Help with choosing a bread machine

Hello forum users)
I caught fire by buying a stove, read the forum - a complete mess in my head)
Help me choose, please)

Need to -
rye program,
power from 600,
volume - all the same, for two of us, we don't need much.

We looked closely at the Kenwood BM450, but something tells me that I still need to think hard.

Read about Panasonic. It has a power of 550 watts, enough for baking and one loaf or for baking two small loaves or muffins at once. You haven't read much. Study, there is enough information on the forum for making a decision.

[rye program]

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Need to -
rye program,
power from 600,
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We looked closely at the Kenwood BM450, but something tells me that I still need to think hard.

Read about programs for Rye here - Custard rye bread is real (almost forgotten taste). Baking methods and additives.
In your case, you don't have to think about power.
Kenwood BM450 is fine.

Thanks for answers!)
Vanya, thank you, calmed the soul)

Now I'm going crazy choosing between Kenwood 450 and Panasonic 255.250...
It is embarrassing that many people have a Kenwood form on the forum, while Panasonic, on the forum, is inflated in popularity and overpriced.

and Kenwood likes the power of 1000 versus the Panasonic 550.

Thanks for answers!)
Vanya, thank you, calmed the soul)

Now I'm going crazy choosing between the Kenwood 450 and the Panasonic 255.
It is embarrassing that many people have a Kenwood form on the forum, while Panasonic, on the forum, is inflated in popularity and overpriced.

Panasonic 255 has already been discontinued ... now models 2500, 2501, 2502 are being sold ... I bought myself 2501 - I have already cooked jam several times .. Nothing leaks anywhere ... but the price of a bucket is yes ... she is in a stupor I am ... (((

and Kenwood likes the power of 1000 versus the Panasonic 550.

The power is inflated, that's for sure! 1000W in a bread maker is too much, just overpay for electricity Take then DeLonghi EOB 2071 https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=143917.0 1400 W power and "popularity is not overblown"

[Power 780 W.]

I have Kenwood, but electricity consumption has not increased since the purchase.
Bread maker KENWOOD BM 450. Metal case. Power 780 W. 3 baking sizes: 500 g, 750 g, 1000 g of finished product. Touch control panel. Express cycle - quick baking of bread in 58 min. Unique dough mixer. Unique ingredient compartment (automatic addition of ingredients while kneading the dough). Keeping the bread warm for 1 hour. Has the function of making jam. The delay timer allows you to delay the start of the bread making process up to 15 hours. The Favorite Program function allows you to program and store up to 5 of your favorite programs. The bread maker is protected against power interruptions for 8 minutes if it is accidentally disconnected from the mains during operation. After connecting the power supply, the bread maker will immediately continue working according to the current program. The program progress bar is located on the display screen. The BM450 bread maker has an automatic dispenser for adding additional ingredients directly to the dough while kneading. The dispenser ensures that ingredients are added on time and evenly.

and Kenwood likes the power of 1000 versus the Panasonic 550.

HP Panas power - 670 W

As the owner of the 450th Kenwood, I advise you to take Panas.

As the owner of the 450th Kenwood, I advise you to take Panas.

Rita, can I hear from you the reason for this advice? I just have a Kenwood 450 and I wouldn't want another stove. But it's always interesting to hear from Kenwood owners why they are unhappy with them?

I bought a Panasonic 2502. I read the instructions - and I don't know what to do. immediately return to the store or try to bake ... terrified! : it would be better if Bork 800 took ...

I bought a Panasonic 2502. I read the instructions - and I don't know what to do. immediately return to the store or try to bake ... terrified! : it would be better if Bork 800 took ...

What's wrong ?

in the description of the recipe for rye bread is not. available only for mixed, 60:40. according to the recipe from the forum, I hardly bake more than once ... change modes, knead with a spatula ... why then a stove for that kind of money? so you can bake in the oven ... in general, a complete disappointment ...

[why do you need such a stove for that kind of money, where else you need to change the modes yourself, and besides, knead with a spatula]

Of course. hand it over to the store and buy Bork 800, indeed, "why do you need such a stove for that kind of money, where else you need to change the modes yourself, and besides, knead with a spatula!"

[why do you need such a stove for that kind of money, where else you need to change modes yourself, and besides, knead with a spatula]

Of course. hand it over to the store and buy Bork 800, indeed, "why do you need such a stove for that kind of money, where else you need to change modes yourself, and besides, knead with a spatula!"

My husband read aloud and for a long time mocking those "who did not study the product before buying" said with satisfaction: "Well, now I am convinced that I wanted to buy 2501 correctly."

and in yours, like, do not interfere? she bakes pies herself and puts them on the table !!!

and in yours, like, do not interfere? she bakes pies herself and puts them on the table !!!

As practice proves, after a while you want to bake bread in the oven, and only knead in the bread machine ...

and in yours, like, do not interfere? she bakes pies herself and puts them on the table !!!

Do not be angry, this is not about you, but about the fact that the husband has already worn out everyone with the choice of the stove and it was your opinion that turned out to be decisive, he finally ordered something! As for the 2502, I beat a friend to this model and baked the first bread with her exclusively according to the book attached with hp, and kneaded an excellent dough for dumplings (they made khanum in the cartoon while waiting for the bread), I did not have time to cook jam, at home repair and a cat with five day old kittens. I really liked this hp, but you probably better look for the model that bakes pies and puts them on the table.

in the description of the recipe for rye bread is not. available only for mixed, 60:40. according to the recipe from the forum, I hardly bake more than once ... change modes, knead with a spatula ... why then a stove for that kind of money? so you can bake in the oven ... in general, a complete disappointment ...

None of the existing CPs will bake 100% rye bread by itself! This is the specificity of rye bread! Read the forum
pay attention! The presence of a rye regime does not mean that you will not have problems.

I have asked a lot and for a long time which stove to choose in accordance with my requirements. in the first place was the issue of functionality, not money. I will soon have a non-gas oven. but oh well, what can you do! back it will not be accepted. insulting! I wanted to buy for business and make from the bottom of my heart ...

Of the existing HP with rye on the machine, it is Panasonic that copes best of all, but there will still be roughness

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I have asked a lot and for a long time which stove to choose in accordance with my requirements. in the first place was the issue of functionality, not money. I will soon have a non-gas oven. but oh well, what can you do! back it will not be accepted. insulting! I wanted to buy for business and make from the bottom of my heart ...
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At first. If you have not yet used HP, they will take it back to the store
Secondly. It's a really good stove (IHMO)
third. It's always scary the first time, in the instructions the manufacturer always tries to cover himself up, it's not only Panas who writes that. See how people bake here - in molds that are put in the oven !!! And they get store-sized bricks, put baguette holders and bake !!!
I would not refuse your model, honestly!

I have asked a lot and for a long time which stove to choose in accordance with my requirements. in the first place was the issue of functionality, not money. I will soon have a non-gas oven. but oh well, what can you do! back it will not be accepted. insulting! I wanted to buy for business and make from the bottom of my heart ...

So it was recommended to you:
three models of Panasonic, one from Bork, one from Kenwood and creaking, you can still converge on a relatively inexpensive Brand.
Automatically, without the help of an external silicone spatula, not a single baker will knead rye custard bread itself, and neither will rye, but everyone in these ovens bakes this bread easily and rejoices.
Read more here:
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The possibility of fully automatic kneading of pure rye dough in the new Moulinex RZ710100 is questionable - it has a round bowl ,
but you have to try, most likely you will have to help in it.

There are no such difficulties with wheat and rye-wheat bread.
But this does not detract from the dignity and convenience of bread makers,
at least you don't need to wash it all,
except for the silicone spatula, of course.

Dear bakers, good afternoon everyone !!! Allow me a little and hear your advice on choosing a bread machine. After reading the forum, certain topics, some models, having felt them live in stores, I, of course, settled on Panasonic. But which one to choose is the question: 2500 or 2501. I don't know if 2500 bakes rye bread or whole grain bread, like yes. They are very expensive with us, 9900 rubles. - this is 2501, and 2502 is in one Spectrum only and costs 10900 rubles. Do you really need the automatic dispenser function (for additives and nuts) or can you do without it. I read somewhere that you need to close it later so that the baking temperature does not drop. (I decided for myself that either 2500 or 2501, and I won't take 2502 because of the high cost). Well, I decided everything for myself, I began to look after how I started to go crazy. Thoughts ran in this direction: "why do you need a fancy model. It will be idle for you, wouldn't it be better to take a simple, cheap one, just to understand if I really need a bakery at all." These are the treacherous thoughts. In general, why do I need a stove (I tried to formulate the needs) - daughters do not recommend wheat bread - or whole grain or rye, buckwheat, etc. Further, make the dough for dumplings, pies, pizza (although we rarely eat this). Well, several times we bought bread at the Pervorechensky market - there is self-baked, very tasty. We took rye-wheat, ciabatta with pepper (but it was not white, but brown!) And other breads, delicious! After going there, I always "mature" to buy a stove. And I live in Vladivostok, where there are bridges and sharks. Somehow like this. Thank you for your attention, I will be glad to your advice. I love to cook, but not in a slow cooker, but to do everything myself and bring every dish to taste, cooking is generally my hobby. Good luck to everyone !!!!

[milora]

milora Take 2500, you can bake rye in it. https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=72478.0 https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&board=265.0 With additives, as I understand it, you are unlikely to bake. Therefore, 2501 will be superfluous for you. Yes, it’s probably cheaper to order and bring HP from Japan https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=44300.0 the truth of the Russian language will not be

Do not be angry, this is not about you, but about the fact that the husband has already worn out everyone with the choice of the stove and it was your opinion that turned out to be decisive, he finally ordered something!

I think that it would be high time for your husband to be isolated from the Internet and the choice of CP, otherwise after reading such "decisive opinions" you will generally become a consumer of only SHOP bread

[milora]

milora, whatever you buy, everyone will become a favorite in the family.
1. own bread is at least clear from what it is baked (almost everyone has heard and knows about various "useful" additives in industrial bread).
2. If spending an extra thousand is not critical for the budget, then it would probably be worth taking a stove with a dispenser. It is better to have an unnecessary function and not use it than to think later, "Maybe I needed it!"
3. I baked with the dispenser open - if the bread is not too high, then the open dispenser has almost no effect on the result. The additive dispenser is only opened when the corresponding program is started. That is, if you have not set the program "wheat with raisins", then you do not need to close anything.At the same time, at least sometimes, but I want to cook a roll / dough with raisins or other additives, and in the oven without a dispenser, the time of adding additives must be watched (it is not always possible to immediately add additives with flour - the oven has an active kneading, quite often the additives are simply ground ).
PS As for me, since I am in the place of the manufacturers, I would launch the dispenser operation in all programs, not just two. For some reason, they think that raisins are useless in rye bread.

[milora]

milora,
PS As for me, since I am in the place of the manufacturers, I would launch the dispenser operation in all programs, not just two. For some reason, they think that raisins are useless in rye bread.

But by the way, rye or custard with additives is the most delicious .. seeds, raisins ...

Dear bakers, sazalexter and Rina !!! Thank you very much for your quick and thorough answers! Yes, it's probably better to buy with a dispenser, I also love raisins, and everyone here loves it. More room for creativity. Well, now I will look after, maybe in the online store. And Japan is not an option, there are such high prices for such things, they are not at all affordable. I know, because I was there recently. Everything is decided - 2501! Good luck to all!

I think that it would be high time for your husband to be isolated from the Internet and the choice of CP, otherwise after reading such "decisive opinions" you will generally become a consumer of only SHOP bread

Anyuta !!!! After the report about 2502, my husband ordered 2501 !!!!! Only shhsssss !!!! Tomorrow is supposed to arrive

Today in M-Vidio I watched a scene: a family (dad, mom, apparently a son-in-law and a daughter) was choosing a double boiler and a bread machine. With a double boiler - I don't know how it ended (at that time I raped the seller about the multishaker), but when they started choosing HP and quite loudly - the women offered one - Moulinex, the daughter - to choose one of two Panasonic, and the peasants said in unison that only Bork (look how elegant he is ...) or nothing. For a long time they stood there and argued ...

[Creamy]

That is why women go to household appliances stores! And the multishaker seems to be just an excuse ... By the way, did the act of rape end with the purchase of a multishaker, or was the seller still not satisfied with any purchase on your part?

Creamy,! Well, firstly, I was there after the tax inspection + another 28 degrees in the shade - you yourself understand, after such a compote I was not ready for any physical feat. And even in this state, I am not satisfied with either the price (6990 = - there was no price tag initially), or the purr of the seller. Gone safe and sound ... wallet.

The very evening is waiting for you. Already started everything and already scabies in my hands - to bake everything


thanks for the support

Forgot to advise, purgen with a sweet smile on his face and tea in the form of a treat very well helps a loved one to choose and order a bread maker.
I would have bought it long ago!

Today I hope a miracle will come true? !!!

- bake everything

First, bake plain white bread from the instructions for the HP. Bake exactly according to the recipe, add creative additives later when you feel the oven.

First, bake plain white bread from the instructions for the HP. Bake exactly according to the recipe, add creative additives later when you feel the oven.

Already ..... I knocked my friend off on hp, on Sunday 2502 they kneaded dumplings dough (they didn't finish that much with their hands, they added flour) and while Panas was happily creating white bread, we were "hovering" khanum from dumplings dough in a cartoon. I didn't have enough time for jam - repairs and kittens, but after reading the reviews, I think they just took us away from the jam.
And I will fill my hand today ..... on my husband .... if there is no hp by the evening.

Forgot to advise, purgen with a sweet smile on his face and tea in the form of a treat very well helps a loved one to choose and order a bread maker.
I would have bought it long ago!

Today I hope a miracle will come true? !!!

If a blizzard is transferred to each brake, the pharmacies will close. I really hope to try HP tonight!

If a blizzard is transferred to each brake, the pharmacies will close. I really hope to try HP tonight!

We are all laughing at how your husband chooses .. but he does the right thing !!! As the saying goes, measure seven times, but only cut one ... I just remembered myself .. The vacuum cleaner was chosen for 1.5 (!) Years! And when I came to the store, I was a salesman ... "Yes, you know what his power is?! at 240 watts "... The whole store" got "from me then ...

About the additive dispenser. This is what, for example, a dried cherry turns into, if you put it with all the ingredients IMMEDIATELY
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=30848.0

About the additive dispenser. This is what, for example, a dried cherry turns into, if you put it with all the ingredients IMMEDIATELY
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=30848.0

And I didn't understand something .. what was wrong with her? Do you mean that it has become "non-full" (disheveled / crumbled)? So, on the contrary, it is more convenient for me .. Since my little "mouse" will spit out all the large pieces of any foreign body, even if they will be OOOOO Very tasty !!!

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It appears like this ... Olvia did not appear, did not report anything new ... I can conclude that the KP arrived and the cooking process began ... "Mustache" thoughts are absorbed by weighing - kneading - standing - baking - eating - inherited from the first bread. ... OR.. now hands will not reach the computer soon because of their "brokenness" about her husband

And I didn't understand something .. what was wrong with her? Do you mean that it has become "non-full" (disheveled / crumbled)? So, on the contrary, it is more convenient for me .. Since my little "mouse" will spit out all the large pieces of any foreign body, even if they will be OOOOO Very tasty !!!

someone is more convenient. And my family does not like ground dried fruits in baked goods. The younger one will pick out the raisins from the crumb, even if there are a lot of raisins (you have to see how the child eats the capital's cupcake). And if the raisins are ground, then the small ones will definitely not be eaten.

Someone needs pieces of nuts, and if they grind, the dough greatly changes the properties of the dough.

In general, the dispenser allows you to use both the additive "from the very beginning" (who needs it), and the additive 2 according to the rules, that is, gently mix into the already normally kneaded dough.

[OR]

It appears like this ... Olvia did not appear, did not report anything new ... I can conclude that the KP arrived and the cooking process began ... "Usa" thoughts are absorbed by weighing - kneading - standing - baking - eating - an inheritance from the first bread. ... OR.. now hands will not reach the computer soon because of their "brokenness" about her husband

Hello everybody. I'm already afraid to write here. Suddenly you will send out the orderlies.
Anyuta! We were already in the warehouse and I was holding the hp in my hands .... my husband found a "frightful mess" on the case and did not want to change this hp for another, as I yelled: "she is good! I will not give it" and did not tear myself away from the stove, the husband decided to finish off the warehouse employees with an additional discount for a "serious defect". And he did it. The stove was sold to us for 5,400, but the catch is that we need confirmation from some technologist that this scratch will not affect the working process, without this conclusion there may be problems with ss in the future, if you contact them later, with some breakdown (pah-pah). The stove will be returned on Friday, as the technologist is resting.
It was not easy to remove my uncontrolled throwing, biting, kicking and siren howl of a brontosaurus during the mating season, but the Brownian blender, Mulinek mixer, electronic floor scales (pinkish), kitchen scales, silicone brushes, fans from and molds remote control) and a brown electric razor for my son, smoothly folding into a cart, distracted my attention from testing the rolling pin on my husband's back and even gave birth to a thought in my diseased brain - let him knock out this additional discount of 300 rubles, since she warms him up like that.
So the stove is paid for and after all the intricacies of the design will come home ...

Greetings to all members of the forum! I want to give HP to my parents, but I am faced with a choice, which is better ?! I understand that "Every sandpiper praises his swamp," but I hope for your help. The choice was between two models:
Moulinex OW200036 and Panasonic SD-2501WTS (price difference approximately 2000). According to the reviews, both are excellent (but I found a review about Mulinex on Yandex. Market that it does not bake, and people bought Panasonic all the same), so as not to spend money twice, I ask for help.
Yes, most likely I will use it .. Mom said - buy if you yourself will bake)
Thank you in advance :)

I have Panasonic, I love him dearly, he bakes everything. And what about that. that "every sandpiper praises his swamp" - work for yourself, collect information, I would see what kind of stoves the moderators have, the old-timers of the site. Go to the profile of eminent members of the forum, there you can see their recipes with photos. That's how you come to a decision. what kind of stove do you need.

For myself, I worked hard in terms of reviews. I read a bunch of reviews from Yandex. Market, from online stores, from the sites M-Video and Eldorado, asked advice from those who already have these stoves (my boss Moulinex of the model I indicated above, and his friends, has been working for 2 years and he is completely happy , says that there is no point in overpaying for the brand (in my case Panasonic) if they all perform the same functions).

And two thousand rubles? a very strong argument in favor of Mulinex!

If you actually figure it out, then the functionality of these HPs is the same, the difference is in the presence of a Dispenser. It seems that I read on this forum that it is better to take with a function that you will not use, than to regret later that I did not take it. I am going to buy HP for the first time, and I don’t want to change it later just because of the lack of functions.
Panasonic is the leader among HP manufacturers .. This is probably an important factor ..
Confused again :(

Do you think this question should be addressed to the consultants in the shopping center? Logically, they should know what and how))) They will not offer the dear itself

And the question is, which of these two stoves to take? If they have the same functions, but there is no dispenser in Moulinex, what if it comes in handy So ​​we need to take Panasonic. Well, if you want to save 2000, then ...
And about consultants, after reading so much information, you can already consult yourself.

That's right, by the way, about the difference in price ... Initially, Moulinex costs - 3790, and Panasonic - 8290! But now there are discounts, so Panasonic is giving away for 5990! This is also an important factor) Go to the store, listen to what they have to say. and then heal them in full))))

Do you think this question should be addressed to the consultants in the shopping center? Logically, they should know what and how))) They will not offer the dear itself

No consultants will give you as much information as you can find even on this site ... (this trick was tested 2 weeks ago when buying a MB) .. The seller answered something like this to all my questions ... "Well, yes, you are probably right ..." or "I need to clarify" or "Let's see the manual" ....