leostrog
I have never used Berner, I have a "mandolin" and in all 8 or 10 years that I have been using them, mmm, I have never cut myself. There is a special attachment. which protects the fingers.
mamusi
Quote: leostrog
There is a special attachment. which protects the fingers.
Yes, I know about the nozzle. I know.
I have a great status. With a fruit holder. But I managed to stamp my fingertip for myself.
So I speak not by hearsay. I'm afraid of them.
Good The status is already broken. And I won't buy a second one, or a similar one ... nope!
leostrog
I looked now, took a walk. what kind of holder is there. My mandolin is completely different.

Here you can see how she looks and how she dresses.

mamusi
leostrog, thanks, looked!
You know, the status of orange has two fruit holders, square and regular with "needles".
But the mandolin is interesting yes.
fffuntic
Ritusik - siiiistra

I really like the cutting in the Berner. But I also haven't kept such things in the kitchen for a long time. I'm so dumb in the morning and at night that no holder can save me. I use the dumbest knife and the dumbest, probably since the times of my great-great-grandmother, I manage to cut myself with a not chiseled grater. I don’t sharpen knives in the house, and from sharp objects I keep only those that cannot be easily reached at once.
Therefore, alligators rule for me and the electrician with all its far-from-ideal cutting. I'm a soap alligator and also managed to cut myself))))

Mustache sharp scary objects are good for an attentive girl, not ...
mamusi
Quote: fffuntic
far from ideal cutting
I don't understand these "ideals" Len. Our mothers and grandmothers cut with knives. Everyone ate, everything is fine. All survived. Now I hear that some Olivier cannot "eat" (in that number and me), if the cube is slightly larger.
Aesthetes!
Me, Len, I need a vegetable cutter to help "chop-cut" the product when the preparation (drying, freezing) and the season of "hunting" for vegetables is coming!
And I take a small combine to rub it on a salad. For the hand is sick (yes you know) and the problem is to hold a knife.
But I have no * special * requirements for the size of the pieces and their thickness.
Just to cut the aggregate, and did not chew... And that's all.
And I'm happy with the plastic Alligator. Highly. In the end, I liked the device.
fffuntic
Not .. I'm still that mischievous, but in comparison with my homemade ones, so I am problem-free. Serve carrot salad very finely and so juicy and juicy.
Cooked vegetables can't stand floating in their juice. Berner satisfies all the esthete's requests, but I will not use him. From an electrician, only Bosch suits me with a cutting plan from what I tried, although, of course, he is far from the Berner.

According to my claims, only hand-cut burners (and to replace some mandolins) are good. But I use an electrician, keeping my claims out of the way

Crown
Quote: mamusi
Girls, honestly, when I even look at Berner's photo, or see him on Ozone, I have frost on my skin and cramps in my fingers begin!
And my fingers immediately begin myrrh bleed.
leostrog
I’m not talking about that. It is clear that everyone has different priorities. I mean. so far, for today email. cutlery cannot cut as neatly and beautifully as mechanical cuttings.
fffuntic
Well, now electricians praise the bulette and ninja. They came closest to mechanics, sort of. At least a bullet. If there are more disks, maybe they will compete when

In general, for success, I suppose you need two components: very sharp graters and a smooth speed control, starting from a very low one for soft vegetables.For the complete ideal, make the vegetable neck-receiver larger with a composite pusher.
Why manufacturers do not want to attend to this question point blank, covered in darkness

They even sneeze when asked for cubes.
mamusi
Quote: fffuntic
so juicy, juicy.

Lenus, girls, and this year I got out of the situation with Olivier, combining two Alligator plastic grilles.
I cut eggs, cucumber, onions on small ones, and potatoes on large ones. It turned out cool! Eventually!
Svetlenki
Quote: fffuntic
Well, now electricians praise the bulette and ninja.

fffuntic, Lenaso u leostrog, there is a bullet. And she, from the height of her experience, says that the result is better with a manual mandolin.

As for aesthetics, each hostess has her own approach and standards. I still will not forget how my grandmother, after I cut my first or second Olivier, said reproachfully that there were no pigs here.

I love Berner dearly. So far I have not cut anything. But I know that the device is dangerous, like any sharp knife, in principle
leostrog
Here, Sveta, you understand. what I meant. When you need an amount (for example, cut a lot of carrots for frying or a head of cabbage for a hodgepodge) - then yes, you can do it with an electric appliance. But for the eggplant sauté. or . just like today, in meat bread - there is already "handmade".
mamusi
Quote: Svetlenki
about aesthetics - each housewife has her own approach and standards. I still will not forget how my grandmother, after I cut my first or second Olivier, said reproachfully that there were no pigs here.
Sveta, is that a hint at me?)
Yeah.
But your grandmother must have cut it by hand. And can be cut neatly with a knife.
Svetlenki
mamusi, Rit, this isn't a hint at all. This is the answer to yours

Quote: mamusi
Aesthetes!
Quote: mamusi
And can be cut neatly with a knife.

It is possible, only it is painfully long. Berner and the alligator are faster. Therefore, in fact, we are here and gathered
Kassandra26
Good afternoon, I am interested in the Alligator, can you tell me there is a difference in the set of the plastic and steel alligator? What's the best?
Masha Ivanova
Kassandra26, of course have. And very large.
The plastic alligator has one insert. And you can still buy a second one. Then it will be 6 by 6 mm and 12 by 12 mm
There is a separately sold plastic Alligator 3 x 3 mm
The metal Alligator has 3 inserts. 3 by 3, 6 by 6, 12 by 12 mm You can purchase an insert 9 by 9 mm to it
fffuntic
both alligators have common grilles 3mm, 6mm, 12mm
but the fourth - 9 mm can be bought only for metal, in plastic this size is not.

Otherwise, they are functionally the same. The only question is personal preferences. In plastic, each size is represented by a separate unit, and in metal, all gratings are inserted into one frame, that is, it takes up less space. But plastic is light, and metal is heavier and louder at work.
But metal seems to be more practical, although I have no idea what to do with plastic to make it significant)))))
it is more convenient for someone to have a small grate in plastic separately for odorous substances, and keep it separately.

That is, plastic or metal are already parts, in fact, whatever you buy, there will not be much difference, EXCEPT the presence of a 9mm grille. If this size is relevant to you, then you need EXCLUSIVELY METAL.

When buying, you need to look at the package bundle. Plastic ones are sold both individually and in 3 sizes together.
The metal kit can have three main grilles: 3,6, 12
or 4th: 3, 6, 12 and 9.
Each grille for metal can be purchased separately, but how much more cost-effective separately or in a set must still be calculated.
Masha Ivanova
What's best is up to you. You need to know what size insert your family needs. For me, the insertion of 9 by 9 mm is very important. Neither in the salad nor in the vinaigrette I need vegetables larger than 9 by 9 mm
For my family, a 12 by 12 mm salad is unacceptable. Hence, I only need a metal Alligator.
But it is more expensive.
Think about it.




And 3 by 3 is still sold as a separate unit.
Kassandra26
Thanks for the answers, I'm thinking ..Do I really need 9 by 9, for cutting 3 by 3 I have a burner, and I want a dice for splits and a stew with soups.
fffuntic
Well, my personal opinion is. Now a bunch of electric ones with cubes, just for these notorious 8-9 mm, just what I DO NOT like, I want smaller)))
Therefore, if you desperately need 9 mm for me, it is better to take an electrician, and from an alligator - 6 mm plastic, there is no electric of this size. But cutting is easy and simple.
And girls use 3mm, but for me a very uncomfortable grille. The surface is small, it is necessary to press with force, and then not clean the fountain. For a salad, it is better to buy the same electric spiralizer, there will be 3 mm shavings, but more convenient. This 3mm is convenient only for garlic.
In all multi-cutters with Dis-Julienne, this 3 mm can be obtained with great comfort.
Therefore, I would save on a piece of iron-alligator. I would take 6 mm in plastic, and buy the rest in an electrician. Actually, this is how I use it, although there is a metal alligator bandura.
There is another 12 mm in both the piece of iron and in the plastic, but for some reason it is not in use. 9 mm is enough for all major needs in an electrician.




Only if you often eat fried potatoes in 9mm sticks, a 9mm grid will be irreplaceable, although I use 6mm for fried potatoes, I did not buy these 9mm ones))))
By the way, electric cutting mulks have cubes and sticks 9 mm each.
In other cases, I like to cut cubes on an electrician more, both 9 mm and 3 mm shavings are a trifle))))
Kassandra26
Thank you all, most likely I'll take 6 by 6, for now. I look here and there is a purchase in a separate topic, who has already taken it? A small kitchen space must be used economically.




How long have you been using an alligator? How are the knives still sharp?
fffuntic
You see, your way of using is very important. If you have a large family and cook often, then eating by hand is not pleasant. Better to look towards the electrician. After all, it is convenient to have a bowl of ready-made cubes without effort.
Girls love to make a 3 mm radish salad. But also these three mm are obtained in a bowl in a minute in an electric cutter on a julienne, than to put one radish on an alligator grate or to plan in a burner.
Then only 6 mm is an irreplaceable grille. For onions, for small neat cubes.

And if you need two carrots for two people, but in the country without electricity, then he took a metal alligator with 4 bars under his arm and is armed for all occasions. Angry and will not break, you can inherit later.

On an alligator, cubes are obtained very quickly. The alligator is a priori very good and sharp. Although I still like the status. The status design is liked more by the alligator so far. If I didn't have an alligator, I would have chosen status.




Better than an alligator, sharper and better quality, there is nothing yet. Choice of grates, time-tested sharpness of knives.
If you want to save money - then the status. There is a choice of gratings: 6mm and 12mm in the domestic market. I like the control of the status more, the assembly, the fastening of the container - in general, this toy is closer to me, for many years I had the same Chinese version and really liked it, but the surface of the grilles is smaller than that of the alligator, and the durability of the knives is still being checked - the status is recent appeared.
Kassandra26
Thank you :) there is something to think about, and to convince my husband to a new vegetable cutter)
leostrog
Tell me, where do they buy an Alligator with a small one. cubes?
On Amazon, I found only such

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Mine has already become a "pensioner". and sometimes you want to show off and cut the apples into beautiful cubes (and I cut the vinaigrette only for them).
Kassandra26
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...=469016.new;topicseen#new
This is how I understand the purchase, and the prices are lower than in the store, as I decide I will order here
Svetlenki
Quote: leostrog
Tell me, where do they buy an Alligator with a small one. cubes?

leostrog, on the European Amazons there is a newer version. Although, maybe for the USA the manufacturer made a completely white device. In general, refer to the German and English Amazon under the spoiler

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Enter "Alligator Chopper" into your search if you want to search elsewhere.
fffuntic
leostrog, and what happened to him "retired"?

ps. it is necessary to wait for Svetika-Svetlenki, she always finds everything in the bins of the Amazon, which others do not see

I only remembered about you, and you are already here
leostrog
Sveta, thank you.
I saw it in German, but their delivery to us is "unfriendly" (almost 20 euros).
And the American one has the same. but shipping is cheaper ..
They just wrote here about the Alligator with inserts of different sizes. so I decided to look.
I already have it very old - after all, I've been using it for 10 years. It is necessary to press with force, apparently, the knives are dull.
Svetlenki
Quote: leostrog
It is necessary to press with force, apparently, the knives are dull.

I completely believe you, because I tried to cut onions in the same way when visiting my friend. The lid just curved and didn't cut through anything. I was afraid to press further so as not to break.

The knives could be dull, yes. We don't sharpen them. I suppose that they need to be changed as they become dull. They are sold separately (at least for metal)

By the way, I got a reply two days later at my request from the electronic site alligators.se. They promised to send elastic bands on the sides and legs.
leostrog
Where is this metal? I didn't find much on eBay and it doesn't say that it's an Alligator, and I don't want to buy a Chinese rag.
Svetlenki
Quote: leostrog
Where is this metal?

In the same place, on Amazons and Ibeyes ... Search for "allgator chopper stainless steel". The only thing, if my memory serves me, you have some joint pain, am I right? There you still need to press hard on the lid with an effort ... can you?

Links under the spoiler

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leostrog
Yeah thanks. Looks impressive :))
D, you. joints hurt. But I only cut the vinaigrette and sometimes apples with the Alligator. so the apples are preliminarily cut into slices.
Helen
Quote: Svetlenki
white instrument
Sveta, I also thought that the white ones are old issues .. but it turns out not! I was in the office for the purchase of alligators, and they have a white one in the window, I tell them ... and they say that the information is not correct, the delivery of goods does not coincide once at a time ... sometimes with a green base, sometimes with a white base come ...





Quote: Svetlenki
elastic bands on the sides
And I was a specialist, I removed them ... to make it easier to chick ...
fffuntic
So do I. The first thing I did Although these rubbers serve as guides and prevent the pressure from skewing on the cutting part in case of uneven loading. In general, our movements are not entirely reasonable, but I also don’t want to wear rubber bands. They get in the way and that's it.
Svetlenki
Quote: Helen
Sveta, I also thought that the white ones are old issues .. but it turns out not!

Very interesting. Wow ... Lena, and on occasion you cannot ask them so unobtrusively, do they have production in general in which country or countries? The quality is better / worse ... They hardly say, but I wonder ...

Quote: Helen
And I was a specialist, I removed them ... to make it easier to chick ...

Helen, Len, I was afraid. God forbid anyone's finger gets in. So the rubber bands will somehow soften the blow.

ABOUT! I forgot I wanted to warn you. Metal alligators, if not thoroughly dried / wiped dry, can rust in the area of ​​the knife frame attachment in the top cover. I saw and held such a copy in my hands. So be careful about this.

Well, don't let the children even look at the lattice knives. My little girl looked yesterday Thought my husband would kill me and would do the right thing
Helen
Quote: Svetlenki
ask them so unobtrusively, do they have production in general in which country or countries? The quality is better / worse ... They hardly say, but I wonder ...
I'll ask ... and here is a photo from the window
Different vegetable cutters (Nayser Diser, Alligator, etc.)
Kassandra26
How long is the Alligator?




What about the dekok vegetable cutter?
Katerok87
Quote: fffuntic
I would take 6 mm in plastic, and buy the rest in an electrician. Actually, this is how I use it,
fffuntic, Lena, what kind of electrician do you have for the cubes?
fffuntic
I have a Bosch-Malipuska Bosch MSM 881X2, two gratings of 9 mm and 12 mm, there are no julienne inserts, it is replaced by a grater, it also gives practically pieces.
Everyone would be good, I’ve already crucified here before)), but you cannot wash the lid on him, that is, we’re trying to handle meat. Therefore, I cannot recklessly recommend it to everyone. I swear at him enough and use tambourine dances to keep it clean.
An expensive toy, taking into account the fact that I bought a couple of discs separately, are not included in the package.
I really like how it rubs and grinds. I really like the functionality of the Bosch. If not for the lid, then I would be happy with everything.

I wanted cubes in a small unit and at the time of the gift there was less choice than now.
Also, cubes are now in combines, that is, multi-station machines.

But you need to decide how bulky you want the unit. Rubbing into a bowl or dish.
Katerok87
Quote: fffuntic
But you need to decide how bulky you want the unit. Rubbing into a bowl or dish.
I have three options

1) a meat grinder and a nozzle cubes to it, for onions a manual cube cutter
2) Bosch msm 68880 buy only because of cubes from hands plus manual cube cutter
And 3) a variant of a meat grinder with a cube cutter, for manual onions and a cube cutter for a combine


And which one to choose until I decide ...
Kassandra26
And the alligator normally cuts sausages or smoked meat, for the same hodgepodge, for example. Are the knives dull?
fffuntic
no ... well, there is a grid, pressure on such solid and viscous products, such as viscous cheese or salts, is very much needed. The alligator is not for these purposes. They need to cut hard, but still "fragile" products. Smoked meat is too "fragile". Soft boiled sausage - no problem. Very hard carrots with beets - no problem.
Vyazsky cheese, salted, smoked, smoked meat, if it is so streaked, "viscous", "rubber" - will not take. You just won't push through the bars.
Kassandra26
Thank you all :) decided to take an alligator 6 by 6, and 12 by 12, simple. It remains to save up and please yourself in March for others)
fffuntic
aha .. I was mistaken, in the mulk malipuske there was a difference in size between the bars and cubes, something less, but something more. Only I cannot find this detail in our general topics. There was something attractive there.

Kassandra26, deco, nyser and others differ from the alligator in the edge of the knives and strength. The decok is very solidly made so that it breaks, I have not met, but the knives are far from the alligator, as well as the status, so cutting is physically harder. And this is important if you are lazy or have a sore back. The pressure will be harder. For example, on which string of bow you have to jump on it with your whole body
Alligator is more fun in the kitchen. Although I used the Chinese stupid neiser before the alligator, I was happy because I did not know that it could be otherwise. I jumped on it and everything was fine. But she hung and jumped thoroughly
Imagine a structure: this is a metal mesh, which you physically press on the product.
Well, again, the sizes of the gratings are different.






Katerok87, well, you are considering very different options.
1. MSM for the sake of cubes? a huge toy, cut into a bowl, which is inconvenient if you need a lot and nothing else is needed from the combine.
2. Meat grinder with cubes, depending on which one. The mules have very specific cube attachments. They are very different from cubes in other units.

Still, it would be better if you indicated what exactly you are interested in. Don't you have a meat grinder?
Kassandra26
I just want to buy a vegetable cutter and no longer look for or change) berner, alligator is a good tandem. And on the kitchen combine, different workpieces are already made in large volumes.
fffuntic
if you want with pens, then you have correctly written: alligator + berner = for all occasions. Better not to come up with. Berner actually overlaps an alligator, but you have to keep your ear on it, grab hold of the holders and wear gloves, be careful. And the cubes on the alligator can be planed both tired and inattentive. Less dangerous thing.




for every day there is a temka for inexpensive electric felts, such as leben. Have you seen?
I am choosing a small grating combine # 600
Kassandra26
I did not see it, thanks for prompting. I read it, I have a Berner trend, the cubes are still not very convenient to make, a year ago I bought it very happy, although I need to get used to it.

Did anyone use a garlic chopper from status?
Katerok87
Quote: fffuntic
Still, it would be better if you indicated what exactly you are still interested in. Don't you have a meat grinder?
Lena, wrote here
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...022.0
arini
Girls, did I understand correctly that the owners of the Nayser Dicer mainly use graters in it, but are not happy with the cutters? Do you know anything about the Nice Diser Chef? Mom has seen enough ads and wants a unit for dicing salads and fries. I don’t know which device will pull these two functions, so that you don’t chop the potatoes “on your feet”, and you do not get porridge from boiled vegetables. Any advice?

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