fffuntic
madames, Elena.

So right away so. Bosch, except for the large size of the unit, is similar to all of you recommended for the neck. Bosch has it all !!! types of cutting that are available in other vegetable cutters, except for straws from the mulinex multi-cutter. This one has straws + cubes. Bosch gives the same cubes. There are no straws - which is not entirely essential. Make friends with Bosch, and I highly recommend finding this harvester and assembling a vegetable cutter once.
From memory, you greatly exaggerate the complexity of the assembly. There for one or two. The only bad thing is that the combine itself takes up a lot of space. This is where the disadvantages end. You will wonder why you were so afraid. Bosch has excellent knives and, accordingly, excellent cutting quality.
Hands free, you will use low speed for boiled, fast for raw.
Try to make friends - well, a really good harvester. If you are too lazy to unscrew the bowl for emptying, you can lay the foil like a plate and take it out immediately in the foil.
Everything in it can be solved like in other units. The only thing is that an imitation of a Korean carrot may not be particularly impressive, and then you will still have to take another spiralizer.
The imitation is done on a medium grater (you can also use a julienne - but the difference is quite small, and you always have to buy julienne), it is not always included, and the carrots are placed horizontally, not vertically, so long sticks are obtained.

If absolutely bad with the place and nothing !!! do not make friends with Bosch, then go to Malipuski. I must say right away that the only advantage is small size. Everything else is the same: the neck is small, the cabbage must be prepared, the carrot on the bosha is also rubbed, only the slicing is neater)))
There are three types on the agenda.
1. Moulinex - multi-cutter with cubes and straws. cubes size 9.5mm * 9.5mm
pieces of 7mm * 62mm. There are no clones. There is no square cut à la julienne, meaning there is nothing to mimic Korean carrots. Large enough. In cleaning-assembly, the average for Malipuski.
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=519070.msg%25msg_id%25
here are examples of cutting on the page
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=19022.460
and many, many photos can be viewed by looking for reviews here
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2. Multi-cutter a la Philips HR1388 / 50. There are plenty of clones. You have already looked at one))). No cubes and large straws. But there is a julienne and a disc for French fries, there such large ones are cut into pieces. Waste is the most. Maintenance and assembly is easier than multi-cutter mulinex. The size is smaller.
Look in Yandex for reviews on it at the link. There you can see the cutting and discs in detail.
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3. Vegetable cutter Moulinex. There are plenty of clones, but not all of them are good in quality. This is the slowest, but easiest to assemble and clean. The smallest, slowest and least productive, cutting is the simplest and the most coarse, not for blanks, but for a family of 2-3 people for every day. The only advantage is in the assembly and ease of use, but this is also important.
Someone makes a bow from girls on cubes, squares are obtained. How much smell is in the process - you have to ask.
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=147103.0
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Generally, if you not if you want to be friends with Bosch, then the optimum is a multi-cutter-mulinex with cubes and straws, although it is the largest. The rest is less functional.
For Korean carrots, still fork out for a spiralizer - this is the best imitation, it is also suitable for zucchini and other salads. Take an inexpensive electric vertical - you will have high-speed Korean carrots-beets))).
Cabbage is the hardest part. Either in a narrow neck, or a horizontal spiralizer is the only unit that allows large vegetables to simply be planted. Or a classic hand shredder + kevlar gloves.
Onions are also more difficult. When rubbing on any unit, you get a smell, while you scrape it out of a bowl or put it in a dish, you get a smell. I have not found a better neiser unit in this regard for a bow. As I wrote, the salvation is to use cold water to soak the onions, cut the onions and a closed container when slicing.

Well, there is no way you can advise one unit. The cheapest is to use your Bosch to its fullest. It covers 90 percent of the problems.
Only if cutting Korean carrots does not suit you at all, then look in the direction of any spiralizer.
If the cabbage is not at all satisfied, the spiralizer is horizontal. You won't cut yourself on spirolezers, this is their advantage over graters.
Yes. More. These models are bought by a bunch of people and are used. Therefore, the disadvantages in the reviews can be taken into account, but nothing more. Now only the bullet claims to be ideal, but it has just appeared, it is expensive, it is difficult to buy.
The rest have their own advantages and disadvantages. Something you will definitely not like - they are not perfect. But these are working units that have been in operation for several years. Yes, they are not production. If you press hard, hit, overload, and so on, they will break. This shouldn't scare you. There are many stupid comments on YouTube and on the market.



Larissa, I got tired of retraining from "SpirOlizer" to "SpAlizer", that's what my sexnot : D is a literate little soul attached to this letter O?
Just for you I overextend myself
madames
Lena, thank you for your desire to help. I don't know the new technique well, because I don't hang out anywhere, and I thought that I didn't need anything in my old age. And now I shook myself, I think we need to continue to live and be interested in something. I will find Bosch when I get home from another region on December 10th. And now I will think about how to make carrots in Korean, because I make this dish 1-2 times a week. And now my neighbor does it manually, because I can't do anything myself, I go to dressings with my hand \ working \. And for some reason I bought a Berner fruit holder today. I will look at some thread spiralizers.
fffuntic
Elena,
Convenience in the kitchen is a great thing.

I would still buy a vertical electric spiralizer, inexpensively, I would track it on Avito or for discounts in stores. Here in September, Moulinex was sold for 1,500 rubles, the travolta at a discount was for a thousand, there was an inexpensive branded tape in the tape, maybe it is still there. It is necessary in the topic of spiralizers to ask the girls to notify if they see a discount where.
I think if you set a goal, you can find it inexpensively. Follow the ozone and then follow the topics. There are always discounts before the holidays. Spiralizer and with Bosch will fit
Since the hand is sore, an electrician is better.
There are spiralizers here. There you can also see recipes with slicing. Since salads are relevant, then you can still make zucchini.
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=379268.0
Girls often make not only Korean carrots, but also beets. Do not rub it with your hands.

And then, after December 10, on the fact of friendship or not friendship with Bosch, you can further figure out whether something else is needed.


an_domini
About shredding cabbage:

The easiest one is the slicer, on which the sausage is cut. The thickness and length of the chopped cabbage is whatever you want. Fast and easy.
On Boch, cabbage is still obtained in short pieces, and it is also necessary to prepare it so that it can fit into the neck.
I have a Bosch 64085, all the time at work, an irreplaceable assistant. But I cut the cabbage on a slicer. A large head of cabbage takes a minute, to prepare it - cut into 4 parts and cut out the stump.
Zeamays
Quote: madames
I will find Bosch when I get home
madames, Elena, your Bosch has another valuable quality that other combines do not have - a wiping sieve, which is very simple to work, assemble and maintain.
madames
Girls! Thank you very much from the bottom of my heart for helping and giving invaluable recommendations, even the mood rises. I'll look at everything and go to Temki. I don't know anything especially about spiralizers, so long as there is not a lot of energy to spend when rotating.
fffuntic
madames, Elena
in addition, spiralizers may have one more ambush on the Korean carrot-beet: the thickness of the spiral. The average value, which is most often found at least 3 mm, and some need 2 mm. Here is Bella - the only horizontal electrospiralizer, now you can buy it at a flea market, it would seem the most ideal for a left-hander, but in my opinion there is no 2 mm. So the question is, which carrot do you like? If it is plump, then this is your unit, if you need thinner, you have to look further.
OlgaGera
Quote: an_domini
light is a slicer on which sausage is cut
for the RIGHT she is. For left-handed people, finally, you don't need a device and you can't adapt to it. Not not ... only for right-handers
an_domini
It is unclear about left-handers. I myself am left-handed, it does not bother me in any way. This is not some kind of jewelry tool or even a simple needle. I can't sew with my right hand or cut with scissors, but you can drive a quarter of a head of cabbage back and forth with either hand. Try it, it will work!
Lerele
Quote: madames
The left hand, working, does not hold the grater well, sometimes unclenches itself. I'm afraid. Bosch, of course, gave up a long time ago.
Since your hands hurt, and you need a Korean twist, plus a left-hander, then Phillips will be the most it, what's the difference with which hand to insert the vegetable

Electric vegetable cutter # 664
fffuntic
Lerele, Elena already has a Bosch, there you can make the same imitation, and even choose a thinner-thicker one.
But the spiralizer is still different. There are long spirals, which is closer to the Korean one. There you can spiral zucchini. The only thing, I’ll go and ask in that topic, what spirals there on different units can be obtained in thickness.
madames
Girls! I really love Korean carrots + beets. 2.5 is there? and I really like red cabbage for salad. And it also needs to be thinly cut because this cabbage is very tough. Only a device for these purposes, the soul asks. I don't want anything else yet.
Masha Ivanova
madames, Elena! For grated cabbage salad Giant! Only about right-handed-left-handed people, I don't know how.
Lerele
fffuntic, you know, a spiralizer is for those who have all kinds of vegetable cutters like grandfather's shoe polish, and who have nothing, even if this Bosch is, but it's big and there is nowhere to put it, then a small cutter is needed for everything. Bullet is expensive, but phillips are ok for the price and easier to buy. Cuts everything, even cabbage.
With sore hands, this is important. It takes up little space, you can plan directly into the pan, which is convenient. And zucchini can be grated on a julienne grater, also good for salads.
I think you can find it even cheaper on Avito than in stores.
I myself also looked at him, but then a spiral boom began. Time has passed, a bullet has appeared, now I'm rushing about, I don't need to, or rather I have everything, Bosch, Siemens, Moulinex, a simple and four-sided Berner, and an alligator, and even a giant.
fffuntic
I agree, you don’t need to hold the button for Phillips, it’s important with your left hand. Phillips have a size suitable for rubbing. You can also find a clone, full of them.
Elena, have you seen what the imitation looks like? so far this is really the most suitable unit among simple electric cutters.

madames
Girls! Which Phillips would you like to look at? they equally have julienne and cabbage is fine? and what is imitation? I'll write it down and go on an Internet. So?
Lerele
madames, 🔗
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Mirabel
Elena S, from the very beginning you wanted a cutter and showed everyone for discussion, that it was definitely Philips,




Quote: madames
Who has Zigmund & Shtain SM-21 multi-cutter? found nothing on her. Thank you.





and in the same place I advised you to Phillips and now they have already come together to this opinion





Quote: Mirabel
Elena S, in my opinion she is like a Phillips salad maker And you don't want to buy it?
There are many owners here, including me
He's not one hundred percent, but very good for himself
fffuntic
there is a link to a photo of imitation in filipka and its clones
Quote: Lerele

Since your hands hurt, and you need a Korean twist, plus a left-hander, then Phillips will be the most it, what's the difference with which hand to insert the vegetable

Electric vegetable cutter # 664
madames
Girls! I have no graters, nothing new, so I myself did not know what I needed. on HP has not been for a long time. And with such powerful support and info, it's always easier. Great friends here. Thank you.
fffuntic
well girls, but I still lean more towards Bella. The real spirals there. No imitation and preparation of vegetables.
If nothing else, I would fork out for two small units. I would take a squirrel and look for a cheaper mullet with straw cubes. Then there would be a complete set.
Squirrel is cabbage + spirals without any enclosure. And let the mulka process the leftovers and rub it on the soup. An electrician is needed for a sore hand.

nothing special, except for the grater julienne is not in the filipka. Mulka is more functional if there are spirals too. And if friendship with Bosch succeeds, then only Bella is special. When you are friends with Bosch, both filipok and mulka are superfluous.
Lerele
fffuntic, for mulinex you have to press the button with your hand, for phillips it is not.
As for me, a vegetable cutter is still more important than a spiralizer. Moreover, there is a julienne grater, albeit not such long spirals.
And then cut the potatoes, and cabbage, and plates.
Svetlenki
Quote: fffuntic
but I still lean more towards Bella. The real spirals there. No imitation and preparation of vegetables.

I have a big question about red cabbage ... It was on Bella ... I couldn't stand it and ... I ordered a plane for red cabbage. I love her, and often I don’t do it because I don’t like to mess with her - then my hands fall off. And on the spiralizer it is too long for us
madames
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fffuntic
Elena S, I also talked about such a nice. They are full of this type. You can take it inexpensively and will do for a bow. The only thing is that these are all very fragile versions. Alas, only the expensive alligator among them is of high quality and normally sharp. When buying, take a good look and touch. The knives must fit very tightly without the slightest backlash, otherwise very much !!! will fly out quickly. And you can't put in large pieces. But with a careful attitude, you will have an assistant.
But keep in mind that this is not for a sore hand. It is necessary to press with effort if the vegetables are not boiled. Among these cheap hard workers need to look for a long time. For boiled ones, they still did not go anywhere, but for raw ones you can find them, but in any case, efforts will be required when pressing.

Sveta, but does not roll on an ordinary vegetable cutter? like filipka?
Svetlenki
Quote: fffuntic
and does not roll on a regular vegetable cutter? like filipka?

Nope. This is not for me. There are many reasons:

1. Takes up a lot of space
2. To spend electricity on his work and water on his washing (communal apartments are expensive in Europe)
3. Fit the cabbage under the neck. Even cutting red cabbage with a knife is not easy for me
4. Duplicates Magimix
madames
I’m a crane now. I haven't done cabbage for a long time. very tough. but subtly does not quite work out. my husband refuses to eat such a salad. but delicious ...
OgneLo
Quote: Svetlenki
for red cabbage planer
or 1.2mm on a flip, or chop 1mm on a boshe
on Magimix it will be 2mm ...
Svetlenki
Quote: OgneLo
or 1.2mm on a flip, or chop 1mm on a boshe

for this, it must be cut into segments, and

Quote: Svetlenki
Even cutting red cabbage with a knife is not easy for me
OgneLo
Quote: Svetlenki
it is not easy to cut with a knife
use a normal sharp knife
and, the option is always available "to disassemble into leaves, twist cigars from them, feed cigars to an electric device"
madames
yes .. imperfect appliances. this is where you have to hang out and absorb ingenious ideas, kitchen device design engineers.
fffuntic
I don't mention the slicer because I don't like it. Long stray and almost tame for me. Just like an electric knife.
But for the sake of objectivity, for cabbage, probably the most suitable after the horizontal spiralizer.
There, cabbage of any thickness and hardness can be cut without effort, just not quickly.

You can buy it cheaply, especially on Avito. We need the simplest one. Place, of course, takes, although it can be foldable. For hard cabbage with the thinnest slicing - probably the coolest pribluda.
The giant still comes to mind. But I have not tried it on red. There is a thin rub

OlgaGera
Quote: OgneLo
normal sharp knife
I have a scalpel. Under its own weight, it cuts dried sausage.
But the red one is difficult to cut. She is stone in herself
fffuntic
Lelka, you mean the electric slicer will not pull red cabbage? She takes cheese + hard sausage just like that. But the giant .. even go for the cabbage for a test !!! She is not in my honor. I have never tried to cut it anywhere.
OgneLo
Quote: fffuntic
can be cut
but not with a poorly working hand ... I used to cut loaves of brown bread into croutons into 10 × 10 × 10mm cubes on a slicer ...
and a slicer, also under the right hand ...
Quote: OlgaGera
scalpel
not designed for cabbage, it does not have the same structure as muscle and fascial fibers ...
OlgaGera
Quote: fffuntic
the electric slicer won't pull red cabbage?
no, I'm talking about a sharp knife)))
The slicer is strictly for right-handed people. And yes, it will.
Quote: OgneLo
not designed for cabbage
for sausage too)))))
Svetlenki
Quote: fffuntic
But the giant .. even go for the cabbage for a test !!!

You can wait - I'll be back soon with the result. I bought it specially for it.
fffuntic
here are the clones of Philips HR1388
Zigmund & Shtain SM-20 and
Oursson MS2060 / GA
Zeamays
I'll put a couple of photos for a change.
Today I rubbed it on a salad and captured it for our temka.
This is on PHILIPS HR 7605/10.
I don't have a julienne grater, I chopped it on a regular grater from the kit, it's called average.
A carrot and an apple, if you don't find fault, are quite straws.

Electric vegetable cutterElectric vegetable cutter
OgneLo
Quote: OlgaGera
sausage
these are muscle fibers
cabbage is completely different ...
OlgaGera
Quote: fffuntic
Zigmund & Shtain SM-20
very nice graters.
Orson is poorer.
OgneLo
Quote: Zeamays
7605
1388 has the same graters + julienne + second size of slices + disc for fries
Quote: OlgaGera
Orson is poorer
all the same:
OlgaGera
Quote: OgneLo
all the same:
then for Orson))))
OgneLo
Quote: fffuntic
here are the clones
all differences are described 5 pages ago
Quote: Duhka li
and shouldn't I buy something similar, but with a smooth pusher
perhaps, and most likely it is so, a whole pusher from any of the repeaters will do and, it will be enough to buy only it ... but you need to try it on ...
Quote: stalena
and how to chop onions on Phillips
just like other vegetables, it is best to use both slicer attachments, a julienne and a disc for French fries or on a cube cutter with any "cubes" grates
Quote: anna_k
and how to chop onions on a phillips? Jamie Oliver showed the way, but I didn't remember.
I’m probably talking about this video:


I don’t cut the bulbs
Quote: Elvira75
Phillips -1388? Can he handle 7-10 kg of fresh vegetables at a time?
cope
Nathalte
Why have I never cut onions on Julienne
Ideal. In general, my favorite grater, I love to freeze carrots on it: clean, dry, beautiful.




And by the way, I usually freeze 12 kg of carrots at a time, respectively, I clean everything and rub everything at once. Filya copes calmly.
Lerele
Zeamays, looked, cool grater, have not seen before.
Small, and there is a knife, if anything, and rubs wow.
OgneLo
Quote: Nathalte
why i never
it happens...
and I usually don’t cut, somehow I don’t need to ... and replacing the insert is a matter of seconds ... True, I have a 1669 cube cutter with all the inserts ...
Quote: Lerele
and rubs wow like that
rubs in the same way as HR1388, and HR2831 / 00, HR2831 / 60, HR2833 / 00, HR2833 / 09, HR2833 / 60, HR7600, HR7638 / K, HR7735 / 80, HR7739 / 55, HR7740 / 55, HR7740 / 56 , HR7743 / 01, HR7744 / 55, HR7744 / 56, HR7745 / 55, HR7745 / 80, HR7746 / 01, HR7750, HR7753, HR7754, HR7756 / 01, HR7764, HR7765, HR7768, HR7770 ...
on the same inserts ...

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Philips Food Processor Julienne Insert 420303554631 (2.8mm straw)
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Philips Food Processor Grater Insert 420306561560 (medium grater 2mm)
Philips Food Processor Knife 420306561550 (fine grater 1mm)
Philips Food Processor Grater Insert 420306561530 (Fine Shredder 1.2m)
Philips Food Processor Grater Insert 420306561540 (Coarse Shredder 2.4mm)

fffuntic
Throw your slippers, but if you also cut the onion, then I will cut it all at once and cut it with the same success. Not impressed with the bow, that's not at all. I like Niser better. And the carrot for the soup on the julienne for the soup is too big for me, I like the usual grater more. I couldn't adapt this julienne anywhere. In general, I am not thrilled with filipka.
So, do not want the smell and tears from the onion - the nice is driving (for me). And the Korean cut on the spiralizer is much more impressive. Of course, if there is nothing, then the filipoks are king.
Lerele
Quote: OgneLo
HR2831 / 00, HR2831 / 60, .......

Did you write that to me ?? I don’t need so much, and indeed I don’t need it, if anything, I suffer from the bullet, but by and large, as unnecessary, while there is no response
Song
Quote: fffuntic
So, do not want the smell and tears from the onion - the nice is driving (for me). And the Korean cut on the spiralizer is much more impressive. Of course, if there is nothing, then the filipoks are king.
Oh how?
I have a lot of things ... I use something more, something less. I respect Filipka. Nimble.
But for a long time I have not taken the Nice into my hands.

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