are very budgetary, but everything works fine (mmm). The blender, again, is from the very inexpensive category, while plugging any brown with a Bosch into the belt. Moreover, he has a two-year warranty, and the warranty replacement: a damaged device is not repaired, but replaced with a new one. There are a year warranty for famous brands, and there are a lot of complaints that the device is enough for exactly the warranty period, after which the question of buying a new one arises. As an alternative - expensive renovation of the old one (which is barely a year old!).
So it's a moot point. Personally, I am wary of brands. The quality of their products has dropped significantly, the price is not going to fall, if it changes - only upwards. Non-names can be a great help for a very reasonable price. But I can't say for sure that noname is better than a brand. Any technique can be a "surprise". Here, everyone must decide for himself whether to buy Bamiks for him for scary to say what thousands, and pass it on to several generations, or do something simpler, but if lucky, quite long-playing. Everything breaks: both non-names and brands. It is impossible to predict which equipment will last for how long. Regardless of the name, any technique can fly after a year of operation, or it can work for decades.

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So it's a moot point. Personally, I am wary of brands. The quality of their products has dropped significantly, but the price is not going to fall, if it changes - only upward. Non-names can be a good help for a very reasonable price. But I can't say unequivocally that noname is better than a brand. Any technique can be a "surprise".

I agree with the author that it is necessary to approach the issue of choosing technology reasonably, carefully, taking into account the tasks assigned to the device and the period of time allotted for solving these problems.

Following up on brands. I also have a Bosch harvester. I'm happy with it, it's a great machine. BUT!!! Branded the device has several weak points, well known to the manufacturer, but the manufacturer does not even think to change anything! You buy expensive equipment, and then you have to bring it to mind with pens according to the principle "you are cunning for inventions." But, excuse me, what is the need here when a lot of money has been laid out for cobmine ?! And the blender is a cheap Dex, in which nothing has to be brought to mind, it has already fallen into my hands smart, without flaws.
So the idea arises that brand manufacturers, having worked for a name for some time, have become too hungry and lazy, and leave exclusively on old developments. While non-names strive to carve a living space for themselves in an already occupied market. Maybe their quality is not higher than that of brands, but what cannot be taken away from them is the desire to increase functionality. Take, for example, the Panasonic multicooker - the once recognized leader in multicooker. He was the first to enter the market, and occupies his niche by right. The price is dear to the mother, however, there are no complaints about the quality. But the functionality ...No, for the years this wonder pot hit the market, it was superfood. But how many years have passed! Progress does not stand still. Check out how many cool features are added to multicooking! But Panasonic does not need extra body movements, he stupidly reaps the fruits of a tree planted once. Manufacturers of other brands are fussing about something, inventing new interesting functions, but Panasonic is above this fuss. And for this “highness” of it, I will not buy it. I will buy noname multicooker with a quality no worse than Panas, and with much more diverse functionality. At the same time, for the price of one Panas, I will have two multicooker and one pressure cooker.
I decided so. Someone decides otherwise and buys only brands. Everyone thinks they are right. This means that it will be so: how many people, so many opinions.

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Panasonic is a once recognized leader in multicooking. He was the first to enter the market, and occupies his niche by right. The price is dear to the mother, however, there are no complaints about the quality. But the functionality ... No, for the years when this wonderful pot entered the market, it was super duper. But how many years have passed! Progress does not stand still. Check out how many cool features are added to multicooking! But Panasonic does not need extra body movements, he stupidly reaps the fruits of a tree planted once. Manufacturers of other brands are fussing about something, inventing new interesting functions, but Panasonic is above this fuss. And for this “highness” of it, I will not buy it. I will buy noname multicooker with a quality no worse than Panas, and with much more diverse functionality. At the same time, for the price of one Panas, I will have two multicooker and one pressure cooker.
I decided so. Someone decides otherwise and buys only brands. Everyone thinks they are right. This means that it will be so: how many people, so many opinions.

I completely and completely agree: how many people, so many opinions. And that's good and right.
But, with his income below average, he never regretted the acquired branded equipment from Panasonic, Siemens, ElZhi, Bamiks. And cheap non-names or Slavic-Chinese Saturns, Orions, Scarlets, Polaris, etc. I have never had before, and I will never have them in the future. I'm not a rich man at all to pay twice ...
Which I advise you too ...

I completely and completely agree: how many people, so many opinions. And that's good and right.
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Which I advise you too ...

Well, that's already inconsistency! Agree that everyone is free to have their own opinion, but strongly recommend your own.
For God's sake! Buy bamiks-Panasonic and others like them! I, too, are not rich enough to have a bunch of branded devices, the quality does not exceed the non-names you mentioned, and in some ways even inferior to them. For the price of one multi Panasonic, I bought three wonderful multicooker, one of them is also a fast car. I am more than satisfied with the functionality and quality. Panasonic alone would not satisfy all my kitchen needs, but these three saucepans do the job.
But buy your Panasiks, etc., I don’t dissuade you, and I don’t impose my opinion. I just express it.

Well I do not strongly advise, as you mentioned. I just advise. As before.

This is insistently
Look here. To justify the price of your Bamix, I need to survive about ten Dex with a two-year warranty, that is, a minimum of 20 years. But if I live them, then while my last Deksik dies, I will be interested exclusively in semolina. I will not have time for cooking. And I counted only blenders. And if you count all the equipment, then I assure you: I won't live that much, and I don't even want to live that much!
But there are quite excellent blenders that are half the price of my Dex! Then mathematics is not in favor of Bamiks at all.
Well, and somehow I can't believe that ten blenders in a row will be covered with a copper basin. As my long-term practice shows, cheap devices work great from 5 years and up (much more!). So elementary mathematics shows that counting chickens in the fall, I will not shed a tear even once.
Nothing personal, I will express my own opinion. Personally, it seems to me that the purchase of expensive equipment is motivated not so much economically as morally. Some people need pure work from technology. For others, apart from work, there is also aesthetic pleasure from using an expensive item. A sort of brandaholism. Others are more delighted with the fact that they have the same functionality for much less money. A kind of economaholism
The main thing is that the thing works and you like it. And who is guided by what principles when buying, who drags from what "ism" - by and large it does not matter.

For God's sake! Well I do not strongly advise, as you mentioned. I just advise. As before. And this does not oblige anyone to anything ...
And chickens are counted in autumn ...

What autumn? Summer is in full swing

I have all sorts of things, a lot, I have been using it for more than one year))
Most are branded, well, and a fool

I can say that "nameless" serve no worse than brand

Girls, do not take offense at me, please, for my popularization of brandonism

But, as it were, I have every reason to advise those who have such a financial opportunity, or do not have it - exactly this way, and not otherwise.

I have 18 different units from Panasonic (my favorite brand), 3 from ElZhi, 2 from Burning, 2 from Siemens, and more. For 20 years of operation of this equipment (of course, with different acquisition periods), only one of the Panasonic TVs was under repair, due to the fact that the electric eagles in my private sector started 380V instead of 220V. I don't know what a breakdown of such a technique is. I have full-fledged telephone support (and normal brands have it quite developed, and they themselves monitor the quality of this service). And if and what happens (pah-pah), then I can always repair it without any problems, because we have representative offices of these brands and authorized service centers.

If you need equipment "today for today", without this tinsel with services, manufacturer's warranties, etc., then really, why not take a new Orion, Polaris or Saturn every year? Also a way out, however ... Who is there in our proverb pays twice? I forgot ... It seems wise ...

Girls, do not take offense at me, please, for my popularization of brandonism

But, as it were, I have every reason to advise those who have such a financial opportunity, or do not have it - exactly this way, and not otherwise.

I have 18 different units from Panasonic (my favorite brand), 3 from ElZhi, there is also Burning, Sement and something else. For 20 years of operation of this equipment (of course, with different acquisition periods), only one of the Panasonic TVs was under repair, due to the fact that the electric eagles in my private sector started 380V instead of 220V. I don't know what a breakdown of such a technique is. I have full-fledged telephone support (and normal brands have it quite developed, and they themselves monitor the quality of this service). And if and what happens (pah-pah), then I can always repair it without any problems, because we have representative offices of these brands and authorized service centers.

If you need technology "today for today", without this tinsel with services, manufacturer's warranties, etc., then really, why not take a new Orion, Polaris or Saturn every year? Also a way out, however ... Who is there in our proverb pays twice? I forgot ...

I fully support the previous speaker !!!

I preach moderate brandonism

I have all branded equipment (Bosch, Brown, Gorenie, Philips, Panasonic, Zanussi), with the exception of the multicooker. I can recommend the Dex-50 multicooker as the best choice for little money. So in this case, I cheated on the brands and do not regret it.

But I was going to buy MV Panasonic. But they dissuaded me. Ira, thank you again for that

[Kapet]

Kapet , and no one is offended at you, just for me personally, your advice has no value.Now, if you had half of the equipment - a brand, and half - a Chinese non-name, then you could somehow reason on this topic and compare something with something and draw conclusions. And so ... a very one-sided look at the question.
Now someone will write here that he has all the equipment in China and has served perfectly for many years, and in the same way it will be biased in the advice to buy only China.

I have two branded harvesters (Bosch and Brown are a brand, right?), Some other equipment, and there is a Vico mixer (read - China) and a Dex multicooker. I love them all equally and they serve me equally, and even I have more complaints about the quality of the Bosch combine than to the Chinese multicooker.
And I won't trade my mixer for any Bosch in the world, even if I didn't have to pay extra. I have never met such hardy animals.
Now I'm waiting for the Dex blender to appear to buy myself, they praise it so much that I wanted myself. And I don't want to overpay for the same thing, but Phillips doesn't want another 300-400 hryvnias, because I don't see any point.

Therefore, I never look at the brand. If I liked Bosch, I take Bosch, but not because it is Bosch. And if I need Orion or something else, I'll take it, "regardless of the person, so to speak."

Yes, there are, so to speak, diametrically opposite approaches to acquisition.

I don't see any sedition in advising my own balanced brand approach. This IMHO has never been forbidden here. Just like you, no one forbids you to counterargument such a branded spreading and assert: "why pay more", as in the famous advertisement about Gala.

[popular, easily recognizable]

By the way, just now I thought, what does "brand" mean?

Brand (English Brand, [brænd] - trademark, trade mark) is a marketing term symbolizing a complex of information about a company, product or service; popular, easily recognizable and legally protected symbolism of any manufacturer or product.

(c) From Wikipedia.

So that's the point. In popularity and recognition. That is, popular brands - Philips, Panasonic, Bosch, Samsung and others like them (there are a lot of them now). This is advertising on TV, advertising in other media. Advertising is not cheap, and it is we, the buyers, who pay for this ad as well. That is, I reason to myself like this: there is some kind of device of some kind of untreated brand, everyone praises it, and it has not compromised itself with anything, and the price is nice, but it is not advertised on TV and in magazines. So I don't pay at this price for this ad. That is, the manufacturer does not follow the path of popularizing and overpricing its products.
I understand this because I trade. For example, when I see advertisements on marketplaces on the internet in those places where it costs a lot of money per day of display, I understand that the price of the product includes part of the cost of this advertisement. Not always, but mostly.
In general, when you start to cook in all this yourself, you look at many things differently.

This is me now to no one, just thinking aloud.

Oh, damn it, Semyon Semyonitch, I remembered, after all, service centers! Yes, yes, and we pay for this (rent, salary, etc.). Even if your device does not break even once and dies stupidly of old age after 30 years, you have already paid for the entire service initially. Both you and other customers. (this is again to no one in particular, just to the Buyer).

No offense, okay?

This is a typical shovel opinion about snickering brands, for which why pay more at all is almost incomprehensible. All this is so old, chewed up, and the topic is hackneyed, that I do not want to answer. So the buyers of Gala are biting on such advertising, and life is happy that they are not such fools as those who buy Percil or Ariel.

No offense, okay?

This is a typical soviet opinion about snickering brands, for which why pay more at all is almost incomprehensible. All this is so old, chewed up, and the topic is hackneyed, that I don't want to answer. So the buyers of Gala are biting on such advertising, and life is happy that they are not such fools as those who buy Percil or Ariel.

The smartest people do not buy either one or the other or the third for a long time.
Why be offended? I just know myself what I know. And you have your opinion. That's why all people are different.
So refute my typical soviet opinion. Tell us about whose money the advertising and the work of service centers are paid for. I tend to reconsider my views in a constructive conversation, depending on the information that comes in.

Girls and boys, can we not fight here like market women? Here would be a sensible economist, he would have laid out on the shelves what makes up the cost of any product. I would explain that it is economically unprofitable to make markups "for the brand" due to the highest competition in the sales market.

Chinese non-name is cheaper because:
a) they are not spent on developers, designers, etc. They steal (copy) someone else's and sell under their own name.
b) do not forget about the cost of materials that "bite off" a significant part of the cost of goods. Chinese noname is made from lower quality, and therefore cheaper materials. The difference in plastic quality is visible even on visual inspection.
c) they save on quality control. It is for this reason that the percentage of defects in Chinese non-names is so high.
d) you don't even need to remember about safety and quality certificates.
e) if the Chinese noname breaks, there will be no one to repair it. And it breaks down often and for many.

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OK. Advertising is not that large of the cost and does not significantly affect the final price. I would not say that Bosch, Brown, Phillips and others so often flicker on TV. There are purely commercials, but quite rarely. If we talk about advertising specifically for kitchen appliances, then half-hidden or semi-explicit advertising is more effective. This is the introduction of their new products into culinary programs (Eat at home (Bosch), Culinary duel (Panasonic), Smack (Kenwood and others)). Or the installation of appliances in kitchens in such programs as "Housing Question" or "Country Answer". It is this kind of advertising that affects me, and not the commercials that I just switch.

Nowadays the advertising campaign is conducted using the Internet, but here the costs are much lower. For almost a year now, Philips has been campaigning through top culinary bloggers on LiveJournal. They are given (donated) kitchen appliances for free, asking them to write a post with a debriefing in return. Not necessarily very laudatory. At the same time, contests are held on social networks (Brown, Philips), which attract a large audience, prizes are handed out, and so on.

The cost of an advertising campaign is included in the cost of goods, but as a result, it is distributed to all buyers. And the more the number of buyers, the less each of them "pays" for advertising. The same goes for service centers. And popular brands have higher sales, whatever one may say.

When buying household appliances, ask yourself "What did the Chinese non-name save on there?", And not "What did the popular brand use?" Because this saving on materials, which is always in Chinese non-name, can be dangerous to your health. Think of the melamine in baby milk powder.

Well, what about the Dex 50 then - after all, a purebred Chinese, whatever one may say

Dex-50 is a copy of other MVs (Morphy Richards, Super Chef, Versa Chef and others like them). That is, it is a product of a Chinese OEM manufacturer. They saved on materials how to drink. Therefore, the smell at strong heating.

Dex-50 is a copy of other MVs (Morphy Richards, Super Chef, Versa Chef and others like them). That is, it is a product of a Chinese OEM manufacturer. They saved on materials how to drink. Therefore, the smell at strong heating.

Well, life is generally scary if you read the composition of everything that is in the store and which even your diet cannot do without. So, you still go to compromises with you, since you took Dex?
But I somehow can't believe that what costs 2-3 times more is actually made of super-quality materials.Well, have YOU personally tested them in the laboratory? Are these plastics from different companies? And speak, and write, and show a lot, and each only what is beneficial to him.

Why are we again from a civilized conversation slipped into the fact that life is generally scary? Do you want to believe that your Chinese appliances are as good as brand-name ones? Believe.

I personally saw what a cheap Chinese mixer is made of inside, I can show you a photo. I don’t even want such happiness for nothing. I bought Dex-50 as an experiment. While it works, and what will happen next - time will tell. But the fact that he stinks is a fact. And it still stinks, although a year has passed. And now it also creaks, yeah.

At the same time, my friend did not believe me that it stinks. Until her Dex-50 broke down and was replaced with a new one. And now her new cartoon also began to stink. So ... draw your own conclusions. If she wants to, she will tell herself whether the Dex-50 still stinks or not.

Why are we again from a civilized conversation slipped into the fact that life is generally scary? Do you want to believe that your Chinese appliances are as good as brand-name ones? Believe.

I personally saw what a cheap Chinese mixer is made of inside, I can show you a photo. I don’t even want such happiness for nothing. I bought Dex-50 as an experiment. While it works, and what will happen next - time will tell. But the fact that he stinks is a fact. And it still stinks, although a year has passed. And now it also creaks, yeah.

At the same time, my friend did not believe me that it stinks. Until her Dex-50 broke down and was replaced with a new one. And now her new cartoon also began to stink. So ... draw your own conclusions. If she wants to, she will tell herself whether the Dex-50 still stinks or not.

Normal conversation. After all, we compromise with ourselves when we buy food in the store, it was you who remembered them, not me.
And if we're talking about technology, then my Bosch also began to creak. And I would easily forgive a similar device for 600 UAH, but I can’t forgive Bosch, because I spent a lot on it (for me, noticeably).
And what does Dex-50 smell like? All I have is the valve and the gum, because I have accumulated odors in a year and a half, no matter how mine is. At first, nothing smelled, or I just had nothing to compare with, so I didn't notice. By the way, I would really like to see a photo of the gum on the Panasonic lid after a two-year active (a couple of times a day of use), maybe then I would have changed my opinion about the quality.

Actually, as it was said at the very beginning of this conversation - everyone has their own opinion, and it is pointless to argue about this, the main thing is not to switch to rudeness.

When I bought Dex-50, I immediately wrote that the multicooker gives off an unpleasant smell. This is how cheap Chinese plastic smells (stinks). The top of the silver button and red valve stank. Either plastic, or the glue on which it is planted, there is no third way. When the remnants of these odors disappeared, a chemical smell remained, which is audible only in the Frying and Baking modes. Over time, I found a source. It turned out that with significant heating, the material from which the surface of the heating element is made stinks. This is my Dex-50.

When I wrote about the smell in the Dex branch, I was almost pecked and showered with slippers. They shouted that I was slandering an excellent multicooker. No one stinks, only me. Well, in the same spirit. Everyone was so friendly, I even shed a tear and felt deeply

When I bought Dex-50, I immediately wrote that the multicooker gives off an unpleasant smell. This is how cheap Chinese plastic smells (stinks). The top of the silver button and red valve stank. Either plastic, or the glue on which it is planted, there is no third way. When the remnants of these odors disappeared, a chemical smell remained, which is audible only in the Frying and Baking modes. Over time, I found a source. It turned out that with significant heating, the material from which the surface of the heating element is made stinks. This is my Dex-50.

When I wrote about the smell in the Dex branch, I was almost pecked and showered with slippers. They shouted that I was slandering an excellent multicooker.Nobody stinks, only me. Well, in the same spirit. Everyone was so friendly, I even shed a tear and felt deeply

We all perceive the surrounding reality in different ways, perhaps this is the whole point. And people did not lie to you, they sincerely said that they did not stink. I also smelled nothing, and now there is no chemistry in the smell. It is gum that stinks, and it is a bunch of different food in a heap. And I began to smell this more than a year later.

It's like with yoghurts and their pull. They didn’t stretch for me until Irusia convinced me that they did. Now they are reaching for me.

I wrote above about a friend. She bought Dex-50 one of the first, back in the fall of 2010. Her first cartoon did not smell like anything. And when, after a while, she was replaced under warranty, she immediately began to complain to me about the chemical smell in the new CF. You can draw your own conclusions.

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Indeed, one can continue here for a very long time.
Take the same service. In large cities (the capital, regional centers), it is necessary to keep a herd of employees responsible, on the one hand, for the sale of their products to large and small dealers, to keep transshipment warehouses - companies do not always work on direct supplies. On the other hand, it is necessary to keep a huge warehouse of spare parts, push them to your service centers, monitor the needs of spare parts, both current and prospective. It is necessary to have training classes for training the service contingent in high-quality and often certified handling of products, their installation and repair. It is necessary to maintain a regional call center with highly qualified personnel. Necessary ... Much more is needed to organize a modern business and its support. And this also inevitably affects the sales value of the product. Slavic-Chinese brands do not have such costs at all, but if there is anything, then the buyer will go to the village to visit grandfather Mao to complain about their products or lack of service ...

Really. Dex gives the same multi-exchange guarantee. That is, they will change it within 2 years, and then at least the grass will not grow. Is it so? Who will repair my cartoon in 2.5-3 years and later? Or do they expect that every 2 years I will buy a new multicooker from them?

It is a pity that the manufacturer Dex for 2 years has not bothered to create workshops for the repair of small household appliances that they sell on the basis of their SCs.

And yes, in which case it will not work to repair, because there are no spare parts. After all, no one even planned to arrange their delivery.

And if, God forbid, because of a short circuit in Dex, your apartment burns out, then it would not even occur to you to demand compensation from them, because you will realize for yourself that the matter is dead.
And branded companies, of course, not immediately, but after a thorough study of such an emergency, often pay significant compensation to victims of defects in their products. I know of at least two such cases of payments within the last 5 years in one of the large companies. I cannot say who, to whom and for what, since the information is confidential, but please take my word for it that there are such precedents. Likewise, if, God forbid, you yourself suffer from a product defect.

The main thing is that the thing works and you like it. And who is guided by what principles when buying, who drags from what "ism" - by and large it does not matter.

Tanya, I absolutely support! For example, I bought the best recognized HP Panasonic, and I was guided by what urges I do not know. And then I bought the Liberthon airfryer, one of the cheapest on the market, and also, buying it, was guided by some of my own troubles. I wished for one and the other passionately, and I love them just as dearly now, regardless of the praise of the brand.
So, Kapet, Azaza is absolutely right and 100% !!!!!!!

If you return to our rams blenders, then we have Bamix as a separate item on Urkain. Rather, it’s not worth it, because we don’t have any supplies and sales, and we don’t have any service either.
But! Try to make a search query like "Bamix / Bamix is ​​dead", "Bamix / Bamix burned out", "Bamix / Bamix is ​​out of order" and some other variants of the wording of his death. Personally, I found only one blonde in our internet who did not succeed at all with him: neither mayonnaise, nor whipped cream, nor a milkshake, and she somehow managed to ditch him. I also read about a couple of his deaths on Amazon.com. And that's all.
With such statistics, I acquired it in full confidence that if he gives an oak, it will not be very soon ...

If you return to our rams blenders, then we have Bamix as a separate item on Urkain. Rather, it’s not worth it, because we don’t have any supplies and sales, and we don’t have any service either.
But! Try to make a search query like "Bamix / Bamix is ​​dead", "Bamix / Bamix burned out", "Bamix / Bamix is ​​out of order" and some other variants of the wording of his death. Personally, I found only one blonde in our internet who did not succeed at all with him: neither mayonnaise, nor whipped cream, nor a milkshake, and she somehow managed to ditch him. I also read about a couple of his deaths on Amazon.com. And that's all.
With such statistics, I acquired it in full confidence that if he gives an oak, it will not be very soon ...

By the way, I'm blonde. Therefore, I will answer as a blonde is not a blonde. Service is not present - this time. And two - it's like in the movie Garage, if you watched when 20 people draw lots and Guskov's wife, who is always unlucky, says: You will see that this unlucky piece of paper will definitely get me. So, if you are lucky in life, do not think that everyone is like that and this only defective Bamix in the world will get me. And I need it ???

I've been wondering what my brand is. It turned out a lot, and everything is out of order. There are brands and non-names. I began to remember that it breaks more often. And ... In general, the Hayer refrigerator - after 4 years of operation, the compressor flew. Freezer Biryusa horseradish knows what year - again, the compressor.
But that's not the point. This is where the memories took me. There are a lot of appliances in the house, and they are bought quite often. But it is bought not because of the breakdowns of predecessors, but because of the fact that it gets boring, you want something fresher. Previously, this was the case for most televisions. 3-4 years old and buy a new one. Each time we buy a larger one than its predecessor, and after three years we look - and this one is small, we need even more

With such statistics, I acquired it in full confidence that if he gives an oak, it will not be very soon ...

I'm probably strong. But such arguments lead me to a stupor. Well this is terribly boring, probably - all my life with one blender! Not? I'm looking at my decrepit mixer, and I'm so tired of it - horror! You want a newcomer, but he still works and works, infection! The same is with multicooker. Previously, I was indifferent to kitchen appliances (there are many of us here, "cured" by the Bread Maker), but now, as I imagine that you can live with one multicooker for five years, it is somehow uncomfortable. Do you really want something straight from the tin? No, I guess I'm really strong

... and this only defective Bamix in the world will get to me. And I need it ???

With such thoughts, marriage is guaranteed to you ...

but now as I imagine that you can live with one multicooker for five years, it is somehow uncomfortable. Do you really want something straight from the tin? No, I guess I'm really strong

Tanya, and they will cure you ... That is ours, babske, the peasants cannot understand. I understand you, but so far I am not seriously ill with this. Probably we should tick from here before it's too late.

... Do you really want something straight from the tin? No, I guess I'm really strong

No, you're okay. It's just that you and I have different incomes, and secondly, if I want something new, then I buy a new type of equipment, household or kitchen, which I don't have yet. And the old one, if it fury, then let it continue to serve reliably. Well, of course this does not apply to TV and computer equipment ...

No, you're okay. It's just that we have different wealth.

Fuh, well, thanks, dear man! And I was already afraid that it would not help
And prosperity, yes, is very different. Well I do not pretend. And with my humble one, I'd rather play with cheap equipment, and leave a penny for travel. Because I equally like to travel and enjoy new gadgets.

With such thoughts, marriage is guaranteed to you ...

Tan, tell him - pips on your tongue, otherwise he will jinx isho.

Tanya, and they will cure you ... That is ours, babske, the peasants cannot understand. I understand you, but so far I am not seriously ill with this. Probably we should tick from here before it's too late.

Oksan, your disease is not as acute as mine, because you got sick at an earlier age, so you endure it stoically.And I have lived in this world for so many years aimlesslywithout realizing that there are so many helpers for the kitchen! And how could I know that it was impossible to drag me into the kitchen with a lasso before! If the child was not given that mixer at the presentation, I probably would not have had it either.

Girls, boys, you have either black and white or white and black everything But there are simply not promoted brands that have existed on the market for many years. Let me give you my bread machine as an example. A quality item, the price is unbeatable. Or I was just lucky with her (TTT), but I couldn't find any reviews about the Vitesse technique at all.

You put yourself in an unfavorable light. To begin with, it would be worth reading my requirements for the product you are looking for.

Well, you here expressed your General requirements to the technique, or did I not understand something? If you need not planetary - then Brown or Kenwood. Personally, I would not take Brown - there are too many complaints about the flimsy materials. But judging by the high-profile brand, low-quality materials should not be there, no?

Well, you here expressed your General requirements to the technique, or did I not understand something? If you need not planetary - then Brown or Kenwood. Personally, I would not take Brown - there are too many complaints about the flimsy materials. But judging by the high-profile brand, low-quality materials should not be there, no?

All requirements are in the "Mixers" branch. If you can help, please unsubscribe there.

If I could help specifically, I would have already helped. But what can I understand in mixers, if I have antediluvian Saturn, which everything works and works, you bastard, whips and whips everything ?! No, I'm here, in general, according to your general requirements for technology. The subject is just general.

Girls, boys, you have either black and white or white and black everything But there are simply not promoted brands that have existed on the market for many years. Let me give you my bread machine as an example. A quality item, the price is unbeatable. Or I was just lucky with her (TTT), but I couldn't find any reviews about the Vitesse technique at all.

A drop in the ointment about Vitesse.
Russian brands that pretend to be foreign
Ibid: Bork Electronic, Vinzer Corporation and Vitesse France misled buyers by pointing out that they manufacture their goods in Europe. Here is a curious document: "Decision in the case of Vitesse France S.A.R.L. on an administrative offense",
There is a Russian one. No links to any parent French site were found.
That is, this Frenchman is the brother of the German Bork. Thinking, drawing conclusions ...

A drop in the ointment about Vitesse.
Russian brands that pretend to be foreign
Ibid: Bork Electronic, Vinzer Corporation and Vitesse France misled buyers by pointing out that they manufacture their goods in Europe. Here is a curious document: "Decision in the case of Vitesse France S.A.R.L. on an administrative offense",
There is a Russian one. No links to any parent French site were found.
That is, this Frenchman is the brother of the German Bork. Thinking, drawing conclusions ...

To tell the truth, I don't know what conclusions can be drawn here. As my grandmother used to say, even call it a pot, just don't put it in the oven. Basically, if people make good things, then what difference does it make where they are produced. Well, they called themselves Germany, well, okay, just an elementary marketing policy, which is applied due to the fact that many, one might even say, almost everyone, think that if Germany, then we must take, and if Russia or Ukraine write, then this is a fufushka. It's just that the owners of the enterprise don't want to go bankrupt.When in the minds of people changes, which is domestic - often at the highest level, they will not hide their real origin. I have marble-coated Gipfel pans. Also two years ago they were taken, as either German or Austrian, I don't remember exactly. At home, for the sake of interest, I googled, it turned out to be the same snag. So what, better pans than these, I have not seen, but I have seen a lot of everyone in my life. Immediately, as I saw that it was not abroad, I was a little upset, I thought, well, probably now they are good, and in a month, another cover will peel off or the handle will break off or something. Whatever it is! For more than 2 years, 3 pans of different sizes have been in daily use. And nothing happened to them. Although it is possible that in the near future they will not be used so intensively (some comrades here are actively persuading me to buy a multicooker), but the pans will still have enough work, my husband and 2 adult sons are always trying to catch and fry something.

Providing false information about the place of production and place of origin is consumer deception. And this is an administrative offense. It is very good that the claim was satisfied and a fine was issued.

For the lies of Vitesse France S.A.R.L. awarded a fine of 100,000 rubles. And if such lawsuits go massively from disgruntled consumers, then a liar company can easily be ruined.

If they and others like them have good quality, let them write that the company is Russian, the goods are made in China (and this is true). And the consumer will be able to make an informed choice between a branded and expensive product and an inexpensive, but made in China. Many will choose the second option, but will choose it based on true, not false information.