Help with choosing a bread maker

84 rub 2 kg pack.

I take 32-36 rubles. for 2 kg.
In the summer I took in general 23 rubles / 2 kg.

I take 32-36 rubles. for 2 kg.
In the summer, he took in general 23 rubles.

Unfortunately, I have not seen such prices for flour here ...

Unfortunately, I haven't seen such prices for flour here ..

So I don't see any reason to take makfa at 90.
Last year, in the spring and summer, I took a test at 59.90, and again it was infected.
Considering such a low quality, I take a better quality Ryazan and, less often, another.
I see no reason to pay more than 17-18 rubles / kg of flour, competition gives a real result.

According to our experience, Makfa is good and bread is best at it, she bought flour at a cheaper price, but bread is much worse, but we have a small choice, unfortunately. But I do not take for the full price, only when there are shares. And it’s a pity that we have very little choice. But Macfa was never infected, at least I did not notice.

Good day everyone! For many years my HP BORK 500 served me faithfully, but nothing lasts forever. After spending 3 days digging the Internet and stopping at Gemlux or Midea, I got to this forum. And now I want Panasonic, but the toad suffocates a little. Another disadvantage of Panas is that the bucket is only square, my BORK has 2 bowls, and it also baked round cakes. She was so cool I had, bowls and stirrers - not a single scratch, the coating is whole. She baked not very often, but often kneaded the dough for pies and pizza. The dough turned out to be the most tender. I wanted to buy a used BORK inexpensively on Avito, but I wondered how long it would work for me ... Prices but new BORK, like a helicopter. What do you think? Can really buy on Avito? Or not to experiment? Yes, I forgot to say, they don't take my BORK for repair anywhere, even in an authorized BORK center, they say that spare parts are no longer taken.

[ast]

ast, look for a cheaper Panasik on Avito, there you can quite find yourself up to 10tyr, I bought my mother 2511 for 5tyr. Mom is not happy

My advertising banner often falls out "Breadmaker Pnasonik 2510 from 9 tyr with a tail."

ast, look for a cheaper Panasik on Avito, there you can quite find yourself up to 10tyr, I bought my mother 2511 for 5tyr. Mom is not happy

Yes, I already thought about it, but the new Panasik 2511 is slightly more expensive than 10 thousand (with a discount of 11500 somewhere), does it make sense to take a used one, I'm already scared that HP will break down again.

My advertising banner often falls out "Breadmaker Pnasonik 2510 from 9 tyr with a tail."

We have only 2511 in M-video, and 2510 from the window. I don't want to go from the window.

[ast]

ast, now after the new year, they sell unnecessary gifts, and you can buy a new one for half the price. I bought my mom a new one, though without shoulder blades, but I ordered them in China and for myself

Yes, I already thought about it, but the new Panasik 2511 is slightly more expensive than 10 thousand (with a discount of 11500 somewhere), does it make sense to take a used one, I'm already scared that HP will break down again.

I have already bought three bread machines on Avito: two Panasik 2511 and one 2500, the most expensive (new 2511 in a box) for 6 thousand, the rest are cheaper - the state of the new. She provided for all the relatives, no problems with the stoves, everyone works and pleases their new owners. When buying, you can always check both the appearance and performance. I have never been denied this. Yes, you may not be able to buy it in perfect condition the first time, and you will have to go several times, but the profit in price is more than twice, in my opinion, it's worth it.

[Mandraik Ludmila]

Mandraik Ludmila, and where did you order the scapula? And then I can't catch something rye for 257 Panasik.

[Svetlana]

Svetlana, on Ali, here is a set of both types

Here are two rye

I haven't seen one by one



Here are generally spare parts for Panasiks

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[Buttercup]

Buttercup, Thank you! I'll see ...

Girls, hello everyone!
I decided to order a bread maker.
I must say right away that I bake in the oven, and with sourdough and yeast ...
But I really like how the bread makers knead, and sometimes I want to quickly leave everything and forget - let her bake herself.
I used to have a Panasonic SD-ZB2512, good, no questions asked ..
But now I want something else.
I considered the new Panasonic SD-ZP2000, but the seller dissuaded it, there are fewer functions, there is no dumpling dough (in principle), there is no dispenser .. In general, she did not impress me.
I am also considering Unold - there are also different options there ..
But I'm already scared to choose something and make a mistake.
I also read about Kenwood BM450 ....
Or maybe there is something else that I don't know about, something new from new products ..
I want a cool one, I can safely consider the budget from 10 to 25.
Bork not to offer :-)
The third day I google, soon steam will go out of my head. HELP.

specify what exactly you want to know from us?

I have ideas about a specific model, but this does not mean that I have tried everything.
They can be beautiful in the window, but unusable in life.
Having one bread maker doesn't mean being an expert at the others.
I want a new, more functional model with a good mix.
But not the same as mine.
And I ask you to help with the choice. More specifically, how to formulate?
Again - I saw the REDMOND SkyBaker CBM1929S model
But how can I know if she is good or not .. And then maybe it was someone.

[automatic]

Mixes of all modern HP actual, that is not ancient models, have long been at the proper level. By functionality automatic Panasonic Bypass Models with programming.
So look at a modern one, which you like in design, with at least one programmable mode. The more programming and flexible it is, the higher the functionality.
According to crisp crusts, Krustin is declared the leader and there are some models of mulek, but if among them are programmable, I don't know.

I was leaning towards the new Panasonic, but I am confused by the lack of a dispenser in the modern model ... and no one (from the sellers) can answer how this is being solved ... and there is also no kind of programming mode, again - everything is not in the subject ...

I want a new, more functional model with a good mix.

Smortrya what do you think is a good batch.
I have a Redmond 1910, it kneads perfectly, but I only knead wheat and semi-wheat bread in HP, I feel sorry for spending a machine on rye and dumplings dough, I think that sooner or later the bucket mechanism will wear out from such efforts. I mainly knead rye bread with my hands, I like it, and dumplings are much easier to make in a mixer with knives.

The dumplings claim is just ridiculous

you read something of your own and I do not like your tone categorically
about kneading dough for dumplings (it just isn't there) - I wrote this about the NEW model, it really isn't there
Where did you get this tone in your answers?
condescending i would say
can't answer politely - it's better not to answer at all

[Fleury80]

Fleury80,

I have no inclination to be impolite to strangers, and completely not I consider myself especially knowledgeable. Sorry if you are offended. My answer was not personal, but a simple answer to your request.

Here I read the posts of the new arrivals and wonder at their claims. Themselves too lazy to systematize information, ask for advice and themselves are dissatisfied with HOW they answer. I don't like the way I answer here, go shopping, listen to the consultants, touch everything with your pens, maybe then you will like everything. Or, if you don't want to read the whole topic, then look for information yourself on the Internet.

[Marpl]

but I am confused by the lack of a dispenser in the modern model ... and no one (from the sellers) can answer how this is solved ...

I do not have a dispenser and I add the additive manually.If, according to the program, it is necessary to throw in raisins or something else, then the palm icon will be visible on the display and at the right time you will hear a signal to throw in the additives. The only disadvantage is that you have to go up and throw in the additives. However, there is nothing to break. Enough owners complain about the loud knocking of the lid, and the latches break. Whoever gets lucky.
You probably like to try different pastries according to original recipes, then a programmable oven would be very useful. There are quite a few programs in Panasonic, but you can't please everyone. But her reliability is higher than that of the rest. Here is a page that will help you navigate the choice.
Comparison of bread makers from different manufacturers
Good luck to you!




Marpl, but I do not like your tone in relation to beginners. Man no pretense asked for help. And she did not touch you personally.

[Vital]

You don't have to go that far, you don't have to dig into the entire section. It is enough to run through this topic with one eye. There are 77 pages, but you don't need to read it in full. Already a hundred times have condemned all the features of Panasonic, Redmond, Bork and Kenwood and others, here who just did not write, what kind of disputes from the owners are not recorded. After viewing this topic, you can completely form your personal opinion and then be interested in a specific, already deliberately chosen, model.

Vital... I disagree. Let's say when I answered in the hundredth time about the same, was overly categorical, for which she apologized.
But beginners also do not consider it necessary to show respect and at least look at a couple of pages above on the topic.
Marina the rights, what is the question - so is the answer, without any personal relationship. We are not here to chat. A beginner should get the information he needs, and not be friends, for example, with me in THIS topic. Behind this in a chatterbox.

It will help you navigate the choice.

thank you very much!!!!

Lena, I totally agree with you. And beginners are different - some first read all the available information on the selected device, and then ask questions to determine the model. And others from the doorway - hello, I want this ... My head is porridge, too lazy to read, and then they answered in the wrong tone.

for which she apologized.

Taking into account what you wrote below, I do not really believe in your apology, you honestly think that I owe you something
I do not think so
if there is no desire to answer, then do not do it
I don't think you MUST answer me
I ask who will answer - thank you very much
and who does not want and is annoyed - why waste time on answering me, especially not polite - I do not understand

But beginners also do not consider it necessary to show respect and at least look at a couple of pages above on the topic.

I read half of the topic, but did not find about the new Panasonic, and decided to ask
and also it is not very clear to me how the 2 previous paranoid models differ (which I had and a newer one)

A beginner should get the information he needs

I don’t think I owe you anything, sorry

My head is porridge, too lazy to read, and then they answered in the wrong tone.

you draw conclusions from your personal feelings, not facts
the fact is that I read more than half of the topic and did not find answers to all the questions
it happens
perhaps you have it differently
happy for you



I generally find aggression on this forum strange, earlier it seemed to me that there are (for the most part) helpful people who are always ready to help
for the first time I come across such tone and disdain here
"porridge in my head"
"too lazy to read"
if you consider it polite communication, then we have a different understanding of politeness
and there were also statements, but the author deleted them, at least it pleases ...

Marpl, but I do not like your tone in relation to beginners. The man asked for help without any complaints. And she did not touch you personally.

thank you so much for your support

beginners are different - some first read all the available information on the selected device, and then ask questions to decide on the model. And others from the doorway - hello, I want this ... My head is porridge, too lazy to read, and then they answered in the wrong tone.

Virgo, where does such snobbery and arrogance come from?
Moreover, Fleur is not a newbie - she has been on the forum for the fifth year. And I saw the bread maker not only in pictures in Yandex. Well, I don't want to answer you, so pass by. I would gladly give advice on the topic, but Fleur understands this issue better than me.

Virgo, where does such snobbery and arrogance come from?

thank you very much for your support
I am very pleased
and it is important that not only I found it impolite ...

[Arke]

Here I read the posts of new arrivals and wonder at their claims

Agree. It happens. That's why I didn't want to answer ...
I myself asked questions, before reading, there was a case ...

Through Search in Google I got to the site and immediately to the topic of Panasonic and to Arke clung to questions, I remember ...
About Rye, but about Sourdough.
Panasik was definitely advised to me. Any. I bought my 2501. And then I realized ... what's what. Where to go. And she began to read!

Fleur is no stranger - she's been on the forum for five years. And I saw the bread maker not only in pictures in Yandex.

So he will choose without problems. Knows us better.
Olya Biryusinka, in my opinion, Marina wrote in general. Not specifically about the last questioner.

[Olga]

Olga, but I do not look at the profile. I only look at the question. If there is time, I answer, thinking that it is more useful for a person to get an answer sooner.
And Fleur is better not to look for an offense, but to delve into the essence. We write, we do not want to offend, but the question was unsuccessful, vague, common with omissions.
Fleur, look from the outside. You are the owner of an advanced model, and you ask about dumplings and recipes in the instructions, and stuff like that. I do not look at your experience. What am I supposed to think about such a "owner"?
Yes, this is internet communication. There are reservations about this. You asked incorrectly, we answered sharply. Now there are misunderstandings on both sides. Let's have no offense. After all, neither you nor we wanted to offend you.

Let's have no offense

I am not offended by anyone, this is my choice

There are reservations about it

so why draw a conclusion and write about the fact that you are sure that I did not have a bread machine ...?

okay, the question is closed with you, I ask you not to answer me if you can
I don't want to strain you
thanks in advance

And I am sad for the collapsed dreams of Crostin. A kind person gave a link to the instructions for her. They did not bother with rye bread at all. And the choice of programs, frankly, is not very good. All the same, I am already turning more towards a healthy diet and the use of not only premium flour, but here ... Sadness in general

[Fleury80]

Fleury80, did you have Panasik 2512? What happened to her? And what did not suit you? Maybe so it will be clearer, what exactly can you advise?

And I am sad for the collapsed dreams of Crostin. A kind person gave a link to the instructions for her. They didn't bother with rye bread at all. And the choice of programs, frankly, is not very good. All the same, I am already turning more towards a healthy diet and the use of not only premium flour, but here ... Sadness in general

yes, that's the same sadness
but, here are my thoughts, to go see and touch it all the same ...
I would have a good batch, in general ... this is the main thing ...
maybe I'll go tomorrow, but I'm not sure yet

Fleury80, did you have Panasik 2512? What happened to her? And what did not suit you? Maybe so it will be clearer, what exactly can you advise?

stopped baking and kneading in a bread slicer and just sold it
I was not satisfied with only inefficiency, but this is only a personal impression, very subjective
in general, and how it kneaded and baked was excellent
I just stood idle for 1.5 years and sold
buying the same will be somehow strange or something :-)
I look at this - Unold 68125 Compact - captivating in size, but I did not find anything about its batch (real reviews)

in sadness for the collapsed dreams of crostin.

Sveta, so maybe a dream can be fulfilled if you have your current HP (it won't go anywhere)) and buy Krustina (as a second one). Expensive, of course. But if here's a Dream
I wanted to too ... but my husband said. New, you have to wait. What reviews will go ..

Buy Krustin (as a second one)

What's the point? I only needed it for rye and rye-wheat bread ... Although, you know, I read the instructions in Russian and ... I was horrified

The translation of types of flour for recipes was done by a person who is very far from baking. Why he called "baking wheat flour" "durum wheat flour" I do not know. Do you feel the difference ???

And yet, in Russian translation, the menu program for 4-5 hours sounds like "Whole-grain / Rye" ... The European also has this program, but it is called "Whole-grain" ... This translator translated "freely" and the program is the same, or else there are differences between the European and the Russian version

There are more questions than answers ...

[Sveta, Rita]

Sveta, Rita, if there is no rye bread program, then you are in a hurry with the "dream". It means only manual control, no automatic machine.
Let's say you decide to imitate "author's" in "rustic" with crusts. He's the hottest. We'll have to clean the mixer after kneading with handles, and what will be obtained - FIG knows. Kneading for rye is likely to be strong. I think only wheatrye will be good. And the rest of the modes there are generally not suitable even for an experiment. The pastries will not be the same.
That is, you dream of manual control, and only one program "Baking" attracts you. Isn't it not enough for such a sum?
Sveta.. well, you know, whole grain is kneaded and whole grain is crushed. Imitation rye on whole grain is SOMETHING. And also at the Central House the pastries are weak. Error in instructions. These two programs cannot be combined.

Maybe they will release more versions of the model later?
Panasiks have had three versions in the series all their lives. 0 - always been without rye bread. I see no reason for them to cheat on themselves now. Whole grains cannot be rye. According to Hamelman

There are more questions than answers ...

I feel that tomorrow I'll drive to the Panasonic brand store and leave with her :-)
maybe I'll play around and sell if it's not what I expected
if I buy - I will share information
maybe I'll change my mind right on the spot and take something else :-)



and the description says:
Crispy pastries: Basic crispy, Basic crispy, Basic filled, Whole grain / Rye bread, Whole grain flavored, Diet, Diet flavored

Kneading for rye is likely to be strong. I think only wheat-rye will be good. And the rest of the modes there are generally not suitable even for an experiment. The pastries will not be the same.

I'm offended.

Sveta .. you know, whole grain is kneaded and whole grain is crushed. Imitation rye on whole grain is SOMETHING. And at the Central House the pastries are weak. Error in instructions. These two programs cannot be combined.

I was completely offended.

Gentlemen of Panasonic! WHO translated the instructions for you ??? There is a complete blockage! And this is for the most expensive bread machine in the model range!

[Sveta]

Sveta, have no doubt. There is a mistake. They always have two programs: CZ - CZ with additives. And here, as always. Number 0, two central locks
Rye, alas, NO... It must be separate and with the parameters that we have in our instructions.

Rye, alas, NO

Well, I don't need it then. I will stay with my money and without another device in an already overloaded kitchen.

Well, it was not for nothing that I had these logically inexplicable suspicions and rejection of this crostina. We slightly changed the shape of the loaf and made a torn crust on wheat bread, such loud statements, in fact, just zilch. In my purely personal opinion, the stove was worsened, but the price was set to a cosmic one.

[Fleury80]

I feel that tomorrow I'll drive to the Panasonic brand store and leave with her :-)

Fleury80, excuse me, but I can ask you to check the presence of a service program on the "body" of xn, I am very interested in its presence, if it exists, then you can stir up rye on it too. Like many panasonicophiles, I allow myself to dream of crustin

Fleury80, excuse me, but I can ask you to check the presence of a service program on the "body" xn, I am very interested in its presence, if it is, then you can stir up rye on it too.

service is programmable?
if I get there, I will definitely check




on one foreign site in the reviews there is such a picture, no programmed mode


and the reviews say "No sourdough or rye programs"
well, yes, sadness ...
and more written
"Not all of the features - such as the timer, loaf size and crust color - are available for all programs. In fact, you're only able to choose loaf size M or L for four of the 'soft' bakes, and crust color - medium or light - for five of the 'soft' bakes. Meanwhile, the delay timer only works for basic recipes with no extra ingredients, so it's available on three of the hard bakes, one soft bake, and for pizza dough "what in general, somehow ... sad ...

[Fleury80]

service is programmable?

Fleury80 , this is a mode that is activated by pressing a combination of buttons, this one "Warm" rise of the test in the Panasonic SD-2501 service mode
In my opinion, this is not a programmable mode, it's just heating until you turn it off.

it's just heating until you turn it off

after reading the review, I have a feeling that this is a very stripped-down version of previous models .. very strange

[Fleury80]

after reading the review, I have a feeling that this is a very stripped-down version of the previous models ..

Fleury80, that's why I want to know about the service mode, its repairers use it to check if the heating elements are heating up, that's why it's called that. Honestly, the stove without this heating probably won't interest me anymore.
Immediately I pressed three buttons "Menu", "Crust color", "Start" at the same time, and then after all the symbols light up on the display at once, the "Size" button, the penasik picks up 8 times and comes to us "happiness", in the form heating as much as necessary, not in time, but in volume, with rye it is better to stand the dough.

[Fleury80]

Fleury80, you had a cool Panas that you sold. I don’t know why you don’t want the same one again, but I’m afraid Krostina may disappoint, especially for the money that Russia wants for her ...

I have 2501 Europeans, and then I am thinking hard whether to take a crostin or not ... In 2501 there is a service mode for picking up rye ... Well, dumplings, and a dispenser ... But crostin ... But, as I said, The pictures on the German Amazon of the breads that the owners baked are impressive (many).

Anyway, good luck with your choice!

Well, if you manage to find out or determine if there is a service one in it, it will be great! I would be grateful for this information, if you can find out and test in the salon