And again, 1001 times about the flour of choice !!! For owners of ovens Moulinex 5004 and Panas 255

Peace be with you bakers!
I have been driving her poor stove for more than a year - mom, do not cry
serves sweetheart - snaps but serves
I agree that the design of the bucket is incomplete, although I still have \ not to jinx it \ everything is fine though I bought a spare bucket just in case, and even the inscriptions were washed from the case to a hair dryer
but this, as they say, does not affect the speed! bread is always high, fluffy, tanned not only from the sides but also from the top

I, too, used to like kefir until I tried vodka

I mean that I ate like everything in the store and then tried it from x \ n
\ I don't even remember the manufacturer \ and I realized that now I only eat bread
home and when I bought 5004 I realized that the home will be from moulinex !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I completely agree with vasaby872008 not counting the taste of mulineshka bread in comparison with pastries from other x \ n
at our work, even a dispute over a case of beer was about comparing bread from
Of course, friendship won 4 different x \ n and the package of beer was drunk together by all the participants in the bet, but the guys honestly admitted that my bread \ it was agreed in advance about the proportions and the baking method \ it turned out to be tastier
so if my stove is covered, I'll take the same one, unless, of course, by this time something nice has appeared
and, unfortunately, not everyone can afford, if problems arise with x \ n, do not run around services do not swear with stores, but simply
go and buy a new one ......... sad!

I've been using Mulya for more than a year now, it's just that we have little choice of cotton (for some reason LD didn't like it right away, just like that), I have no pretensions to her, well, the stirrers are thundering, but I haven't heard others
I read with horror the bad reviews about Mulks, but mine works, and the inscriptions are erased, but there is a spare sticker

Indeed, the bread in Mula is always high, ruddy, the loaf is simply beautiful. It is a pity that for many, the stove quickly fails, I am afraid to even think about it.

That's it, the stove was delivered today! I baked quick bread, it worked! I'm glad! Only the stirrer remained inside the bread, picking out took some time. Hurrah! Thanks to everyone who left their feedback and helped me in the final choice.

[gerty]

gerty Happy shopping! The scapula remained in Panasonic I'm surprised if only rye

Hello, all bakers !!! I want to share my impressions of using both Mulka and Panasonic. True Mulka 3000, but what's the difference, there is only one manufacturer. I have had it since 28.02.09. never squeaked or "sneezed", but worked wonderfully well. Every day, or even 2 times a day. There are no complaints about the build quality, but a mixer is made of a cat for moms, this is YES. The bread sticks and a decent chunk remains on the mixer, at best a mixer in the bread. And manipulations begin to take out. I have been using Panas for only 2 days. Today I will put rye, see, compare. And at the expense of the white, I agree with the answer 70. Very much from Panas loaf-bread turns out to be airy.

I have PANASONIC SD-254 for 3 months! No complaints whatsoever! And to get a thicker crumb roll, you can use the BASIC - FAST BAKING mode.

That's it, the stove was delivered today! I baked quick bread, it worked! I'm glad! Only the stirrer remained inside the bread, picking out took some time.

Greetings gerty! Congratulations on your successful purchase! I have already baked about 100 different types of bread on Panasonic 254, and the stirrer has never remained inside the bread! Perhaps the bread is too dense, or rather the dough is dense.Measure your ingredients more carefully! Good luck! Yours faithfully

I've been using Panasonic for a week now. Really like. Easy to handle. The bread is beautiful and delicious. Baked with onions, garlic, poppy seeds. Yesterday with the addition of oatmeal. Awesome delicious! And the agitator doesn't get stuck. Made croissant dough, good too. I'm glad.

Soon the family will celebrate the anniversary of the purchase of HleboPanas 255! Over the entire period of operation, and I bake almost 6 days a week, not a single problem arose, the device works like a clock (as well as all the rest of my equipment from Panasonic).
The only thing that is bad is that the main blade is already heavily sawn off with a bread knife, so it more and more often remains in bread after being cut. But here, as they say, it's your own fault

[Loafs from "those times"]

I have PANASONIC SD-254 for 3 months! No complaints whatsoever! And to get a thicker crumb roll, you can use the BASIC - FAST BAKING mode.

Um, I’m denser on fast mode.

Better use the recipe https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...ption=com_smf&topic=998.0 "Loafs from "those times""

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Only the stirrer remained inside the bread, picking out took some time.
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In this case, the hot stirrer can be easily and conveniently removed with a thick metal crochet hook.

Hello! Such is the problem ....
I want to buy a baker, went shopping, I liked Moulinex OW5004 (OW5002) and Panasonic SD254. I went through the Internet everywhere conflicting reviews, I would like to know from users what is better to take?

Look at the forum there, this topic has been discussed from all sides

If you have a question like this, you'd better take Panasonic

Look at the forum there, this topic has been discussed from all sides

Yes, I read it .... But I still do not understand which one is better?

If you have a question like this, you'd better take Panasonic

How can you justify that?

Can
I had both
Panasonic is more reliable (according to general experience), and even at a glance, everything is done better in it, bread from it is not to say which is tastier, but ...
more polite, or something, in general, it's nice to pick up and serve on the table, it's not a shame
My mulechka was very afraid of drafts, but Panas doesn't care
Panasonic's top crust is better than Mouliane

Thanks a lot, Mueslik! And how does Panas Borodino bread bake normally? And from rye flour? And the fact that there is no window does not interfere?

The fact that there is no window bothers me personally
temperature equalization still interferes
But not enough not to appreciate the merits of this stove.
I don’t bake pure rye, they don’t eat mine, but fifty-fifty-it turns out great in Panasonic
Although I often bake it in the oven, well ... it tastes better from the oven

Mueslik, thanks again for the answer! And in more detail you can, what kind of "temperature equalization"?

[Amid3000]

Amid3000 , Panasonic evens out the temperature. e. kneading does not start immediately, but after some time
In different modes, this time differs, it is not very convenient to watch the kolobok
But you can get used to it, at first it was extraordinarily infuriating ... now I am already planning, sometimes I miss the beginning of the batch

did not find a relevant topic on the forum, so here:
I will sell moulinex ow5004, due to the transition to completely manual production of bread and baguettes. We will agree on the price

The best of the presented is Panas 255, but maybe Kenwood 450 is also not nearly worse. After Muli 5004 (large loaves of bread are super), I'm looking for something less expensive (in terms of not breaking). If anyone else is interested, Muli is having problems with shaft jamming! So DECIDE which one to choose from the list!

Before purchasing, I carefully studied the content of this site. However, the more I read messages on the form, the more I get lost ...
Was in the store today. I opted for the MOULINEX 5002, PANASONIK 255 and LG 155 models.
I CANNOT choose a stove because of the conflicting opinions of forum visitors.
I got the impression that Panasonic is better, and the crust is not baked in Moulinex.
Tell me what to choose from what I saw?
I just want to bake ordinary bread, to be able to delight my family with unusual bread with additives, muffins and jam.

The other day I bought myself a mulinex bread maker, the machine is super, just for a lazy person like me I immediately decided to try how this thing works, and began to experiment In indecision The first bread turned out to be terrible, as they say, the first pancake is lumpy !! the second is more or less better, well, I was upset, I thought that this was all, and I would not be able to use it. And today I decided to try my skill again, and that's what came out of it not bread, but just beauty, yummy is just lovely !! I am very glad that now I have such a super assistant at home !! Affectionately she called her Mula)) So now, my mule and I, we will not die of hunger. I share with you my joy .. This is what my bread turned out to be ..
🔗

Peace be with you bakers!
eddi36 with a start
and what was wrong with the first baking

The first bread didn't rise, the second one can be more or less eat, but the third one turned out super! Today I baked milk bread, according to a recipe from a book, it turned out cool.In general, I am very happy with this miracle of the stove, and how I did without it I don't even understand

Try the Kugelhof pie from the recipe book, you won't regret it. In our family it is called "Delicious bread". You can add only nuts or, like in the book, raisins and nuts. Only put the crust on low, otherwise you will fry the sides very well. strongly (at least I have it like that). Good luck in your endeavors! PS. And milk always comes out super!

Try the Kugelhof pie from the recipe book, you won't regret it. In our family it is called "Delicious bread". You can add only nuts or, like in a book, raisins and nuts. Just put the crust on low, otherwise you will fry the sides very well. strongly (at least I have it like that). Good luck in your endeavors! PS. And milk always comes out super!

Hello ! Just yesterday I tried to make the Kugelhof pie from the recipe book, but instead of raisins I added apricots)) and I got it very fried, as you described, now I'll know what I'm doing wrong! Thank you so much for writing to me! I’m here while doing experiments, I bought rye flour, and did as it is written on the forging, naturally, that I didn’t succeed well, they say, they learn from mistakes, I’ll try further. Thanks again!! Good luck to you!

Peace be with you bakers!
eddi36 do not waste products
climb the site - there are a lot of developments and do not get too hung up on that the recipe from another stove, they basically suit everyone
wheat turns out well the one in the instructions on page 6

And also try the beer "Fragrant", everything is simple in it, you just need to look when mixing, if the bun is not formed, then add wheat flour, only carefully, otherwise it will turn out a brick, its roof turns out a little flat, but this does not give taste suffer! You can also put on 1 program, practically no different from 9. Bread is also kneaded and suitable and baked! Good luck!

Peace be with you bakers!
eddi36 do not waste products
climb the site - there are a lot of developments and do not get too hung up on that the recipe from another stove, they basically suit everyone
wheat turns out well the one that is in the instructions on page 6

Hello Thanks for the advice I will try not to translate products well, sometimes I want to do something new I tried to bake wheat bread, though it turns out very well (y) the one in the instructions on page 6

And also try the beer "Fragrant", everything is simple in it, you just need to look when mixing, if the bun is not formed, then add wheat flour, only carefully, otherwise it will turn out a brick, its roof turns out a little flat, but this does not suffer! You can also put on 1 program, practically no different from 9. Bread is also kneaded and suitable and baked! Good luck!

Thank you for your advice, I'll definitely try to bake a beer, and then I'll write how I got it

Hello, tell me which HP works quieter - Moulinex 5004 or Panas 255 or Kenwood (the one with the program)?

And nowhere do I see the dimensions of Moulinex 5004.

How Kenwood works I will not say, but of the remaining two, Moulinex and Panasonic, definitely Panasonic.

Hello, tell me which HP works quieter - Moulinex 5004 or Panas 255 or Kenwood (the one with the program)?

From my point of view, Panas works almost silently. That is, in order to determine the beginning of the batch, I need to approach the stove and listen - it interferes or not.

peace be with you bread!
Bolshoi_IL ----- In order to determine the beginning of the batch, I need to approach the stove and listen - it interferes or not.

and if not for the window in my 5004

and if not for the window in my 5004

... then the bread would be almost as cool as in Panas !!!
No offense - just a joke. I really wanted to finish your phrase. Good luck !!!
P.S. By the way, does the mulik interfere with the dough at different speeds? It's just that I had a ski before - there are only two speeds: he starts kneading at a low speed and then shoves all the time at a constant. Having followed the kneading of the dough in Panas, I was very surprised - she (the stove) both slowly and quickly, and in stops and in pulse mode (when he does a kneading). Clever she is, this stove, already horror!

Peace be with you bakers!
and if it were not for the window in my 5004, then I still would not know that the stove not only bakes but also kneads

Bolshoi_IL - By the way, does the mulik interfere with the dough at different speeds?

you know, trying to count the revolutions looking through the window ----
get lost

[BLENDER]

you know, trying to count the revolutions looking through the window ----
get lost

So, this ... Maybe you have this BLENDER!?!?!? Or worse - COFFEE GRINDER!?!?! That's just where the window is VERY necessary - observe the degree of grinding.

Peace be with you bakers!
Duc and how to understand whether it kneads or not once it works quieter than an incandescent light
just looking out the window

Hello! The mule also kneads at different speeds and intervals. Vre recipes just with ideal proportions, yum-yum bread turns out! And after I made the baguettes, I finally realized that I had chosen this HP.

Hello!
I had a Moulinex 5004 OW XXL at work. I worked for 1 year without any problems (the bread only had to be shaken out of the saucepan). The warranty period passed and the gears rattled in it. The further, the more. With such rattling gears, the machine worked for another 4 months. The quality of the bread kept getting worse and worse - it began to knead badly.
As a result, I bought a Panasonic SD-254 last week. There are no problems yet.
Over time, I will send Moulinex for repair, there will be a spare stove.
And so, in my opinion, less than a year and a half of work is bad for a stove for 6 thousand rubles. From the top of today's experience, Moulinex did not buy.
Let's see how long Panasonic lasts.

Are there gears? It seems the engine, pulleys and belt. And bearings or bushings.

As a result, I bought a Panasonic SD-254 last week. There are no problems yet.
...
And so, in my opinion, less than a year and a half of work is bad for a stove for 6 thousand rubles.

that's the truth they say about rabbits, it was necessary to buy for 2 thousand, I would have worked as dear for more than one year and you would not have bad thoughts

Are there gears? It seems the engine, pulleys and belt. And bearings or bushings.

May be. I didn't spin it, but it crunches characteristically. If the belt is toothed, then there can be such a sound from it. As hands reach, I will spin and write.

Yes, I also forgot to write that Moulinex 5004 is very noisy compared to Panasonic SD-254.
It is possible that the reason for this is 2 mixers in 5004 versus 1-o1 in 254.

Yes, I also forgot to write that Moulinex 5004 is very noisy compared to Panasonic SD-254.
It is possible that the reason for this is 2 mixers in 5004 versus 1-o1 in 254.

No, it’s not the two mixers, but the manufacturer. My Mulineshka 30001 was with one stirrer, but it is still much noisier than the current Panasonic.

From personal experience Moulinex 5004. Only we can say that the bread learned to bake properly and the engine was covered in about 2 months, it was repaired in a service workshop for 58 days =) I was only glad that 12% of the cost was returned =). I'm looking forward to another breakdown =) maybe I'll return the entire cost, but I'll buy another one for myself =) it will be 2! Most likely Panasonic, there are more positive reviews.

Please tell me the owners of Moulinex with a baguette holder (5004, if I'm not mistaken). My friend bought such a bread maker and complains about the VERY tangible smell of plastic when baking. Is this the norm or marriage? The person is worn out, answer quickly. She has a bread maker for two weeks, no more. My Panasonic does not have this, the smell was only at the first baking ...