Please help me decide on a bread maker

Well, brotherly, please give me a link to it, otherwise you have so many subforums, I have eyes in different directions

it's just that there is not expensive in stores where I live

SPASYABA

https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=48129.0

https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=147300.0

here the answer is different .. a person is too lazy to read reviews on the same Yandex and then too lazy to climb on the topic ...

well, why laziness) people read. and the market too. now he is trying to organize information and not fly with a choice.

As for the color of the product itself: it is important for me personally that the appliances in the kitchen are somehow combined with each other. but this should, again, not to the detriment of the quality of technology and its functions. it just seems to me personally that the bread maker will always be in sight - I plan to use it often

anyway, thank you all very much for your help!

Well, there are two options ... either change the furniture .. or HP ....

My husband will not let me change the furniture, she suits him in many respects. And HP suits me, that's how we live, the main thing is that the bread is delicious.

who are you talking about?

And about the one that does not fit the golden refrigerator, the golden cartoon does not fit. How about the fact that "Honey, I bought new earrings, everything in the house should be changed." This is me joking, please do not be offended.

but my bread maker "harmonizes" with the interior on the floor under the table))) I live in a rented apartment (kitchen 2.5 by 2.5), I immediately knew that it would stand there, so I chose a darker, Panasonic. 2502. Didn't know what a dispenser was before? how does it clap?))): pardon: but it claps normally, I advise the nervous not to buy))) all my houses are fast asleep, and now I realized that 2501 would also be fine ...
I saw an inexpensive 2502 in an online store, I think well, there will be 2 dispensers empty (I still don't know what it is ....)

There are no bad bread makers ... There is a hostess with a bad mood or bad food!

That's for sure ... which will have to be proven, while the accumulation of knowledge about bread makers was in full swing ... they unexpectedly brought Dèlonghi 750W as a gift, for which they said thanks, and since they don't look a gift horse in the mouth, we had to prove that a bread maker for everything

Please tell me, is it possible to bake yeast-free bread and sweet pastries, or a cake, if it is not stated in the characteristics? But, it is written that there are 12 programs ..

Please tell me, is it possible to bake yeast-free bread and sweet pastries, or a cake, if it is not stated in the characteristics? But, it is written that there are 12 programs ..

I think we are talking about a bread maker, which one?

Well, I found this one on the market, for example: Mystery MBM-1201. It is not even written whether it bakes yeastless or not ...

Well, I found this one on the market, for example: Mystery MBM-1201. It is not even written whether it bakes yeastless or not ...

Svetlana, go to the topic on the model of the bread maker https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=117439.0

in short, bought for friends as a present

now you need to buy yourself, the budget is 4000 rubles your advice ??? almost all Daewoo equipment at home, after a confluence of circumstances, do I like it, they have a good thread ??? Thank you

buy any Panasonic and you will be always happy. Better dig up 2,000 rubles, but you are guaranteed excellent pastries and always a good mood.

[Matsushita]

Panasonic ??? O-P-A put, at the very firm insistence of his wife's brother (installer), a split system from Panasonic and AfIgEl ... compared to it, the others just barely go under their breath ...means Matsushita and does a good bread machine ??? Well thank you!!!

Panasonic is one of the oldest manufacturers of bread machines - it is the creator of this type of technique (the first bread machines were produced in 1987). Produces stoves according to OWN developments at OWN factories (note, Panasonic has practically no "twins", and sooo few can boast of these). These stoves are the most reliable in our post-Soviet space - there are breakdowns and failures, but their number is minimal.

see article Bread Maker

[Seryoga K]

Seryoga K, at 4500 it may not work. But within 5000 re on Russian online stores, you can find a Panasonic 2500.

Help with the choice. Panasonic2501 or Kenwood450. There is convection in Kenwood. Does this improve the quality of the bread? If possible, briefly the pros and cons of both. Thanks for the advice.

Help with the choice. Panasonic2501 or Kenwood450. There is convection in Kenwood. Does this improve the quality of the bread? If possible, briefly the pros and cons of both. Thanks for the advice.

It won't work in short!
You're going to grow wiser here, everything has been written for a long time, --- >>> Selection and operation of bread makers , if you are lazy, then throw a coin!

I recently bought a vitesse bread maker, I like the device, it looks good. Everyone in our family loves fresh bread, so we eat it almost every day. And now we are enjoying delicious homemade bread)) In theory, you can cook jams in this bread maker, tell me, has anyone tried it? I have a VS-424 bread maker.

[TTT_23,]

Dear TTT_23,

Congratulations on joining the baker's company!
To discuss specific models of bread makers that we ALREADY USE, there is a section SELECTION AND OPERATION OF BAKERY (click here)

And for rare bread makers there is a subsection
Other bread makers

in short ... everything ... I gathered my thoughts ... I take a Panasonic 2500 ... and then the question is, where to order? well, without scams?

a couple of days ago I went to the eldarads-technosilal and the lowest price was 7.000r ... expensive ???

in short ... everything ... I gathered my thoughts ... I take a Panasonic 2500 ... and then the question is, where to order? well, without scams?

a couple of days ago I went to the eldarads-technosilal and the lowest price was 7.000r ... expensive ???

You order in any online store, it is not difficult to check it for external defects and for inclusion.
And pay attention to the shipping cost.

in short ... everything ... I gathered my thoughts ... I take a Panasonic 2500 ... and then the question is, where to order? well, without scams?

a couple of days ago I went to the eldarads-technosilal and the lowest price was 7.000r ... expensive ???

Hello,
Prices on the Internet and in retail stores of Eldorado, Technosila and M Video sometimes differ significantly. Personally, I have been visiting stores recently with the aim of touching and twisting in my hands, and then on the Internet. So I advise you to run around the sites first.

Sergey, the choice is good, now look where it is more convenient and profitable for you to buy. I would not trade for a cheaper option if I like it or not. This is exactly what can happen in this case. The most that can happen in Panasonic is a failure with the first bread. But, if you learn mat. part on our forum, even the first bread can turn out great.
PS: on Avito you will buy a stove without a guarantee and, it may well turn out to be with problems. Personally, I would not risk it.

Giraffe, I support
From my own experience, I can say that it is better to buy something good right away than to throw money on the cheap and be disappointed. I had a Suzuka oven a long time ago (not a typo, it was called that), the bread turned out, but somehow not very much. Everything was baked, but the crumb was rubbery, and then the spatula began to remain in the bread. The bakery went to a far corner for several years.
After reading all the reviews, I bought a Panasonic with two dispensers. Pets perceived the purchase as another toy, but they were wrong. The bread turns out great, you can't compare with Suzuka. Therefore, I think it's better to buy a good one right away.

Well yes!
Bread - most cracks every day!
A proven model and manufacturer are essential here!

okay, okay, friends ... I finally settled on Panas, especially after I went through small shops and found everything except Panasonic and that means something.
As for my wife, this is not the girl who will throw HP on the shelf, especially since she has been sitting at home for a month because of the boy who was born and HP is more fun for her than ever ...

... later my login will be changed to HER name and she will be a permanent member of the forum !!!

Roland says business. My first stove cost 30 euros. I bought the cheapest one to understand whether I need it or not, because 30 euros is not a pity, if anything. But I liked it, and then I bought a better oven.

My first one is also from inexpensive - it also cost 30 green! I have mastered everything I can with her (except for jam, for me in HP it's just -TABOO!)
And I baked rye bread as usual - there were no problems. Now she is with her friends, they are happy.
And I have a Pani Sonya

yes I do not even doubt! I'm just a bucket on the shore)))))))))) And the jam is wonderful and on the stove !!

Nuuu, on the stove it is necessary to follow, interfere, strive to burn. And then just press the button and that's it
If the bucket is good, nothing will happen to it, and the rotten stuff will leak even without jam. In the first HP for 10 years !!! I cooked jam, never changed the bucket, it’s still alive (TTT!) And my friend “took care of the bucket”, she was afraid of jam like fire, so the bucket got sick with enuresis in a year and a half. So "the jam is not as bad as it is painted"

so that there is no such option as "buy cheap", and then - like it - you will not like it .. I can offer one more option .. HP has spread SO MUCH around the world that mom - don’t cry ... so isn’t it easier to come to someone the familiar owner of HP and asked to bake bread? Firstly, you will see what kind of unit it is and how to handle it in real life, and secondly, you will immediately have a "teacher / mentor" ... that is, an experienced baker who will initially save you from mistakes when baking your first bread. ...
Well, I would, for example, not mind someone coming to me and baking bread ...

the other day I was talking to the godfather, he tearfully asked to wait, he wants to give my wife PaniSonic 2501, they say he ordered it already ... well, let's wait

I am also a big fan of Panasonic - both HP and MV. I have had HP for more than 5 years, but something is wrong with it now - the heating does not work unambiguously - I take it out completely cold in the morning. And, probably, something with the stove - the top is quite light and, in my opinion, not baked so well. On weekends I will follow the process, on weekdays I cannot. Has anyone had anything like this?

Don't you have any online stores where you can buy cheaper? With delivery - I don’t know what to advise ... still a fragile cargo ... and loaders throw boxes at random .. so that it is not written there!

in Stavr kr the cheapest store sells for 7.000r

that's why I'm asking about reliable sources

Did you find out how much it will cost you delivery from an Internet store? Better to overpay 500 RE and calmly pick up the HP than to order it in the internet 1000 km away from home and then think about how to return it in case of a breakdown?

Hello! People, please help with advice! A friend asked me a question, as the owner of a bread machine (and this is nothing for her that I was the first hp was cheap, and baker from me is very "green", but for some reason my friend decided that I could give authoritative advice). In general, she is going to buy a bread machine and heard that the main thing for this unit is a good mix. So he asks in which bread makers the batch is good and which is bad. And I am neither sleep nor spirit! My Skarlusha interferes with myself and interferes, I somehow did not pay attention. We can, and I have a bad batch, but I, such a fool, do not know? How to determine something? It seems that the bread is baked, however, most often from the bottom and near the crusts it is denser, with smaller pores, and in the middle and at the top, the pores become larger and the bread looser.Is this a bad mix?
Which Brands stoves knead worse, and which ones are better, maybe someone has such information? And then I need to somehow not hit my face in the mud, like I'm a bakery guru!

[variety]

variety For all HP, the batch is the same, it differs only in the batch time. Only HP Panasonic has a patented mixing algorithm that simulates manual mixing. The pores are uneven, the very principle of proofing in a bucket and not in a basket cannot be eliminated in any way. There is only one HP devoid of this almost completely - DeLonghi EOB 2071 https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=143917.0

I did not delve into such subtleties about kneading. But I know for sure - in Panasonic, the batch is much better, of higher quality than in a completely German, not the cheapest Yunold. And the bread is much better. I think the difference is due to:
1) the shape of the bucket - in Panasonic it is rectangular and the dough hits the walls, and in the Yunold it is round and the dough just rolls along the walls;
2) maybe it is the kneading algorithm - in Panasonic, a certain part of the kneading occurs in such portions with stops (twisted-half-saw the dough, stop, the dough has a break of a few seconds), and in the Yunold it turns evenly.

I did not delve into such subtleties about kneading. But I know for sure - in Panasonic, the batch is much better, of higher quality than in a completely German, not the cheapest Yunold. And the bread is much better. I think the difference is due to:
1) the shape of the bucket - in Panasonic it is rectangular and the dough hits the walls, and in the Yunold it is round and the dough just rolls along the walls;
2) maybe it is the kneading algorithm - in Panasonic, a certain part of the kneading occurs in such portions with stops (twisted-half-saw the dough, stop, the dough has a break of a few seconds), and in the Yunold it turns evenly.

In my Scarlett, too, the bucket is rectangular, and the dough also spins with stops of a couple of seconds. Something else, probably, Panasonic should be special, since everyone praises him precisely for the batch. To understand that ...

Good day!
Please help me choose a bread maker, which is better to buy a Panasonic 2502 or Bork 500?

Good day!
Please help me choose a bread maker, which is better to buy a Panasonic 2502 or Bork 500?

I read it.
So I ask those who have been using a bread maker for a long time to tell me what is the best way to stop.

Do you want comparisons from the owners? But usually Panasonic owners do not have Borks and vice versa. Or do you already want another bread maker?

Good day!
Please help me choose a bread maker, which is better to buy a Panasonic 2502 or Bork 500?

IMHO, I would choose Panasonic, a long-established Japanese manufacturer. Bork is an overpriced Russian NovoBrand with assembly primarily in China.
In order not to be unfounded, here is the information dug up on the Internet:

"Although Bork positions itself as a manufacturer of household appliances and electronics, it does not have its own production. The classic marketing company places orders for the production of small household appliances at OEMs (Original Equipment Manufacturer) in China, Korea, Poland, Hungary and Germany.
Marketing companies build their own products from parts already available from the OEM, much like kids build Lego houses. If you can find a successful combination of body, decor, controls and internal components, then a unique product is ready. However, in most cases, for such a company, the main thing is not uniqueness, but price. Otherwise, it would be difficult to compete with multinational brands.
In the Bork company itself, they say that the brand was born back in 1992, however, according to market participants, this brand appeared on the shelves of Russian stores not earlier than 2004. By this time, there were already at least four Russian marketing Brands with federal coverage on the domestic market: Scarlett, Vitek, Polar and Binatone.All of them are positioned in the low price segment, and Maxim Biryulin, the creator of the Brand, was late with dumping. Then he decided to make the technique using more expensive metal components and sell it at the price of premium products.
Probably, to justify the high price, Bork is positioned as a technique from Germany: according to the results of a study by the MASMI agency, 67% of Russian residents are sure that Bork is a German brand. The company has managed to maintain this result for more than two years thanks to the extreme degree of secrecy. Recently, however, Bork has shown such powerful advertising activity and attracted so much attention that now its true origins will be difficult to hide from ordinary consumers.
DOSSIER
The Bork company promotes the eponymous brand of household appliances and electronics, which is manufactured by order of its OEM production in China, Poland, Hungary, Germany and Korea. Small household appliances account for 60% of sales, 25% for climate technology (fans and heaters), and the rest for microwave ovens and vacuum cleaners. The company also produces audio and video equipment, but in small volumes. According to independent estimates, the Bork brand's turnover is $ 65 million. Brand recognition in Moscow, where most of the equipment of this brand is sold, according to MASMI, is 37%. According to Gallup Media, 7.9% of Moscow families have Bork equipment. According to official information provided by the Bork company, its headquarters are located in Berlin and the brand is of German origin. The central office where the product concept is developed is located in Moscow. The Bork brand is considered German by 67% of consumers surveyed by MASMI. "

"The official website of Bork (Bork Elektronik GmbH) is www .. The German domain belongs to another Bork company, Spedition Bork GmbH & C. KG, which is engaged in cargo transportation.
In 2001, the owners of the Electroflot company registered the Bork Electronik GmbH company in Germany (according to one of the versions, they bought a trademark already registered in the 90s). The Bork company does not have its own factories and its own production, the equipment is ordered from various manufacturers in China, Korea, Germany, Hungary, Poland.
In the beginning, “German technology” did not stand out on the shelves. These were ordinary white plastic household appliances.

In 2005 the owner of the Bork brand “Electroflot” changed its name to “Technopark”. Bork's in-house designers have developed the appearance of several fixtures in metal. The series was named Pro Line and turned the fate of the brand. It aroused the interest of several regional networks, among them was, for example, the St. Petersburg chain Technoshock, which once belonged to Oleg Tinkov. And since 2005, Bork appliances have been on sale in some chain stores.

A year later, having failed to build its own retail network, Technopark entered into an exclusive agreement with M. Video". As a result, Bork ranks in M. Video ”first place in sales in the segment of small household appliances, overtaking world leaders. In turn, M. Video accounts for the most impressive part of Bork equipment sales.

To promote premium products in the small home appliance market, Bork:

positions them as German technology, although it produces single models in Germany, and the product concept is developed at the head office in Russia;
manufactures household appliances in a metal case and develops a design for them reminiscent of professional cooking equipment;
in advertising messages focuses on a female audience, using the slogan "Technique with a masculine character."
In 2009, the Federal Antimonopoly Service of Russia fined Bork Elektronik GmbH 100 thousand rubles for unfair competition. The violation was expressed in misleading consumers about the place of production of goods: on the packaging, the company claimed that it produced them in Germany, although in fact the country of origin was China. "

About Bork I would also like to say .. what is produced in Germany itself - 85% of these are orders for the eurozone itself ...

DD! I am choosing a x / n, the choice fell on Panasonic.On the Yandex market I saw that 2501 and 2502 have the following differences: 1. in the weight of baking, 2. the accelerated baking program is available only in 2501, 3. bread made of wholemeal flour is also only in 2501, 4. French baguette only in 2502, 5. yeast-free baking only in 2502, 6. wheat bread only in 2501, 7. Power failure memory only in 2501, 8. fruit in syrup program only in 2502.
The question is: is this really so (can you believe it)? Are there really such differences in the models?

8. program for cooking fruit in syrup only at 2502.
The question is: is this really so (can you believe it)? Are there really such differences in the models?

having a model 2501 I can say with 100% certainty that fruits in syrup are made there .. just believe me, at most you will make fruits there ONE only time ... because sugar will scratch the bucket terribly .. and you don't need it for a hundred years .. ...

DD! I am choosing a x / n, the choice fell on Panasonic. On the Yandex market I saw that 2501 and 2502 have the following differences: 1. in the weight of baking, 2. the accelerated baking program is available only in 2501, 3. bread made of wholemeal flour is also only in 2501, 4. French baguette only in 2502, 5. yeast-free baking only in 2502, 6. wheat bread only in 2501, 7. Power failure memory only in 2501, 8. fruit in syrup program only in 2502.
The question is: is this really so (can you believe it)? Are there really such differences in the models?

In fact, the differences between the 2501 and 2502 models, produced for the CIS market, only in the external design and available in the 2502 dispensers for automatic yeast addition.

But, within 2502 there are models that differ in letters after the numbers - one of the models for the European market, a friend for the CIS. It is easy to define them - the language of the inscriptions on the display. In European, there seems to be no dumplings dough, but there are a couple of modes such as Italian and sandwich bread. This European model is mentioned here. https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=178478.0

Ask Panasonic users for more details here https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=169416.1760

Why be afraid? I would, if now the question arose about the acquisition of a new HP, would be looking by hook or by crook for 2501 for the European market. I don't need to knead the dough for dumplings, but a sandwich, Italian and brioche would be interesting to have.

now you need to buy yourself, budget 4000 rubles your advice ??? almost all Daewoo equipment at home, by the confluence of circumstances, do you like it, they have a good thread ??? Thank you

buy any Panasonic and you will be always happy. Better to dig up 2,000 rubles, but great baked goods are guaranteed and always a good mood.

Panasonic is one of the oldest manufacturers of bread machines - is the creator of this type of technology (the first bread machines were produced in 1987). It produces stoves according to OWN developments at OWN factories (note, Panasonic has practically no "twins", and sooo few can boast of these). These stoves are the most reliable in our post-Soviet space - there are breakdowns and failures, but their number is minimal.

Priiivet, more than three years have passed since there was a conversation about choosing a stove. So they bought Panasonic.
Since then she has baked 365 rolls three times, you know what I mean?
And this is what I would like to tell, my friends have some sort of LG roofing felts, or I don’t remember anything else, but during the same period there were several (4-5) breakdowns, moreover, repetitive ones.
Now the shaft seal, then the bucket is covered ...
Not to mention the quality of the bread itself, this is, as it were, a subjective thing.
And our Panasonic has 0 breakdowns !!! NUUU stuff !!! THANK YOU!!!
(now a multicooker, give the same advice, now the role's money will not run out. It's good that we didn't buy a fuflopech for 4000r, but took it for 7000, so we plan to do the same with a multicooker. Thanks in advance)

[Naira K]

Naira K, I am very glad that you are satisfied with your choice in favor of the Panasonic bread machine. Let the stove keep you happy.And regarding the multicooker, I strongly advise the 6-liter Steba multicooker pressure cooker. I am very pleased with my Shteba. Simple, intuitive operation and great results for any recipe. The only thing. that I did not foresee when choosing the Shteba model, that I need the maximum volume (I have a Shteba for 5 liters) when sterilizing canned food. because in a 5-liter pan, only half-liter cans are placed in height, while in a 6-liter Shtebe I could sterilize cans of both 0.6 and 0.75 liters in volume. Shteba is a great clever and cool assistant! Take the Shteba for 6 liters.

Hello. I am with a banal question: and yet which one is better to buy HP 2501 or 2511? I have a big family (5 men), 1 of them on a gluten-free diet. At night, in snatches, I read the forum. a friend advises 2501. but I understand correctly: model 2511 is more recent (perhaps better?). It differs only in the program for low-yeast bread and that's it?
I would decide tomorrow ... Help who has long been in the subject.