SoNika
Quote: Waist

Nika, something is wrong. Which recipe is complete? maybe they forgot something or did something wrong. What was that even supposed to be, cupcake?
Pasta, I already made it a couple of weeks ago, with my hands and in a dough mixer ... maybe the flour is different and the eggs are rustic ... I'll knead it by hand ... NOT in HP, but a recipe for the dough sheeter
Stafa
Put the dough in cellophane; it should ripen for at least an hour on the paste. And it will probably be good, though I did it on semolina semolina and all the flour.
Waist
Yes, I never knead in HP for pasta, only in a blender or a food processor until crumbs, like yours, and then it will settle down and a normal dough turns out. This is too steep / tight dough for HP, I don't risk ruining the device.
I do it myself as described by Vera
Dumplings dough without kneading in 21 seconds! (dough for dumplings with knives in a food processor) + video I also make dough for noodles and stuff like that. And HP is for bread!
Stafa
I also knead in a blender, only 200 grams of flour.
Waist
Quote: Stafa
Put the dough in cellophane; it should ripen for at least an hour on the paste.
In the refrigerator, it will be tastier

I made noodles for my daughter yesterday and left the dough to lie on the table, not in the refrigerator. So my daughter tried and didn't eat. The taste is completely different.
SoNika
do not even break pieces by hand, do not mix ... threw out ... daterla with my hands ... I'll see .... I only come across such a dough in a curd cake, but there are tender crumbs, and then tin ... moreover, the kneader also does not like steep dough, what for then this technique or such bells and whistles in it Galina's right that a pastamash is needed ... but alas ... it's expensive


Added Saturday 11 Mar 2017 8:06 PM

what to put, there is all torn dough ... loose and tough, even throw it out ...

Stafa
In cellophane and in the refrigerator. It will be seen further.
SoNika
I put the girls on the balcony, this is what I mixed, a strange color, I think I shouldn’t have listened and added a CH of flour .... let's see.
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I will mix it manually now
mamusi
Quote: $ vetLana
mamusi, looked in the internet. It is recommended to store TsZ in the freezer. I still need to read.

Sveta, and Who recommends?
And what is the storage period mean?
Here's how to look. For example, we take in a store, a store from warehouses. Well, let there t be a little lower than room ...
The c / z flour has a shelf life of 4 months (it is indicated on the pack ~ well, if memory serves)))
... I threw away the packaging) From here we dance ... while she was in the store, time passed ... And then her in the freezer?
Well, maybe if someone is going to keep it for a long time. I am in confusion. Well, I don't need it. I take little. I spend quickly.

telez
I store such yeast in the freezer. So my aunt told me from whom I bought. I don't remember the name of the store, but it is specialized for bakery.
Wlad
Larissa, but they do not lose their properties later?
telez
No. The dough rises just fine, otherwise I wouldn't do that.
Wlad
LarissaThanks a lot for the advice
$ vetLana
Quote: mamusi
Sveta, and Who recommends?
Rita, I entered into the search: storage of tsz. flour. Such recommendations are on many sites. I put the flour in the refrigerator for now. I still need to read.
I noticed in the bran. They go bad in the kitchen cabinet. I put them in the hall. Since in tsz. there is a lot of bran flour, then the flour will also spoil in the kitchen.
SoNika

Waist
I read about yeast on the old forum.

Subtracted this
Quote: old.
Overdue yeast can be used for fertilization soil in the warm season.

Added Saturday 11 Mar 2017 10:37 PM

On the pro forum

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it is not recommended to freeze yeast
Quote: old.
Dry yeast Caf-Levure is not recommended to be frozen in the freezer.It is better to store yeast in a tightly closed container in the refrigerator at + 6 ° C.
...
Freezing and thawing will help reduce residual yeast activity.
...
Freezing dry yeast is not recommended. The negative effect can be significant. Especially for products with an expired date. We remind you that we do not recommend using expired yeast.
But in practice, as we can see, it happens in different ways. People freeze compressed yeast and use it for months, and in my freezer a week later the yeast becomes very bad.


Added Saturday 11 Mar 2017 11:41 PM

So, you need to check any yeast for "compatibility" with the "character" of your refrigerator
fffuntic
About yeast. For Vlada and Natalie


1.Natashik, there is no a priori yeast that calmly survives direct contact with air, if only because they begin to revive in the air, oxygen will not allow them to stay in an inhibited state.
Therefore, they are strictly isolated from the air. This is done in two ways:
- vacuum (cafe-instant)
-protective sheath (cafe-levure). These, which with a protective shell withstand some time in the air due to the shell.

but the whole problem is that those that can withstand exposure to air require mandatory activation in hot water (like cafe-levure). And those that cannot withstand the stay, those can simply be thrown into flour.
Perhaps there are some that are kept in the air, and in flour it is possible, but I have not seen them anywhere. Including Luda. Therefore, I can not find which ones are suitable for the dispenser. Most interesting.

And about keeping it in the air, you meant "tempering the yeast", then look below about it in Luda's article.

2. Yeast strife with yeast. Different strains, different properties. Natashik, you quoted on the forum of technologists
recommendation for Kaf-levure, and its field of application is very different from Kaf-instant.
You can't give active links here, so I'll just copy too. Anyone interested can easily find all this on the site himself.
Kaf-levure is very different in composition from Kaf-instant. I will not list the differences, the most important thing is that only cafe-instant can be used for frozen semi-finished products without losing their properties
and they have shape conservation is fundamentally different. Pay attention

Scope information from the manufacturer's website
Dry instant yeast "Saf-Instant" with a red label is recommended for the manufacture of bakery products with a sugar content of up to 10% by weight of flour. This type of yeast can be used for cooking frozen semi-finished products with short shelf life. In this case, it is recommended to add yeast 5-8 minutes before the end of the batch.


Therefore, either you need to ask the technologist exclusively about this brand of yeast, or take on faith my opinion that it is the instant that will withstand freezing.
They can withstand freezing even after being activated in the dough.
I also quote Lyuda (just about the residual yeast activity.)
mariana_aga
Jan. 21st, 2014 03:35 pm (UTC)

Frozen yeast should be aware that compressed yeast is normally stored in the freezer, up to a year at -20C without problems. But they DO NOT BREED well in the dough after defrosting. That is, it is better to put them on a bezoparny dough. Or mix yeast and dough and dough.

And instant ones - you can let them out of the freezer into the dough, as far as I understand. They have trehalose (intracellular sugar in yeast) dofig and trehalase enzyme. This protects the cell from stress.


And here is Lyudochka's extensive scientific article on yeast. Read with comments and there will be no questions left, how to preserve instant yeast without losing its properties and how to temper the yeast

cloud.


I will finish the result of the long post above with a quote from Lyuda

For home use, this means filling the yeast from a large pack into small bags or jars, sealing it tightly (you can vacuum it) and taking out small portions as needed, opening and quickly closing the jar, immediately putting the yeast back into the freezer.The particles there are so small that they instantly heat up to room temperature if left open on the table. The whole trick is that if dry yeast is packed in small jars for freezing, then the total time of opening the jar during the consumption of yeast in it will be less than 48 hours - a safe exposure to moisture and oxygen from the air, as indicated on the unopened instant pack.



Added Sunday Mar 12, 2017 01:47 AM

The only thing, before freezing, Luda kept them only in the refrigerator. I will quote her very first experience to complete the picture of storage just in the refrigerator.


mariana_aga
Dec. 14th, 2012 at 2:41 PM
Instant yeast in the package loses about 10% of its strength per year of storage at 20C and 25% - for a year of storage at 35C. So store even unopened packets and sachets in a cool, cold place or even in the freezer at -20C if you buy a lot and for a long time.

At home, I personally do not notice a difference in the behavior of yeast until a month after opening the package (I store it at 4C after opening in a jar with a screw cap), because they are stored for 4 months at 3C, opening the jar 3 times a week to select yeast for baking, lose only 8% in lift (link). But yeast experts still recommend to bakers no more than a week of storing instant in the cool after opening the pack, because increasing the dose of yeast by 8% in order to compensate for the loss of lifting force in "old yeast" will have a significant effect on both the cost of bread and quality of the dough (more dead yeast - more glutathione, more oxidizing agents in the dough - the higher the cost of the dough).

Oddly enough, instant yeast dies in smaller quantities when in contact with room temperature water, compared to dry active yeast. Instants also do not like the cold and must be mixed with flour and then warm or hot water. But upon contact with water at 20C, they lose about 20% of their power, compared to 40% losses in dry active in water with T 20C.

Instant replaces pressed (of the same strain) in a ratio of 1: 3. For example, instead of 10g instant take 30g pressed. When freezing the dough with instant yeast, it will withstand about 2 weeks of freezing (while the dough with pressed yeast can be frozen for long periods)


mariana_aga

Dec. 16th, 2012 03:55 am (UTC)

It takes me half a kilogram of SAF-gold in about six months, that is, if almost all the bread and baked goods in a family for 2-3 people are baked at home (we eat bread daily from 0.5-0.7 kg of flour, 100 kg of flour for six months, 5 g of yeast for kg of flour - 500 g of yeast for six months). So for the first time, I just poured from a large pack of yeast into a jar, the rest in a large pack I twisted tightly with an elastic band and hermetically packed in a plastic bag with a zipper and kept both in the refrigerator at 4C. A small jar was often opened within a month, and a large bag only 6 times in six months, in order to pour 50-80 g of yeast into a small jar for every day.

Thus, it was possible to keep the lifting force of the SAF-gold unchanged, i.e. to avoid frequent contact of yeast in a large pack with warm humid air.

Now I have switched to storage in deep freeze, because in addition to SAF-gold I simultaneously use a variety of yeast of other strains and in the freeze they also lie like this - one small jar that gets out and opens from time to time, and another large amount - in a hermetically sealed in a bag, a large pack that opens every few months to fill a small jar. So a pack of SAF-gold will be enough for me for several years.

when using SAF-gold from the freezer, I give them time to first adapt to room T for a few minutes and only then to 40C. That is, not a temperature shock from -20C directly into a liquid with + 40C, but first I measure it out and in a bowl they warm up for several minutes, sometimes mixed with flour, in order to adapt to T 20-25C and humidity at 15% (flour moisture ), instead of 4% (moisture content of dry yeast in the freezer), and only then I mix them with hot water or hot flour mash when kneading dough or dough.

Feb. 25th, 2013 02:17 pm (UTC)
Now I store all yeast in the freezer at -20C. ALL. All types and brands.

If the package is already open, I fill the yeast in small jars from the yogurt maker, filled with yeast to the eyeballs, and screw the lids. One jar is in the refrigerator - the one I'm using now, and the rest are in the freezer. I take out one at a time and put it in the refrigerator, as it is used.

Instant can be restored as dry active or not (i.e., with soaking and / or with activation in sweet water or flour mash), it depends on the recipe.

The minimum they need to be given is at least a few minutes at room T, just in a bowl or mixed with flour (optimally half an hour mixed with flour), while you measure out other ingredients so that their temperature and humidity equalize to room temperature and to humidity air in the room or to the moisture content of flour (i.e., from 4% to about 14%), this significantly improves their activity and the ability to recover from a dry state to an active, vigorous and healthy state.




Added Sunday 12 March 2017 02:03

Sveta and Rita


girls, well, dance from the chemical-physical composition of flour. If someone advised you to store eggs in the freezer, or virgin sunflower oil, then you would immediately estimate the result, but here the same thing.
Flour CZ is proteins and vegetable fat, only in small droplets in a starch shell. A complete analogy.

Will the freezer keep food? Yes of course. If it's not tainted yet. Will the taste suffer? well, like eggs after the freezer. Baking without problems, raw is not the same
At the same time, rye CZ is even more tender. It contains more protein.

And - the most important answer to this question is already on packaging flour.
Manufacturer recommends storing between 0 and 25 degrees.
This means that all the taste will be preserved.
That is, after the freezer, a slight change should be expected.
Well, as on the packaging of eggs, no one will write that they can be put in the freezer. Because the direct properties will change.
From here ... make your own conclusions. In order to have the identity of the product, it is not recommended to put it in the freezer, that is, it is possible only if there is no other way out. Like eggs, but without shells.

It is best to store at the lowest degree on the package in the refrigerator. Because the higher the degrees, the more the bugs like flour and the more carefully the humidity requirement must be observed. The manufacturer writes about 6 months, but does not specify that this is at 24 degrees of heat
Why? Yes, because in fact you are raw eggs without shells and store fresh natural oil in starch. Will you leave them in the heat?




Added Sunday Mar 12, 2017 04:19 AM

freezing compressed yeast

Natashik... You write
but in practice, as we can see, it happens in different ways. People freeze compressed yeast and use it for months, and in my freezer a week later the yeast becomes very bad.

theoretically, freezing and thawing of pressed yeast is more demanding operations than dry yeast. There is practically no moisture in dry yeast, which expands when freezing and destroys living yeast cells. If, in a simple way, he strives to break their cells. And if you defrost it quickly, then the poor cells lose it too quickly and additional death occurs.


gatta
Dec 15, 2012 19:36 (UTC)
Luda,
I once tried to freeze the pressed yeast, but for some reason it died after thawing. Since then, I have decided that they cannot be frozen. It turns out that I was wrong, I must try again.
mariana_aga
Dec 15, 2012 20:27 (UTC)
....... I will try to freeze and pressed. There the secret is that there should be a slow freezing, a decrease in T by 1 degree per minute (not flash freezing), store in deep freeze (below -18, -20C, i.e. lower than in a conventional self-cleaning freezer without frost and fluctuations in T, and slow defrosting overnight in the refrigerator only the portion that is needed for baking.

So now we are savvy and we can freeze on science.
Pressed yeast can be frozen at -18C for up to a year, if then slowly thawed in the refrigerator and used within 24 hours after thawing.Thawed yeast will be slightly more crumbly compared to yeast before freezing,
.. because they dry out a little in the freezer. But they will ferment normally, the difference in gas production between fresh pressed and defrosted at 4C frozen, stored for a year at -18C, is only 3%.


everyone has different refrigerators. Perhaps someone automatically gets the desired result and naively believes that this is the case everywhere and always. Then it is possible that there is insufficient residual yeast activity and would not work in the dough, but no one checks

Wlad
Quote: fffuntic
About yeast.
Elena thank you very much for the useful and informative information
Waist
Quote: fffuntic
keep raw eggs without shells and fresh natural oil in starch
Is it a typo or me
$ vetLana
fffuntic, Lena, thank you. I wrote everything very logically. So, tsz - in the hol-ke I will keep



Added Sunday Mar 12, 2017 1:57 PM

Nika, go to this topic, have a question.

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SoNika


Added Sunday 12 March 2017 09:45 PM

Quote: $ vetLana

Nika, go to this topic, have a question.
fffuntic
Quote: Waist

Is it a typo or me
Natasha, well, I always write at night when I'm already sleepy
by tsz

I meant that CZ can be represented as a very finely dispersed mixture, that is, a micro mixture !!!! scopic droplets of natural vegetable oil (and natural oils go rancid in the heat and in the light), moist proteins !!!! (and proteins they are always proteins, in the blood, in the eggs, in the meat - they begin to curl above 45 degrees, dry out in the open air) and everything is interspersed with massive starch grains .. I don’t know how to explain it more clearly. Very small droplets with a minimum of moisture, so you feel dry. But everything is there. There are even more complex chemical useful droplets of special so-called enzymes that are useful for the body. Everything that was in the grain.
This is in the central lock.
But there is no such thing in white flour. It is not made from whole grains with oils and enzymes, but from other parts.
Therefore, there is a finely dispersed mixture of proteins with starch, there are practically no oils, enzymes too, this part is more dehydrated, that is, even the proteins are not as alive with water, but as dry already.
This is why white flour lasts longer. Even the bugs in it are not so tasty: the droplets are terribly dry, tasteless and without oil.


Quote: $ vetLana

/// So, tsz - in the hol-ke I will keep
and for Rita

Sveta, look, on the internet they write as the most important argument: that you should freeze it in the freezer for two days and kill all the bug larvae that were on the grain at the time of harvest and which can then come to life and grow in flour, since there is a lot of food around.
This is all true. But if it were so simple, the manufacturer himself would have frozen the flour long ago, because this would increase its shelf life, which would make it easier to sell, make it easier to keep it in the warehouse.
A freezer is easier than keeping the same temperature in a ventilated room with a given humidity, and even for a short time. While the freezer will extend it to 2 years !!!!!
But neither the store nor the manufacturer of this not do.
Therefore, we can definitely say that the freezer is the very last way out if you need to preserve flour for a very long time at the expense of its basic properties. The freezer is a tip for housewives, not for production where specified product requirements must be met.
If the store and the manufacturer does not make economic benefits for itself, then there are serious reasons for this.
Therefore, the correct decision is exclusively behind the refrigerator in good packaging. There is no need to doubt it.

Well, in pursuit. If such flour is stored, for example, in a warm and dry place, with a humidity below the specified one, then the flour will not necessarily deteriorate, but the taste may suffer.
Well, I repeat, how would you buy extra virgin olive oil, deliciously delicious and leave it in the light and warm after opening the bottle. It wouldn't go rancid right away. It lasted for a while, but the taste would get worse and worse.
Therefore, it is advisable to store it in a well-packed refrigerator so that not lost moisture, if you want to retain maximum moisture and freshness in the CH.
Something like that.

Rita, in pursuit for you personally.


sazalexter
Dark steppe eagle, About yeast. I pack yeast from a large pack into 2-3 jars, seal it tightly, store it in a refrigerator drawer (for vegetables). The shelf life in this form is more than a year, it has been checked repeatedly. True fermipan yeast
Anchic
Bugs in the freezer do not die - checked. They go into suspended animation there and that's it. They come to life in the warmth over time Maybe not all, but nevertheless. Well, just like that, the bugs don't start at home - you need to buy an infected product and they can creep over time. I had an experience with beans - I got an infected pack. But I kept it immediately in a glass jar with a plastic screw cap. And they there, too, fell into a kind of suspended animation when I found them - they obviously did not have enough air. But all did not have time to die, some moved. And thanks to the bank, they did not creep anywhere.
SoNika
Good day. Having bought HP, I became nervous, I read and write everything. I decided to spit: rose: and do the HP recipes first. Today, according to your recommendations, I took up the Frenchman, and again I did not understand, here everyone writes that he should be without salt .., but the recipe, on the contrary, there is no sugar .... but what about the feed for yeast? of which only 1 tsp for 400 g, yes, I understand that we take long standing and picking ..., but one does not interfere with the other
$ vetLana
Nika, do as it is written in the book
SoNika
Quote: $ vetLana

Nika, do as it is written in the book
Thank you, figured out the CM?
Marisha Aleksevna
Quote: NikaVS
Today, according to your recommendations, I took up the Frenchman
Nika, everything is written correctly in the recipe, it turns out very tasty bread. French is so different, that there is no sugar in it. The only thing I do not like dry milk (I do not believe in it) and from 280 ml of water 120 ml I take milk. And yesterday I baked in general on kefir, it also turned out very well.
Anchic
NikaThe yeast feeds on the sugar contained in flour. Not our whites. By the way, regular sugar in large quantities kills yeast, so for a rich dough you need much more yeast than for bread.
Waist
Quote: Marisha Aleksevna
Nika, everything is written correctly in the recipe, it turns out very tasty bread. French it differs in that there is no sugar in it. The only thing I don't like powdered milk (I don't believe in him) and I take milk from 280 ml of water 120 ml. And yesterday I baked at all on kefir, it turned out very well too
Eeeee, what do you have, in the instructions for HP, recipes for French bread with milk
In the instructions for the European oven, the usual "French bread" is on the water, and the "French country" is also on the water.
I'm talking specifically about the recipes from the instructions.

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SoNika
Marina, Anna, thank you. I don't put sugar in at all, I replace it. honey. Due to sugar (quantity is important), taste, crust color and fermentation activity of yeast increases, dough rise increases.
NaTli, yes dry. milk, 1 tbsp. l in the instructions. I worked, according to Lena's advice, cream .... what is not worth it? I wanted this bread because of the m. Amount of salt to take ...
Waist
Nika, yes I do not know whether or not. It amazes me that milk is crammed everywhere in recipes for the CIS
Marisha Aleksevna
Quote: Waist
and what do you have, in the instructions for HP, recipes for French bread with milk
Yes, our instructions include powdered milk and water.
Waist
Nikusha, if the recipe says WITHOUT sugar, then it should be done! You know that the taste directly depends on the balance of ingredients. And the first time it is good to cook exactly according to the recipe in order to know the basis, and then you can change it
fffuntic
Quote: NikaVS

Marina, Anna, thank you. I don't put sugar in at all, I replace it. honey. Due to sugar (quantity is important), taste, crust color and fermentation activity of yeast increases, dough rise increases.
NaTli, yes dry. milk, 1 tbsp. l in the instructions. I worked, according to Lena's advice, cream .... what is not worth it? I wanted this bread because of the m. Amount of salt to take ...
Well, you can not do a gag at least once, but a great experimenter. Please don’t put it in French sugar and honey? going?
my favorite option is just from the recipe book, which is with powdered milk and always with butter. Look closely, there it is. Salt must be added according to the recipe. But the salt of the salt is different. Putting the small one was fine, putting the large one - oddly enough, it was salty. Put as much salt as you are used to with this amount of flour
SoNika
Quote: Waist

Nika, yes I do not know whether it is worth it or not. It amazes me that milk is crammed everywhere in recipes for the CIS
Yes, and no about flour, and more salt ... Hurray for my intuition, and that I do not listen to it. I reduce the salt
I clicked, but you can hardly make out
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fffuntic
Nika, French bread should be sugar-free and slightly saltier than regular bread. Therefore, you increase the salt a little. My fine salt rolls 1 and a quarter quite like the recipe, that is, 0.25 teaspoon per 400 g of flour. But .. mind you, spoons are taken without a slide.
If you have extra salt, then you can't go wrong. But if it is very salty, then well, see for yourself.
SoNika
Lena, I emphasized above that I do according to the recipe nonche, fine iodized salt ... oh, I want to reduce to 1 tsp.
Waist
In my instructions for French bread - 1 tsp fine salt per 400 grams of flour.
fffuntic
well oversalted is worse than undersalted. If it is not enough, you will increase it next time. I put butter in 30 g, you can't spoil the porridge with butter, I like it more comfortable.


Added Monday 13 Mar 2017 12:22 PM

most importantly ... tsp salt without slides ...
SoNika
girls, I poured cream into the water 100g (instead of powdered milk) ... add?
hmm .. translation ...

this, when I was at sea ... they knew Russian poorly and the slogans sounded like "Hello ... new year", "Hello, how are you sharing, with NG" ,,,


fffuntic
And I put 1, 25 tsp. nevertheless, and 30 g of butter ... there is the whole chip, that there is no sweetness at all, but such saltiness with crusts


Added Monday 13 Mar 2017 12:26 pm

Quote: NikaVS

girls, I poured cream into the water 100g (instead of powdered milk) ... add?
I wouldn't. It may be tasty, but not a Frenchman, but something creamy. Do it at least once according to the recipe, and then you will experiment. I know for sure 15 g more oil, not particularly noticeable, but the cream is already very far away
Marisha Aleksevna
Quote: fffuntic
my favorite option is from the recipe book
Yes, this recipe is simply excellent and it is with butter, I put it “by eye.” The only thing, the last time I baked on kefir and waved 1.5 tablespoons of salt all the same - it worked out very well anyway.
SoNika
yes ... dilemma, I won't add kefir now, maybe next time.
Well, I have no su. milk, only dry cream, I bought them different for KM, but after checking all of them, one starch turned out to be.
fffuntic
undersalting will ruin the taste. Therefore, it is just important here to salt and not to oversalt. If you always put your teaspoon, then you should definitely put 1.25 ... a little more than always


Added Monday 13 Mar 2017 12:31 pm

and don't put anything else in there ... it's only allowed as enhancer a couple of spoons of whey, just a little.
Marisha Aleksevna
Quote: NikaVS
all of them after checking, one starch turned out to be.
Nika, you can replace some of the water with ordinary milk (not dry).
fffuntic
She has no milk. Then let it replace it with cream. But not exactly 100 g. It must be counted

write down the fat content of your cream, how much we need to count
SoNika
There is simple milk. But everything is late. Filled with water. And here you once gave me a link to a Frenchman for our HP, there are generally all 280 grams. milk!
Water, flour, yeast, oil, salt ... something bothers me that I don't understand ... And the crust, the size is not displayed for some reason
fffuntic
Quote: NikaVS

There is simple milk. But everything is late. Filled with water. And here you once gave me a link to a Frenchman for our HP, there are generally all 280 grams. milk!
but ... according to the instructions, you will most likely have little water. Personally, I am always missing.
If it turns out to be so, then add cream and))) There just a couple of spoons will come out.

Put your nose in the ball
SoNika
OK let's see

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