Help with choosing a bread machine

Fleury80, you had a cool Panas that you sold. I don’t know why you don’t want the same one again, but I’m afraid Krostina may disappoint, especially for the money they want in Russia for her ...

I haven't used it for a year and a half or two, I don't remember
but now I realized that I would not refuse to knead a bread machine
I don't want this one - I want to try something new

Anyway, good luck with your choice!

Thank you

Well, if you manage to find out or determine if there is a service one in it, it will be great!

if I have time tomorrow, I will definitely drop by
Should it be in the instructions? where to look more precisely?

[Mandraik Ludmila]

Mandraik Ludmila, Buttercup,

I like many Panasonicophiles

Buttercup, you made me tonight! My flower to you from me, I, too, turns out to be a panasonikophile.

I, like many panasonicophiles, allow myself to dream of crustin

Lyudaaaa, I adore you!
Means like this: if there is Panasonicophiles, then there should be Panasonicophobes!!?

You will have to clean the mixer with handles after kneading,

But this is not mine at all !!!

[Fleury80]

Fleury80, it may not be in the instructions, I didn't find it in mine from 2511, but in reality this mode exists. They hide it for some reason

Panasonic phobes !!?

Ritochka, well, I don't even know .. maybe those who scold us for "advertising" Panasiks?

who scolds us for "advertising" Panasiks?

No, these are the sellers who hang "noodles" about plastic parts in stores ...

[mamusi]

mamusi, Margarita, here's a clearing of flowers!

Margarita, here's a clearing of flowers!

Thank you !!! All my favorite varieties!

it may not be in the instructions, I didn't find it in mine from 2511, but in reality this mode exists.

well, how to understand if he is or not

[his]

and how to understand whether he is or not

Just turn on his... No other way.

Just turn it on. No other way.

somehow I doubt that this is allowed to be done in a store with a display case :-)

I doubt it will be allowed

I say they are Panasonic!
... but seriously, how can it be without this regime! He's Service!))
(Who will plant him, he's a Monument) (c)

[Fleury80]

Should it be in the instructions? where to look more precisely?

Fleury80, try pressing the key combination "MENU - SHORT COLOR - START". All symbols should light up on the scoreboard ...

In the manual for Krostin in English and Russian, I did not find this. Previous models have this mode. Logically, this one should have.

but now I realized that I would not refuse to knead a bread machine

Yes, the bread maker copes perfectly with kneading wheat, wheat-rye dough with a flour weight of up to 600 g. And no hassle. If you have a kneader and a planetary mixer, I will choose this one. I don't load it with dumplings - I make it with knives.

In general, we are waiting for you with news if you get to the store.

[Fleury80]

somehow I doubt that this is allowed to be done in a store with a display case :-)

Fleury80and why not, you ask, maybe it will be interesting for them, I have come across the interest of sellers more than once when I started to check something in my own way, they are the same people and curiosity is not alien to them. And in general, I see no reason for refusing to turn on and check the operation of the stove. You are a potential buyer, want to feel and check everything with your own hands, in my opinion this is our "buying" right.

Well, girls, I'm going to the technopark to watch it.I won't buy (even if I like it) there, because the price is inadequate. But there is also a hoebomol store nearby, where you can touch unlod. And then I’ll decide what I need and whether I need a bread maker in the Modet Kenwood Technopark, I’ll also look at it. I will kill several birds with one stone. I'll write everything.

[Fleury80]

Fleury80, and if you also write a report about what you saw .... then finally!

I am reporting on Panasonic. The mode does not work. The lid is flimsy (I made a video, I can send it). The bucket is small ... Like mulinex ow250 Judging by the instructions, the maximum bread is 500g 🤷♀ At the same time, the bread maker itself is not small.



I go to the bread mills to feel the unilod. While I unexpectedly liked bork. I don't know how it works, but the look and ergonomics are impressive. Well, I may be biased .. I have a toaster and a waffle iron and a bork grill ... and they plow perfectly .. but the price is tryndets



I felt the Unilod. If I needed a compact cat, I would buy a small one, probably (but in Germany, there it is only 100 €). As a result - since I liked only bork, but in fact only a batch is needed, then nafig. Expensive. I do not want. I will continue to knead in ankarsum + to help the thermomix for tight dough, and bake in the oven. But I had to feel it all to understand. I will try to post a little photo (a bowl, a recipe book with a rye recipe, a video by buttons) as I am at home. In the meantime, I relaxed, until some new product appeared. I'm not indifferent to them.

And I am sad for the collapsed dreams of Crostin. A kind person gave a link to the instructions for it. They did not bother with rye bread at all. And the choice of programs, frankly, is not very good.

The program for rye bread is in the instructions. I left the link in the profile topic.

Bread makers Panasonic SD-2500, SD-2501, SD-2502, SD-2510, SD-2511, SD-2512 ... (4) # 7815

Mode does not work

FSE, I'll go to the forest, there is no electricity and no bread makers are needed. I have no words

Good evening everyone! Yesterday I finally realized my plan and bought HP. I went to M-video purposefully for Panasonic, and bought Moulinex. The seller dissuaded him, showed a plastic part in the place where the bucket is attached and the fact that the condensate flows down. Recommended by Midea or Moulinex. In short, we chose Moulinex OW312E32, I was glad that there is all metal and a 2-year warranty. In addition, there was a share for it. But he said that no model can compare with my former BORK. And Panasov hand over a bunch of guarantees. And that this is a very advertised brand and nothing more. In general, today I think to try it and write my impressions.

Girls, here are the photos that I promised







I don't know how to load them larger ...

But he said that no model can compare with my ex-BORK

what happened to bork? broke?

The program for rye bread is in the instructions

it is spelled "Whole grain / rye"
and in the recipes there is both whole grain (without specifying which one, rye or wheat), and nothing rye (on kefir) .. somehow strange ...

what happened to bork? broke?

Yes, she stopped kneading the dough, and spare parts are no longer carried, therefore they are not taken for repairs anywhere, including the authorized BORK center in Moscow. Apparently the belt broke, this is their weak point.

Yes, she stopped kneading the dough, and spare parts are no longer carried, therefore they are not taken for repairs anywhere, including the authorized BORK center in Moscow. Apparently the belt broke, this is their weak point.

go crazy for that kind of money, to be honest
I myself today bork (new) liked the model
but 33,000 and such hemorrhoids ...
for that kind of money, there should be no weak points
I hope to see your feedback about Moulinex :-)
if you suddenly knead a tight dough (like dumplings) - I will also be glad to hear from you
the price is very nice, and the machine itself is pretty (I watched it today, well, or a similar mulinesx)

[Fleury80]

Panasov hand over a bunch of guarantees. And that this is a very advertised brand and nothing more

WHAT ???
Girls ... this is just some kind of conspiracy against the Panasiks ...



Fleury80, I have nothing against mulekas, but that's what the matter ... And I and my mother's friend (and a friend's friend) almost simultaneously acquired stoves.I took Panasik 257, she Moulinex with add. cake mold (her friend is also the same). By the way, I was very jealous of her about the round shape. Well ... she doesn't bake in hers - she says she doesn't like the taste, her friend's also not very good, there the tension jumps or something else (they live in the country) - the dough simply does not rise or is not baked. But everyone sweeps my panasik bread and asks for more !!!

Girls ... this is just some kind of conspiracy against the Panasiks ...

in the technopark, ALL brands are openly omitted, except for Bork
including Panasonic, it is very transparent

spare parts no longer carry

I do not understand ... where do they not carry it? It's like our brand, only strongly disguised as the Germans ?? Somewhere they wrote that they had a place of registration somewhere in the VDNKh area ...

But everyone sweeps my panasik bread and asks for more !!!

I'm generally a maniac and I bake in the oven with sourdough and yeast too




so I really understand to taste
I'd like a batch

I'd like a batch

Well, buy a good food processor. An expensive one who can handle any test.

I do not understand ... where do they not carry it? It's like our brand, only strongly disguised as the Germans ?? Somewhere they wrote that they had a place of registration somewhere in the VDNKh area ...

I think you can find on Amazon or in China, if you wish
if the service took
it means they don't want to fix it

Well, buy a good food processor. An expensive one who can handle any test.

how much more expensive
Ankarsum I have
but the only dough with which he can hardly cope is very cool
you just need to stand next to him and constantly help ...
so far I am doing it

how much more expensive

https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...on=com_smf&topic=159825.0

[ast]

already just some kind of conspiracy against the Panasiks ...

So I don't understand why the seller has more faith than us, people who bake bread all the time
Are we misleading or deceiving someone?
The salesperson whom you see for the first time in your life, and who hardly bakes bread at all, is more trusted than people who bake regularly. To be honest, it's a shame You can understand if this was a preliminary conscious choice, Moulinex probably has many positive properties, except for metal parts. Of course, the choice is a personal matter for everyone, but so, when the seller just dissuaded, who is he? Is he a bakery expert, bread expert? He is a seller, from the word sell. Well this is so, it burst out, you can say a cry from the heart, the truth is insulting and not clear
ast, may your Moulinex serve you for a long time, and may you not be disappointed in it, I really wish it

I went to M-video purposefully for Panasonic, and bought Moulinex. The seller dissuaded him, showed a plastic part in the place where the bucket is attached and that the condensate flows down. Recommended by Midea or Moulinex.

Maybe someone will come in handy.
Quote:
- By the way, the same node made of plastic about which the talkers have been recently sold, forgetting to say that the design of the node has not changed at least since the SD-200, and this is somewhere since the end of the 80s. Again, the node is specially made of carbolite plastic , plays the role of a "foreseen break" unit, must break when overloaded. -
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You can read it here:
Panasonic Bread Makers Problems and Breakdowns # 1862

The seller dissuaded him, showed a plastic part in the place where the bucket is attached and that the condensate flows down.

The consultants will tell you ... About the plastic part - the famous razvodilovo. I can't find a link now where our bread-baking technical guru explains what's the matter. I will say in my own words, as I understood. Plastic part - controlled scrapping. That is, if the motor jams, then your stove will not jump all over the kitchen, sweeping away everything in its path, but only this plastic part will break, which is easy and inexpensive to replace, and everything else will remain intact.As for the condensate, it’s not at all clear what this is about, where is the amount of condensate in the bread maker so that it starts to drain somewhere ... Probably, you will be happy with your moulinex, as I was happy with my Vitesse bread maker. Exactly until the bucket began to leak and I found out that Vitesse does not supply spare parts to Russia. There are a lot of Panas fans here on the site, and these are real people who have tried different bread machines and come to the conclusion that Panas is the best.
So, while I was writing, we already found the link!

Of course, the choice is a personal matter for everyone, but just like that, when the seller just dissuaded him, who is he? Is he a bakery expert, bread expert? He is a seller, from the word sell.

The seller has a bonus from each sale, and the amount of the bonus differs depending on how much the product needs to be sold, or the manufacturer gives bonuses for promoting his product.
More than once I had to listen to such "uninterested specialists". Relatives asked to buy a vacuum cleaner with a bag, went to see what they were selling, so they tried to convince me that I am out of my mind since I do not want to buy their bagless "miracle" vacuum cleaner, and that no one is buying with a bag now, and when they realized that I was interested only the option with a bag, they have lost all interest in me. The same happened with Kenwood, although the seller there turned out to be more adequate, after a failed attempt to convince him, he nevertheless agreed to sell what he wanted.
I think the situation is the same with stoves.

Vital. I disagree. Let's say that when I answered for the hundredth time about the same thing ...

We are different. When I answered for the hundredth time about the same thing, I continued to answer 101 and 102 times ... I remember well how helpless I came here with the thought of choosing HP for a thousand for a half with good reviews and advice. He came all disheveled from the abundance of information on the Internet, and even contradictory. Having rummaged through the forum, hesitating to tear someone's thread from important forum affairs, I was completely confused, my tousled hair stood on end and I decided to squeak for help in choosing. I'm lucky! They received me very kindly, answered all my stupid and not very questions, and three days later I ordered Panasonic for 4700 I think. I didn’t even think about a thousand and a half. I still remember the names of these people. And I am very grateful to them!
What has changed so much? Where does this nervousness and poorly concealed irritation come from? Nobody owes anyone here.
In addition to following the rules of the forum.

That is, if the motor jams,

Sveta, I'll correct it a little. The part is guaranteed to break if the motor overload is higher than the allowable one. If this part did not break when the engine was overloaded, then it would have jammed. And so the engine will not suffer, and the part is cheap. At our factory, when assembling precision mechanisms, the tightening force of the nut is strictly limited to a certain value. At the same time, assemblers are given wrenches with a handle, which simply "breaks" when the maximum force is exceeded. It is hinged. Something like this...

In short, we chose Moulinex OW312E32, I was glad that there is all metal and a 2-year warranty.

You know, I have a fourth bread maker. The first three were Moulinexes. I was very pleased, I really liked the bread, I baked it without problems, we forgot the purchased bread. True, I did not get rye, I did not know all the subtleties then. Mulinex had one big problem, after about six months of operation, a bucket began to leak. And I'm not from St. Petersburg, we need to go after him, and before that, look, and it's not cheap. And in service centers we were told that this is a very common problem. And then problems started with the belt. In general, not one survived to two years. While I dream about Panasonic, but the circumstances have changed and I still can't buy it. I hope Moulinex fixed the problem with the buckets and your HP will serve you faithfully.

[Buttercup]

Are we misleading or deceiving someone?

Well this is so, it burst out, you can say a cry from the heart, the truth is insulting and not clear

Buttercup, do not be sad, everyone has the right to their own choice. For example, our friends, after a detailed consultation on my part, chose LG with the yogurt function. But I did not insist on Panasonic, I just said that if I heartily, I recommend Panasonic, but otherwise everything is as usual, that is, the usual story when choosing a bread maker, about reliability, company, service, bread size and programs. In the store, they liked this model from LG, and despite the fact that after about 3.5 years of use they changed the bucket twice, it suits them in everything. True, we were very surprised when, in response to the question "how often did you change the bucket?" heard that they had not changed it even once in 6 years (I don’t make jam, I only use it for bread). Yes, the very first was the Moulinex baguette bread machine, which we received as a gift without understanding why we needed it, we had no thoughts about purchasing a bread machine. Now I think that everything is for the best, because thanks to this model I got acquainted with the site and re-read all the information that was here in search of answers to the questions, what is wrong and why bread does not work out, and at that time it was difficult. Less than a year later, the bread maker broke down, problems with the bucket, what I wrote about Hvesya, there was only one service center with a Moulinex license, the warranty card was lost during the move and we did not even wait for the replacement delivery without even under warranty. While they were waiting, they began to think about buying a new bread machine, baked bread in the oven along the way, reading the site already with an understanding of what I would like to see in the new model. In general, in short, in Moulinex I did not like dry crumb (adding liquid, even a minimal amount, led to an uneven dome, and I do not consider muffins for every day for our family) and kneading spatulas, which always remained in bread. Panasonic has a juicy crumb, forgives some flaws in the amount of liquid or moisture in the flour, and the kneading spatula always remains in the bucket. Bonus in the form of reliability and well thought-out design. And yes, it has nothing to do with "advertising" (c) or deception, just personal experience, I agree with you. Today, a variant of the Panasonic model with a program for manual control and a memory function would be ideal.

[equally]

"All metal parts"- this is the favorite" song "of sellers in my city! I was surprised that everywhere equally say. I was in MVideo the other day, with the aim of touching Blender Soup Cooks. There I heard the seller speak word for word about metal parts - about Blender Moulinex for 28,000. They say he grinds everything down to molecules ... And a young couple - the children are straight, stand with their mouths open and listen to him. He entered at times: "Yes, no blender will grind you like that".... The wife babbles to her husband:" We just beat the bananas... "But my husband's eyes are burning !!!
I stood nearby, showed them Philips next to them on the shelf ...
The seller stared at me like that!
(I'm not saying that 28,000 is bad, but ... you yourself understand their purpose!)

I do not understand ... where do they not carry it? It's like our brand, only strongly disguised as Germans ?? Somewhere they wrote that they had a place of registration somewhere in the VDNKh area ...

The brand is ours, the technique is not ours. They buy American and Korean equipment, make a huge mark-up and sell.

But he said that no model can compare with my former BORK. And Panasov hand over a bunch of guarantees.

It is very strange that in the m-video they talk about Panasonic, they used to have a contract with them for the distribution of their equipment, a lot of things were sold that were either not sold in other stores, or more expensive. Although they didn't sell Redmond in principle before, times are changing.

Subscribe to the topic. I'll ripen soon. Otherwise, my seven-year-old Errisson will soon die completely with the second bucket.

Good afternoon again. I'm looking closely at the Panasonic 2512. I can't understand - in some places it is written that you can make bread from coarse flour, while in others there is no such option.
Is it possible or not? Does someone do it?



And one more thing: what is the difference between SD-ZB2512 and SD-ZB2512KTS? Or is it the same thing?

you can make bread from wholemeal flour

You can, there is a dietary bread regime, but I do well and mostly succeed if I mix it with higher grade flour. I don't understand the abbreviation, can someone else tell me

SD-ZB2512 and SD-ZB2512KTS? Or is it the same thing?

Same

what can you make bread from wholemeal flour

even in my SD-255

Unfortunately, I have not seen such prices for flour here ...

Right now we have Klever flour in the bill at 34.90 per 2 kg.
Production of the Lipetsk plant - it is better known as "Limak".
Excellent quality flour, much better than makfa.

[sazalexter]

sazalexter, in 255 (257) special programs for rye and whole grain bread, but here a person doubts whether to eat or not.

right now in the bill Klever flour at 34.90 per 2 kg

Where is it?)
We only have a magnet, a tape, a five.

Where is it?

In Moscow, bill's retail network is relatively recent (

[A citizen]

A citizen, I am not in Moscow)
But thanks. I will keep in mind, since the flour is good!
But I'll take a look at myself.

[mamusi]

mamusi,
This is the flour of the Lipetsk plant for the bill network.
You most likely have it under the brand name of the plant - "Limak".

[A citizen]

A citizen, we have Limak, unfortunately, lately it has become worse and I stopped taking it. I take Ryazanochka and Red price (1 grade) in Pyaterochka.

[Mandraik Ludmila]

Mandraik Ludmila,
I also mostly take Ryazan because Lipetsk is rarely on shares, but it is more expensive, but I cannot say which one is worse, both are excellent.