And again, 1001 times about the flour of choice !!! For owners of ovens Moulinex 5004 and Panas 255

Peace be with you bakers!
and I only had a smell on the first bake

maybe something is about tenov somewhere

Can you please tell me where are the prices for the stoves?

If in Moscow, then in online stores.

I have a Mulya 5004 for about 2 years, the flight is normal.
There were minor problems with the oil seal (he broke it himself) and so the machine is good if you take care of it. I advise you not to cook jam in it and a lot of sweets, as sugar gets into the gland and can jam.
When choosing a stove, pay attention to the quality of the plastic, the stickers should not be peeled off with your finger, etc. In short, it can be seen immediately whether it is fake or not.

02.27.09. I became the owner of CD 255, I am 100% satisfied with the stove, this is a wonderful machine. But some time ago, there was a breakdown and as the family got used to eating homemade bread, we could not stand it and bought OW5004 was tempted by the opportunity to bake baguettes.

Now I have 2 stoves and I would like to share my impressions of using both of them (my first stove was 255, they were safely repaired and returned).
I liked the design of both, 255 is slightly taller, 5004 is longer, but both are quite compact. As for the quality of the plastic, although I'm not an expert, but in my opinion 255 is a little better, but these are not significant trifles.
5004 has 2 mixers and a large bucket, naturally the size of a loaf of bread and its weight is larger. At 255 maximum 600 g., In 5004 minimum 750 g.
5004 works much noisier, but the viewing window allows you to follow the bun, and it was interesting for the child and husband to see, the conclusion, the window is the GUD.
A measuring cup in 255 is more convenient, since each division is 20 ml., In 5004 it is 50 ml., You must agree, measure out 175 ml, it is more convenient in 255, but again this is my personal opinion
The quality of the baking, in both ovens the bread turned out the first time, the crust is excellent in both, it tastes ... This again, my opinion is 255 bread is more airy, although the family appreciated both of them at 5+.
Back at 255, it takes 4 hours to bake bread, and at 5004 it takes 3 hours.
At 255, the stirrer remains in a bucket of 5004 hooks to remove the stirrers from the bread, but this is not a big inconvenience.

Both make the dough perfectly, I made yeast dough for meat pies.

Yesterday I baked baguettes, it turned out gorgeous, before that I baked in the oven (I have a gas one), it turned out delicious, but not gorgeous. The husband and child are delighted.
They are made, elementary, that their 4 things are absolutely not scary, the fresher the baguettes, the tastier they are !!

A few more words about the instructions and the recipe book, at 255 both are much better.

Conclusion, now that I have 2 bread machines, I am doubly satisfied.

A year ago, I was crazy about the question, which one to choose? Now I know for sure, they are both good. Everyone must decide for himself what size bread he needs, whether he needs baguettes, but otherwise they are almost the same.

Perhaps my "treatise" will help those suffering from a choice to make this very choice, I wish you good luck.

[Agatha]

Agatha, congratulations on the addition
A very good comparison, but specify in the text, if possible, the following point: 600 and 750 g for Panasonic and Moulinex is not bread, but the maximum amount of flour in kneading and baking.

You are absolutely right, exactly the amount of flour for 255, maximum 600g. for 5004 at least 750g, thanks for noticing the inaccuracy.
Yes, now, I join the "keepers" of two bread machines.

Unfortunately my CD 255 broke down again (until February 27 it is under warranty), but after the second breakdown I no longer hope that it will become
work as before.
I don’t know, maybe I’m so unlucky, although before that I had never applied for repairs with any equipment, and I have a lot of them and good manufacturers, or I came across such a panasik.
Therefore, I will say, I am very glad that I bought 5004, because I can’t live without a bread machine and I began to think at my leisure, or maybe I was wrong with the choice, maybe I should have bought 5004 right away, these are my thoughts, but maybe this is from the frustration that the oven broke.

I want to write about the Panasonic service on M. "Minskaya", I have a "floating" breakdown, that is, it does not always happen. After the first renovation, a week later, it reappeared, but I filmed it. When we contacted, for the second time, with this breakdown, they accepted us with hostility, they said that the stove was working fine, they checked it completely and the breakdown does not exist, since it does not give out a breakdown CODE (and without a code, the master does not repair) , no one wanted to watch the video (although in the information center fi-we Panasonic, the operator, she said that I would definitely show this video). In short, we were sent to Japan to fix HP.
I don't know what service Mulinex has for HP (I repaired my electric meat grinder, of this company, after 5 years of continuous work - everything was done quickly and efficiently), but the Panasonic service disappointed me 100%. I took my HP, now stands in the kitchen, with a "sad" look.

But 5004, continues to delight me with excellent bread (by the way, the fact that she bakes one hour less only +), excellent baguettes and very good dough ... Ugh, ugh, ugh, so as not to jinx it.

Moulinex also has unleavened dough and the engine can handle it easily, but it's not about the severity. The impression is that the knife is not wide enough to interfere with such a number.

Agree. I tried it. Kneading with difficulty and the dough turns out to be not so elastic (I have Moulinex OW3000) By the way, my programs "Quick bread" are confused. Instead of kneading for 10 minutes and lifting for 20 minutes. , Mulya kneads for 20 minutes, and rise for only 10 minutes and begins to bake. What can you think of to fix this ?!