Choice between SD 253, 254 and 255

Everyone who uses Panasonic, tell me, please!
I want to buy a bread maker for my parents as a gift for the New Year. It has long been impossible to get Panas -255 in Kiev, but there are still 254, what is their fundamental difference? Should I expect exactly 255, but no one knows when? Or take what is there? An answer is needed urgently, if possible!

The 254 does not have a dispenser. Otherwise, they don't seem to differ.

Elena, tell me, please, in the instructions (on the website) the differences between 254 and 255 indicate the absence of rye bread in the 254 program. Isn't she in the 253 either? How can you get out of this situation?

there is no dispenser and no rye bread program in 254.

How can you get out of this situation?

Watch DusiMyshkina's experiment with making Borodino bread.

Borodino bread I (bread maker) (Nira)

if in short the process of kneading and baking itself, then:
1. there is a kneading in the "dumplings" mode - you do in the one that you have. The main thing is that the dough is only kneaded.
2. Dusya suggests turning on the rye mode. Since you don't have it, you can split it into two:
a. Leave the dough to rest for about an hour. It is at this time the first time comes.
Then you need to knead for 10 minutes, then 1-20 (hour twenty minutes) comes up and then bake for 1 hour.

Rye can be safely baked in the Basic mode.

I wanted 253, but it was not available, I bought 254. I am very satisfied, all the breads are excellent, moreover, I experiment with additives by eye)). I haven't baked rye yet, but I think that without this function it will work out fine for me)). The instructions say that this feature is only for model 254: when you bake bread with additives, then when you hold the timer button, they write how many minutes are left before adding the ingredients - very convenient.

Elena, tell me, please, in the instructions (on the website) the differences between 254 and 255 indicate the absence of rye bread in the 254 program. Isn't it in 253 either? How can you get out of this situation?

look in yesterday's posts for Uncle Sam, he describes in great detail how he kneaded rye (and with an explanation of why this is, and not otherwise).
he had 2 times in a row kneading on the "Pizza" mode.
Then he set the regime "rye", but if you do not have it - you can set "normal" or "dietary" (cat for whole flour) - IMHO.

Many thanks to everyone who answered me. I decided to wait until Panas-255 appears, since 254 remained on sale because the price for it was overstated by about $ 50 from the average price for Panas-255. Yes, and Mom wants a stove with a dispenser.

Ksenia, buy cotton in a metal case, otherwise you will have this problem:
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...mf&Itemid=99&topic=2043.0

Ksenia, buy cotton in a metal case, otherwise you will have this problem:
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...mf&Itemid=99&topic=2043.0

Everything in this world is relative.
I would have bought the 255 model for the third time (I have already bought it twice).
The stain has rubbed off, and even if it didn’t wipe off, this is not a problem for me, because the stove is against the wall and no one sees the stain (we eat bread with a hole in the bottom, it seems to me this is a problem of the same order))
The metal case would rather "scare me away".

But in general - whatever model you choose - in any case you will not go wrong !!! good luck!

[Xenia,]

Xenia,I also chose between 255 and 254. The owners of 255 said in one voice that the dispenser is not necessary, unless, of course, you are determined to bake bread with raisins exclusively at night. And rye, they say, can be safely baked in the main mode. To be honest, I chose 254 because it is 200 hryvnia cheaper

after all, the dispenser is a great thing! and it is needed not only at night. Most often, bread is baked during the day. Only I fall asleep in it all that is needed - and I can calmly do other things, or even leave for 4 hours or more. And not to think - I missed the moment of loading or not. And I personally use supplements almost always.

[Freken Bock]

Freken Bock, In Kiev Panasonic 254 - now costs more than a thousand hryvnia. Not at all cheaper than 255, but quite the opposite. For myself, I would gladly buy 254 (I have been "burning" the forum for two months already), but alas, I live alone and I have no one to bake for. I try not to eat much flour myself.
I want to buy a stove for my parents, I printed out almost the entire forum for my mother,
so she now asks for only 255 and only with a dispenser, and agrees to wait as long as necessary. So let's wait.

[Xenia]

Xenia, and you look at online stores. In Kiev, they say, in general, orders are delivered within a day, and the prices are very different. We took our oven in Foxmart, because this network is in Kiev too.



Xenia, I went to the Ukrainian online store, went to the Foxmart website - no Panasonic!

[Freken Bock]

Expensive Freken Bock, I am constantly grazing on Foxmart and other similar sites. But, alas - nowhere and nothing.

I just want to buy a stove, I stopped at Panasonic, although I don't know for sure if Panasonic is the best or not

Can you please tell me which oven is better than Panasonic SD-253 or SD-255?
In the 253rd there is a mode of Italian bread, sort of like the description on the site itself 🔗 for SD-253 is better developed and more described
It would be interesting to know which one is more reliable and better?
And how, in fact, do they differ? (the price seems to be the same in stores).

And another question, in the instructions for Panasonic it is written that the cake must be baked by putting cooking paper in a bucket, whether everyone uses it or is it an excess, I heard that the owners do not put such paper on the mulinex ...

Both models are good. the difference is this:
1. The body of the 253 model is metal, the 255-plastic
2. In the 253rd model there is an Italian bread program, which in the 255th is replaced by a dough dumplings program. That's the whole difference. In the 253rd, you can also make dough for dumplings on the pizza program, just interrupt it after kneading, because the dough does not need to rise.
In general, you are lucky that you saw the 253rd model, they are no longer imported, which is a pity.

I just want to buy a stove, I stopped at Panasonic, although I don't know for sure if Panasonic is the best or not

He is Panasonic and in Africa-Panasonic. 255 differs only in appearance, and the presence of the program "dumplings" instead of "Italian"
Read on the forum, in total, about half of the topics on the choice of a bread machine.

thanks, clear

what about cupcakes? do i need paper?

The instructions say what is needed, but in life no one puts it. The fat in the dough + the non-stick coating of the bucket is enough

oh, this is cooler, otherwise look for paper

oh, this is cooler, otherwise look for paper

Yes, it’s not difficult to find paper, but what kind of form will you get a cupcake in a boom? You can't lay it down straight away

I heard that owners do not put such paper on Mulinex ...

Yeah, you heard that right, cupcakes are great baked without paper and can be taken out of the bucket! In general, I believe that each bread machine has both "its" pluses "and" minuses ". And the choice is your right! I also" chose "for a very long time ... and" inclined "to Mulinex (about anything I have never regretted it.) Have a good choice!

It's great that everyone succeeds without any paper! this makes me happy
I then stopped at SD-255WTS, but there is one thing - since December I can not find it in Kiev
In November, I read reviews on the site - I called all the Internet stores in which it was "exhibited", but .... it was nowhere ...

The search is still going on



although they were not in order, they should have left the Italian bread: -
just add some more dumplings dough ....

After all, this is not difficult, since programs have already been developed for them ...

Everyone who uses Panasonic, tell me, please!
I want to buy a bread maker for my parents as a gift for the New Year.It has long been impossible to get Panas -255 in Kiev, but there are still 254, what is their fundamental difference? Should we expect exactly 255, but no one knows when? Or take what is there? An answer is needed urgently, if possible!

I am sure that in addition to the indicated advantages between 255 and 254 models (the presence of auto additives, plus the function of rye bread), there is a logical advantage: if there is a function, then the configuration of the knife for mixing ingredients has been changed to facilitate the kneading mode and the gear ratio of the gearbox is probably increased, and maybe increased power el. engine (however, the latter is suitable, since the power of the bread makers is practically the same, maybe some configuration features of the installation or cooling). In any case, choose the 255 model (there will be a margin of safety even if you will not bake rye bread).

To compare, you need to have both stoves, but this is unlikely. We have 253 and our family is very happy. And at the dacha it is generally delightful, complete autonomy from the delivery of bread twice a week to the general store with its huge queues and tasteless bread. And the best present when visiting neighbors or gatherings together is our wheat BREAD! There was a problem with baking rye bread, it just didn't work out due to the lack of starter cultures and additives, but after purchasing everything you need, thanks to the advice on the Websad forum, today the first loaf of very tasty rye bread was baked and it turned out the first time. So now at the dacha we will be provided with bread and pastries of various types.

Dear! Tell me how much I lose if I take 253 instead of 255 or 254?
The choice is
The 253rd costs 2745 rubles !!!!! (50% discount) in M-video
254th costs 5190 in the same place
The 255th costs 6300 in El Dorado.

Requires kneading dough for dumplings and baking rye.

PS I don't know the reason for the discount yet.

Dear! Tell me how much I lose if I take 253 instead of 255 or 254?
The choice is
The 253rd costs 2745 rubles !!!!! (50% discount) in M-video
PS I don't know the reason for the discount yet.

... Most likely a discount, because there are not enough mixers or something else important.
Yesterday I bought a stove in M-video myself, so the consultant said that stoves are handed over at a discount under the program of additional service, when something is lost, breaks down or simply does not suit.

The 253rd was discontinued a year ago. They can simply sell it up. Find out. If everything is in order there, take it, do not hesitate. Great thing for reasonable money

I also think that with the 253rd and at this price, you will only benefit. The volume of baking in it is the same as in 254-255, and I like the programs more. There (in contrast to 254) there is "Rye" bread and a dispenser, there are no "Dumplings" (as in 255), for that is, "Italian bread" (which is not in 254, not in 255). You can also knead the dough on dumplings on "Pizza". Check the presence of all the elements (remember about the two knives for regular baking and for rye) and if everything is in order, BUY without hesitation. After 255 I bought myself a second stove - 253 and am very satisfied.

Even if there is no mixer for rye (toothy), but only for wheat (straight) take it. Rye is perfectly kneaded with an ordinary stirrer (I do not change them).

Thanks for the advice. I will carefully check the completeness. I myself was inclined to the 253rd for some reason, I liked that it is iron. But if for some reason it is not possible to take the 253rd, then it would probably be wiser to take the 255th and not the 254th, even despite the difference in the amount of 1000 rubles.

Am I thinking right?

... Most likely a discount, because there are not enough mixers or something else important.
Yesterday I bought a stove in M-video myself, so the consultant said that stoves are handed over at a discount under the program of additional service, when something is lost, breaks down or simply does not suit.

I am from Saratov. And you (you probably are not from Saratov) also 253 in m-video with a 50% discount?
Then this is not a special case, but a trend. It means just the sale of the remains, and not because of defects or incompleteness. And sellers often do not know what they are selling.

I am from Saratov. And you (you probably are not from Saratov) also 253 in m-video with a 50% discount?
Then this is not a special case, but a trend. It means just the sale of the remains, and not because of defects or incompleteness. And sellers often do not know what they are selling.

I am from Kazan. Where I bought - 253 was not, it was said about 255, which I previously reviewed and was fully convinced of the veracity of the seller's words. In any case, you need to watch the stove itself.

I looked at the M-video site, you really just have a sale of leftovers, I'm just too suspicious.

The blades at 253, 254 and 255 are the same. Even if there is no rye spatula in the kit, if you really want it, you can order it at the service. It will take a long time, but they are not expensive (in February I ordered two usual ones for the 255th - they cost 340 rubles each).
But I also baked rye with an ordinary shovel.

Thanks for the advice. I will carefully check the completeness. I myself was inclined to the 253rd for some reason, I liked that it is iron. But if for some reason it is not possible to take the 253rd, then it would probably be wiser to take the 255th and not the 254th, even despite the difference in the amount of 1000 rubles.

Am I thinking right?

Even if you take 254, you will not lose much, since many do not use the Rye Bread program because they do not really like the result. It is much more interesting to get bread if you just knead it on the "Pizza" program, turn it off, let it come up for 1-1.5 hours and bake for 55-60 minutes. Some people come up with more complicated combinations. And for unwillingness to bother, you can bake on the "Basic" program or on the "Diet" - "Diet Fast". With experience, adjust and choose the program that suits you the most.

By the way, can you bake a cupcake with raisins in the 253rd? Is it tasty?

[ma3471]

ma3471, in the "baking" mode, you can bake any cupcake, and not a cupcake, with raisins, dried apricots, nuts, etc. You will have to knead the cupcake with your hands, or with a mixer, which you put, so it will be baked

About cupcakes in HP - a whole topic on the forum, look, a lot of interesting things

[ma3471]

One more question. Is it possible to use ordinary live yeast, not dry, in Panasonic ovens? And whether the quality is not lost when using them, otherwise the employee told me that live yeast can be used in Moulinex, but the quality of baking is not so high.

ma3471, in the "baking" mode, you can bake any cupcake, and not a cupcake, with raisins, dried apricots, nuts, etc. You will have to knead the cupcake with your hands, or with a mixer, which you put, so it will be baked

I didn't understand why with my hands

One more question. Is it possible to use ordinary live yeast, not dry, in Panasonic ovens? And whether the quality is not lost when using them, otherwise the employee told me that live yeast can be used in Moulinex, but the quality of baking is not so high.

any yeast can be used, even leaven. With live yeast, bread is much better in quality and taste, it rises well.

Here's a discussion from a deleted thread:

I bought fresh yeast today (due to the lack of dry yeast), now I am tormented by the question of how to use it and if it is diluted with water or milk, then in what sequence should it be laid?
Please tell me the recipe, if anyone has used fresh yeast

If your stove immediately kneads without equalizing the temperature of the ingredients, then probably the order of the bookmark does not matter. Better, I think, to crumble them finely, trying not to mix with salt.
If, like mine, the stove thinks for a long time before kneading, I would put them in the same way as dry ones - separating them from the liquid with a layer of flour.
In terms of quantity, I met somewhere that the ratio by weight is 1: 5.
You can try a gram with 20 pressed yeast.
And I would pay special attention to your flour.
If it contains baking powder or something like a pancake, then it is very harmful to the yeast when rising.

This weekend I will try it myself with pressed yeast - it even became interesting to experiment.

Thank you:))
And this yeast does not need to be diluted with milk or water first?
20 grams of yeast is based on 1 kg of bread?

If the stove immediately kneads, I would dilute the yeast in warm water with a gram of sugar and hold it for 20 minutes before loading to cheer them up.
And if the oven keeps the ingredients until the kneading time to equalize the temperature, then I would put them without dissolving, finely crumbling them.
And 20 grams of yeast is for 500 grams of flour.
But in general, you will have to experiment, but I think that in any case the samples will be quite edible, even if they are not absolute in shape.
Tomorrow I'll put it myself with pressed yeast and unsubscribe how it happened.

Thank you,
I will definitely try to use your advice today and report on the results :))

The bread that I made with fresh yeast in KP liked my homemade bread much more. Winking She preliminarily divorced them in warm milk, though she didn't let them stand at all, but it should be, then put all the ingredients as usual. The yeast and milk went like a liquid.

My experience with wet yeast.
I took as in science 3% of the flour weight. There was 960 grams of flour (white and rye), 29 grams of yeast, diluted with lukewarm water and immediately put it in the total mass of liquid put according to the recipe, and kneaded the dough.
In short, further urgent measures had to be taken to pick out the raised dough from the oven. Sorry for the expression - so pearl up, so pearl !!!. As a result, I baked bread already in the oven, it turned out very tasty, I made bread and table buns.
For color, soluble chicory was added, 2-3 tbsp. a spoon with a top is enough. The color turned out to be not gray, but a little cocoa; the taste was clearly not reflected.
The result of the experiment - live yeast should be put into the dough 1.5 times less than the norm. I've already read about this somewhere, but I missed it.

Hello!
I have Moulinex 3000. At first, due to the lack of dry yeast, I experimented with live ones. Our instructions say to take dry to live as 1: 5. It's a lot. Try 1: 3. I let them rise a little (water / milk + sugar + finely crushed yeast) The bread rose VERY strongly. But each time is different. Therefore, I found dry yeast in a neighboring country, which suited me completely. Yet foreign stoves are suitable for dry yeast.

Good luck to you! Be sure to write if you find the Formula!

Today I set up an experiment with live yeast.
For 700 grams of flour, I took 18 grams of yeast.
He baked Borodinsky using the technology that I gave in the relevant topic.
I started a sourdough with live yeast (3 tablespoons of rye flour, 4 tablespoons of water and a pinch of sugar)
Simultaneously brewed 3 tbsp. spoons of malt.
After a couple of hours, I kneaded the dough in the "Pelmeni" mode, and after kneading, I switched on the "Basic" mode.

Yes, yeast is too much - rye pearl dough.
The loaf rose, baked well, but Sad ...
the top sat down and became flat from convex. Outwardly, the bread is tall, but without a convex top it looks ugly, although I sprinkled it with caraway seeds.

It is clear that too much yeast.
But ... the taste .. The best bread from Borodino, which I baked. There is absolutely no yeast taste, but the aroma is the most "Borodinsky".
So I decided next time to reduce the amount of yeast by a third, but the Borodino oven only uses pressed yeast, not dry yeast.

How did you breed the yeast?

I just crumbled the yeast into warm water and added 3 tablespoons of flour and a pinch of sugar there. It turned out to be a thin dough, which stood while I brewed the malt, and then it cooled down.
The dough bubbled up quickly, the yeast was lively, although initially it looked a little dry.

As I understand you! After the same operation, I had so much pearl, so pearl, I had to bake it in the oven!

I finally found normal (dry) yeast in stores, so the experiment with fresh is postponed.
BUT this week I will definitely try, using the tips. Although, on my fresh yeast it is written that there are 42 grams of them and this is designed for a kg of flour, and they must be mixed with flour .. so I really don't know ..

Sorry, but there are 11 grams in the SAF, and we share.Isn't 42 gr. for 1 kg. flour. According to the rules for baking fresh yeast, from 2 to 5% per 1 kg is put. flour, which is 20-50 grams. On average, you need 30 grams. Check the calculations so that you do not collect the dough from the floor later. Good luck!

For the dough that I knead by hand, this is normal (I put 30 grams - 1/3 100 grams of a pack), but this is for manual kneading and baking in the oven, and for a bread machine it is certainly a lot and very much.

I didn't understand why with my hands

And with your hands - since in some recipes you need to beat eggs, or grind flour with butter or margarine, or do something else. How to do it in HP ??
Then, when baking muffins, it is recommended to lay out the form with baking paper - as the instructions say.

And with your hands - since in some recipes you need to beat eggs, or grind flour with butter or margarine, or do something else. How to do it in HP ??
Then, when baking muffins, it is recommended to lay out the form with baking paper - as the instructions say.

Quite right. In a classic muffin, everything is mixed in turn. As, however, in any biscuit or butter-biscuit dough.

Oh, and I ordered 255 for myself. Now I read and think, maybe I bought something wrong. And I chose and read for a long time about different models and manufacturers. I chose, and now I have doubts. Although, what to regret about what has been done?

Oh, and I ordered 255 for myself. Now I read and think, maybe I bought something wrong. And I chose and read for a long time about different models and manufacturers. I chose, and now I have doubts. Although, what to regret about what has been done?

Christmas tree, great choice! And what confuses you? I like everything. I don’t regret it in the least. Try it, get used to it, love it. Good luck!

Elka, people cannot find this model, but you doubt something. You will bake a great bar tomorrow

Elka, people cannot find this model, but you doubt something. You will bake a great bar tomorrow

If anyone is interested, then in Sunrise they are now at a price of 5500 🔗

And I'm still not lucky with the purchase. That 253rd in the M-video appears and disappears while I'm going to get to the store. I never found out why it was being sold there with a 50% discount ... I saw the 255th in Sanraz right away and ordered it ... it was this Saturday. On Monday, I see the price for it in the above price list has become 4200 rubles, that is, 1300 less! I think the action is somehow. I immediately called and asked to cancel the order in order to reorder ... they discouraged me even in Sunrise ... after all, then you will reorder at the same 5500 price, but I insisted and they returned the money to me without any problems, for which respect. I looked and the price again became 5500 in all their catalogs ... I think because of me they were corrected ... but that was probably a mistake. And now I am ashamed to order it from them again ... fortunately there is one more Sunrise terminal in our city. But for now I am again without a stove. Something is not destiny I can see the owner of Panasonic. I started thinking in the direction of Mulinex ... there they still have molds for baguettes in the 5004th model.

I won't make up my mind yet. Moulinex in the M-video is 5900 rubles ... go and take it.
Talk me out of something from Panasonic or from Moulinex ... please. Otherwise, I really want to, and the neighbors in the country are waiting for my stove, so that they can buy the same ... and even in the village you need your beloved aunt, otherwise they bake in the oven. And there are still enough worries besides the main work in the school, milk the cows, drive them out at 6 in the morning, chickens, piglets and so on. We can say for pampering, but it is vital for them to have a stove.

So my indecision essentially slows down 3 bread machines from being put into operation.

Asked to dissuade KP?
I dissuade!

Homemade Baking is one of the strongest addictions. Its progression is not affected by either the CP model or the absence of eaters of the finished product. Only the complete absence of milling products within a radius of 1000 km can temporarily suspend this serious illness ...

no need to give up Panasonic! And to the store where the awkward situation occurred, urgently send friends or acquaintances, let them buy a stove for you (if this is an online store to order home to them). there is no need to deprive yourself of the joy of home baking, if your heart is in it ...

Talk me out of something from Panasonic or from Moulinex ... please.

I dissuade! There are wonderful stoves - LG. For some reason, no one agitates for them. I have been in my baking for 8 years and have no complaints. By the way, LG ovens practically do not differ from each other in modes, only by the size of the baked goods, so if you take a cheaper one you will not lose at all, the main thing is that there is a cupcake mode.
In Panasonic, I am not satisfied with the lack of the ability to cook dough using a timer, it is very convenient if you want to get hot buns or pizza dough for breakfast before coming home after work.

I dissuade! There are wonderful stoves - LG.

Well ... now I have even more: - \ doom has increased with the third applicant. Thank you

YES ... how good it used to be 3 varieties of sausages, 2 types of vodka, 1 type of TV, refrigerator and so on that you can get. No agony of choice, and now ... they will make all sorts of models, it is not clear how they differ, and you sit and calculate which is better. So everywhere ... I am still suffering with computer spare parts, and now I sit and think that out of 3 motherboards of almost the same one company is better ...

This is really annoying and exhausting, my head swells from reviews, price lists and opinions on the forums. Who is fighting this scourge? However, this is a separate topic for a psychiatric forum.