Alexa13
Quote: azaza


And the ceramic Viscount bowl is already scolded. After six months of use, the dishes in it seemed to start to burn.

Well, that's about the "funny quality". And smacks of

Quote: azaza

The quality may be ridiculous, but not enough to ignore cheap multicooker at all. At this price, they can be updated once a year. And they perform their tasks quite well.
In general, yes. As they say, it's broken - it's not a pity to throw it away. They will work for a while, and then they still want something new.

Quote: azaza


I have nothing against Panas. But I think that one cannot stand still when there is such competition around. The market today is far from the same when Panas came to it. He came first, won it, and absolutely deservedly. But resting on our laurels is not good for business.

In this I completely agree with you. I'm also waiting for Panas to make a "jump forward", to release something "super-duper" with a super-bowl. Of course, the price will probably be bent ... Yes, Panas was a pioneer, became the first cartoon among a huge number of people, won love and recognition, but it's time to move forward. Take all the best that is in the multicooker world today and create another masterpiece.

I really like Brand's new models both in terms of functions and the quality of the bowl. After all, well done, practically "at the request of viewers" created a cartoon! That would be Panas to learn. I also have Panas, like most, the first cartoon, I love him dearly, but I really look forward to a technical breakthrough from the company.
Alexa13
Quote: azaza

And I’ll tell you a terrible secret: cheap is not always bad.
I agree with that. Often the high cost is only an overpayment for the name and advertising. Personally, I have a lot of devices with low-profile names, which over the years !!! work properly without a single repair (pah-pah-pah!).
The laws of trade are far from the laws of life and logic - faroooo not always "expensive - good", but "cheap - byaka". As well as vice versa.
azaza
Quote: Alexa13

Well, that's about the "funny quality".
So for that kind of money it is foolish to expect perfection for centuries. Such multi is very good for those owners who are not yet sure that they need a cartoon. Inexpensive, and all the advantages of a multicooker are obvious. If a person will use it, they will like the principle of "multicooking" - then they will choose the next one with an eye to long-term cooperation. There, money can be invested more seriously - because you know that you are buying a useful thing, and not a stupid toy.
In general, cheap multicooker fully justifies itself.
(And, by the way, about the ridiculous quality. Panas's saucepan is also very funny in a sense. At a very unfunny price. And this is also reality, like foreign smells in some cheap multicooker).
azaza
Quote: Alexa13 from Today at 00:34

The laws of trade are far from the laws of life and logic - faroooo not always "expensive - good", but "cheap - byaka". As well as vice versa.
For some reason, yogurt makers most often demonstrate this. It's a strange thing - cheap ones keep the required temperature, expensive brand ones mercilessly overheat. But this is already offtopic, right now we are moderators
And from the multicooker only Moulinex frankly scold. Again, not cheap units, sort of like a brand. But ... The rest practically all work quite well without dividing into "expensive" and "cheap".
Alexa13
Quote: azaza

So for that kind of money it is foolish to expect perfection for centuries. Such multi is very good for those owners who are not yet sure that they need a cartoon.
Well, yes, for "training", for giving, etc. - excellent.About a spare saucepan for Panas is generally a separate topic, for such a price you can buy a new cartoon mixer (for example) in addition. The price is absolutely inadequate. And in general, with such a filling of the market with a wide variety of cartoons, the price for them (in general for all models, not only Panas) should constantly and steadily decrease. The prices for sooo many models are sooooo high by both the manufacturer and the trading organizations.
azaza
Quote: Alexa13

And in general, with such a filling of the market with a variety of cartoons, the price for them (in general for all models, not only Panas) should constantly and steadily decline. The prices for sooo many models are sooooo high by both the manufacturer and the trading organizations.
Here! And that's what I mean. If you really want to take good money from the buyer, then provide him with something so that he does not feel sorry for the money thrown away. Rather, so that he does not consider this money thrown away. This means, either with an ideal saucepan and a variety of programs ideally targeted for certain markets, or with an increased configuration (for example, an additional saucepan plus two steamers, plus silicone gloves so that it is convenient to pull out a hot saucepan, plus a silicone colander, and even better, a silicone mesh for deep frying or cooking pasta). And it's better to put it all together and set a very modest price for this pleasure. Let's say 100 raccoons killed. Then not life would have come, but solid raspberries
But reality is as always

Alexa13
Quote: azaza

For some reason, yogurt makers most often demonstrate this. It's a strange thing - cheap ones keep the required temperature, expensive brand ones mercilessly overheat.
Exactly. I bought mine for ... 700 rubles, after reading reviews. Plows well. They constantly complain about the most expensive one.
By multicooker. You are right, almost every model has its fans, adapting to everyone. And manufacturers are trying not to fall face down in the dirt. With such an abundance, navigating, of course, is difficult, but the forum is valuable because you can share your impressions, ask a question to real users of devices, and not to "sales consultants", read real reviews and make your choice.
Alexa13
Quote: azaza

This means, either with an ideal saucepan and a variety of programs ideally targeted for certain markets, or with an increased configuration (for example, an additional saucepan plus two steamers, plus silicone gloves so that it is convenient to pull out a hot saucepan, plus a silicone colander, and even better, a silicone mesh for deep frying or cooking pasta).


Okay, so be it, we will stock up on silicone on our own, but the set of programs must be super-duper, meeting all the basic needs of the housewives (and for this you need to carefully study the requests and reviews of consumers), the saucepan must not be "disposable", and there must be two of them included, insert-steamer and ... clear instructions! Okay, God bless her, it doesn't matter, we'll come up with a recipe book ourselves (although it's nice when there is a voluminous colorful and at the same time adequate book).
We are waiting for
azaza
And I never look into recipe books. I do not trust. Either it was written from the bulldozer, or they did it with a translation, or they didn’t write it for our market, plus they screwed it up with a translation - then the output is one continuous translation of products. I mostly practice my own recipes. Everything that I used to do on the stove was transferred to the cartoon. Well, here, on the forum, I looked at something. So I can easily do without a recipe book in the kit. But a spare saucepan, and internal and hinged steamers - that would already be interesting.
Of course, we will buy silicone ourselves, but not everything is on sale that we would like to have. For example, an insert in which one could cook pasta, something like a colander: you put it in a saucepan with boiling water, add the pasta, and then take it out. The water remains in the saucepan, the pasta in the colander is a beauty! Because the option with boiling before boiling water is not suitable for all dishes, and most importantly, not for all eaters. My son-in-law would see this blasphemy - he would cry from resentment for the national dish
Alexa13
About recipes - yes, there are soooo shoals, that "mom do not cry"
Quote: azaza

For example, an insert in which one could cook pasta, something like a colander: you put it in a saucepan with boiling water, add the pasta, and then take it out. The water remains in the saucepan, the pasta in the colander is a beauty!

Oh, thanks for the idea! I see such silicone folding colanders on sale (are we talking about them?), I still think where to attach. A good idea!
azaza
Quote: Alexa13

Oh, thanks for the idea! I see such silicone folding colanders on sale (are we talking about them?), I still think where to attach. A good idea!
It was they who pushed me towards this idea. But it's not about them. Their handle is not removable, the cartoon will not close with it. I meant that the pasta should be cooked right in this colander, inserted into the saucepan. That is, the handle must be removable.
Alexa13
They didn't seem to come across with a removable handle, but you can also adapt this if you cook with an open lid.
Zvezda askony
Quote: azaza

Well! Sucked in. And the Ministry of Health warned you! Well then, welcome to the forum now for real
Oh!!!!! Run, run - and don't say that you were not warned !!!!!!!
Look at my list! But in December 2011 - there was one microwave
But .... chose a bread machine - wandered here - truncated !!! The boss is gone!
Multicooker - two and a terrible thing - one more (more precisely two - you want)
And this forum - yes! Klondike - ideas, recipes and everything that can come in handy in life!
azaza
Firstly, you also need to pick up the diameter, otherwise the colander may turn out to be larger than a multi saucepan. Secondly, with the lid open, I'm afraid the pasta won't boil. Or will they?
Alexa13
Probably depends on the power of the device and on the selected program. I'll try to measure it for the diameter.
azaza
Quote: Alexa13

Probably depends on the power of the device and on the selected program. I'll try to measure it for the diameter.
The results will certainly be published !!! This is the price of an idea
Gibus
Quote: Alexa13

Well, that's about the "funny quality". And smacks of
I will defend the cheap Viscount. A week ago I bought it for 1499r, I thought I’ll give it to someone ... Since I seem to have enough, recently purchased, Brand 37502. I tried it. Works fine and bakes well (which I can't get from Brand for example). Surprisingly, there were no problems with odors. And it is very pleasant to cook in a white saucepan - the products look good
In general, while I left myself ...

prubul
Please share who has multi-cooker-pressure cooker "ARS".... What to buy Moulinex 400032 or ARS? seemingly the same, the functions are the same, only Moulinex 7000 rubles and ARS 4200. As the saying goes, Feel the difference. I will not find reviews about ARS.
Oca
prubul, is the pressure cooker worth the money? ARS in stores has not met, I can not say anything (look at the site, there is a Temka about it), but other models do not justify the double name "multicooker-pressure cooker". It turns out that this is just a pressure cooker, in which you can set the cooking time, that is, it cannot determine the readiness of the dish (for example, by boiling water). To be honest, I gave up buying electric pressure cookers in favor of multi-cookers. The first ones are warming up until they gain pressure, then they release steam - according to reviews, cooking porridge is not much faster. Multicooker is "smarter" and there are more automatic modes. If you find a multicooker with a pressure cooker function, it will be the perfect purchase (IMHO).
I just ordered my second cartoon. I was looking for the cheapest, but not outright nonsense (price + shipping = less than 3000r) - Supra MCS-4531 (Reply # 148 on Feb 29, 2012). I buy a cat in a poke. We are waiting for a call from the store
sazalexter
Quote: Oca

prubul, is the pressure cooker worth the money? ARS has not met in stores, I can not say anything (look at the first ones while they warm up, until they gain pressure, then they release steam - according to reviews, cooking porridge is not much faster. Multicooker is "smarter" and there are more automatic modes. then it will be a perfect buy (IMHO).
There is one, you just looked badly for CUCKOO 1054 in it you can set not only the time but also the temperature in steps of 1 * C https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&board=465.0
And I won't say that multicooker is smarter than a pot with a heating element and one, maximum two sensors and a 20-year-old controller. All these are just rice cookers and nothing more.
Oca
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There is one, you just looked badly for CUCKOO 1054 in it you can set not only the time but also the temperature in steps of 1 * C And I will not say that the multicooker is smarter
I know, I did this, but a little question: why does it cost an average of 21 490 rubles ?? !!! Nobody dares to buy. For such grandmas, the pan should be covered with gold and the lid with diamonds. It's better to buy a decent 2-meter refrigerator ... or a slow cooker, a pressure cooker and a bread maker separately I can't judge the artificial intelligence of pressure cookers, but after reading the instructions I came to the conclusion that they are not able to determine the degree of readiness of the dish and strictly follow the program set by the user (set at time and pressure). Again, my IMHO, but I will only cook milk porridge in a multicooker, because it monitors the temperature and, due to the low power of the heater, will not fry milk.
Zvezda askony
Quote: Oca

I know I did this, but a little question: why does it cost an average of 21,490 rubles ?? !!! Nobody dares to buy. For such grandmothers, the pan should be covered with gold and the lid with diamonds. ...
This multicooker is well worth the money.
As for the cost, the Zepter dishes cost the same - and is it covered with gold or rhinestones?
The blender of bamix costs about 14,000 - there are also no rhinestones and gold there.
I first bought a cheap multicooker for 2000. For a whole year I wondered whether or not to buy a Cuckoo.
In December 2011 bought Cuckoo 1054
Now I can say for sure - it is worth the money.
I bought on sale for 16,700 with Stockmann loyalty card. For this you have to wait. You can not wait and buy for 21,490.
There is no analogue 1054
There is also the Spanish Robochef 1051 - he is even cooler. But he speaks Spanish.
The cuckoos discussed a lot and took apart a lot. But everyone agrees on one thing. This is a very high quality and conscientious thing done.
The price is due to the fact that this option is done exclusively for Russia

1) She speaks Russian
2) In the MULTI COOK mode, there is an adjustment from 50 degrees to 120 degrees in one degree increments
You can also set the time in steps per minute.
3) On the Biscuit mode - you get great casseroles and pates
4) There is an Oven program

5) Manual modes are adjustable in 3 positions
Spanish robochef allows more time and temperature settings

6) There is a long-term mode

7) Magnificent bowl - to which nothing really burns
The weight of this bowl - for comparison - 1336 grams

It is possible to use a stainless steel bowl
The weight of such a bowl is 1470 grams

9) When setting a timer, you do not need to calculate how long you need to turn on
You just put the time - for which you need to prepare
Cooking really better and tastier
Voice guide will tell you what and how to include in what sequence
1010 - reliable quality pressure cooker
With a great bowl, Kuku quality.
He cooks great. Russian menu
from 9900 to 14500

0821 - multicooker
analogue of Panasonic - in terms of functionality
as a kuku, with a great bowl.
With quality modes
At an affordable price
from 6500 to 7500
Zvezda askony
Quote: prubul

Please share who has multi-cooker-pressure cooker "ARS".... What to buy Moulinex 400032 or ARS? seemingly the same, the functions are the same, only Moulinex 7000 rubles and ARS 4200. As the saying goes -Feel the difference. I will not find reviews about ARS.
Buy an inexpensive multicooker - in order to understand whether you need it in principle or not
Convenient or not.
Like the principle - you will watch better quality
Leaders in this Kuku, then Kuchen, followed by Dashing
If you don't like it, give it to someone.
The only thing is that the bowls are certainly far from ideal.
But first of all - they are good too - there is nothing to compare with
Oca
Quote: Zvezda Askony

This multicooker is well worth the money. There is no analogue 1054
Thank you very much for your story! This is saddening that there are no analogues yet ... I no longer buy expensive equipment, because last summer several electrical appliances burned down due to the disgusting power supply. A couple of them were repaired on their own, but the rest cannot be restored (including a large TV and monitor). For a good technique, you need a good voltage regulator, or you should choose a technique with an inscription on the back wall "110-240V".
prubul
Thank you all for your answer! While in thought! And the ARS multicooker is produced in our city. Usman, Lipetsk region. Although the stores say the assembly is China. If you do not mind, take a look at the site and write what you think about it. I would be grateful!
Elena Bo
Quote: Zvezda Askony

This multicooker is well worth the money.
In December 2011 bought Cuckoo 1054
Now I can say for sure - it is worth the money.
I bought on sale for 16,700 with Stockmann loyalty card. For this you have to wait. You can not wait and buy for 21,490.
There is no analogue 1054

Yeah, pay that kind of money to get it in a couple of years https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=164206.0
sazalexter
Quote: Elena Bo

Yeah, pay that kind of money to get it in a couple of years https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=164206.0
It is up to everyone to pay or not, you can buy a saucepan for $ 70 and toil with it, then it burns, then it runs away, then the Teflon slides off and the pan cannot be found or picked up from another "Chinese flashlight"
Elena Bo
It is clear that everyone decides for himself what and for how much to buy. But you must admit that having bought a device for 20 thousand, you also want the appropriate quality.
And bought for a penny and do not mind, because the low price implies a short service. And when buying, a person consciously makes a compromise.
Suslya
well, Sash, I compared it for 70uё just and it's not a pity, for that it is 70 .. but to get rid of 1000 uё and then get such a zilch ... that's a shame

oh Elena
Zvezda askony
I am very pretty 1054. even if a crack appears - it will not affect driving performance.
The next multicooker will only be Cuckoo /
The second is meant.
Yes 17,000 is a decent amount - I admit it. But 15,000 for a frying pan is also a lot
In 1054 I am very happy with the opportunity to make cakes, casseroles, bake chicken.
Cook delicious soups, milk porridge, cutlets. And all this with my minimal involvement. Compared to inexpensive cartoons, the bowl is washed once or twice.
If you wish, you can for more humane money - there would be a desire
Here I was impatient with an oil can - it's funny to say - from America.
And she's at my place - I'm happy.

There is money you can buy in Russia - any of the three - 1054, 1010, 0821.

There is no money, there is a desire to free hands and eat tasty -
e bay, amazone and others to help you.

But what's interesting.
It was important for me.
Inexpensive cartoons are sold from 1000 pieces at a price of 5-15 USD. e.
Cuckoos are the simplest and cheapest by the piece and from $ 50.

I'm a big girl and I don't believe in fairy tales anymore.
You can't make a product from quality materials for 15 years.

In any case, in my opinion, the most important task of inexpensive multicooker is that they make it possible to understand the very principle of cooking in a multicooker.
It is convenient for someone - but for someone it is more convenient to constantly be in good shape and monitor the process on their own.
The first toon can be inexpensive. If you do not like the idea, it was not a pity to transfer it.

Unfortunately, in Russia, prices for inexpensive cartoons are set like this - that you are amazed -
But if the stars light up, then someone needs it
I just wanted to explain my choice and, if possible, help determine those who are at a crossroads
Zvezda askony
Quote: Suslya

well, Sash, I compared it for 70uё just and it's not a pity, for that it is 70 .. but to get rid of 1000 uё and then get such a zilch ... that's a shame

oh Elena
Where did 1000 have ev ???
1000=30 000
Cuckoo without discount -21 490 divide by 30 = 716
With discount
16700 divided by 30 = 556 y e
Something like this
Overseas, there are simpler options at a lower price.
Yes, they don't have such opportunities.
But the functionality is decent and more than sufficient.
The quality is better. The coating of the bowls is decent.
The price is quite reasonable.
You just need to find someone who will help with the purchase. That's all
azaza
Quote: Zvezda Askony

In 1054 I am very happy with the opportunity to make cakes, casseroles, bake chicken.
Cook delicious soups, milk porridge, cutlets.And all this with my minimal involvement. Compared to inexpensive cartoons, the bowl is washed once or twice.
I believethat Kuko is the most worthy of the cartoon and of the pressure cookers at the same time. I believe, as they believe in something that cannot be verified (because the toad crushes the drain to be convinced of its omnipotence with one's own eyes). I believe!
But you, Star of Ascona, have failed to convincingly praise your cuckoo. Cakes, casseroles, chicken, delicious soups and milk porridge are excellently made by my super-budget Dex-50. And all this with my minimal involvement (which is simply nowhere to be reduced - it is unlikely that your cuckoo washes vegetables and seasoned the soup by herself). And the cup - you won't believe it! - at the same time it washes once or twice, although it weighs exactly half a cuckoo's.
No, no, I'm not trying to put my cheap Dexik and your dear one on the same level a toy Kuku. I am just claiming that you failed what you obviously wrote your long post for. After reading it, I did not want to buy a Cuckoo, even if I had extra money. Do you know why? You didn't mention the miracles of the cuckoo. You just listed what you can cook in almost any budget cartoon. The only thing in your post that makes Kuku stand out from the crowd is the more than reliable saucepan. But even here Dexes with Brand and Yummy, if they cannot equal Kuku, are quite close by. Except that in terms of the environmental friendliness of the saucepan, Kuko undoubtedly wins, which in itself is a lot. But this is exactly what you did not mention in your post. And they named just the same banal casserole cakes and so on, which, I repeat, are successfully made by cheap multi.
So I still believe to Kuku as something supernatural. Because your post failed to bring her closer to me. Couldn't convince me that it is still worth the money. Write that she can do things that state employees cannot? Honestly, honestly: I really want her want... It's not a fact that after the Wishlist I'll buy it, but it's more interesting to live with Wishlist, there is something to strive for. But for now .............
irysska
Tan, you yourself say that Deksik and Lieber do an excellent job with their functions - so why would you even start wanting Cook. You already have great functionality.
In general, it turns out (according to some) that if someone doesn’t have a cartoon, it’s impossible to live like that. It seems like they are playing with toys, but not serious dishes in the form of milk porridge or chicken with a biscuit are cooked. It turns out, in Kuku - a dish, and in another cartoon - well, poison directly. The same as with Panas bread makers. I now live with my LG and I am happy - and I do not care for Panas if I feel good anyway. Also with Kuku.
azaza
So I'm about that! Insanely happy with my cartoons. And the saucepan in Dex is completely unkillable.But if someone still manages to ditch it (it's not a tricky business, you understand) - so a spare tire for Dex can be bought with one left for mere pennies (the issue price is 130 UAH). The only thing I had to tinker with was milk porridge, and even then because I eat only especially foamy, But they have also become tamed. Cooking, however, takes a long time, from 5 hours. So what difference does it make if I put them at least for a long time, at least for a short time? I don’t wait for them, I’m sleeping peacefully at this time. But the porridge turns out to be simmered, like in a Russian oven
So there is no better Dex multi (in Ukrainian open spaces). Cook - probably good too (again I believe!, like a heavenly angel), but in terms of price / quality ratio, it loses very much to our uncomplicated budget Deksik. Or rather, to my uncomplicated 50th. And with 60 you can argue with foam at the mouth, because! ..
And I want to get infected with the Wishlist, because I catch myself on the fact that without the Wishlist it becomes boring. I feel, it's time to call the doctor
Suslya
Quote: Zvezda Askony

Where did 1000 have ev ???

oh, well, just by the way, I had to, there was no desire to sit and figure out how much this Cook costs there, I don’t kill myself, how nice, at least I don’t need something

Quote: Zvezda Askony


The price is quite reasonable.

everything in this world is relative ... and many families, for such a price, try to live with the whole family for a month.
Lozja
Quote: Suslya

everything in this world is relative ... and many families, for such a price, are trying to live with the whole family for a month.

It's scary to say, but many live for less than a month.

Oh, I just calculated how much is $ 700 for our money. What do you! These are our three average Ukrainian salaries (not budgetary! And not capital). If budget, then all four!
yara
Quote: azaza

Honestly, honestly: I really want her want... It's not a fact that after the Wishlist I'll buy it, but it's more interesting to live with Wishlist, there is something to strive for. But for now .............
azaza, where will you put it? Already, a saucepan for each family member!
azaza
All about the same.

Quote: Zvezda Askony

I am very pretty 1054. even if a crack appears - it will not affect driving performance.
If a crack appeared in the case in a cartoon over 70 Baku, I would be terribly upset. If it did not affect the "driving performance" - over time would have resigned, but still would treat such a cartoon as a wounded one, not as a full-fledged one. But if a crack, albeit not affecting the work, appeared in the unit costing 700 killed animals ... I would be DISAPPOINTED... And my disappointment would never end. Time has no power over such disappointment.
So I can't say that if a crack does not affect the performance of the device, then this is a completely harmless brat, sir. A brand that charges prohibitively "grown-up" money for its products simply has no right to allow such "harmlessness". My opinion. And you can count as you wish.
azaza
Quote: yara

azaza, where will you put it? Already, a saucepan for each family member!
No, Yara, you are fundamentally wrong! There are no more practitioners left uncovered. But not all devices call Wishlist. Cook is one of them. I don't want her. Therefore, you do not have to worry about the lack of space for all aggregates
yara
Quote: azaza

I don't want her. Therefore, you do not have to worry about the lack of space for all aggregates
It's easier for me, I didn't want Kuku. For me and DEH, almost half of my monthly income
But there are so many other Wishlist here that don't go to the forum at least!
azaza
Quote: yara

But there are so many other Wishlist here that don't go to the forum at least!
Oh, how are you right !!! Aha, the doctor's office is not fatat to us!
But I already felt better. I closed almost all the Wishlist, there was only one left - Berner. I'll close the question in 3-4 weeks - and I'll calm down.
In a whisper: but no wishlist boringaaaaaaaaaaaaa ...
sazalexter
Quote: azaza

All about the same.
If a crack appeared in the case in a cartoon over 70 Baku, I would be terribly upset. If it did not affect the "driving performance" - over time would have resigned, but still would treat such a cartoon as a wounded one, not as a full-fledged one. But if a crack, albeit not affecting the work, appeared in the unit costing 700 killed animals ... I would be DISAPPOINTED... And my disappointment would never end. Time has no power over such disappointment.
So I can't say that if a crack does not affect the performance of the device, then this is a completely harmless brat, sir. A brand that charges prohibitively "grown-up" money for its products simply has no right to allow such "harmlessness". My opinion. And you can count as you wish.
By the way, I don't have a crack, and hundreds of other users, too. My bread maker turned brown inside, but this does not affect the quality of the bread
azaza
Quote: sazalexter

Yes, I have a crack on my not the cheapest smartphone
So it's cheap! I also have shoals on cheap things, so the price itself suggests them. Thank God that performance is not affected. But when you buy shoals at a low price, these are not shoals at all, but side effects of savings. And when you pay like for a spaceship, every crack, even in the case, even in a saucepan, is like a knife to your heart.
By the way, I don't see your picture.
Suslya
Quote: sazalexter


And what not to live now?

no, Sash, you have to live, but you don't need to pay more (as in that advertisement "why pay more?")
azaza
Oops, I read it inattentively. Not the cheapest read how at the cheapest.
Well, even more so! And your stove is expensive, and your mobile phone is not the cheapest - but behave like the latest cheap stuff! If I were you, I would be offended, and I would seriously think about whether it is worth overpaying for the brand.
If a manufacturer wants to get big money for his products, he must for real take care of quality. I would not be offended if the bucket from my cheap Delfochka darkened in a year, or even peeled off in places. As in the old Soviet song: "What did you want for 30 kopecks in total?"
But if I pay two, three or four times more for a device than for unnamed counterparts, I will expect perfect work from it. And the appearance of the unit, I would also like to have a decent one in a year or two, and not tarnished, like that of a cheap woman (sorry for the incorrect comparison).
yara
The question is, FOR HOW MUCH a person can afford to buy something. If the funds do not allow me, then I am already purple, what is the quality there.
Pingvinus
The question is not even how much you can afford to buy the thing you like, but how much you want it. I know many people who live beyond their means, borrow money for the sake of their wishes, but hunting is worse than bondage, and everyone chooses to buy or not. But I am also in the camp of those who do not want a Cuckoo, although she is, in principle, within my means and my husband has repeatedly offered me to buy it. And I, oddly enough, adore cheap equipment and if it turns out to be bad then it does not upset me and I am ready for it, but more often it turns out just the opposite - cheap equipment works great and only strengthens me in the thought: "Why pay more" ... I bought my Scarlett for $ 32 and am extremely happy with her. For more than six months she has been plowing several times a day and still nothing burns in it and milk porridge, including oatmeal, does not run away.
I do not want to offend the owners of the Cuckoo, because it is really a very worthy unit and they praise it completely sincerely, but still I’d better buy a couple of the cheapest multicooker or pressure cooker and most likely I’ll be once again surprised by their good work, especially since even two multicooker is not enough for me, but buying 3 cuckoos is very expensive.
azaza
Quote: yara

The question is, FOR HOW MUCH a person can afford to buy something. If the funds do not allow me, then I am already purple, what is the quality.
Well, this is probably also a controversial issue. If I really needed it, I would tear 700 Baku off from me and buy this same Cook. However, I do not feel the need for it. Because the same functions as Kuku are successfully performed by my budget Dex and Lieber. To be fair: they do not perform all Cook's functions! But I prefer to pay for what I really need. And I just need a multicooker. I don't need fast and slow brewing. And if you need it, I’ll probably buy them separately from the cartoon. Because in separate devices, you can cook simultaneously and quickly and slowly (or normally). And secondly, if one unit fails, the second will work. If the vaunted Cuckoo flies, it will fly both fast and slow.
And further. Let's say I could buy myself one instead of two cartoons. Not Cook, let's say, but Panasonic. To start. For it is foolish to buy a toy for that kind of money, if you are not sure that it will turn out to be a completely useful acquisition. And that's how I bought HP, MV, and AG. Like a pig in a poke: fig knows if it will come in handy. Not useful - do not mind the thrown away money, because the budget. Well, if it comes in handy, and breaks, then next time I'll buy a real one.
And now I am sure: if any of the devices fails (mmm), I will change it again for a state employee. They demonstrate themselves very well in work, which cannot be said about branded devices.
On the one hand, the brands are great at work: Panasiki KhP and MV, Cook.But they also stand like rockets! OK, even if they are much more expensive for perfection. Perhaps, and I would consider such expenses profitable. But forgive me, is it possible to consider expensive devices inferior to analogs in anything? If you lost at least one point - you are no longer worth your money. My opinion is. Again, you can think each one according to his own measure licentiousness education logic.
What do we have in practice? Vaunted Panasiks bake bread wonderfully: carefully, tenderly, fluffy. At the same time, the bucket darkens after a year, after one and a half the coating will mercilessly climb, after two the bucket can be safely thrown away. And the new one, by the way, stands as a budget HP with a much more powerful bucket that does not darken in a year, and does not climb in a year and a half. Cartoon Panasik gorgeous cooks milk porridge and bakes muffins very delicately. At the same time, the saucepan is again very frail, but it costs more than some especially budgetary CF entirely. Moreover, the functionality of Panas-MV leaves much to be desired. Competitors have already stepped so far in the issue of multicooking, but Panas is on the cusp: he does not think to develop, he does not intend to improve the pots-buckets, to reduce the price - and do not dream. Like, the brand will take out. Well, yes, for the time being, you can ride the brand. But sooner or later the lafa will end. For, together with the brand for a lot of money, provide if not gorgeous functionality, then at least impeccability. But no. It just doesn't smell like perfection.
And here buyers are divided into two categories. No, three. One category cannot afford to pay huge sums of money for any quality device, so they don't even look at the brands at once, but look in the budgetary field. The second category, if desired, could pay off money for the Brand, but for their money they would like to get real quality, and most importantly - perfection. And since it doesn't smell like perfection nowadays, this buyer again turns his feet towards the budgetary field (not plowed, by the way! The choice is, if not huge, then quite significant!). But the third category of buyers thinks with brands. Like: if they managed to make a name for themselves on something, then they should bear the money. Let it be expensive, but not halam-balam!

I am very respectful of the first category: right! If there is no extra money, then this is not at all a reason to abandon the delights of civilization.
I myself belong to the second category. That is, if necessary, I can pay money for a wonderful device, but I value my money very dearly, and I expect to get something worthwhile for it. Which, alas, brands do not guarantee today. And if so, then I'm not on my way with them.
Well, the third category, apparently, does not value their money as dearly as the second, since they part with it so easily and without any guarantees.
Each of us is free to dispose of our money according to our own understanding. So let's not teach others wisdom, but let's just each live by his own mind. Well, sometimes share your thoughts out loud, but do not argue before a fight. Guys let's be friends!
yara
Quote: Pingvinus

The question is not even how much you can afford to buy the thing you like, but how much you want it. I know many people who live beyond their means, borrow money for the sake of their wishes

Credit to credit is different. If I pull this loan, I will take it, and if not, then please.
So again we run into the notorious "for how much" and "can I at all" I afford it.

Quote: azaza

And here buyers are divided into two categories. No, three. One category cannot afford to pay huge sums of money for any quality device, so they don't even look back at the brands at once, but look in the budgetary field.
I am very respectful of the first category: right! If there is no extra money, then this is not at all a reason to abandon the delights of civilization.
azazaAs statistics show, such people are unfortunately most ... For example, many of my neighbors from electrical engineering only have a TV and a washing machine from the 80s. But such people do not go to the forum either.because they don't even have a computer
Lozja
Tanya, how many bukfs, barely mastered. But I fully support every word.

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