fffuntic
Quote: NikaVS

Yes, I was a little tug at the chalet, I beat on a bucket, I had to stroke it lightly with my wet hands. I added 60g. words into broth like you, you advised, then I will try with serum. Do sweet buns differ in the amount of sugar? Honey is not felt at all (white). Strong dark groin, I replaced it and everyone is happy.


Added Thursday, 09 Mar 2017 10:04 PM
interesting - is it necessary to bring up to 65? They seemed to write that everything is by touch ...

Nika ... practice with dumplings.
Pay attention.

Kneading, for example, takes 25 minutes.
You put flour and water in the bucket. The scapula starts to knead. Mixes the first three minutes. Let's say your flour forms gluten in 15 minutes.
So after 15 minutes you have gluten in the bucket and the machine only has 25-15 = 10 minutes for its development.
If after 15 minutes you plump flour, then your new dry flour will not have time to give gluten, which they will have time to knead. This piece of unmixed gluten will remain as it is.

Or, after 15 minutes, a dry lump began to hit you. What does it mean to fight? This means running around the bucket without mixing. And while you stroke it, kiss it, dilute it ... precious minutes pass. The kneading will begin only from the minute the bun becomes alive and begins to "hug" with the spatula. The gingerbread man is kneading with a spatula. When it mixes layers, it makes it wriggle. It’s as if you were simply driving the dough or kneading it with your hands, just like in football. A complete analogy.
If you dilute it 2 minutes before the end of the kneading with a spatula, then you will get unmixed bread.

Therefore, it is the same with standing. I kneaded the porridge. Allowed to swell. The main batch went. It is necessary to turn the kolobok into a living creature as soon as possible, within the first minutes, so that the machine has time to knead it.



And about the touch. At 50 degrees, swelling occurs, at 64, gelatinization begins.
It seems like nonsense, about 60 degrees ... almost nearby. But only there is no gelatinization and no desired properties. At 64, what we need, at 75, the paste has a maximum density, completely different properties.
It's like undercooking or overcooking scrambled eggs. Not scary, but tasteless
SoNika
NaTali remembered an anecdote))) The most caloric food is tea (coffee) - there is always a bun, gingerbread, candy for them ...)))
Waist
Quote: fffuntic
It's like undercooking or overcooking eggs. Not scary, but tasteless
And sometimes it is not terribly tasty



Added Thursday, 09 Mar 2017 10:22 PM

Quote: NikaVS
The most high-calorie food is tea (coffee) - there is always a bun, gingerbread, candy for them ...)))
Lately, when I want to eat, I'm looking for something to eat for tea
fffuntic
Natasha
European toast ... it is dry and like cotton wool. And this one you will do on the main program with a normal 4-hour fermentation time. Therefore, it will not be like toast. He will be just gentle.
But you do not need to ferment the bun, there is enough baking and there is no use nourishing, so there you can improve the structure. Strengthen the batch more bread and give a short fermentation.
It will be very unusual. Try it.

Now, if you decided to make bread on brioches, you would get closer to toast.

The main program will not mix as much and there will be decent fermentation. So try
Well, add bacteria from whey, it will only taste better
SoNika
let me disagree about scrambled eggs ...
NaTalia, my grandfather used to say "Eat while your mouth is fresh, as it wilts, it won't pull." Although now they say "Eat, while your mouth is fresh, but it wilts - no one will look into it" ...
Girls, thank you very much. Lena, I write everything down
I went bikes with a book.
fffuntic
Quote: NikaVS

..
Lena, Natalia, did strictly on video and boom. To the recipe (I’m a former chef), everything worked out right away, but the temperature was 57.5, and the traces of the trident were very obvious, I didn’t risk it any more, especially since the consistency was homogeneous, tender, slightly steeper than kefir. Immediately placed on ice. And then to ing-you and that's it. What is there to be wise, it is not difficult, when you understand and do it yourself, more Do I worry

I explained to you that it is not necessary to offend flour in this tea leaves. Since your whisk stains went up to 57 degrees, this means that you offended some of the flour. She's gotten thicker ahead of time.
Be kind. Make it so that you have a kefir consistency at 64 degrees, along with streaks without buns.
Don't get any thicker. Better thinner.


Added Thursday, 09 Mar 2017 10:48 PM

Natasha, I just thought that I would have to put a jelly in your bread with whey and see the result.
As soon as I return home, I'll do it right away. I can't wait. There must be something delicious.
Waist
Quote: fffuntic
Natasha, I just thought that I would have to put a jelly in your bread with whey and see the result.
As soon as I return home, I'll do it right away. I can't wait. There must be something delicious.
What should I do ?? I still have bread for tomorrow.Today I threw out half a roll again
... to go to the neighbors or something ... Bread makers Panasonic SD-2500, SD-2501, SD-2502 (3) It's scary to think what they think of me
fffuntic
Quote: Waist

...
... to go to the neighbors or something ... Bread makers Panasonic SD-2500, SD-2501, SD-2502 (3) It's scary to think what they think of me
are you still shy? My neighbors and girlfriends have been raking in my experiments for a long time
the last time I made eclairs and threw them out to the birds, so the neighbor was terribly indignant: she smelled the whole floor and did not share
Waist
Quote: fffuntic

are you still shy? My neighbors and girlfriends have been raking in my experiments for a long time
the last time I made eclairs and threw them out to the birds, so the neighbor was terribly indignant: she smelled the whole floor and did not share
Yes, if I communicated with them. That's why I'm so worried. Yes, and it's not convenient to come with a half loaf, but I need to know what happened there, and try


Added Friday, 10 Mar 2017 03:14

AAaaaaaa ...

I don't know what it was. I checked the batch of the "One-grain" program in my oven: it turned out that both batches at the same speed of about 100 blade revolutions in 25 seconds. And the first time was only 61
In general, I fixed in his post describing the program.
Wlad
Quote: Waist
... to go to the neighbors or something ... It's scary to think what they will think of me

Natalia, Delicious homemade bread makes delicious homemade crackers ... and they ... hrum hrum hrum ... have the property of hrum hrum hrum ... they will quickly end
SoNika
Peaceful sky, bakers. I tried it, the bread is very tender, it turned out straight air, soft. In toast and frying, it is odtnako good. Only the bread spirit in the house was not enough ...
NaTali try to cut the side off hot. crust and put in the refrigerator, min. eat in 5-10! MMM crunchy coffee song !!! As long as I do not try, such deliciousness does not work in another way. And bread with a stake. and cheese, too, warming up, you get a softer acus and aroma.
Tomorrow I'll try to make dumplings.
Wlad
Well vooooot. the idiot's dream came true ... put mushroom bread ... now I'm waiting with horror to see what happens
$ vetLana
WLAD, did you choose the right mushrooms?
Wlad
Svetlana, white grinded 50 grams into mushroom powder .., and now I'm thinking if this will be a lot for a medium-sized loaf
$ vetLana
You have calmed me down. And then some others (not whites) are carried away.
Try it, tell us.
Wlad
Svetlana, I will definitely boast, if of course there is something


Added Friday 10 Mar 2017 05:37 PM

Here is such a mushroom bread ... but I did not like the taste, I will not be able to make such an oven again
Bread makers Panasonic SD-2500, SD-2501, SD-2502 (3)Bread makers Panasonic SD-2500, SD-2501, SD-2502 (3)
fffuntic
....
NaTali try to cut the side off hot. crust and put in the refrigerator, min. eat in 5-10! MMM crunchy coffee song !!! As long as I do not try, such deliciousness does not work in another way. And bread with a stake. and cheese, too, warming up, you get a softer acus and aroma.
...
Nikaaaa, well, you finally try French bread, ahhhh?
do not listen to anyone. They all understand nothing about crusts. Even in Three crusts
Be sure to make it with butter and milk powder from the instructions, just adjust the bun for yourself.
They get soooo crusts, they won't live to see the refrigerator
For me, crusts exist only in this mode. Everybody else sucks
mamusi
Quote: fffuntic
Nikaaaa, do you finally try French bread, aaaaa?
do not listen to anyone. They all understand nothing about crusts. Even in Three crusts
sorry ...
I didn't say that .... I love French!))))
(I just don't know how to cook it!)))
Just kidding. I cooked more than once. And Natasha ~ Talia ~ did her daily in French ... This is a song, not Bread!
fffuntic
Quote: mamusi

sorry ...
I didn't say that .... I love French!))))
(I just don't know how to cook it!)))
Just kidding. I cooked more than once. And Natasha ~ Talia ~ did her daily in French ... This is a song, not Bread!

ahaa ... Natasha is in the French regime, yes, yes, yes ... otherwise the Panasonic is underexploited.
Who has not tried it yet ...


Added on Friday 10 Mar 2017 08:32 PM

Quote: Dark Steppe Eagle

Svetlana,
Here is such a mushroom bread ... but I did not like the taste, I will not be able to make such an oven again
I think we need to make a separate minced meat with mushrooms and onions while the bread is baking. Then, when the bread has cooled, cut it and cut it in the middle into several bread points, like a sandwich or a large pie. It should be delicious.
I spied in one book and did it a couple of times: when the bread dries up, remove a little of the middle, put a chicken in there, preferably with a sauce: white with mushrooms, sour cream with onions, which you can eat at home and bake a little. Such an impromptu pie turns out. Delicious. Homemade bread with delicious filling.

Buderbrod is a little different. It is soaked here and it turns out like a pie
You can rub the cheese on top.
Wlad
Quote: fffuntic
I think we need to make a separate minced meat with mushrooms and onions while the bread is baking.
Probably this option will be much tastier, thank you very much, I'll definitely try sometime
fffuntic
and I also love the bad and fatty buderbrod, horror ... but tasty. Primitive to the point of horror, herring or red fish and all that kind of fish-salt in a blender with butter. That is, I get the notorious "herring" oil.

There is an idea to make a restaurant with cream, but for now butter is in use

And when I make chicken, pies and so on, I dug up one and liked it. Add toasted parsley in butter. It seems like nonsense, but it gives the original taste. Maybe some of you will like it. You can simply sprinkle on top.
Wlad
Quote: fffuntic
horror ... but delicious. Primitive to horror
I myself am such a terribly harmful and terribly tasty abazha ... only there is still melted cheese present for even more terrible horror
And in general, the most delicious food is the most harmful .. eh. the tastier the more harmful ... Well, where is the justice
SoNika
Quote: fffuntic


Nikaaaa, well, you finally try French bread, ahhhh?
do not listen to anyone.
Helen, he is next on the list, I work a lot ... brains on my side ... I never thought that I would want a pension
So, do not be offended by me,: girl_curtsey :, now in my head "Blue whale" settled for a couple of weeks does not allow to relax, I am all anxious ... I am relieved with bread. Lena, what advice on the Frenchman should I take from the HP recipe?


Added on Friday 10 Mar 2017 9:28 PM

Quote: Dark Steppe Eagle

Probably this option will be much tastier, thank you very much, I'll definitely try sometime
Vlad sorry that I'm getting in to the specialists. Have you soaked mushrooms or ground them into powder?


Added on Friday 10 Mar 2017 9:33 PM

Quote: fffuntic

and I also love the bad and fatty budderbrod, horror ... but tasty. Primitive to horror, herring or red fish and all that kind of fish-salt c. Add toasted parsley in butter. It seems like nonsense, but it gives the original taste. Maybe some of you will like it. You can simply sprinkle on top.
For example, discoveries and efforts for loved ones: girl_wink: I made mushroom pate on cream the other day, they dared it right away, but they didn't eat frozen later ... I made herring butter, dill and cr. fish ..., but alas now they say you can't buy this fish ... I liked the dill more, with chia seeds, with fenugreek, something didn't work out ... the Indians overdried or I ...
Wlad
Quote: NikaVS
Have you soaked mushrooms or ground them into powder?
initially it was just dried mushrooms, then I ground them into dust, then poured boiling water over the whole thing for about half an hour and then poured all this mass directly into a bucket ...
Quote: NikaVS
I'm getting in to the specialists
Do not tell my slippers ... ... they are already funny ... they found a specialist If my memory serves me, then these were generally the first dried mushrooms in my life with which I did something
SoNika
Quote: Dark Steppe Eagle

initially they were just dried mushrooms, then I ground them into dust, then I poured the whole thing with boiling water for about half an hour and then poured all this mass directly into the bucket ... Don't tell my slippers ... ... they are already funny ... found a specialist If my memory serves me, then these were generally the first dried mushrooms in my life with which I did something
well, I mean everyone here ... you are already aces, I am "yeast" Vlad porcini mushrooms must be soaked 1: 6, at least 3 hours, to speed up the process you can use salted water, some are soaked in milk for softness. .. Maybe you don't grind, try to soak and fry, mushrooms are difficult to digest, they need a term. treatment. I just wanted to make such bread by frying the mushrooms (with onions and garlic, but removing them after frying), leaving only the fragrant butter with mushrooms tempter But alas, the Karelian mushrooms are gone
Wlad
Quote: NikaVS
Vlad porcini mushrooms must be soaked 1: 6, at least 3 hours
So that's why I ground them into dust to speed up the process
SoNika
Quote: Dark Steppe Eagle

So that's why I ground them into dust to speed up the process
30 minutes. few, but people inventors offer a super fast way (I have not tried it) ))) Mushrooms must be put in a bowl, pour cold water so that it completely covers the mushrooms and in the microwave at maximum power for 5 minutes. Watch out for the mushrooms, the water may completely evaporate, it is better to pour a little more.))) They suggest further boiling or frying
Wlad
Quote: NikaVS
mushrooms and microwave
I have not used the microwave for a long time and I do not advise you ... this thing is very dangerous
How does a microwave oven work?

Microwaves are a form of electromagnetic energy, just like light waves or radio waves. These are very short electromagnetic waves that travel at the speed of light (299,792 km per second). In modern technology, microwaves are used in a microwave oven, for long distance and international telephone communications, the transmission of television programs, the Internet on Earth and via satellites. But microwaves are best known to us as a source of energy for cooking - the microwave.

Each microwave oven contains a magnetron, which converts electrical energy into a super-high frequency electric field of 2450 Megahertz (MHz) or 2.45 Gigahertz (GHz), which interacts with water molecules in food.

This can be imagined as follows: a water molecule, when an electric field is applied to it, always tends to orient itself along the field, just as a compass needle tends to establish itself along the earth's magnetic field. However, in the field of a microwave electromagnetic wave, the direction of the electric field changes at a very high frequency (more than a billion times per second), and the molecule has to constantly rotate.
Microwaves bombard water molecules in food, causing them to rotate millions of times per second, creating molecular friction that heats the food. This friction causes significant damage to food molecules, breaking or deforming them, creating structural isomerism.

Isomerism (from iso ... and Greek.méros - share, part) of chemical compounds, a phenomenon consisting in the existence of substances that are the same in composition and molecular weight, but differ in the structure or arrangement of atoms in space and, as a result, in physical and chemical properties. Such substances are called isomers.

Simply put, a microwave oven causes food to break down and change its molecular structure through radiation.

Who Invented Microwave Ovens?

The Nazis, for their military operations, invented a microwave oven - "radiomissor", for cooking, which were going to be used in the war with Russia. The time spent on cooking in this case sharply decreased, which made it possible to focus on other tasks.

After the war, the Allies discovered medical research conducted by the Germans with microwave ovens. These documents, as well as some working models, were submitted to the United States for "further scientific research." The Russians also obtained a number of such models and conducted a thorough study of their biological effects. As a result, the use of microwave ovens in the USSR was banned for some time. The councils have issued an international warning on harmful substances, biological and environmental, resulting from exposure to microwaves.

Other Eastern European scientists have also identified the harmful effects of microwave radiation and have placed severe environmental restrictions on their use.

Microwaves are not safe for children!

Some of the amino acids L - proline, which are found in mother's milk, as well as in infant formula, are converted by microwaves into -d isomers, which are considered neurotoxic (deforming the nervous system) and nephrotoxic (poisonous to the kidneys). It is a problem that many babies are fed on artificial milk replacers (baby food), which are made even more toxic by microwave ovens.

Scientific evidence and facts

A comparative study, Microwave Cooking, published in 1992 in the United States, states:
“From a medical point of view, it is believed that the introduction of molecules exposed to microwaves into the human body is much more likely to cause harm than good. Microwave food contains microwave energy in molecules that is not present in conventionally prepared foods. "

Microwave waves artificially created in a microwave oven, based on alternating current, produce about a billion polarity changes in each molecule per second. In this case, the deformation of molecules is inevitable. It has been noted that amino acids in food are isomerically altered and also converted to toxic forms when exposed to microwaves produced in a microwave oven. A short-term study has generated significant concern about changes in the blood composition of people who ate microwave-heated milk and vegetables. Eight other volunteers ate the same food, but prepared in traditional ways. All foods that were processed in microwave ovens led to changes in the volunteers' blood. Hemoglobin levels decreased and cholesterol levels increased.

Swiss clinical research

Dr. Hans Ulrich Hertel, participated in a similar study and worked for a large Swiss company for many years. Several years ago, she was fired from her position for divulging the results of these experiments. In 1991, she and a professor at the University of Lausanne published a study showing that food cooked in the microwave can pose health risks compared to food cooked in traditional ways. An article also appeared in Franz Weber magazine # 19, which stated that the consumption of food cooked in microwave ovens has a malignant effect on the blood.

Dr. Hertel was the first scientist to conduct a clinical study on the effects of microwave food on blood and human physiology. This small study highlighted the degenerative forces that occur in microwave ovens and food processed in them. Scientific evidence has shown that microwave cooking alters the nutrient composition of food. This study was carried out together with Dr. Bernard H. Blanc of the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology and the Institute of Biochemistry.

Between two and five days, volunteers received one of the following food options on an empty stomach: (1) raw milk; (2) the same milk, heated in the traditional way; (3) pasteurized milk; (4) the same milk heated in a microwave oven; (5) fresh vegetables; (6) the same vegetables cooked traditionally; (7) frozen vegetables thawed in the traditional way; and (the same vegetables cooked in the microwave.

Blood samples were taken from volunteers just before each meal. Then a blood test was performed at certain intervals after the intake of milk and herbal products.

Significant changes were found in blood meal intervals exposed to microwave exposure. These changes included a reduction in hemoglobin and a change in cholesterol composition, especially the ratio of HDL (good cholesterol) to LDL (bad cholesterol). The number of Lymphocytes (white blood cells) increased. All these indicators are indicative of degeneration.

Radiation leads to the destruction and deformation of food molecules. The microwave oven creates new compounds that do not exist in nature, called radiolytic. Radiolytic compounds create molecular rot - as a direct consequence of radiation.

Microwave oven manufacturers claim that microwaved food does not differ much in composition compared to conventionally processed food. The clinical scientific evidence presented here suggests that this is simply a lie.

No public university in the United States has conducted a single study on the effects of modified food in the microwave on the human body. Isn't this a bit odd? But there is a lot of research on what happens if the microwave door is not closed. Once again, common sense tells us that their attention should be paid to what happens to food cooked in the microwave. We can only guess how molecular rot from the microwave will affect your health in the future!

Microwave carcinogens.

In an Earthletter article in March and September 1991, Dr. Lita Lee provides some facts about microwave ovens. In particular, she stated that all microwave ovens leak electromagnetic radiation, and also degrade the quality of food, converting its substances into toxic and carcinogenic compounds. The research summaries summarized in this article show that microwave ovens are far more harmful than previously thought.

The following is a summary of Russian research published by the Atlantis Raising Educational Center in Portland, Oregon. They say that carcinogens have been formed in virtually all foods exposed to microwave radiation. Here is a summary of some of these results:

Microwave cooking of meat brings about the formation of the known carcinogen -d Nitrosodienthanolamines
Some of the amino acids found in milk and cereal products have been transformed into carcinogens.

Defrosting some frozen fruits converts glucoside galactoside into carcinogenic substances.
Already a short exposure to microwaves on fresh, cooked or frozen vegetables converts alkaloids in their composition into carcinogens.
Carcinogenic free radicals have been formed by exposure to plant foods, especially root vegetables. Their nutritional value was also reduced.

Russian scientists have also found that food is reduced in nutritional value when exposed to microwaves from 60 to 90%!

Consequences of exposure to carcinogens

Creation of cancer agents in protein compounds - hydrolysate. In milk and cereals, these are natural proteins that, under the influence of a microwave, break down and mix with water molecules, creating carcinogenic formations.
Changes in elementary nutrients, the consequence is disorders in the digestive system caused by metabolic disorders.
Due to chemical changes in food, shifts in the lymphatic system have been observed, leading to a degeneration of the immune system.
The absorption of irradiated food leads to an increase in the percentage of cancer cells in the blood serum.
Defrosting and heating vegetables and fruits leads to the oxidation of alcoholic compounds contained in their composition.

The effect of microwaves on raw vegetables, especially root vegetables, contributes to the formation of free radicals in mineral compounds that cause cancer.

As a result of eating foods cooked in a microwave oven, there is a predisposition to the development of cancer of the intestinal tissues, as well as general degeneration of peripheral tissues with a gradual destruction of the functions of the digestive system.
Direct presence in the vicinity of the microwave oven.

Causes, according to Russian scientists, the following problems:

Deformation of the composition of the blood and lymphatic regions;

Degeneration and destabilization of the internal potential of cell membranes;

Disruption of electrical nerve impulses in the brain;

Degeneration and decay of nerve endings and loss of energy in the area of ​​nerve centers in both the anterior and posterior central and autonomic nervous systems;
In the long term, the cumulative loss of vital energy from animals and plants that are within 500 meters of the equipment.
In the USSR, the use of microwave ovens was banned in 1976.

Adapted from an article by Anthony Wayne and Lawrence Newwell,
Christian Law Institute, USA.

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SoNika
Quote: Dark Steppe Eagle

I have not used the microwave for a long time and I do not advise you ... this thing is very dangerous
understandably
Wlad
Quote: NikaVS
understandably
I am not agitating for or against anyone, I just made such a decision for myself, of course, a very convenient thing, but it is quite possible to do without it ... primitive people did without them ... so I will interrupt somehow
SoNika
Quote: Dark Steppe Eagle

I am not agitating for or against anyone, I just made such a decision for myself, of course, a very convenient thing, but it is quite possible to do without it ... primitive people did without them ... so I will interrupt somehow
sure you may...
fffuntic
Oh yes, written in a supposedly scientific language using a bunch of complex terms for an ordinary person. And a horror story about supposedly real scientific research
Sorry, guys, but I am a physicist by education and such things just cause a smile and the classic "demons invented electricity in general"
but nothing ... that these unfortunate water molecules are already constantly in motion. And what about rubbing is normal and natural for them?
but nothing ... that the transfer of any thermal energy is necessarily the acceleration of either directional or chaotic movement of molecules, as a rule, and they rub are poor, rub even when heated in a saucepan not a stove

The residual phenomenon of radiation is due to the fact that left-handed particles remain there. Micro can not leave anything anywhere a priori
In general, the desire for you to live like in a cave and believe home-grown "doctors" and horror stories, your business.

For me, micro is a wonderful modern kitchen equipment. Wonderful. Safe, if you do not climb your head there. But you can't go into the oven either.

Wit
Vlad, put this bullshit under the spoiler.

Tell us what is "Christian Law Institute, USA." ... rather, try.

I will risk giving a link and an excerpt from the article



"... Are microwaves dangerous?

A number of misconceptions are associated with microwave ovens, which are explained by a lack of understanding of the nature of this type of electromagnetic waves and the mechanism of microwave heating. We hope that our story will help overcome such prejudices.

Microwaves are radioactive or make food radioactive.

This is not true: microwaves are classified as non-ionizing radiation. They do not have any radioactive effect on substances, biological tissues and food.

Microwaves alter the molecular structure of foods or make foods carcinogenic.

This is also wrong. Microwaves work differently from X-rays or ionizing radiation, and they cannot make foods carcinogenic. In contrast, because cooking with microwaves requires very little fat, the finished meal contains less burnt fat with a modified molecular structure during cooking. Therefore, cooking with microwaves is healthier and poses no danger to humans.

Microwave ovens emit hazardous radiation.

This is not true. Although direct exposure to microwaves can cause thermal damage to tissues, there is no risk when using a working microwave oven. The design of the oven provides for strict measures to prevent the emission of radiation outside: there are duplicated devices for blocking the microwave source when the oven door is opened, and the door itself prevents microwaves from leaving the cavity. Neither the casing, nor any other part of the oven, nor food placed in the oven accumulates microwave electromagnetic radiation. As soon as the oven is turned off, the emission of microwaves stops ... "
Already removed, good.

SoNika
oh .... everyone chooses for himself ... I understand with my mind that a cell phone is the greatest harm to my body, of all my devices and assistants ... therefore I don't carry it with me everywhere, and I don't put it next to time to sleep...



Added on Friday 10 Mar 2017 10:37 PM

Quote: Wit

Vlad, put this bullshit under the spoiler.

Tell us what is "Christian Law Institute, USA." ... rather, try.
Vital, remove the link, they will punish ...
Wit
Quote: Dark Steppe Eagle
primitive people did without them ... so I will interrupt somehow

They did without a bread machine)))



Added on Friday 10 Mar 2017 10:40 pm

fffuntic,
Wlad
I have already said above that I am not campaigning for anyone and made such a decision for myself, well, as they say, time will tell who was right, then there are two camps, so to speak, I know that very well ...
fffuntic
Lethal argument
In the USSR, the use of microwave ovens was banned in 1976.
equipment is prohibited until it is simply modified for safe operation, and not because there were "terrible microwaves".
Quote: Dark Steppe Eagle

I have already said above that I am not campaigning for anyone and made such a decision for myself, well, as they say, time will tell who was right, then there are two camps, so to speak, I know that very well ...

not two camps, but scientists (real) and ordinary intimidated people
Wit
Quote: NikaVS
Vital, remove the link, they will punish ...
* JOKINGLY * already removed


Posted on Friday 10 Mar 2017 10:47 PM

Quote: Dark Steppe Eagle
I already said above that I am not campaigning for anyone and I made such a decision for myself
Then what have we got to do with it? Why do we need to read this garbage?
Wlad
Quote: Wit
They did without a bread machine)))
I can't understand this, that's how you can do without such a necessary thing ... ... that's why they didn't even have bread


Added Friday 10 Mar 2017 10:52 PM

Quote: Dark Steppe Eagle
Then what have we got to do with it? Why do we need to read this garbage
And I don't force anyone to read it like ... I just didn't know how to hide the answer at first
SoNika
Vlad, I respect your decision, it is dictated by your ... attitudes and you follow them. Not touching anyone.
It seems to me that the infa about concentration camps is triggered ... because we still remember, we caught the echo of war and horrors ..



Added Friday 10 Mar 2017 10:53 PM

Quote: Wit

* JOKINGLY * already removed
fffuntic
These poor cursed microwaves work just a little more intensely than the usual contact heating. You know that they penetrate and transfer their energy per cm of the surface. The same principle as in the frying pan.
Only more intense.
A similar opportunity to intensively transfer energy is used in professional stone grill ovens. When the cutlet is placed on hot surfaces and it does not have time to burn, it is only quickly baked.
But the stones are familiar and understandable, so no one shouts ... oh, horror, water molecules made you run and rub faster
Wlad
Quote: NikaVS
Vlad, I respect your decision, it is dictated by your ... attitudes and you follow them
Thank you
but it works for a different reason ... a few years ago I got a small experiment at home by accident, and only after that I paid attention to the whole thing
fffuntic
Vlad, in essence I'm just trying to add convenience to your life and win you over to the side of micro
But, of course, I do not want to offend or somehow insult your right to personal opinion. I speak aggressively only against those who managed to instill in you a prejudice against modern technology. Micro is a very great convenience.

Wlad
Quote: fffuntic
Vlad, in essence I'm just trying to add convenience to your life.
Elena, thank you very much, I really like to listen to and read smart people, it is not in vain that they say live and learn ... I got a lot of interesting information on this topic for which I am very grateful and grateful to you all
But trying to convince a ram about something is not an easy task, and your humble servant is just that, and even probably the most stubborn of all ... therefore, for now, I remain unconvinced
fffuntic
Vlad, everything would be fine. But here only one ram will be worse
if there is a desire, share what such terrible evidence you found, and we will try to dissuade

I mnu and in real life there are convinced micro-lovers. But they are all far from being physicists. They will be told the terrible word "magnetron" and they are immediately scared. Directly a nuclear reactor in the kitchen
SoNika
how I like smart conversations, without jerking and clawing, respect to you.
Messages do not come from the topic in the mail.
Wlad
Well, it was like this ... in a certain kingdom ... in a certain state ... in a word. there was a vase on the microwave in which fruits were lying, everything was eaten from the vase, but one apple remained and the same green apples were still in the bag, at our house fruits, as it were, are welcome ... well, they can lie for a very long time, right up to the garbage add buckets ... and after a while I noticed that this very apple began to look like it didn't look so hot, everything shriveled and withered when, as his brothers were in excellent condition ... I will add that these apples from the same batch were and besides, even out of one box ... So after that I thought ... why
I do not know how to tell and express my thoughts beautifully, but I think that I managed to convey the general meaning
Waist
For some time now

I perceive a micro-roll as a device capable of heating so strongly and quickly that, if used incorrectly / ineptly, the product is sterilized in a short time. The same thing happens much more slowly on the stove or in the oven. In principle, that's all I thought of and calmed down on this
This is after I read that in about 5 minutes a glass jar with a small amount of water is sterilized in a micron at full power. And in the old fashioned way, it took much longer to boil for sterilization.
Sterilization is, after all, the killing of everything, both harmful and useful.

Wlad
Quote: Waist
Sterilization is, after all, the killing of everything, both harmful and useful.
that's exactly what I want to emphasize the words useful and lively
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Waist
You can also boil it on the stove or in the oven so that nothing will remain there.
Vlad, and if this apple were stored on a periodically working stove, then it probably would have changed in the same way.


Added Friday 10 Mar 2017 11:53 PM

Vlad, for this, there are rules for using the device, so as not to overheat, not to sterilize food.After all, they cook on the stove according to the rules of temperatures.

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