Drinking water purifiers

I would like to choose the optimal cleaning system for a small family. I don’t want to mess around with installing large filters with osmosis. There is no trust in bottled water. Who produces how clean water?

I'll make a reservation right away. An osmosis filter produces cleaner water.
In my kitchen there is a large jug with an aquaphor filter. At the bottom is a layer of shungite (shungaita). Exposure for at least 6 hours. It turns out tasty and healthy.
In the spring, during the flood period, I defended the water to the jug so that the chlorine would come out and the dregs would settle.

Our family has been using the "Barrier" for many years. The water from it reminds me of spring water. It is very convenient to use it, since changing the filter is a matter of minutes. For a small family, it seems to me, the best option.

At home there is a Geyser filter of triple purification with silver, while the filters have not been changed, it has been in use for a year. Honestly, I don't understand anything about it. Under the sink, my husband attached this very filter, and mounted the tap in the sink. Filters can be changed. We drink water from this tap. At the dacha we use a Brita jug, I do not have time to change the filters. Next year we plan to install the Geyser there as well.

Our family has been using the "Barrier" for many years. The water from it reminds me of spring water. It is very convenient to use it, since changing the filter is a matter of minutes. For a small family, it seems to me that this is the best option.

And I have a Barrier Whatever they say about it, but I like it, the water is absolutely odorless and odorless, and there is no scale on the kettle

And I have a Barrier for the second year, before that I did not really like using Brita.

I have an Attol with reverse osmosis, I can assure you that it is great for a small family.

Previously, water was brought from nearby villages (clean zone)
Now they just forgot about the problem of canisters and water.

I advise everyone to accumulate filters with reverse osmosis, because there the purification goes literally to the molecules

If you don't like the empty taste of water, there are mineralizers, but I like it anyway

It cost us 5000r, installed it on its own, it has already paid off due to the fact that they used to specially go to fetch water outside the city

There used to be a Brit filter jug. If you change the filter in time, then the water is good, clean. But filters are quite expensive. For me, the main inconvenience was that the water was purified slowly, and even in a small family you need a lot of water at once - boil soup, boil potatoes and a kettle at the same time, or you expect guests. Now the filter is accumulative based on reverse osmosis. Very happy. The water is clean. There is no limescale on the kettle. After a long standing of boiled water in a glass jug, there is no sediment, turbidity, yellowness. There is always sufficient water, even if the water is temporarily turned off.

I would recommend osmosis. Everything else is a compromise.
The barrier filters out suspended matter and bleach, it is not able to filter out dissolved salts. Osmosis cleans up to H2O.
For $ 150 you can buy Chinese osmosis (from my parents). Cleans very well. I have an American TGI, there is no difference in cleaning. I checked the TDS with a device.
Objectively:
Tap water before cleaning 258 units.
After cleaning with a barrier (the jug is at work) 235 units.
Chinese osmosis 5 units
American 7 units

The TDS instrument analyzes the water based on the level of electrolytes in the water.
For more details, see the internet.

and our dad carries water from the pump room (artesian water) - we pour it into the kettle and make soups on it (everything for adults). We give the children Nikolskaya water (it seems to be good, as long as the hack is not strongly driven). among other things, we have a filter under the sink, double cleaning (ceramics and charcoal). this is quite decent water! of course, bleach will be felt, but where is my darling without it!
and initially we had a jug of aquaphor. also cleaned well, the main thing is to change the filter in time.now we just use a jug for filtered water, do not filter through it.
in general, it all depends on the primary source - what kind of water you need to purify. maybe you don't need a powerful cleanup!

We have a "Brit" jug, we change the cartridge every three months. Ma says he gives clean (tasting) water. True, I am not a fan of filtered water, and for myself personally (my husband also drinks from the filter) I just defend it from bleach (within 24 hours) and then boil it so that it boils for 20 minutes.
Compared to Yekaterinburg, Moscow, Kurgan, Novotroitsk, Chelyabinsk, Novokuznetsk (this is where I was, according to personal experience), we have better water. Tina does not smell, not red, although there is a lot of calcium in it - a layer of plaque on the teapot. And most of all I liked the water in Miass (there is a source of mineral water "Kurgazak", if anyone bought it).
At work, in the laboratory, the apparatus made distilled water - it had no taste and in the dishes it was somehow "not right" either.

We first used the Britta pitcher, and then switched to the Aquaphor pitcher. We also have a silver coin at the bottom of the jug. I don't know if there is any benefit from it. But...

I use the Aquaphor favorite filter. The cartridge lasts for 2-3 years, depending on the quality of the tap water.

I would recommend osmosis.
Tap water before cleaning 258 units.
American 7 units

I also have osmosis and the test results are absolutely identical.

Write in more detail where you can buy the OSMOS filter or how its full name is spelled correctly. I have long been interested in the topic of water purification. And at the same time, is it realistic to buy a TDS device.

Correct name: reverse osmosis system. In our province, they are sold even in grocery markets. And there are many points in the city. You can also buy TDS $ 30-70 there.
But for Kiev, an online store with delivery is better.

Sorry, but what is "osmosis" (not as a term, but in terms of water purification at home)? I am a "teapot" and do not know these nuances. Where can you read about it and how can IT be applied at home?

And further. Has anyone heard of the Hyacinth Coagulant Water Purifier? Your opinion?
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Sorry, but what is "osmosis" (not as a term, but in terms of water purification at home)? I am a "teapot" and do not know these nuances. Where can you read about it and how can IT be applied at home?

And further. Has anyone heard of the Hyacinth Coagulant Water Purifier? Your opinion?

Osmosis is the effect of the penetration of water molecules through the membrane from a slightly salted solution to a stronger one.
We are more interested in reverse osmosis - when, thanks to the pressure from the brine solution, pure water is squeezed out of the membrane.
At home it MUST be used!
Only after receiving PURE and almost distilled water, it must be slightly mineralized. Shungite, zeolites, shales, flint, clays - to our aid!

I read about Hyacinth. Probably not a bad thing. Toka is troublesome. I filled in the reagent, waited 12 hours, and then drained only the middle layer ...

Sorry, but what is "osmosis" (not as a term, but in terms of water purification at home)? I am a "teapot" and do not know these nuances. Where can you read about it and how can IT be applied at home?
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There will be a line in which you enter: "reverse osmosis systems" or simply "reverse osmosis".

There will be a line in which you enter: "reverse osmosis systems" or simply "reverse osmosis".

Thank you, search engines are very good and I have been able to use them for a long time ... But try it yourself and see what the search engines give out. This is somewhat different from what we are talking about here. Thanks again for the advice. Already figured it out.

At home it MUST be used!
Only after receiving PURE and almost distilled water, it must be slightly mineralized. Shungite, zeolites, shales, flint, clays - help us!

And don't we get minerals when we eat vegetables, cereals, meat, when we add herbs, etc.? Maybe I'm wrong, but each person needs different mineralizers and a doctor should select them, taking into account the acidity of the stomach and the state of human health. After all, mineral waters are not suitable for everyone. Perhaps it is much more important to structure the water after purification? It's fashionable now

In a nutshell, reverse osmosis gives water close to distillate purity.Physically it consists of a block of filters (3 large and 2-3 small, the size of a pair of "diplomats") and a storage tank with a volume of 10-15 liters. When filtering water, most of it is drained into the sewer. If there is insufficient pressure in the water supply system, it is necessary to additionally buy a pump that increases the pressure. Without a pump, he will not understand that the tank is full, and will pour water continuously.

I do not see the need for an additional mineralizer. But I took it with him, and when it is used up - I'll see it to taste.

Can a doctor choose a mineralizer? I doubt it. This is not mineral water at the outlet, but something at the level of spring water, and soft at that. That is, the concentration of salts there is only to restore the general natural level, not more.

Maybe you are right, but still I would not mineralize purified water, even to the level of spring water. There are two opinions on this: to mineralize and not to mineralize. When I was picking up a filter, I shoveled the entire Internet. The entire scientific world was divided on this issue 50 | 50. Here everyone must make their choice.
In my well at the dacha, crystal clear water, which does not precipitate throughout the whole season, has a TDS value of about 550 units.
The water is delicious, but is it healthy?

And don't we get minerals when we eat vegetables, cereals, meat, when we add herbs, etc.? Maybe I'm wrong, but each person needs different mineralizers and a doctor should select them, taking into account the acidity of the stomach and the state of human health. After all, mineral waters are not suitable for everyone. Perhaps it is much more important to structure the water after purification? It's fashionable now

We receive less. At the beginning of the 20th century, 70% deficiency of micronutrients was recorded in agricultural products obtained in the fields of the United States. Is it better now? And we have? And you? The same! Unfortunately, even raw vegetarians have to get some micronutrients and some amino acids.

I agree that everyone needs their own. But what is the childish point of view "let the doctor pick it up"? I am a doctor. And I am sad to state that official medicine does not cure with home mineralization of drinking water. But in vain. Healing mineral water will never be obtained at home (in a medical aspect). Mineralized water at home is suitable for everyone. And everyone must choose their own composition of stones. Intuition and personal taste for water will help you!

Well, since you are so advanced in structuring water ...
I didn't know ...
Shungite chips first of all structure water, and only then enrich it with microelements and fullerenes.

I appreciate your opinion, and I understand it because I have read a lot about it. Moreover, it is valuable to me since I am not strong in chemistry and medicine. But he followed the path of his friend, also a doctor, who tilted the bowl towards "against" mineralization. Anyway, thank you for the information. We'll keep thinking. And it takes 30 seconds to put the mineralizer. time, and it costs a penny.

Mineralization is different. And EVERYONE, in principle, needs different water. For example, in women after 50, the so-called osteoporosis develops almost en masse - this is a significant decrease in bone strength (and corresponding diseases) due to a violation of calcium metabolism, associated, among other things, with hormonal changes. It is clear that they need more calcium and demineralized water is not an assistant here, but an enemy. But the husband of such a woman may have exactly the opposite picture - the development of osteochondrosis or urolithiasis due to excessive deposition of calcium salts. That kind of water would not hurt him. So - everything is poison, and everything is medicine, as either Hippocrates, or Paracelsus, or some other Avicenna used to say. Therefore, visiting a smart doctor, doing tests and other studies - to put it mildly, does not interfere at all. Otherwise, by installing a demineralization unit, you, in principle, run the risk of worsening your wife's health. Or not putting it on - to harm your health.

Otherwise, by installing a demineralization unit, you, in principle, run the risk of worsening your wife's health. Or not putting it on - to harm your health.

That's how I knew. All troubles are from these women.
But seriously, I haven't found shungite chips for reverse osmosis systems anywhere. Maybe someone has seen, or will you tell me other water structurers? Personally, I have met BlueFiltr cartridges with Grander water and bioceramics. Doesn't inspire confidence.

I have a 5-stage osmosis filter. It stands under the sink in the kitchen, does not drain anything, no extra. he does not need a pump. The capacity for clean water is 8 liters, I change the cartridges one by one, the central membrane has been serving for about 5 years (instead of three at the rate).
A lot of happiness!

I beg your pardon Admin, but you were either cruelly deceived, or all the same, you did not finish the drain into the sewer. Osmosis cannot function without it. It is usually made with the same thin tube as other connections. But there are filters similar to reverse osmosis. And what about the pump, then it is needed only with insufficient pressure. I don't have it either.

Well. you are my friend, and bent!

I have a 5-stage osmosis filter. It stands under the sink in the kitchen, does not drain anything, no extra. he does not need a pump. The capacity for clean water is 8 liters, I change the cartridges one by one, the central membrane has been serving for about 5 years (instead of three at the rate).
A lot of happiness!

Please clarify what I bent.
About the additional pump - read carefully, it is needed only if there is insufficient pressure in the water supply.

So do you have a drain or not? You say no, then say what you have. If not, then it interests me. Saving water is truly a revolutionary step forward.

Zepter's presentation is made in the worst traditions - not a word about connection, but a lot of "buy our elephants". With lies about the fact that pitcher filters do not filter out heavy metals.

What does "automatic osmosis" mean? He does not need control. There are osmotic systems without a storage tank, but they are much more expensive.

Saving water is truly a revolutionary step forward.

Guys, bring the drainage tube of the filter (unless of course the kitchen is near the toilet) into the toilet tank, and adjust the native float to a low water level. Drainage water is quite suitable for "these purposes".

And about a good or bad Zepter filter ...
It's like with bread makers, regardless of your brand and model, if you have one, then the best model is yours.
When they were choosing which reverse osmosis filter to supply to their parents (in Vologda, tap water cannot be used), we found out an interesting point. Comparing filters of the same complete set produced by Zepter with other foreign companies, the price difference was (2005) from 30 to 80%. Someone has to pay for network marketing. And this "someone" is a buyer.

Guys, bring the drainage tube of the filter (unless, of course, the kitchen is near the toilet) into the toilet tank, and adjust the native float to a low water level. Drainage water is quite suitable for "these purposes".

Really. I did not think of "adjust to a low level".
Pat the idea, it's worth it
Of course, it will not save all the water, as it would be with a hydraulic tank or an additional drive, but already something with minimal costs for hardware upgrades and software changes in the parameters of the toilet driver.

Really. I did not think of "adjust to a low level".
Pat the idea, it's worth it
Of course, it will not save all the water, as it would be with a hydraulic tank or an additional drive, but already something with minimal costs for hardware upgrades and software changes in the parameters of the toilet driver.

I did not regulate the level. I have a drain hose from the washing machine in the tank.Detergents in the drain water keep this sanitary ware in a state of constant crystal cleanliness.

I had a thought about the washing machine.
But I have a kitchen (where a washing machine lives and an osmotic filter could live) and a toilet in opposite parts of the apartment.

The lower the valve is adjusted, the less often (less) water is taken from the water supply.

By the way. In some Japanese public toilets, the water from the sink goes first to the flush cisterns.
And in China (in the coastal provinces), untreated seawater enters the flush cisterns.

It looks like the topic should be renamed into "who saves water like?"

I had a thought about the washing machine.
But I have a kitchen (where a washing machine lives and an osmotic filter could live) and a toilet in opposite parts of the apartment.

The lower the valve is adjusted, the less often (less) water is taken from the water supply.

By the way. In some Japanese public toilets, the water from the sink goes first to the flush cisterns.
And in China (in the coastal provinces), untreated seawater enters the flush cisterns.

It looks like the topic should be renamed into "who saves water like?"

On my Japanese toilet (or rather, in the cistern), it was possible to connect the drain from the sink or from the washing machine to the cistern, which the documentation proudly reported. Which I took advantage of. Saving water and chemicals is less.
... But as for the water treatment system, the drainage of water (due to its mineralization) theoretically can easily give deposits of salts, including iron (yellowness) on the sanitary ware.

Is anyone familiar with this product:
"Electrothermos-activator" Vlada "of the Vladivostok plant Dalpribor - a source of healthy water - is intended for the preparation of activated liquids at home. Liquids activated with the help of an activator, in their performance not only do not differ from the healing water of natural sources, but also significantly surpass it in their useful properties "?

Is anyone familiar with this product:
"Electrothermos-activator" Vlada "of the Vladivostok plant Dalpribor - a source of healthy water - is intended for the preparation of activated liquids at home. Liquids activated with the help of an activator, in their performance not only do not differ from the healing water of natural sources, but also significantly surpass it in their useful properties "?

Look directly at the manufacturer's website. And also use GOOGLE by searching by the name of the unit and the word "FORUM".

I read about water activators ...
IMHO, this is from the category of "Retona erases cleanly!".
And all the effects from it are rather self-hypnosis of deceived buyers.
Sorry, but 7700 for a thermos ... a little too much.

And another interesting point. One of the sources says that such water cannot be heated by email. stove and put in the refrigerator - he is afraid of electromagnetic fields like fire. And some write that you can cook EVERYTHING on it, while others write that you can only take it as a medicine, in limited quantities.

And the most uninteresting - it has an ALKALINE taste.
Nafiknado.

I read about water activators ...
IMHO, this is from the category of "Retona erases cleanly!".
And all the effects from it are rather self-hypnosis of deceived buyers.
Sorry, but 7700 for a thermos ... a little too much.

And another interesting point. One of the sources says that such water cannot be heated by email. stove and put in the refrigerator - he is afraid of electromagnetic fields like fire. And some write that you can cook EVERYTHING on it, while others - that you can only take it as a medicine, in limited quantities.

And the most uninteresting - it has an ALKALINE taste.
Nafiknado.

I think it is worthwhile to understand in more detail. See answer link # 42.
And the alkaline taste is found in many BEST and MOST USEFUL mineral waters. The change in the molecular structure of water under the influence of cavitation was also experimentally confirmed, which changed the pH of the water.

+1000 !!!!!!!

Ultrasonic cleaners ("washing machines") have been and are used in microelectronics, dentistry and other industries for a long time, a couple of decades. The fact that a household gadget appeared is ONLY explained by the reduction in the cost of components to the limit, including thanks to the Chinese. Not any "new discovery." It is not new. But really, it may well work.

As for the purity of ultrasonic washing itself, WASHING itself in general, as a PROCESS, often includes soaking, washing itself as a hydromechanical, chemical and thermal effect on fabric and dirt, as well as rinsing processes - that is, removing dirt by diluting a washing solution - (mud suspension) in water and partial replacement of clean water.

It should be understood that ultrasonic "washing machines" provide ONLY hydromechanical action, to a small extent chemical, and to a certain extent microthermal, but they cannot rinse. Wash something they wash it off. But you need to remove dirt with the same rinse.


In general, it is worth spitting on any information about the invention only after a LITERATIVE study and at least a logical analysis.

As for the actual cleanliness of ultrasonic washing ...

I read some time ago that some scientists - fighters against "obscurantism" conducted a series of experiments to assess the effectiveness of "washing" Retona.
So that's it. Two similarly dirty things lay in identical basins with the same powder, but Retona was placed in one basin.
The result in both cans is the same.
That is, the whole "efficiency" of Retona was that if you put a dirty rag in water with powder (or even without it), part of the dirt will dissolve anyway and the thing will be cleaner than it was. But WITHOUT Retona, there will be exactly the same effect.
But this is already off-top.

And on the topic of clean and healthy water, I have the following to say.
Yesterday I was presented with a silver figurine, such a figurine on a chain for enriching water with silver ions. Of course, the water itself should already be drinkable.

I read some time ago that some scientists - fighters against "obscurantism" conducted a series of experiments to assess the effectiveness of "washing" Retona.
So that's it. Two similarly dirty things lay in identical basins with the same powder, but Retona was placed in one basin.
The result in both cans is the same.
That is, the whole "efficiency" of Retona was that if you put a dirty rag in water with powder (or even without it), part of the dirt will dissolve anyway and the thing will be cleaner than it was. But WITHOUT Retona, there will be exactly the same effect.

Ultrasonic cleaners ("washing machines") have been and are used in microelectronics, dentistry and other industries for a long time, a couple of decades. The fact that a household gadget appeared is ONLY explained by the reduction in the cost of components to the limit, including thanks to the Chinese. Not any "new discovery." It is not new. But really, it may well work.
As for the "fighters against obscurantism," their task has always been to detect obscurantism. Even if it's not there.

Ultrasonic cleaners ("washing machines") have been and are used in microelectronics, dentistry and other industries for a long time, a couple of decades. The fact that a household gadget appeared is ONLY explained by the reduction in the cost of components to the limit, including thanks to the Chinese. Not any "new discovery." It is not new. But really, it may well work.
As for the "fighters against obscurantism," their task has always been to detect obscurantism. Even if it's not there.

Exactly so - they are very widely used.
I once worked in the Service Center and we had an ultrasound bath for washing boards and components ... Small.

And when retonas and other volcanoes appeared, people tried to compare the retona in terms of power with that very not very powerful and SMALL bath.
A banal sock was washed off. 1 piece.

It turned out that retona is just a round piece on the wiring
Which supposedly has to wash the BATH or BASIN of linen
Do not make me laugh.
PS: I wrote about RETONS and you - about industrial ultrasound baths.
The essence is different things.
There can be only one thing in the fabulous reduction in the cost of components - the absence of components.

I think it is worth looking into more details. See answer link # 42.
And the alkaline taste is found in many BEST and MOST USEFUL mineral waters.

I followed that link and read everything. And I found a few more similar things. And manufacturers of similar products.
If you do not count those sites that are welded on the sale of books such as "How to be treated with living water, drinking urine with it" and "Drink water correctly - and your money will return to you", then the information is very, very eeeeee dubious.

It is very reminiscent of Chizhevsky's Chandeliers and discs "help from torsion fields."

Dregs and wiring.
The site of the Ukrainian developer of the AP-1 water activator is more credible, for some reason. Less enthusiasm and more to the point. In addition, they also developed a water disinfection system for clinics.
Although their product looks less flashy, but for some reason I believe that with its help you can get half a glass of this anionic water.
Just nafik it to me? You don't know what to drink (a product of electrolysis?) And the reason is that some virtual indicator is -400 there?
No, really.

I think it is worth understanding in more detail. See answer link # 42.
And the alkaline taste is found in many BEST and MOST USEFUL mineral waters.

Mineral waters - contain minerals
And where do they come from in tap water right away?

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I do not have an "ultrasonic washing machine", I have never used it, I have not seen how it works, I have nothing to do with them.

But what are you talking about HERE? About the inefficiency of ultrasonic washing in general ???

Or about the work of devices specific type? Or quality individual copies ultrasonic washing machines?

I know for certain that ULTRASONIC CLEANING is an economical and highly effective type of cleaning widely used in industry. But what is being sold now can be of different quality of development, manufacture, be used correctly or incorrectly. LIKE ANY THING. And the result may be DIFFERENT.
I am sure that in many cases, on "correct" devices, correctly designed and manufactured with good quality, ultrasonic washing can and should be used with benefit in everyday life.

By analogy, now you are arguing that bread makers cannot bake bread. But many people bake! If SOME HP is NOT BAKED, then this is only a consequence of the poor quality of development, manufacturing, etc.
And now with regard to the electrolytic dissociation of water. If there is a change in the molecular structure of water, then there will be a change in the effect of such water on a living organism. Will it be useful, and in what cases it will be, if it will be - I was not interested. But the fact that it is possible to change the structure of water, and the fact that "changed" water will have a DIFFERENT effect compared to unchanged water - this fact is known to me, and its logic is justified. If someone ventured to throw money into the release of such a unit, then most likely he studied this action.

What are you all about now?
The topic of ultrasound devices was raised by you. I gave an example of retona - as an unreliable advertisement, nothing more.

How do you imagine a change in the MOLECULAR structure of water?
water - H2O and EVERYTHING. Everything else is not water.

H2O is a water molecule. Change it and get anything but water.

Look, I get it. You are an amateur, sorry, so you believe in anything and anything ... It's your right.

I spoke here on the same rights as you.
Well, you can continue to fence open heresy with a smart face.
Sorry again.

["Interesting results were obtained in the study of the luminescence of distilled water. Its excitation spectrum has maxima at 280 and 310 nm, the emission spectrum at 360 and 410 nm. The luminescence intensity depends from the time of storage of water (Does it cease to be water during storage, or, on the contrary, becomes it? - my comment), as well as from small impurities, sometimes having their own luminescence. Judging by the luminescence spectra, the structure of water becomes equilibrium only a few days after the preparation of solutions. Its change during this time can be monotonic or oscillatory. The luminescence intensity turned out to be sensitive to the action of weak electromagnetic fields. The response of aqueous solutions to an external field depends on the state of the solution at the moment the field is turned on and is maximal when the system is far from equilibrium. ... Some researchers generally believe that water is a single structure (like a crystal), and when any substance dissolves in it, peculiar "defects" appear, which persist for a long time in solutions of arbitrarily low concentration. "]

What are you all about now?
The topic of ultrasound devices was raised by you. I gave an example of retona - as an unreliable advertisement, nothing more.

How do you imagine a change in the MOLECULAR structure of water?
water - H2O and EVERYTHING. Everything else is not water.

H2O is a water molecule. Change it and get anything but water.

Look, I get it. You are an amateur, sorry, so believe in anything and anything ... It's your right.

I spoke here on the same rights as you.
Well, you can continue to fence open heresy with a smart face.
Sorry again.

Yes, you can explain it in a simpler way ... Even in a school chemistry textbook there is clear information about hydrogen bonds. It is they who form the molecular structure of water, which depends on their type and quantity, and can change. They also determine the properties of water.

Pure water is a very poor conductor of electricity, but still
possesses measurable electrical conductivity, which is explained by
small dissociation of water into hydrogen ions and hydroxide ions. What is pH? This is minus the logarithm of the hydrogen ion concentration. In pure water, pH = 7, i.e., the concentration of free H + ions and free OH- ions is 10 ^ (- 7) mol per liter. This is a purely dynamic value, which is obtained because in water under normal conditions the dissociation of water molecules into H + OH- ions and their reunification constantly occurs. So, the treatment of water as an electrolyte CAN change its properties.

By Elena Borisovna Burlakova, Doctor of Biological Sciences, Professor, Laureate of the State Prize, Deputy Director, Head of the Laboratory of the Institute of Biochemical Physics. N. M. Emanuelya (IBCP RAS).

"Interesting results were obtained in the study of the luminescence of distilled water. Its excitation spectrum has maxima at 280 and 310 nm, the emission spectrum at 360 and 410 nm. The luminescence intensity depends from the time of storage of water (Does it cease to be water during storage, or, on the contrary, becomes it? - my comment), as well as from small impurities, sometimes having their own luminescence. Judging by the luminescence spectra, the structure of water becomes equilibrium only a few days after the preparation of solutions. Its change during this time can be monotonic or oscillatory. The luminescence intensity turned out to be sensitive to the action of weak electromagnetic fields. The response of aqueous solutions to an external field depends on the state of the solution at the moment the field is turned on and is maximal when the system is far from equilibrium. ... Some researchers generally believe that water is a single structure (like a crystal), and when any substance dissolves in it, peculiar "defects" appear, which persist for a long time in solutions of arbitrarily low concentration. "
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As for the high price of that product, why are you not outraged that some microcircuit containing 5 grams of silicon, 0.0007 grams of gold, 10 grams of copper and other metals costs several hundred dollars, although the material in it is already 30 cents ??? Or why does the disc of "Pesnyarov", "Syabrov" or "Verasov" cost 7 dollars, although there is a penny plastic 20 grams, on which a layer of aluminum of several tens of atoms is sprayed, and a scrap of paper for a label?

Here is the site of a French company that recently released a fully functional household washing machine that washes without "powder", ORDINARY dissociated water. 🔗 It costs about 1000 Euro, but because it is made of anti-allergenic materials, it looks like a traditional one, rinsing and wringing out the laundry by itself. The characteristics correspond to conventional machines: energy consumption / washing / spinning - A / A / B.

Summary:

1) the ultrasonic washing machine CAN completely wash.

2) A Vladivostok thermos MAY completely affect the structure of water, and it (this water) MAY have a positive effect on health. I think that the people who came up with this "thermos" and made it have the conclusions of the Ministry of Health, otherwise they would be criminally liable.

I've spent some time preparing this answer. But I did it because I am ALWAYS responsible for my words and therefore I can ALWAYS confirm them.

Sorry, but self-confidence, amazing "logic" like "every herring is a fish, so every fish is a herring", heavy gaps in knowledge, including school knowledge, and exorbitant aplomb top the list of your qualities. It is precisely these qualities that characterize an amateur who for a long time (and precisely for this reason) remained in this status, because every person IS an amateur (having a superficial idea) at one time or another in his life. But CONSTANTLY wearing this proud title does not fall out to everyone.

Summary:

1) the ultrasonic washing machine CAN completely wash.

2) A Vladivostok thermos MAY completely affect the structure of water, and it (this water) MAY have a positive effect on health. I think that the people who came up with this "thermos" and made it have the conclusions of the Ministry of Health, otherwise they would be criminally liable.

I've spent some time preparing this answer. But I did it because I am ALWAYS responsible for my words and therefore I can ALWAYS confirm them.

Sorry, but self-confidence, amazing "logic" like "every herring is a fish, so every fish is a herring", heavy gaps in knowledge, including school knowledge, and exorbitant aplomb top the list of your qualities. It is precisely these qualities that characterize an amateur who for a long time (and precisely for this reason) remained in this status, because every person IS an amateur (having a superficial idea) at one time or another in his life. But CONSTANTLY wearing this proud title does not fall out to everyone.

I like your logic, by God you bring articles that are completely unrelated to the subject of discussion, and only in order to prove to me that I am wrong

If they are not in jail, then everything they sell is working.
This is a simple pearl! Reminds the famous - "If a person is in prison, then he is guilty! Otherwise, why is he there?"

The conclusion of the Ministry of Health looks like this for sure:
"The water treated in the product does not bring any harm." And that's all.

I do not argue that I am an amateur. But, excuse me, all these "very technological know-how" are designed specifically for amateurs and below that is, for dark uneducated people who believe in all sorts of nonsense.

Therefore, I repeat again - you can believe what you want, even in aliens and crop circles that cure cancer.
But I will stick with it. And I will defend my position.
You found the 90s, when such "inventions" were carried on by herds, collecting an advance payment from gullible people?

Admit it, the anti-torsion disk is near the monitor? Yes? Or did they just get by with cacti?

I am satisfied.

For this, it was not necessary to write so much text that is not related to the subject of discussion.
So I would tell you that I am an amateur who does not believe in miracles and "charged creams" and basins of water.

Let's talk about the "silver ions" in the tub of washing machines?

Better to throw a silver coin into a jug of drinking water - it will be more useful!