I choose a harvester, blender, processor

Boshik with a plastic bowl

Sveta, why plastic? I have a metal one and you puzzled me.

Svetik, dumplings dough in Boshik 4 or 5 - in my opinion, the murder of the combine. If you do not feel sorry for the technique at all, or if you do this test is very small. My harvester is not so unkillable))))
4 and 5 with a plastic or metal bowl have the same dimensions, the same rims, only the 5th has more power and you can set the speed higher. If you don't put the metal bowl cold, then both plastic and metal are all the same. We still make bread dough at low speeds and here that 4 or 5 is also the same, unless you test the combine on an excessively high amount of tight dough, choosing the maximum power.
I like whipping and kneading in mine, but fig knows how well he does it in comparison with kitschen and others. Maybe there is the same. Owners of different combines are needed to compare and evaluate.
At Selyanina's school they knead all the bread in kitschen and are happy. It's just that all the fancy chefs do not work with Bosch.
I repeat, Boshik is enough for me by the eyes. But as a gift I would like to please.



Rather, in Boshik, according to my needs, I do not have enough normal K-scapula, as in other combines, for creams, choux pastry. It does not exist in the Bosch in nature, and twig or even flexi do not cope with the top five. This is a very big drawback for me.
And I don't need a lot of nozzles, and Kenwood or Kitchen have a lot of them - my eyes run wild. If we take a multifunctional unit, then Boshik, it seems to me, is also lagging behind.

[fffuntic]

Light, why with plastic

And because Lyudmila Marianna-Aga sang odes to the batch in this Boche with a plastic bowl. But I think this may apply to all planetary Bosch ...

Svetik, dumplings in Boshik 4 or 5 - in my opinion, the murder of the combine

I find dumplings dough in any planetary mixer is difficult.

fffuntic, Lena, the only thing that really confuses me about Kenwood is its stuffing with electronics. But probably a 5-year manufacturer's warranty compensates for this.

And because Lyudmila Marianna-Aga sang odes to kneading in this Boche with a plastic bowl. But I think this may apply to all planetary Bosch ...

And Bijou too!

In general, I like plastic bowls much more than steel ones. I take out my iron to Kenwood solely for whipping hot potatoes.

Mom has a mum 4 with a plastic bowl, it suits everyone, but I fell for the cubes and I have a metal bowl at 5. The only thing I feel is that it cools rather, that at times it is not good to eat, but it is easier to wash))). Probably, if I chose a single bowl, I would take plastic. According to my tasks, it is better to keep the heat longer. But I normally adapted to cook in a warm kitchen in a metal heated bowl, if I really can't stand it, I can help keep warm with a hairdryer. Again, if you wrap the bowl with a hot towel, the effect on metal is more likely to be obtained. But for chilled cream, the most it is a very chilled bowl.
And in terms of the quality of the final product, I see no difference in the bowls. So in some ways you lose, and in some things you are good.

And in terms of the quality of the final product, I see no difference in the bowls.

The iron one washes worse !! If this is a daily bread dough - a very significant drawback. ((Steel should be washed. I never remember that it remained pristine. And plastic - it easily part with the dough.And even if something sticks, it will dry itself and fall off.

Namesake, probably I'm already quite used to it. I somehow and my mother once or twice and at my place for one or two all these cups and wipe them))). But I have a bread maker, that is, it is possible that if you knead bread in a combine every day, it would seem differently, but as a rule, I have a combine for butter-wet dough, and not every day.
That is, even here the sensations will be different depending on individual tasks. Bowls somehow excite me less than a whisk that would ideally mix cream, sand + choux pastry.

[fffuntic]

fffunticIf there is no money question, then induction kenwood is a great option.

than a whisk that would ideally mix cream, sand + choux pastry.

For the custard, Kenwood and I, of course, exhaled with great relief - that "K" -shkoy, that flexi perfectly kneads.
But about the sandy thanks for reminding me - I traditionally do it with knives in the processor and I like the result. More precisely, I liked it until I read in some blog that, they say, the sand should be kneaded for a long time and room oil. I freaked out, but I keep forgetting to try and arrange it in Kenwood.

But. I always made the adored curd scones from Mistletoe with my hands, chopping butter with flour and the rest with a hand cutter with a bunch of blades, and the last time I threw everything into the mixer bowl and “shaken” it with a “K” -shka until uniform. The dough was soft and elastic, unlike the rough and fragile "hand", but what a disgusting result! Pure rubber is sweet and smells like cottage cheese ... ((Hike, soda found reagents for myself at the kneading stage.)
There is a chance that there was a problem in the curd, but how do you know?

I keep in my head, just in case, that I can get a similar "elastic" version with crumbly sand.)) Only itching zhezh!

[Miranda]

this is not a topic to discuss the sand. But in a nutshell,

the sand turns out to be tough if you develop excessive gluten in flour. It is gluten that is dense rubber. The sand is crunchy if you throw the butter in very cold pieces, the sand is just so sandy if you mix it with melted butter. Soft butter envelops each piece of flour and you get a natural crumbly sandy sand.
The condition of the flour's gentle underdeveloped gluten must be maintained at all times - otherwise rubber stiffness will be present. And in the harvester, and in the processor and by hand. That is, the intensity and time of kneading at the time of adding flour must be adjusted to the quality of the purchased flour for the tenderness of the sand.
That is, if the hunt was a crunchy option: - just the processor rules !!! - butter, cottage cheese, flour - cold !! highly. No heat during kneading. Until the crumbs stick together - further to taste, it will be tougher and harder.
And in the processor in a grain, the size to taste. Chopped sand.
If the hunt is closer to the crumbly version: - in a combine, this is usually done !!! - butter can be allowed softer, but very carefully with the batch. You can't develop gluten. This is a classic domestic sand. Too melted butter + re-mixing with the development of gluten (the more liquid in the recipe, the faster gluten develops) = rubber sole.

Miranda, yeah, I will not be the only one to buy, it will be a joint gift, so I am considering any options.

that dumpling dough in any planetran mixer is difficult.

and which one is easier then?

and which one is easier then?

I am now making the dough in a blender with knives (like in 21 seconds). I used to take care of my Redmond, I was afraid that if he quacked, then there would be nothing to whip up mayonnaise, but now I got Element and I began to use Redmond more boldly. Almost every day I make dough from a glass of flour and 1/3 of the liquid, the bowl is not even mine, and it is tortured, from the word flour.

[Crown]

and which one is easier then?

In the processor at knives.

A long time ago, it seems, in this thread, one member of the forum showed a photo of an apparatus for kneading dumplings in production. So, there it actually looks like a container with moving shafts like a meat grinder.For housewives, such a mechanism can be found in pasta machines for kneading dough and producing pasta Regina, Philips.



ABOUT, Crown, Galina, already answered while I was typing ...

Yes. But at the same time, well, high quality and long kneaded dough has a completely different taste and there is nothing you can do about it ..

Yes. But at the same time, well, high quality and long kneaded dough has a completely different taste and there is nothing you can do about it ..

I don't know ... Processor plus dough sheeter - everything is fine. The dough sheeter also completes the process very efficiently.

Yes. But at the same time, well, high quality and long kneaded dough has a completely different taste and there is nothing you can do about it ..

Nothing prevents you from kneading the finished dough with handles, and pasta machines also knead the dough a little and do not defend at all. And nothing, people like it.

The dough sheeter also completes the process very efficiently.

Yes, the dough sheeter is power.
By the way, someone recently advised, on the contrary, not to knead the dumplings for a long time, so that it does not become rubbery, so it tastes and colors ...

Processor plus dough sheeter - everything is fine.

Probably depends on the test
The dough from Vera-Doxy only with knives, and from Lena-Tim-planetary really liked it.
and the dough roll

and pasta machines also knead the dough a little and do not defend at all.

Well, pasta is made from completely different wheat. There is so much gluten that the pasta is almost transparent.)))

And nothing, people like it.

Well, we're not talking about personal preferences, but about norms, aren't we? My employee, for example, is madly in love with yeast dough mixed with Thermomix. And no one is even going to argue with her about this.

Well, pasta is made from completely different wheat. There is so much gluten that the pasta is almost transparent.)))

At home? Some are in a lot, some of them, some of them, some of them mixed with semolina.

Well, we're kind of not talking about personal addictions

I realized that on the contrary, the question was about home appliances, and not about buying ready-made pasta.

I find dumplings dough in any planetary mixer is difficult.

It is difficult for Kitchen, but easy for Keshe. After trying the dough on dumplings in Kesh, I stopped making in the processor. Has completely stopped. These are two big differences

and Keshe is easy

I have not Kesha, but a simpler Domo, but it is also doing quite well for myself.

[These are two big differences]

I realized that on the contrary, the question was about home appliances, and not about buying ready-made pasta.

Yes? Well, then I'm sorry, I was wrong.

But in general, "many things are not in the circle of our concepts." Until. And there is nothing wrong with expanding them by finding out how it is there actually it happens otherwise.))

After trying the dough on dumplings in Kesh, I stopped making in the processor. Has completely stopped. These are two big differences

Here you are!!

If we are satisfied with something, does it mean that this is exactly what is true? Otherwise, what would we be doing here? It's just that pasta and dumplings don't seem so complicated or refined to us to strive for perfection and therefore forgives a lot, IMHO. Well, except that the regular cries of neophytes that the noodles got from the dryer, experienced pastoders stop responding.
Try to treat bread yeast with the same negligence and you will immediately get it in the forehead. Wrong fit, wrong unfolded, wrong smell, wrong crust, wrong films, wrong holes, wrong color, and so on.))

dumplings dough recipes a dime a dozen, and everyone likes it of different consistency and elasticity-rubberiness. Therefore, a little conversation turns out pointless. Now, if we discussed each of the same recipe and the same consistency, but in different units, then it would be one thing. And so we mean "our" dough, in our unit. And how it relates to the result of others is not clear.

And in the test there are so many nuances in softness and so on that talking about the general case is useless. It seems so to me.
I can only say for sure that a very dense dough for Bosch, much denser than bread dough, is dangerous. But it seems to me kenwood with kitschen is stronger, well, probably)))

And then someone, for example, will generally need a lump that can only be rolled out with effort, which obviously cannot be shoved into any combine for kneading.

Hostess, help me decide.
The task is to knead the minced meat into cutlets, meatballs. The usual volume is half a kilo. The usual need is once a week.
It becomes difficult with your hands, problems with joints ... and if the minced meat is cold, it's a real disaster.
I tried a blender, but he asks to divide such a portion into three ...
So I thought about a mixer, probably, you need to take a stationary one, with a bowl.
What is worth picking if you don't want to spend a lot of money? Let's say, within 3000, you can buy something - or is it money down the drain?

[Dmitriy]

Dmitriy, here it is embarrassing that there are problems with the joints, otherwise I would advise the Danish corolla. Like this:

But I don't know how difficult it will be with him if there are problems with joints. And so I do not like tea in it for minced meat and dough like for pancakes. And if you mechanize work, then any planetary mixer is suitable for your tasks. In theory, inexpensive ones should also cope. By the way, you can look towards Bosch from the younger series. We have Lena-fffuntic on the forum, she can tell a lot about him. You can write to her in a personal and ask here to answer.

The task is to knead the minced meat into cutlets, meatballs. The usual volume is half a kilo. The usual need is once a week.
...
So I thought about a mixer, probably, you need to take a stationary one, with a bowl.

Check out the rotating bowl mixers - dough hooks will mix and knead the minced meat one-two-three.
For example, apparently, Salmer (judging by the horizontal rotation of the mixer itself relative to the rotating bowl and the color of the body)

Important: not all mixers with thickets have a mechanism for rotating it. Even fewer models of mixers with a bowl have a mechanism for horizontal rotation of the mixer relative to the bowl.
Before buying, make sure that it is convenient for you to assemble and disassemble the structure ... Mixers with a rotating bowl and without a mechanism for horizontal rotation of the mixer relative to the bowl will also cope with mixing minced meat.

But I don't know how difficult it will be with him if there are problems with joints.

difficult, because hands quickly get tired, or even do not "hold"

[vdv]

vdv, Buy a first dough mixer and you will be relieved at work. He will knead cold minced meat and dough. I have one and I am very, very happy with it, especially when the minced meat needs to be kneaded into cutlets and even sausages and sausages. Yeast dough makes great!

[velli]

Buy dough mixer First

velli, Valentina, First will be too big, because

The usual volume is half a kilo.

Let's say, within 3000 you can buy something - or is it money down the drain?

If only on Avito? Many girls said that you can find a once used appliance, because not everyone likes to cook and use such a technique.

Bosch is certainly a good option. Quiet, smart hard worker, reliable.

Well, girls, so I got to the right topic .... I took the princess, I'm already tired of kneading the dough. At times, sometimes I have another attack on the purchase of a kneader - last year I chose between inductions, so I approached this matter very frivolously, it would be better to immediately take any and everything, and now ..- plans have changed, and there is still a lot of money for cash. 20 thousand .... I can, but I should have done it as cheaply as possible, taking this into account the question is - where to look? I need minced meat for 1 kg, I make the dough for 500 flour, and bread and cream, there are more volumes, not very often, but they happen all the time. I don't know how to cook a little - the surplus goes into the freezer. I want a trouble-free, not cumbersome workhorse, but not a low-power one either .... watch - I watched the kneaders, but I just can't decide. ..: girl_pardon: 1
At home - a combine harvester with knives, tracks, grinder and dive blenler.

[kartinka]

kartinka, Marina, I would have monitored Avito and bought Kesha, I think he is the best

Yes, minced meat, it seems to me, will knead any planetary. The only question is quantity. But the question is half a kilogram !!!!! For the sake of a pound of planetary take? Yes, you can do any ordinary mixer directly in the dish with spirals for dough, but if you do it in a stationary mixer, then it will not be more convenient to shake your hands. Therefore, if only for minced meat, then for the money you need to take: it is better to take an ordinary mixer of better quality and stronger, if with a bowl, then it is generally convenient than a cheap planetary, but disposable. And planetarians, they are all big, they should not be taken by half a kilo.
I do not dissuade the planetary operator, but the man asks. He may not really use it except for minced meat.
However, I have a question: I quote " I tried a blender, but he asks to divide such a portion into three ..".
It's one thing in a mixer with a spiral to homogeneity, and another thing, if you need to blender, you need such a consistency. If you blender, then you need a large standard shredder unit, so that you can process a pound at a time, it is easier to separate it into parts for what has already been purchased.
Maybe they meant 1.5 kilograms of meat? For 1.5 kg at a time, yes, a planetary or a stationary one with a bowl is what suits in size and money.




By the way, I easily do a pound of throws without effort without technique.
You need a saucepan with high sides so that you can throw without problems.
The main thing is to throw from a height - it strikes and unfolds itself, and into a high dish so that it does not fly all over the kitchen. Of course, a mixer is an immediate relief of work. But until you bought it, just try to throw the minced meat in parts that are comfortable in your hand. If there is a lot of minced meat, then throw it in a separate saucepan. To be sure to hit the bottom there. Well, it's not superfluous to buy a Danish whisk, do not forget if you catch your eye. It is a pleasure for them to knead everything dense.

It is a pleasure for them to knead everything dense.

not hands with sore joints

I understand correctly that this one, for example, will cope with minced meat:
Mixer First FA-5257-1 is kind of like a regular mixer, but with a rotating bowl. It can be used both as manual and stationary.
At a price within 2500. And a 3.5 liter bowl?
Seems like something similar in the video?

And under the kneader was meant like this:
Mixer First FA-5259 - where the planetary mechanism is already full, the bowl is fixed and large (6.5 liters)
Its price is somewhere already 8500

Do I understand correctly that:
1) having persuaded the toad to use the second of these devices, can I also knead the sausage, and, if I feel like it, the dough? And on the first I can't?
2) before buying the first option, should you try to knead the minced meat with the existing manual one, with two spiral nozzles?

[Dmitriy]

Dmitriy, they understood correctly about the first mixer. They can knead the sausage, this is the same minced meat, it may take a little longer there than for cutlets. The question here is what cutlets you like. I once kneaded the cutlets to white threads, my husband asked me not to do this anymore. And I didn't really like it. We like it better when the minced meat just mixed well and that's it.
6.5L bowl - very large for 0.5kg of minced meat. You still voice the real tasks for the mixer, then it will be easier for us to advise.

[hand mixer]

The task is to knead the minced meat into cutlets, meatballs. The usual volume is half a kilo. The usual need is once a week.

Do I understand correctly that:
1) having persuaded the toad to use the second of these machines, can I also knead the sausage, and, if I feel like it, the dough? And on the first I can't?
2) before buying the first option, should you try to knead the minced meat with the existing manual one, with two spiral nozzles?

1-1.5 kg of minced meat are miraculously mixed with spirals hand mixer, I have a BOSH mixer, 450 watts.
The dough on a glass of liquid spirals are also kneaded until the bun, and this is the level of hp, more liquid - I don’t torture the mixer until the bun, but it’s easy to reach the density of the ciabat dough.
Kneading containers - any, so that the spirals and rims enter to the bottom.

So I thought about a mixer, probably, you need to take a stationary one, with a bowl.

as for me, this is a good option, the device itself is removed from the base, so there are 2 options in 1 - and a stationary and a mobile mixer.

My BOSHik worked for the first 3 years every day, but not once, for the second year, it’s not so often, but it doesn’t get dusty at all.

Thank you! Then I'll try manual. If it does, you can think about a serious planetary ship only when it really ripens.

Bosch is certainly a good option. Quiet, smart hard worker, reliable.

What model?

I would have monitored Avito and bought Kesha, I think he is the best

and also a model, if possible ...

[Dmitriy]

Dmitriy, here is a gorgeous blog with a video on high-quality baking with mixing with spirals of an ordinary mixer (minced meat is also kneaded) - the only inconvenience is that the hand mixer is shaking during operation and hands feel it, but half a kg is kneaded very quickly

rus brot

you need to decide on the tasks. The planetary gear is needed for a sufficiently high amount of ingredients, for every day (because you are tortured to carry it, you need to allocate a separate place for it. And here the more professional the unit is, the heavier and more voluminous), the planetary gear is a unit for a heap of tasks.
Paying from 20 pieces for a cash only for half a kilogram of sausage and a tiny loaf of bread once a week - only if you print money yourself. Then it's really better to look in the direction of the bosh. It is cheaper and smaller there.
A mixer with a bowl according to your tasks is more budgetary, or a type of Bosch MUM4 combine (4 liter bowl) can be ironed, there the size is the most compact and quiet of the combines, and there are more possibilities. (MUM4 is budgetary, the next MUM5 is already more expensive and more powerful, it solves confectionery problems better. For minced meat and simple bread, 4 for the eyes)
Kesha is by far the leader in the kitchen. But - this is a professional unit both in terms of price and tasks, and in terms of size and weight
You need to precisely define all tasks, the frequency of their implementation and the volume of products. And, uh-huh, to save Avito to help.

[Lena]

Lena, Irsha has a manual Bosch.

Dmitriy, manual Bosch with a stationary rotating bowl, for example, for 450W 🔗 Model for 350 W Mixer Bosch MFQ 3555. Or you can find the same model without a bowl, it will be cheaper: 🔗

but I found the video of Lazerson, they throw the minced meat on a board with parchment soaked in water. Like this is more correct than my ordinary saucepan

without a bowl, a mixer for sore joints is still not ice. The mixer still shakes, which is unpleasant. Only for a short time.
And on Avito that the old mum4, that in the store, new stationary ones are similar in price. In general, Boshiks for small household tasks are the most-the most. Workhorses and quiet. You just need to take the power, if it's just for convenience, not lower than 450 for the mixer (the beast will be for sure, 350 - well, if you save at all, it is slower, although it rolls too. But suddenly you think of doing the meringue, knead the rye dough thicker - then 450 will be better), and for a combine - 600 W is the optimum, not the oldest mum look.

minced meat is thrown on a board with parchment dipped in water.

I really do not like to take minced meat in my hands and began to think about purchasing a silicone bag to adapt it for beating minced meat. I tried it, is it worth it, convenient?

minced meat is thrown on a board with parchment dipped in water

in this case, apparently, so as not to stain the board with minced meat ...
On a plastic board or in a bowl, the parchment is superfluous ... And before proceeding to the beating of the minced meat, it must be mixed ...

I do not like to take minced meat in my hands

gloves - help

about a bag - this is a thought, only it seems to me that it will break on impact. There, space strength will be needed if you hit normally. But medical gloves are my everything when working with meat and fish. I remember, to save money, I took a package of penny disposable polyethylene in the household, worse, but also rolls.

i like - nitrile gloves

Lazerson - Head, if he came up with something, you should try, and not immediately brush it off.Maybe the secret is in a surface moistened with water? Need to wet the bottom of a bowl or saucepan? so as not to scatter? because there is just enough water in the minced meat. I'll have to try.
I suppose Lazerson would not be too lazy to wash the board.

gloves - help

Thank you, but the question was about the use of the bag, and not "how not to get my hands dirty."

about a bag - this is a thought, only it seems to me that it will break on impact.

A simple one of course will tear, but the silicone one must withstand.

Maybe the secret is in a surface moistened with water?

Of course, minced meat does not stick to it as it does to a wooden board.
I beat each cutlet separately, take a spoonful of minced meat and toss it into the empty part of the bowl several times in a row. Of course you will throw every cutlet at a company of soldiers.

Bosch type combine MUM4

It's like this:

🔗

?
Something a little confuses his plasticity ... Maybe wrong?
But with the same money, the planetary aircraft somehow looks more serious. And a meat grinder is probably better than a normal one, and not a stray, which is attached to the plastic ... probably ...

without a bowl, a mixer for sore joints is still not ice. The mixer still shakes, which is unpleasant. Only for a short time

Well, I'll try manual. If you like the result, I will look with a bowl or a planetary. At once, come on, your hands will not dry out (I can drill several holes with a puncher while I manage - when I put on the bandage)
And with minced meat it is rather unpleasant that it is cold, it hurts worse.

Thank you all very much!

[Dmitriy]

I always violate these conditions, but it stuck in my head. I can lie, but in my opinion it is recommended by Pokhlebkin somewhere, such as to beat off the minced meat and put it in the refrigerator for 2 - 3 hours, and more - if there is ground onion, it can go bad. I don’t remember the time anymore, I just remembered what I had to track with the bow.
Minced meat must lie down in the cold, rest after beating it, and then it should turn out to be it, a velvety structure is acquired.
And somewhere else I also remembered that it is impossible to allow the minced meat to heat up in this process. In my opinion, Chuchelka explained what was there and how. Use only ice water, then the taste does not suffer and the juiciness.



Dmitriy,

I am a lover of Boshiks. I had mum4, and now mum5. Happy as an elephant. I need it quietly and to be bulky, but it works flawlessly and is not disposable.
The dough on the cake is super wet, the pastry is no problem. Kesha for my small needs is too much for me. Although Kesha has a lot of advantages if I did something to sell.
Everything depends on your needs. A plastic mum will last for years if used properly.
The meat grinder there is weak, it is far from the stationary separate one - well, it doesn't impress me at all. There is a good vegetable cutter. The blender is average, not for all tasks.
Excellent kneader, kneader))) and vegetable cutter.
But 9 pieces for a 4-ki, in my opinion, is expensive, today it is already an ancient model, in Fig. Better then a stationary mixer with a bowl is cheaper to buy if you just knead.
Decide on the tasks.

Comrades, I will get in and I will insert my 5 kopecks into your conversation. And I bought a planetary mixer Moulinex qa5001b1 in early November. bought for a share for 11 kopecks. In general, I am happy as an elephant. he perfectly kneads bread dough. (To be honest, I’m a little sorry for some reason I don’t know, and in the old-fashioned way I knead the bread dough in a bread maker because I bake it later. ?)) He perfectly whips the cream, a thick cream in a few minutes. he can even beat one egg white into a strong foam (so advertising is not fiction, but true))) his bowl is 4.6 l metal, 6 speeds - for any needs. his body is plastic. I took without unnecessary priblud, that is, the planetary itself, and, accordingly, 3 nozzles: Hook, stirrer and whisk. interferes remarkably minced meat is able to knead until white threads are also wonderful. I used a hook to knead the dough on dumplings from Admin choux, which, too, he does it all quickly and wonderfully.I needed a lot of dough, so 500g of flour I threw in the bread maker, threw 500g of flour into Moulinex and made 300g of flour in the grinder with knives. Well, what can I say most of all I liked the dough from Moulinex, and I sort of agreed that it’s easier for me to make it in Moulinex and not as long as a bread maker (Well, of course not 21 seconds As in a grinder) So if Kenwood pocket allows Well Kenwood it is more expensive cars bosch is cheaper cars four and five. here they are on everyone's lips and everyone praises them. But about such models that are no longer so popular people do not know them and are afraid to take them. So, I can advise Moulinex and, unlike the same Bosch, it has a 24-month warranty, which makes me very happy that you can use the technique for 2 years both in the tail and in the mane

[Dasha]

Dasha, but because only bachelors and keshelyubs are active
What we have, then we praise. And the newfound mullyub only from the bushes slightly now got out.

There are many uncovered models. And a stand mixer can also be bought inexpensively, I'm sure. But while the owner and lover of Bosch got out again
And how would you advise another model if you haven't seen it in your eyes.
I only had cheap vitekas with scarlet. And I will not advise them, they lived with me for a very short time.

For some reason, the owners of another, also comfortable and good, technique do not want to respond, they are somehow uncommunicative.

the newfound mullyub is now slightly out of the bushes

so once,

on the 26th I baked myself a cake (chiffon chocolate biscuit with ice cream and a layer of black currant, decorated with wet meringue. God in my life I would not have dared to do this without my Mulka, because the baker is my one if I'm not mistaken 6 or 7 cake for all my life))), then since the cream remained and they were opened 28 baked vanilla cupcakes with strawberries and whipped cream. Mulka also kneaded and whipped everything, I just put it in the oven and took it out, and well, I put the cream in a bag and squeezed it out (I made them for the first time at all), and yesterday Mulka interfered with the waffles. Well, in general, we have a high week with her grunts fashion

I only have cheap viteks

And my hand mixer Vitka has been living for 6 years already. Here, probably as lucky. But I also have complaints about Scarlet

For some reason, the owners of another, also comfortable and good, technique do not want to respond, they are somehow uncommunicative.

I would be happy to chat with someone, so we don't even have a branch of our own, the Mulkolyubs have no one to exchange a word with and no one to brag about. That's how I live, one lonely woman bought it blindly, trusting only the reviews on the market and the inner chuyka