I choose a harvester, blender, processor

you can use the AEG Küchenmaschine UltraMix KM 4000.

But this is not it? While I was admiring it, it disappeared from the sale, now I saw that the tab without a price was already. ((12 thousand cost, I think.
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[Bijou]

Well, they took Boshik into the company. Just like they wanted to drown with a specialist ...

Boshik is a good workhorse. But this manufacturer needs to move on. Even less prestigious brands have already switched to planetary rotation.

But this is not it? While I was admiring it, it disappeared from the sale, now I saw that the tab without a price was already. ((12 thousand cost, I think.
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Bijou, right! Electrolux is the twin brother of AEG. Both brands belong to the same company, but they are promoted under different names in different countries.

[Ipatiya]

Ipatiya, Noise is not desirable, but acceptable. Yes, thanks, I'll go to the tamka and ask the girls around. That's the problem, do you need heating? It seems like she just wanted a dough mixer, but here such good additional conveniences

[Mirabel]

Mirabel, heated conveniently. Custard and gingerbread dough, cream "wet" meringue, custard, raising the dough, all kinds of sauces. But if a soup cooker is supposed, then sauces and custard dough and cream (here example) can be done there too. Maybe the girls will also tell you what you can do on the heating.

I will ask here too - I choose between Klatronic-Bomann and Bosch 56s40. I was already leaning towards the first, but I saw that the power declared by them (1100 W and above) is the maximum possible, and the operating power is only 600 W (367 Bomann, manufacturer's information on the label on the bottom of the combine). And Bosch has 900 W, the actual 700-800 W.
That is, Bosch will really be more powerful, but a meat grinder and a good dough mixer, plus warranty service, are important to me.
Now I'm suffering ..

I have been reading the forum for many years, but I registered only now, as I realized that I could be useful. I, too, like many, in connection with the drop in the rate, took care of purchasing a kneader (suddenly it will become so bad that I will die in general, kneading by hand?). I read a bunch of everything. I just could not find reviews on the Electrolux EKM4000, although, of course, who can be left indifferent by the KitchenAid design, and their reputation has already been proven. But due to the catastrophic lack of funds, I decided to look for a more affordable thing. I found, as already written here, that Electrolux EKM4000 in Germany is sold as AEG ULTRAMIX KM 4000, but there are a lot of reviews on them on Amazon and there is even an excellent test here - 🔗.
They compare Electrolux EKM4000, KitchenAid and Kenwood Chef Premier KMC570. And here's what turned out to be interesting for me (in the test, the conclusions are somewhat wider) - Kenwood Premier KMC570 is the most functional, KitchenAid is the quietest, and AEG ULTRAMIX KM 4000, albeit a little bit, is quite a bit behind due to its lower speed of operations and maximum volume of kneaded dough (only 1.5 kg versus 2 kg for others), but the price / operation ratio is much better than others. And so on Monday I bought an Electrolux EKM4200, with a set of graters and a meat grinder. I spent four evenings in training. Well, what shall I say? Noisy. Although my hood is even noisier, and the Braun blender is not quieter. So far I have made only shortbread dough - for juicier (from 2 glasses of flour) and milk cakes (from 500 g of flour), and here and there you need to knead the mixture tediously before adding flour until the sugar dissolves, I liked looking at this process from the outside! And the dough turned out to be so pretty, homogeneous, there were no unmixed residues. After baking, the taste was like in old Soviet canteens, nostalgic. I don't have the strength to dissolve sugar manually, it then remains like grains in some places, but the dough in finished products after manual kneading is more airy and crumbly, it doesn't look like the original, but I like it more. I also grated raw carrots, beets and cabbage for borscht. I would like to quickly rub, although it still turns out faster than with your hands. Carrots and beets looked generally gorgeous, the family immediately drank a bowl of carrots just with sugar as a delicacy, usually, due to being busy, I give them just peeled, and then suddenly such a holiday! I would like to get the cabbage more beautifully - after shredding it was, as it were, a little with frayed edges, and not with such, as, say, after the Berner grater. But the borscht was wonderful, and I also went to the salad with a bang. I liked the meat grinder very much. I chopped pork from a shoulder blade, without tendons, of course, but the veins usual for this part were present, in a blender they are usually wound around a knife. The speed and quality of chopping is super, nothing got stuck inside the meat grinder, the meatballs turned out to be the most delicate. I hope my review is useful. Unfortunately, due to the crazy work I do not go to the forum regularly.

[Peperuda]

Peperuda, thank you very much for taking the time to tell.
The harvester is not yet very widespread, I seem to have not read live users in Russian. I also glance at him sometimes (only at a completely naked model, I don't need graters, cutters, it is separately). I didn't really understand what is hidden behind the words "lags behind because of the lower speed of operations" - is it his turnovers lower than those of competitors, or what?

[Bijou]

Bijou, Good advertising note, beautiful "high calm (s)" is clearly not from the housewife

[sazalexter]

"lags behind due to the lower speed of operations execution" - is his turnover lower than that of competitors, or what?

This lag is reflected in the test results of the Germans, I gave a link to the site above. There they compare the time during which whites, cream, etc. are whipped. Why this difference occurs is not explained.
Yesterday I found out another such thing in my Electrolux EKM4200 - when rubbing a large amount of carrots between the rotating part, the grater itself, and the stationary one, the unwashed flat remnants of carrots are clogged, which ultimately stop the movement altogether. You have to pull out the attachment and clean out those flat carrot rags. I will not say that it is long and stressful, but somehow strange, do all similar devices have the same history?
sazalexter, thanks for the compliment. Years of writing answers to requests from various government agencies. services have done their dirty work.

You have to pull out the attachment and clean out those flat carrot rags.

For all, somewhere more, somewhere less.

clearly not from the housewife

She's straight. I can do that too, although an experienced housewife. Do you think the advertisement would have written that hand-made shortbread cookies are softer than combine ones? ))

This lag is reflected in the test results of the Germans, I gave a link to the site above. There they compare the time during which whites, cream, etc. are whipped. Why this difference occurs is not explained.

I did not understand much there, I just looked at the pictures. Thanks for the explanation. But he is the most beautiful of all three. And the cheapest at the same time. If the store unfamiliar to me, in which I saw him for 11 thousand, did not require prepayment and did not deliver it by mail or in a box, then I probably would have bought it long ago. And the one that carries more conveniently, aches for him more than 17 thousand, IMHO, this is too much for me now. ((

By the way, I have a shortbread dough, which is 1-2-3, chopped by an ordinary processor, which has knives at the bottom. I like it more than my hand one.

I want to ask for this model, how is it suitable for a start in cooking?
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Kitchenaid-Stand-Mixer-Tilt-5-QT-Ksm150ps

[ROSTUSLAW]

ROSTUSLAW, Okay, you can find something more interesting, for example, Bosh MUM5XXX, or else to look for a 120-volt transformer if you buy on ebay.
And don't forget this product:
Refurbished by the manufacturer: Product professionally refurbished by an approved manufacturer or supplier.
that is not new

Girls, hello, please help with the choice of a combine.
What I need:
Excellent mixer - whip whites, cream, biscuit dough (like Bosh MUM5XXX with planetary mixing function)
Shredders - well, everyone has it, I think
I would like a universal knife at the bottom, well, or something to chop, for example butter for chopped shortcrust pastry, and the dough itself will probably be good to chop with such a knife (there is also the same plastic one)
At this stage I got into a puddle - Boshey MUM5XXX with planetary mixing function does not have a universal knife
The harvester is needed quite compact, I do not plan to remove it from the tabletop
Powerful (900 somewhere I think)
In the price range i.e. so 300

What is not needed (well, or not critical)
Meat grinder (there is a separate one)
Juicer
Kneading hard dough (there is a bread maker), but a combine is probably better for cookies?
Blender - (there is a submersible), well, if it is, I will not be upset.

I would be very grateful for your advice

[Elena_Minsk]

Elena_Minsk, Bosch MUM has a nozzle (with three rods) that perfectly mixes butter with flour for chopped dough. So knives are optional.

[Daffi]

Daffi, thanks for the quick answer, but somehow in the old man-tefal I loved this nozzle ...
I'm also looking at Bosch MCM 68885, but it does not have a planetary mixing function. And without her in any way? For the same protein cream?

[Elena_Minsk]

Elena_Minsk, you need to decide what you need: a dicing attachment and a utility knife or planetary mixing.

Whipping cream, whites and biscuit dough does not need much power. I have a Bosch MUM 4655 (550 W) - it perfectly copes with these and many other tasks. It has a huge advantage over the more powerful MUM 5 series combines - it can be chopped, rubbed into any container: a saucepan, a bowl, a basin, and so on. It is very comfortable.

[Daffi]

Daffi, in general, I thought and realized that I cannot decide, everything is needed. And already yesterday they brought me a Bosch MUM 54251, and in the future I will buy a multi-mixer attachment, but their online stores in Belarus do not offer something. For the 8th mum in bulk, but not for the 5th ...

[Elena_Minsk]

Elena_Minsk, great choice))) Congratulations on your purchase. I do not recommend a multi-mixer. I myself thought to buy it, but in the end I made a different choice. And that's why. First, the multi-mixer is quite expensive. Secondly, it is very small, only 1.2 liters. Thirdly, it has the same discs as Bosch MUM 4 and 5 series.
I thought, I thought, and instead of a multi-mixer I bought a Philips 7605.


It is cheaper, larger in volume (1.5 liters), it has 3 discs that are not in Boch.


I bought it precisely because of the utility knives. I thought that I would make dough, minced meat and so on. As a result: I hardly use knives; I mainly rub carrots, beets, shredded cabbage, apples, potatoes in it. With the same success it was possible to buy a disc-grater for Bosch MUM


It is much more convenient to chop minced meat in a Brown 530 blender. It has a bowl of only 0.5 liters, but it is quite enough.

Bosch MUM has a nozzle (with three sticks) that perfectly mixes butter with flour for chopped dough. So knives are optional.

For the gifted, tell me, what kind of attachment are you talking about?
I rush between 2 kneaders. Kenwood-Prospeo (900W) and an additional blender-chopper and juicer for cyrus and Bosha Mum, I don't remember which one, 600Wt and graters (which I don't really need)
In favor of the first, it is the very same blender with chopping knives, but Bosch also really likes it.

[Mirabel]

Mirabel, we are talking about the mixing attachment - it is on the left in the photo. I use it to make dough for the "Squirrel", mix the ingredients for the curd casserole. And she (or a hook) can knead the minced meat. She also makes dumplings. The middle nozzle - a whisk - is needed for whipping cream, proteins, biscuit dough, creams, etc. The right one - a hook - is intended for yeast dough, bread dough, mixing in additional. ingredients in muffin dough and so on.

And I even do it on the shore, make dumplings in a blender. In vain, it comes out. And "Squirrel" is that?

[Anna1957]

Anna1957, I do not understand - do you make dumplings in a blender from BOSCH MUM? If so, try the left hand attachment. Maybe it will turn out better.

Pie "Squirrel"

For shortcrust pastry:
1 pack of sl. oils
1 cup of sugar
vanillin
3 yolks
3 tbsp. l. sour cream + 1 tsp citric acid (stir)
3 tbsp. flour + a pinch of salt + 1 tsp. soda (mix)

Stir butter and sugar, add yolks, sour cream.Stir and add flour. Mix until smooth with the left nozzle - it's quick. You should get a not too steep sandy sour cream dough. I immediately distribute it over the smeared sl. butter baking sheet with sides. I put the filling in the oven heated to 160-180 degrees. I bake for 10-15 minutes, until half cooked.

For filling: Grate 1 kg of apples on a coarse grater. Put on the dough in an even layer, sprinkle with sugar or sugar with cinnamon on top - as you like.

While the cake is baking, you need to beat the remaining 3 squirrels with a glass, or a little less sugar. 15 minutes have passed - take out the cake, cover it all with proteins and return to the oven. Bake until tender, until the proteins are browned. You need to make sure that the bottom does not burn)))
The pie is very, very tasty. On the first day, the dough is very tender, soft. On the second day it hardens, becomes more "sandy", the cake will be even tastier than on the first day. Squirrels on the second day begin to "cry", are covered with droplets of syrup.

do you make dumplings in a blender from BOSCH MUM?

No, in another. I'll try your option too

She makes dumplings too

And I'm doing something with a dumpling hook. And it never even crossed my mind with this attachment. I thought she was more fragile. Need to try

[Ludmila]

Ludmila, I also thought that the dumpling dough would "take" the hook.
Daffi, Thanks for the clarification!

[Daffi]

Daffi, wow, Phillips 7605 looked - really cool kid, and really cheaper! Take note, thanks!

[Elena_Minsk]

Elena_Minsk, Phillips 7605 is not bad, but it has its own peculiarities.
1. The power is small - 350 W, so I grind tomatoes for a tomato in a 0.5 liter chopper from a Brown 530 immersion blender (power 600 W). I experimented on purpose. I tried how the blender from Bosch MUM 4655, Philips 7605 and Brown 530 grinds tomatoes. Brown 530 is a clear winner.
2. Minced meat - no complaints here. But in a chopper from a submersible blender it is easier to make minced meat - the speed is the same, and washing is several times less.
3. Phillips rubs well, but there are a lot of residues. Bosch MUM rubs virtually no residue. In Philips, there is a 5 mm gap between the lid and the disc. You need to grate the carrots in a certain way, holding it in an upright position with a pusher. If this is not done, it falls to the side. As a result, a huge piece just spins around without rubbing.
4. Shreds cabbage quickly, but not very carefully. Or I can’t adapt how to lay it down correctly. Bottom line: I bought a santoku from Teskom, I cut cabbage for borsch with a knife - very quickly, easily and accurately. And you don't need to wash anything)))
Here's a knife - I highly recommend

5. Potatoes, apples, beets shred and rub perfectly.
6. Champignons are chopping, but they look so-so after that. Manually cutting takes longer, and much longer, but the result is better.
7. I don’t make dough in this combine - there is Bosch MUM for this.
8. The dough for liver cutlets makes a bang - no complaints.

Verdict. If you don't have enough money, but you really need a combine, the Philips 7605 is a great option. Small, functional, not bad. It copes with many tasks, and of sufficient quality, as for such a price. I have it idle, because I will cut small portions of vegetables with a knife faster.

Elena_Minsk, Tell us what you do with the utility knives in the combine.

[Daffi]

Daffi, is the knife really Japanese? Or just the name is. What's your knife size?

[kirch]

kirch, I bought a santoku with a 20cm blade. I think it was made in China, not in Japan - you asked about that? For this price, the quality is normal. The handle is plastic, the knife lies well in the hand, does not slip. It is convenient to use it. I am more than happy with the purchase. This is indeed a traditional Japanese santoku, just a budget option. It differs in shape from European knives. This is what santoku looks like. The upper edge is not straight, curved downward. The lower edge is almost straight, the bend is slight. The tip of the knife is dull - so it is almost impossible to pierce your finger. Although, if you try ...
Air pockets are made on the blade on both sides, because of this, vegetables do not stick to the knife when cutting.


And this is a utility or chef's knife.He is also called the chef. The upper edge is straight, the lower one is strongly curved. The tip of the knife is sharp.


For the sake of such a knife, it is worth learning how to properly cut vegetables - like a chef. The Internet is full of videos, you can watch those with Gordon Ramsay. A couple of attempts - and everything works out. The cutting speed will increase by 3-4 times - tested on ourselves. An added bonus - stop cutting your fingers.

[Daffi]

Daffi, thanks for such a detailed educational program. I want a good knife, so I choose.

[kirch]

kirch, I also wanted a good chef. Now I don't want to - I have enough cheap santoku)))

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Thanks for the answer, I ordered a new one, 🔗 , I'm waiting. at the expense of the transformer - I'm looking, maybe this 🔗

[Hello girls, what can you say about this miracle of the combine, beautiful advertising or it is]

Hello girls, what can you say about this miracle of the combine, beautiful advertising or it is

[Daffi]

Daffi, I used a universal knife to mainly chop tomatoes, peppers for canning, where a liquid mass is needed, but small pieces are allowed.
I have an old Tefal Kaleo harvester, this type, only older 🔗... He lived with me for 10 years, and now he lives, he just starts to smell like fired when he works, that's why MUM5 was bought. Of course Tefal cannot be compared with MUM5. And I really like the graters in MUM, but there is nothing to say about the mixer.
For meat there is a separate Kenwood meat grinder, everyone is good, but big, so I make minced meat about once a month in a large volume at once, and there is also a submersible blender with a chopper, Phillips 600W, but the chopper is small there at all, the onion in the soup is normal, garlic and etc., but certainly not suitable for seaming.
And cabbage, especially winter cabbage, I like to chop on a berner, beauty. True, I have not tried it in MUM yet.

[Elena_Minsk]

Elena_Minsk, I made tomatoes for seaming with a 0.5 liter chopper - great. In ten minutes, I processed three six-liter pots of tomatoes.

The Philips 7605 should theoretically do everything faster, and its capacity is three times larger. In practice, everything is bad. First, disassembly takes time. Secondly, the power of 350 W makes itself felt - large pieces of tomato skins remain during grinding. No matter how much I twist, they are not made smaller.

The chopper from the Brown blender grinds perfectly - everything turns out to be homogeneous, as I need it. The blender also grinds well in a Bosch MUM. But with him more fuss. First you need to put some tomatoes, chop, then add more, chop, pour. The next portion again has to be ground in three steps. In short, that is still a hassle. Although your combine is more powerful than mine. Maybe a blender does a better job.

By the way, yesterday I baked the crow's feet cottage cheese cookies. I decided to make the dough in Philips 7605 - I cursed everything in the world. Long, inconvenient, the motor does not pull. The harvester is covered in dough, it took ten minutes to clean it. She spat - put the crumbs into the BOSCH MUM bowl - in a minute she got an excellent dough.

[Daffi]

Daffi, and I looked, we have the same Tefal Kaleo 2 6762 costs about 60 USD. That is, in any way less than the nozzle grinder for MUM-5 (about 100 cu). And the power is 600 watts. But of course not very large ... Yes, and I only need one utility knife.
In general, while my old tefal is still pulling, I will get it for the seaming season. And if he dies, I'll think about what to do next.

Girls, Brown 700 does not come out of my head, the one with two bowls, small and larger. I want it, I'm tired of pulling the blender back and forth. I want the desktop one to be always at hand. Tell me what?

[SCARLETT IS-HB44K01]

Maybe someone will come in handy, this is a novelty, not worse than the above)
Blender Features SCARLETT IS-HB44K01
Country China
1 year manufacturer's warranty
Are common
Submersible type
Type Mechanical
Infinitely variable speed control
Turbo mode Yes
Nozzles
Dough hooks Yes
Puree attachment Yes
Dicing attachment Yes
Grater attachment Yes
Blender
Volume 2 l
Material Plastic
Ingredient Hole Yes
Removable knife Yes
Graduated scale Yes
Performance
Power 1200 W
Food
Power type Network
Power cord length 1.8 m
Housing
Case material Plastic
Blender Immersion Material Metal
Equipment
Measuring cup Yes
Overall dimensions
Height 43 cm
Depth 18 cm
Width 23.5 cm
Weight 2.65 kg
Black colour

Girls, Brown 700 does not come from the head, the one with two bowls, small and larger. I want it, I'm tired of pulling the blender back and forth. I want the desktop one to be always at hand. Tell me what?

I have had one for many years. I am without him, as "without hands." this is the second, the first I burned myself (I cleaned it so thoroughly that water got into the motor and my Brown burned out). He served faithfully, working every day. He stood on the table constantly. After the breakdown, we bought a Zelmerovsky combine, but for me it was not the same. We started looking for the same one as before. On an ad, found in a nearby town and went to buy. It was exactly the same, the year of production is the same and the country of manufacture is Hungary, this combine was used only twice. And now, for almost 2 years now, I again with my Brown, and Zelmer was hidden in a box. Perhaps this is a matter of habit, well, that's mine, and that's it! On this processor, I beat the dough into biscuits, pancakes, make homemade butter, use a knife in a large bowl to make a cheese dessert for children (the same curd cheeses in chocolate), make creams for cakes. We have not had any purchased mayonnaise since Brown appeared. We do the powder, but it is only for sprinkling muffins and pastries (I sifted and took it into the mastic, it is still too large). Meat, fish, mushrooms are ground into minced meat. Well, we do a lot of other things, I don’t remember right away. As for me, this is a good helper, but I don't know just where it is made now. Friends bought much later, the harvesters are not such as ours and the quality is not the same. But still happy. Oh, Koshatnitsa-Elena, it's probably no longer relevant, I just saw that the post was written on December 15, 2014. But I will not delete, maybe someone will come in handy.

Ulyana-Oksana, the information is very relevant, I really want Brown, especially since I gave part of the equipment to my mother. I'm only afraid that China will turn out to be much worse than Hungary.

I'm only afraid that China will turn out to be much worse than Hungary.

Here I am also talking about this nuance. Familiar manufacturers are no longer Hungary. In one case, we helped friends buy a harvester and had to return it. But after the exchange, it has been working for the third year and they are happy. And we were looking for the same as my first one (well, he became dear to me!). There are people who have bought, but do not use the harvester, and in the ads with photographs you can still see the state of this aggregate. Ours was almost all in its original packaging, no scratches, shiny plastic on the cups. I do not regret in the least that they took the same one. Grate vegetables, please, potatoes on potato pancakes, no problem, squeeze the juice out, here you go, drink to your health ... For me personally - a super helper !!! Maybe the owners of the Chinese Browns will respond and tell you something. And if you are still interested in this harvester, ask, I will be happy to answer.

Oksana, will you show your photo? At least I'll know which one to look for, we have new versions of Brown white with green inserts in our stores.

Elena, if my husband comes home, then I will show the photos, otherwise I myself am not able to transfer from the phone to the computer

This is my Braun CombiMax K700 Vital combine

Speed ​​control and on / off.

Here you can see in the pictures what can be done and at what speeds

Country of origin Hungary

And this we just whipped butter with homemade sour cream

Somewhere 250-280 grams per 1 liter of sour cream. In winter, the yield of finished oil is slightly less and it takes longer to beat. I don’t know why this is so, but let it be less oil, but still your own.

Sorry, the photos are not very clear. I am such a lousy photographer.

Reading is already a complete mess in my head. The choice between Kenwood, Brown and Electrolux I look, more. Tell me correctly, I understood that if you need a meat grinder, it's still better than Kenwood?
And I really want a blender to have a homonezator and an emulsifier. I want a milkshake. Bamix does not suit me, small and bites the price for cocktails.

Girls and (possibly) boys !!! What can you say about this machine?

Bomann KM 362 CB food processor

Power, W 1000
Bowl volume, l 5
Design features Rubberized feet
Complete set Food processor, attachments (for kneading dough, for beating), cover for protection against splashes, bowl (5 l.), Instruction
Weight, g 5650

All you need is a reliable kneader. KitchenAid and Kenwood are not happy with the price.
Meat grinders, bread makers, blenders and so on are eaten separately.
I am thinking about the need for heating - but I have not yet figured out what it is for me.

Hello, dear forum users!
I've been looking for recipe tips on a bread maker for a long time, but I registered just now. I spend a lot of time in the kitchen and love technology.
The advice of an experienced person is very necessary!
Now I have a Moulinex Odacio 3 combine, bought about 10 years ago, it has almost everything. But I didn't like the quality of the plastic, a lot of minor breakdowns - where I wound it with an elastic band, where I hold it with my hands, it turned yellow. I don't want to spend on spare parts, and in general I want something more modern. I like kneading doughs with metal bowls.
I went here, then only Bosch mum with the same functionality was on the market from the whole variety, but I was very surprised by the meat grinder (watched the video), mine is clearly better. and a small glass of blender
1. Is there any point in looking for a combine with a meat grinder or is it better separately?
2. Who has been using Bosch for a long time - how is the quality of the plastic? small parts do not break off?
3. Which combine is easy to clean? does not lose sight? I want to stand on the table - I'm tired of reaching already
4. my harvester whips the whites by rotating the whisk in a circle and around the axis - it whips very well, and in Boch it whips somehow walking along the walls - is this a quality whisk?
I will be very grateful for your help!

I have BOSH MUM 5 for several years. I am very pleased with it, it is constantly on the table. But I only use it for whipping and as a kneader. For grating vegetables I use only in the fall when preparing. For everyday rubbing and cutting, I have other tools. I don't use a meat grinder, I have a separate one. But at the time when I was buying the combine, there was no meat grinder without.