Help with choosing a bread machine

I have never seen malt in us in the city, and my parents will definitely not go to Kiev for it. It is not a problem to buy different flours. I mean, is it possible to replace some of the white flour with some other variety or rye. Will the bread work?

I have never seen malt in us in the city, and my parents will definitely not go to Kiev for it. It is not a problem to buy different flours. I mean, is it possible to replace some of the white flour with some other variety or rye. Will the bread work?

Try to look for malt in grocery markets (inexpensively) and you will also find flour there (Zhytnyaya from 5 gr. Per kg.) Malt can rarely be found in stores in Kiev.

Vanilla, there is an opportunity to order, like even mail. Look around, ask around in regional topics. What if it turns out that malt is within your reach?
here is the Kiev subsection https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&board=83.0
And you can replace wheat rye up to certain proportions. As a last resort (when replacing more than 50%), now all ovens have programs for separately kneading dough and baking separately.

Dear bakers! Please advise a good stove .. There are no restrictions on money. Choice between the following models (considering several forum topics read in part):

1. Panasonic: 255, 256, 257 (from time to time there are new or almost new ones on sale on Avito, then new ones on some sites, I found out - it's real to buy), 2501, 2502. It may be that the old models of stoves are just the most problem-free and are they better than the new models?
By the way, just a question - I read about frequent marriage with a creak of a stirrer and a breaking dispenser and now I think - maybe this will not happen in the European SD-ZB2502BXE? Maybe it would make sense to order a European model? Maybe it won't be so difficult to adapt to slightly different programs?

2. Bork X800 wrote here that if you do not consider the price, this is also a good bread maker. True, several reviews about the lack of flour on the edges of the form, the peeling coating of the mixer, the uneven shape of the loaf, and a few more nuances, are embarrassing ... There are several options to buy this stove on Avito cheaper in a new state. But, I repeat, I can even pull the "store" price calmly. It's just that I'm still a beginner - you never know I will not like this process at all ... And decent money is thrown away ...

3. Zojirushi Breadmaker (I have just started studying the forum about it) I can't say anything about it yet.

4. KENWOOD BM 450, but in this version I like the design itself and do not like the forum on it with its some "sores" (a leaking bucket will soon, etc.).

Initially, guided by the reviews, I tuned in to one of Panasonic, or rather 2502 (I like stainless steel visually), but after reading about a common marriage I thought about it ... There is neither time nor desire to run around service centers ...

As I already wrote, I am a complete layman in the field of baking. Therefore, I want that after studying the initial nuances, bread (according to fairly simple recipes) always turns out. Not burnt, would have a beautiful shape. And most importantly - it would be delicious (I read that it is in Panas that it turns out tastier for some reason. Or am I wrong?)
Loafs most likely should be of medium size - we have a family of only 3 people ...
The plans are mainly white bread, sweet bread, white bread with additives, I would like to try rye (including custard) with various fillings. As I understand it for beginners, Panasonic is ...

But if there are ovens that are not inferior to Panasonic in terms of the quality of the resulting bread (and especially in taste) and do not require special dances with a tambourine, please tell me.
Regarding doughs, sourdoughs, dry yeast, pressed yeast, I haven't really read anything about it yet and I can't say what will ultimately prevail in my daily baking ...
For now, you just want a good stove, so that later you can "fill" your hand and, perhaps, start experimenting ... Please advise me ... Again, the price is not important.

[Marihuna]

Marihuna Panasonic: 255, 257 If you find one that is not killed, this is probably the best option.

That is, all the same old models give "odds" to new ones? Why are they better?
I haven't read about them yet, but what is the fundamental difference between 255 and 257? And why did you strike 256 off the list?

255 and 257 are twins. Differences only in the coating of the bucket and stirrers). The same applies to the 254 - twin 256. Models 255/257 have a dispenser, a rye program and a dumplings dough program. 254/256 doesn't have them.

There have been no problems with creaky Panasonic lately. They mainly referred to the 2500 and 2501 models. As far as I remember, the 2502 did not suffer from this. If there are no real financial difficulties and there is an opportunity to order a "European", I would be guided by it. There seems to be a program for sweet bread. Only there is no "dumplings dough" in it. Otherwise, as far as I know, in terms of functionality, it is much better than the CIS.

Only I have little idea where you can find an unused normal stove now 257

Yesterday I read a thread about breakdowns 2502 - just recently there were a lot of reviews about it.
Where is the European 2502 better in terms of functionality? And is it possible to use recipes from this site intended for the CIS 2502 in it? The programs are a little different, as I understood ... And I have a suspicion that the European one can also show this "marriage", but you can't return it to the store ... Just a few buy it on this forum. Here is little information ..

And I saw the unused 257 in several online stores and you can also look at Avito - sometimes people have such rarities idle, and then they try to get rid of them ...
And in what way is 257 more preferable than 2502? There are even fewer programs, if I'm not mistaken ...

And where is the coverage better at 255 or at 257?

[Marihuna]

Marihuna 257 black coating is better.

[Problems and breakdowns of Panasonic bread makers]

Yesterday I read a thread about breakdowns 2502 - as there have been a lot of reviews about her recently.
Where is the European 2502 better in terms of functionality? And is it possible to use the recipes from this site intended for the CIS 2502 in it? The programs are a little different, as I understood ... And I have a suspicion that the European one can also show this "marriage", but you can't return it to the store ... Just a few buy it on this forum. Here is little information ...

Breakdown is still a situation when the stove does not perform its functions. The creak is hardly a breakdown. Ask a question in the profile topic, they will tell you more precisely who solved this issue and how. Problems and breakdowns of Panasonic bread makers

In terms of functionality, the "European" can be better due to the programs "Italian", "sandwich" and "brioche" (the latter is for sweet yeast dough). In any case, if I have to think about purchasing a new bread machine, I will look for an opportunity to buy 2501 "European". I can do without "dumplings".

Most of the recipes are suitable for all ovens (both CIS and European). Here is a sweet dough in SNGovskih models 254-257 hard to bake - obtained "negrityata" (for sweet dough need lower baking temperature). We get out of the situation, set the minimum weight and light crust. Well, etc.

"Italian", "sandwich" and "brioche" (the latter is for sweet yeast dough). In any case, if I have to think about purchasing a new bread machine, I will look for an opportunity to buy 2501 "European". I can do without "dumplings".

And I will buy only with dumplings dough Because I don’t need "brioche" for nothing And sometimes we still make dumplings

And I will buy only dumplings with dumplings, sometimes we still sculpt

Right! I ruined a bucket in Kenwood 450, making dumplings, but there is no such program and it was probably hard to interfere with it.

And I will buy only with dumplings dough Because I don’t need "brioche" for nothing And sometimes we still make dumplings

This is exactly why a bread maker without kneading dumplings dough (or for dumplings)? A very useful function.

And I will buy only with dumplings dough Because I don’t need "brioche" for nothing And sometimes we still make dumplings

You see, everyone has their own troubles (I just "drove" my horse with dumplings - they were repairing it). In general, 255 models are enough for me. Sweet pastries are desirable for me simply because the oven is not the best, but somehow it has become a good baking lately, apparently I felt that I was looking for a replacement.Therefore, I rarely bake sweet pies in a bread machine (but there was a real need in the summer heat - at ovens, like open-hearth)

The fact of the matter is that I do not want to think about contacting various SCs about the creak and other PRINCIPLE. And I'm not entirely interested in the information about who and how solved this problem, because I want to avoid it already at the stage of choosing a stove model .. Therefore, I consider it inappropriate to contact the profile branch. I don't want to play a lottery called "What if you get a normal 2502".
I'm interested in the question - the European 2502 can also be with such a marriage or is it a "specificity" of only Russian modifications?

And yet which is preferable to pay attention to 257 or 2502 And why.
Why is the older 257 better (or worse)?

And the question is, I’m looking for it and I just can’t stumble upon information about what else the European 2502 differs from the Russian 2502. I remember I saw it briefly somewhere, but the information was sooo little and I can’t find that .. Can someone share a reference or experience?

As for kneading dough for dumplings and dumplings, we practically never made them. But there is a Kenwood kitchen machine that I think can handle this process. By the way, is there a difference between kneading in a kitchen machine and in a bread maker? Where is it preferable?

"Poke" my nose where to read and buy a European Panasonic.

[Galina Byko]

Galina Byko European SD-2500WXC / SD-2501WXC / SD-ZB2502BXC https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=197192.0

The fact of the matter is that I do not want to think about contacting various SCs about the creak and other PRINCIPLE. And I'm not entirely interested in the information about who and how solved this problem, because I want to avoid it already at the stage of choosing a stove model .. Therefore, I consider it inappropriate to contact the profile branch. I don’t want to play a lottery called "What if you get a normal 2502".
I'm interested in the question - the European 2502 can also be with such a marriage or is it a "specificity" of only Russian modifications?
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Don't want to communicate in the profile thread with those who have real experience of dealing with modern Panasonic? You are welcome. This is your right and your decision.

NOBODY will give you any one hundred percent guarantees, not even Rosstrakh. IN PRINCIPLE ... The risk of "getting" is with any bread maker. Even with the purchase of a 255/257 model. Think about which copies could remain unclaimed for two and a half years after updating the lineup? This is despite the fact that there was a long period on the territory of the CIS when there were almost no Panasonic on the market, they were scattered very quickly.

[Just ask your questions, they will answer you.]

ahhh is it all 113 pages to read?
Okay ... I'll try ... I was hoping that there would be a link to a specific page ...

there are 113 pages of the THIRD volume ... the previous two are also one hundred pages.

Just ask your questions, they will answer you.

Good morning! Girls, boys! Which bread maker should Binaton2169 or Dex707 choose? I don’t need two buckets, I can do with one. I would like to knead the dough well, and bake is not bad.And can you tell me something else from other firms? in the fall, the children bought Orion 204 (they took it for finance), but they are not very happy, the top crust is not fried at all. So I don't want to get stuck.

Vera, did the children cover the window in Orion with foil? This usually solves the unbaked crust problem instantly.

I don't think they knew that. Thanks for the advice! and cover from the inside or outside?

I don't think they knew that. Thanks for the advice! and cover from the inside or outside?

Take a piece of foil the size of the HP window or a little larger, put it on the HP cover over the window with the shiny reflective side inside the stove (it reflects the heat better), and put a towel and an oven mitt on top. This is how my problem was solved, I didn’t come up with it myself, but read it somewhere on the forum. Works!

Crawled out of the multicooker
Vera, I'm not an advisor in this topic ... Although I don't really trust Dex, I probably would have taken him. I also like the Gorenje 900 AL, the same plan, the same price category.
My husband and I more than 4 years ago thought about buying a bread maker. He's not chasing brands, unlike me ... We went to ATB, there was an action on Klatronics - 320 hryvnia. it seems, or something like that ... For all that, in those days, the price minimum was 500 UAH ... I thought, everything, butted ... But! Clathronic still makes me happy. I don't know what the expensive models of bread makers do magic there, this one has 12 functions, it does everything with a bang!
True, now only in it I knead any dough, bake in the oven ... but I am very pleased with this technique! But at that time it was collected in Germany, although the Brand was not promoted, cheap ... now, probably, like all-Chinese, I don't know how it will work

My husband and I more than 4 years ago thought about buying a bread maker. He's not chasing brands, unlike me ... We went to ATB, there was an action on Klatronics - 320 hryvnia. it seems, or something like that ... For all that, in those days, the price minimum was 500 hryvnias ... I thought that was it, they were butted ... But! Clathronic still makes me happy. I don't know what the expensive models of bread makers do magic there, this one has 12 functions, it does everything with a bang!
True, now only in it I knead any dough, bake in the oven ... but I am very pleased with this technique! But at that time it was collected in Germany, although the Brand was not promoted, cheap ... now, probably, like all-Chinese, I don't know how it will work

I've also taken an inexpensive Scarlet and I'm very happy. But as far as I know, everyone here advises Panasonic.

Thank you girls for responding! yara, and which model is Sarlett?

There is also a budget option Delfa DBM-938 (an exact copy of my clatronica bba2605). We bought such a mother-in-law ... I took her in the end, tested it. It copes with its functions, the bread bakes well (there were no non-baked goods), the only minus is that the dough on dumplings kneads very tightly ...

Thank you girls for responding! yara, and which model is Sarlett?

At my bottom in the technique it is written, Scarlet 400. Go to this topic, the bread maker is good, so far no one has complained
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=123935.0

I will definitely look! I didn't choose the right one yet, I looked at the power, I thought the more powerful the better

Hello everyone! Upcoming holidays! Please tell me who can. I choose a bread maker, it is very similar to the 6002, only this is the Moulinex 6121. I am concerned about the question, is there a possibility in 6002 to simply raise the yeast dough, so that later it can be pulled out without baking ?! Please answer the owners of the mules !!

yasusha, as far as I know, this mode is in all bread makers, even in the most budget ones. Dough is called / kneading dough. More specifically, I won't tell you about moulinex

Hello everyone! Upcoming holidays! Please tell me who can. I choose a bread maker, it is very similar to the 6002, only this is the Moulinex 6121. I am concerned about the question, is there a possibility in 6002 to simply raise the yeast dough, so that later it can be pulled out without baking ?! Please answer the owners of the mules !!

Of course have. The bread maker kneads and stands the dough on the "Yeast dough" program, then take it out and bake what and where you want.

What model of bread maker is better to choose?
Basic requirements for it:
-reliability
- so that you can bake any bread without unnecessary problems
- simplicity and ease of use
Thank you in advance!

Which model of bread maker is better to choose?
Basic requirements for it:
-reliability
- so that you can bake any bread without unnecessary problems
- simplicity and ease of use
Thank you in advance!

Your requirements fit almost every bread maker. Even in the most budgetary bread maker, you can bake bread simply, conveniently and without unnecessary problems.
You go shopping, look, feel and you will definitely like something

Decide on the amount that you are ready to spend on HP, and it will immediately become easier. In the appropriate price category, you will choose.
If this is not a matter of principle, then look at the results of a poll among members of the forum - Panasonic always leads, they also come in different prices, you can choose.

Decide on the amount that you are ready to spend on HP, and it will immediately become easier. In the appropriate price category, you will choose.
If this is not a matter of principle, then look at the results of a poll among members of the forum - Panasonic always leads, they also come in different prices, you can choose.

As I understand it, the best Panasonic is 2502. Then someone wrote that the alleged European model is more reliable. It's true? Where in the Moscow region can you buy a European model and what mark does it have?

By the way, if I buy a bread maker, how necessary are the scales? Which model should you prefer?

By the way, if I buy a bread maker, how necessary are the scales? Which model should you prefer?

I have four scales of different brands (one with a removable glass, the other with a bowl, etc.), so I gradually bought them and use them all. And all are good, they work for a long time. The main thing is to choose so that it is convenient for you to weigh on them and that the error is not more than 1 g. But the bread maker needs to be selected ... Yes, I am also for Panasonic 2502 or any other. It is reliable. Just keep in mind that there is no "Pelmeni" mode in the European.

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As I understand it, the best Panasonic is 2502. Then someone wrote that the alleged European model is more reliable. It's true? Where in the Moscow region can you buy a European model and what mark does it have?

not at all. Panasonic 2501 is in the lead. Just 2502 has a stainless steel design and add. the part is a yeast dispenser, which is frankly unnecessary. It is difficult to say that the "European" is better. It differs from "CIS" in a set of programs (no dumpling dough, there is brioche, Italian and sandwich).

"European" - SD-ZB 2502BXE
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Dear Forum users !!! Thank you all very much for the information !!!
You helped me a lot in choosing HP, although I was able to master only 33 pages in this topic. I read the forum for a week and only today registered to say THANK YOU !!!
All with the Coming !!! Let everyone bake the best healthy bread !!! Health to you and your loved ones !!!

Presented somewhere 2 years ago, a mulinex bakery, there was a breakdown in
elektronke, most likely the simister flew out, here is the wife that will give us for the new year, so I ordered PANASONIC SD-2501WTS, let her cook
She loves this thing, she's tinkering in the kitchen. True, one is alarming PANASONIC SD-2501WTS is made in China. Although I went through all the models of bread makers, they are all made in China

Please tell me if the Oursson BM0800J bakery is good, I want to give it to my mother-in-law! You don't need a lot of functions, the main thing is that yeast dough and dumplings are kneaded, bread is baked and white and with the addition of rye flour! Need not very expensive! Up to 1 kg - for two!
Maybe you will advise some other models!

I have HP Hitachi already the second, in the interval there was LG (it is still working, but the oil seal ran, it is on the balcony). While my HP is working TTT. But I would choose her over and over again. But now it seems such a model is not on sale.

[Albina]

Albina, Hitachi no longer releases HP

[sazalexter]

sazalexter, You upset me. I bought it through the Internet, which I have been using for 5 years now. The first one worked for about 10 years. I hope this one will serve as well.

Help me decide on a budget bread maker.We need a dough function (for dumplings, pies). I look at the 400 scartet. Tell me whether it is worth contacting this company or see something else? Which bread maker would YOU recommend?

Mmmm ... I think I already wrote, but at the moment, as my husband says, "we need to get closer to solving the issue" ... I want a bread maker and I already need it. On the subject of the fact that I, in principle, bake bread in the oven, but the bread maker is more convenient, and saves time. And now store-bought bread won't suit me at all. So, I ask for advice, which bread maker to choose? That she knew how to do everything, was simple and reliable to use. The budget .... well, in principle, allows, within reasonable limits of course!

[Ninelle]

Ninelle, And how much bread do you want to bake the maximum or minimum? Loaf or tall? Do you want to bake baguettes or just a loaf is enough?

The volume is better, I also want baguettes, but I will consider all the options. There is a sad experience of using a bread maker. Therefore, the current on you and hope.