Cooking in Oursson KP0600HSD processor

Here is a cutaway bread. The crumb is dense, dry baked and tastes, well, very tasty for steamed bread. Inside, the color is brownish, maybe half of the whole grain flour goes.

Yesterday I again cooked oatmeal at 80, today millet is also at 80. I cooked it for half an hour somewhere. During this time and at this temperature, nothing was burnt. Absolutely clean bottom. Apparently the fact is that it warms more. We can say that with a burn, the question is backward.

I go to experts for help. Since it's spring, there are not enough vitamins, I want to make a rosehip drink. There is a recipe for making a drink in the thermomix, it is very convenient to cook, pour the fruits into the basket, add water and after cooking in a mixing bowl we will get a healthy drink, and discard the fruits from the basket. And in our kitchen processor what time and temperature to choose to preserve vitamins. I realized the temperature was better to choose 80 degrees, but how long? I am still poorly guided.

Brew dry fruits with boiling water in a thermos. All substances are well extracted and the color becomes saturated within a day. Little at night. I don't know about cooking in other devices.

I'm already tired of cooking in a thermos, I want to connect other devices too, maybe. in MV or SV it is good to do this drink.

I found it. There, first, dry fruits are ground, this can be done at turbo speed, then they are poured with hot water and boiled in it within half an hour. Citrus peels and cinnamon are indicated as additives. Then they filter. The steam basket is used as a strainer. They write that when grinding fruits, rosehip seeds are better used, which is useful as a choleretic. I also found that when prepared from crushed fruits, the taste is more sour. The temperature can be set to less than 100 to preserve nutrients. Maybe tomorrow I'll try to do it, there is a rosehip at home.

Masinen, you still write to us in this thread your impressions of comparing these units, especially for the shortcomings that we discussed here. You are welcome. Comparison with experience is a very valuable opinion.

By the way, with VEI, we discussed these two devices, since she also has one and the other, and revealed one difference, in Orson you can cook without using knives, which, for example, is convenient for spreading the dough by 37 degrees. And in tm you can't do without knives, at least it didn't work out for me.
If I see it again, I will definitely write. Yesterday I did not even have time to cook something in the TM.

I just looked through the topic about thermomix on this forum. I noticed what they write about the temperature. So there it, on the contrary, differs in the smaller direction from the nominal. That is, at 100 it really heats up to 90. Apparently, in Orson it is exactly the opposite. This must be taken into account when cooking according to thermomix recipes.

Also never cooked dry in the processor
But, I think I would do this:
- rinse, lay.
- bring to a boil 100 *, to soften it a little, so that the foam rises.
- reduce T * to 80-90, let the berries boil for 7-10 minutes to soften, and useful substances began to come out and work.
- turn it off and let it insist for a few hours.

In general, rosehip is such a "fruit" that should be infused for a long time

Eh, just be glad ... I just made a drink from dried apricots, it turned out great. I poured it over, washed the bowl. I put the porridge to cook. He doesn't cook like that !!! Writes error E2 and turns off, an infection. This means overheating.I've been cooling it down for an hour, periodically I come up, try to turn it on at least 70 degrees - it works for a few seconds and then E2 turns off again. Has anyone had this? That is, it cannot work for more than half an hour without stopping? Again an ambush.

As for the rose hip, I understood that the trick is precisely to grind it, then it will really turn out faster than in a thermos. And to insist it when cooling down, in my opinion, is useless. I have to try it, maybe it's really good with dog rose?

But when will it start working again?

Angelica, did you insert the bowl tightly? Does she hang out? Did you put in the amount of porridge as usual or more? I have never had this, but I have always observed the volume of products, because Orson cannot be overloaded.
I cooked in it for an hour, and with knives and not. But for example, I never cooked two dishes in a row. Those I usually make 1 dish and mustache. And then after three hours I will remember what else I need and will do it again. But not in a row. And overheating may still be that you cook the porridge at a lower temperature and it did not have time to cool down to the required porridge, so it gives an error.
I don't see any more reasons.

I cooked 2 dishes in a row. I cooked buckwheat and immediately began to boil the potatoes, well, m. 15 minutes have just passed. Everything worked out, I didn't even know that there were such problems.

In general, rosehip is such a "fruit" that should be infused for a long time

Therefore, I want to find the right way to cook it, cook it in the processor or not bother and immediately in the MV (SV).

Angelica, and you read the instructions, E2 writes there - overheating of the device, insufficient amount of water. Add water and try turning it on. Likewise, multicooker turns off when there is not enough liquid.

There was plenty of water. Disconnected, waited, disconnected from the network. I immediately looked at the instructions. The volume was less than half a bowl. Then she sued the bowl on the balcony, poured cold water and again, more than an hour passed. And again E2 or E7 after exactly 5 seconds of operation. It looks like he covered himself up, stretched out a little more than a month. Music is playing on the hotline ... It can be seen their day off. Tomorrow I'll try to get rid of it, although I just threw out the damn box this week ..

E7 - this is with the contacts of the mixing bowl you have, something. you will have to carry it to the service for an examination, and then to the store with the conclusion of the service, or the store itself will conduct the examination.
Didn't water get on the contacts?

No water came in.
I can’t bring him to the service, he’s very heavy. Maybe I'll persuade my husband. Although he just came and said that apparently it is necessary to buy good devices, and not all kinds of fakes ...
When the courier brought it to me, he told me that they usually come themselves on complaints. Unfortunately, this usually did not alarm me. It is clear that he is under warranty, one way or another I will get rid of him, just when the device failed a month later, this means the quality of these Orsons is fig.
And now I can imagine buying something similar abroad without a guarantee, so that and if in a month the same garbage, where to run?

Therefore, I want to find the right way to cook it, cook it in the processor or not bother and immediately in the MV (SV).

It is best to simmer in a slow cooker or slow cooker

Angelica, any company has a marriage, I used Orson longer and I had nothing like that. On another forum I read a topic about Orson, the girl bought it a year ago and it works great for her.
Don't be discouraged, anything can happen with technology. Maybe you have a factory marriage and then your money will be returned. I also read about a case like yours, but the girl had it on the second day of purchase, she took it to the store, they carried out an examination and found that this was a factory marriage of the contacts of the bowl, that they did not fit snugly where needed, and they returned it to her money. I have never seen reviews of such breakdowns again. I just got such a copy, I wish you to return your money))

All this is of course true. But imagine dragging this coffin somewhere. Then wait for the results. I have experience with services, usually it's a story for a month.Then go to pick up, hand over to the store. And this is Moscow, traffic jams, queues, inconvenient opening hours. Ordering online with free shipping is a completely different story. Rather, this is the beginning of the story ...
Let's see what I hear on the phone tomorrow to begin with. If he said that they usually come themselves, then this usually happened more than once. There are such good promises on the site about those support, maybe now they are trying to avoid dissatisfied people while they are promoting this Brand in our market. After all, we went to a meeting with the Venser attachment, we didn't have to go anywhere.
But I have my second complaint in a month. More to do with them is not good.

So, it’s in the evening. The device did not work.
Conclusions for me.
I thought about buying Kuko in Kiev, before that I wanted to order an Angel in Korea. Saving is dangerous! With a guarantee, or rather without it, it can be a hit! Tomorrow I'll buy Cuco in Stockman and no more experimentation. Here, all experienced people write that a multicooker is needed more than a thermomixer, so I will gain my personal experience.
At the same time, I will continue to look after the thermomix, maybe later I'll decide to go broke on it. Although so far it is a pity to pay such a price.

Angelica, don't be upset, I had it when I wanted to buy an iPad. In general, I collected money and went to buy, bought it and brought it home, played with him all day, generally ballela. The next day, my friend says to me, let's chat on Skype through the iPad. And it turned out that my microphone did not work, so I got upset, I took the most expensive version on you. Well, I’m under my arm and running to return it, well, everything’s ok, the money turned up and I bought another and. It has been working for almost a year. Vot)))

ABOUT! We have a full range of apple products in our family and their quality and especially service including warranty coverage, we are fed up for 5-6 years! Every time we think, we won't buy any more, but again they appear from somewhere in the house. But we definitely won't buy their computer anymore when this one finally breaks down.
The difference is that Apple is the market leader. And Orson is the new Brand and there should be no mistakes in quality. Personally, I will not look at the products of this company anymore. By the way, there is now a blender for buying a multicooker. It means that there are a lot of dissatisfied people, but the project must be somehow beaten off. I hope on this wave of love for the consumer it will be possible to get rid of this balalaika with a minimum of effort.

[Angelica]

Angelica, I won't say anything about the processor, I don't know, but I'm sooo happy with the multicooker, but I have something to compare with, believe me. Marriage is everywhere, and will always be, because no one removed a person from production. For me, the main thing now is that there would be a connection with the service and it worked as needed.
This is my IMHO. Good luck with your choice

So the climax! They called me back from the store, I left a request for help there in the afternoon. Today is a day off, and it's already evening! Didn't expect sooner tomorrow. They offered to change it, and they themselves will bring a new one and take away the broken one. In our country, where no one cares about the client, when he has already paid his money, this is simply incredible. It means that Orson really needs our market. If you remember that I had a similar story with the breakdown of the Venser nozzle, I can say that they are now working with the consumer just like in the West.
Since this is the case, if tomorrow I have a working Orson, we will continue the experiments. Most likely it will be a rosehip.

Where did you buy it? If this is the official online store of orson ru, then I am there. It is they who are distinguished by this special sensitivity. I believe that according to this nozzle their direct joint, the instructions describe in a completely different way how to put it on, than as it turned out to be. And the most unpleasant thing of course is if you need to go somewhere and drag the whole device.
I hope they will replace it, as I did, since they need customers to be happy.

They should, but we only know how everything depends on specific people. I realized that the courier came to me from the store, as he was with an opportunity somewhere nearby. And now it was from the store that they responded, since I wrote 2 complaints - to the store and those support.
I suggest that you put pressure on the wording in the instructions, if you put it on as described there, then at a speed above 2 it will definitely fly off. I then called those support, there the service on the phone left a very good impression, although they did not know what to do, but they figured it out, called back 2 times. Even then I was surprised, I thought that if they didn't answer right away, they would forget it in 5 minutes. Try to call them too. This is the hotline number

Most importantly, I'm happy for you, otherwise it was a shame for you that we just bought a skiff.
I understood the main principle of working with KP, it is caution and without violence, otherwise it starts to overheat. You will buy a cartoon Kuko for him and see how you unload the processor. He alone will not pull all the cooking.
At me so redmodn 4502 was covered, one plowed and the power board flew. And now I have two main dumplings, a radic and a stadler, and the CP was exclusively to help them when it was necessary to quickly cook for the guests. Or spass the onions with carrots, make mashed potatoes, and so on. And the main cooking is done by multicooker.
I and the thermomix will not rape, only as an aid to cartoons.

In general, no one will change for free, only for my money. You have to order in the service, pay, go to pick up. Generally hemorrhoids.
Angelica, you are lucky to consider))) all these privileges, if you buy from them in the online store, and if you bought it in another, then you will not get anything, that's the way it is.

Oh, sorry! Have you called the hotline? The same number as in the instructions.
We have already arrived this morning, replaced the processor unit and the bowl, the guarantee has been renewed from today. I haven't cooked in it yet.
Experience for the future: buy on Orson ru. While they are clearly trying.

This employee of them, who came, said that there were few complaints about the processor. Maybe I was really lucky. I offered to check it out right away, he said it would be better in an hour from a cold street. And he himself said that if they come again.

No, it's better not from the cold, technology does not like temperature drops. I told you, yours, there was a second review with such a problem, I have not read anywhere else about such breakdowns. Most likely there was a marriage. This one should be good, the main thing is not to overload it, remember - this is the main rule)))) I'll give mine, so it seems to me, I will give a lecture for two hours, to the new mistress.

And here's an interesting question, what does it mean not to overload. I think the maximum power is at max temperature and max speed. There is turbo speed there. As I understood from the reviews of the thermomix at this speed, it cuts ice, even grinds coffee. Grinds the grains into flour. Is Orson capable of this? On the site of those support there is a question whether it is possible to chop ice on an Orson blender, they themselves give a negative answer, it is impossible. There is no such question about the processor. And now I’m thinking about grinding dry rose hips, after all, it’s very hard, wouldn’t this be an unbearable load for him?

I was sitting here reading the instructions from the thermomix, there he writes that you need to be guided by the recipes that go in the books to tm, by the number and volume of products. The recipes give the max volumes that he will pull, those are no longer possible.
In Orson, it is necessary to halve the volumes from the thermomix, because the whole system does not provide for such loads as in TM.
For example, if a tm pulls 500 g of flour for bread, then Orson max 350 g, and so on. I meant it.
And the rose hips must grind, at a speed of 10 or turbo. But it’s still new and has never worked, I wouldn’t risk turning on the turbo.

I made a rosehip drink. I poured a handful of dry fruits with cold water, heated it up to 90 in the processor and boiled it for 20 minutes. Then I chopped everything together at a speed of 8. Boiled it for another 10 minutes at 80. I left it to cool. Strained. Very good and pretty fast.

I also cooked cocoa. She put cocoa powder, granulated sugar, poured cold milk. I put on the Venser attachment first. Cooked at 80 and speed 4. Until the set temperature was reached and then another 5 minutes. I liked it very much. It turned out with whipped foam.It is convenient that you can leave and walk away, does not run away. Not burnt.

Angelica, and how does the new copy behave? Is it different from the past?

It seems to me that he is better, or maybe the experience is already having an effect. Nothing has yet burnt, but I have not heated it above 90. So I have never had to clean the bottom.

Most likely that was defective. Angelica, you write your experiments in the topic, otherwise I wrote mostly, but now I don't have Orson. And I think everyone is still interested in what Orson is)))

Dear ladies who are using this processor. Now I was trying to beat the whites in it. With Venser attachment, speed 4. So no foam came out !!! In general, a mash, which can not be called whipped proteins. It's just that they write a lot on the thermomix that he whips up the squirrels like stone ones, I thought it would be like this here. Has anyone tried to beat whites in it? Maybe I did something wrong? According to the instructions with the venser, the speed cannot be set above 4. I don’t understand how to do something then?

Yes, and I also wanted to consult on the test. Maybe someone made dough for baking in it, yeast, bread? Share your experience, recipes? The idea is to make the dough in it, and bake it in the oven or slow cooker.

Dear ladies who are using this processor. Now I was trying to beat the whites in it. With Venser attachment, speed 4. So no foam came out !!! In general, a mash, which can not be called whipped proteins. It's just that they write a lot on the thermomix that he whips up the squirrels like stone ones, I thought it would be like this here. Has anyone tried to beat whites in it? Maybe I did something wrong? According to the instructions with the venser, the speed cannot be set above 4. I don’t understand how to do something then?

I whipped the whites in it. Sc 4 3-4 minutes, preferably 4. The whites should be cold, and for about 1 minute just beat without sugar, and then start pouring sugar into the hole. It worked fine for me. I think you can put it in 5 minutes.
Regarding the dough, take any recipe from the forum and reduce it to 300-350 grams of flour. In the beginning, add liquid components, salt and sugar. Turn on the Dough mode for 2 minutes. And when the knives went to spin, pour the flour with a spoon, and before that, the flour must be mixed with yeast beforehand.
I didn't make yeast dough. Well, probably on the same principle.

Got it, thanks. Maybe I'll try today. Yesterday he died on bread dough in a few minutes (E5), he mixed badly. True, the dough was cool. But somehow I expected more, to be honest. And about proteins in general longing. Absolutely indistinct liquid mass. Maybe I'll try again, if that's the case again - I'll go back to the mixer, otherwise it's just a translation of products.
In general, in terms of dough and proteins, I'm still disappointed. It is especially disappointing that these two positions on thermrmix are full of enthusiasm. True on the forum Praise this our Orson to all voices. Maybe the truth is I have not yet realized in him?

E5 - engine overheating, there was a lot of flour. I answered you in a personal, read and think))
My proteins turned out fine, try increasing the time to 7 minutes.
And with the test it is necessary in Orson very, very carefully)) do only as I wrote, and then it will interfere normally and the engine will not overheat, this is such a sensitive Orson)))

I cook jelly, it turns out well and there is no need to interfere myself.
and I stopped making the dough in the kp a little (that's why in a hb yeast, or in a kitchen harvester the rest), I only make pancake in it, and if I see that it will not be enough.
with a ball (for minced meat) the same principle - if a little (in meatballs soup etc.) then in kp, the rest is a harvester or a meat grinder

Orson's second chance to whip up the whites allowed him to rehabilitate himself. In fact, they stood like stone. Apparently the day before yesterday was not my day. In general, he really knocks squirrels down very well, you can see for the first time something happened with the eggs, maybe in a hurry a gram of yolk got there. So this Orson function can be counted on. Venser, speed 4, several minutes.

So I got my CP today, now I walk around it in circles. The first thing I set to cook semolina porridge, and now I don't know how to wash the burnt milk from the bottom ... can someone tell me a quick and humane way.

Kissel will definitely try. After all, kneading there is very important, standing by a castotel is not so much fun with a spoon as trying to instruct the device to do it.
In general, drinks are the main thing that I prepare in it every day for the last weeks. Cocoa in milk from powder or chocolate with whipped foam - 8 minutes at 80 g, speed 4. My children love it very much, each cup every morning. I make myself a rosehip drink almost every day. I pour a handful of dry boiling water into a bowl overnight, in the morning I grind everything at a speed of 8 seconds 30-40, heat up to 80 degrees in it for 15-20 minutes. I cool it in it, filter it through a sieve into a jug. Unfortunately, the bones are not ground, so you have to filter. I'm fine without sugar, but you can add to taste.
According to a similar scheme, a drink from dried apricots, only it is not necessary to insist on it for a long time and it is not necessary to filter it. Ready almost immediately.
I also like pumpkin. Cut, pour boiling water into a bowl, cook for 15 minutes, then grind in it for about a minute, with sugar or syrup or with a banana.
I wonder how he would handle coffee? Thermomix is ​​highly praised for coffee. But will Orson pull himself to grind with simultaneous heating of the grain? Maybe someone tried it?

Cook semolina at a rate of 80 degrees with a Venser attachment, speed 4. It does not burn. If the temperature was higher and burnt, it can be easily wiped off with a hard sponge, as with a regular stainless steel casserole. I have a sponge made of soft metal wire for this purpose. You can use a plastic-bristled brush (like ikeevsky brushes with a long handle).
His knives are not sharp, I don't even take them off, it's not a problem to crawl under them with a washcloth or brush.