Help with choosing a bread maker

[sazalexter, gypsy]

sazalexter, gypsy
That's it - I'm leaving you for the Super Guides
I will continue to torment there with my questions ...

Well, and lastly - the fact that the roof of the bread sagged is not enough flour (tol wrote that he put a little less than the norm) or was everything baked normally?

And another suggestion, to the moderators - maybe it is worth combining two topics created tol in different sections in one in "Other HP"?

The roof of the bread did not sag much, one might even say did not sag at all (look at the photos with really sagging, there are a lot of them on the forum). If you want it very convex, then knead the dough thicker, but then there is a risk that the roof will rip off, that is, there will be a crack on the side.

Girls, help with advice !! You need HP with 2 whisks, for a large family, to bake a large loaf of bread - 1500g.

Girls, help with advice !! You need HP with 2 whisks, for a large family, to bake a large loaf of bread - 1500g.

If such a size fits, then it is done in Panasonic.

Weight 1650 grams.
Rye flour.
Cooking in 2 hours 45 minutes.

[Maryana61]

Girls, help with advice !! You need HP with 2 whisks, for a large family, to bake a large loaf of bread - 1500g.

Maryana61
I have two HPs, both are Mulinex, both with two mixers, both bake 1.5 kg. (and more) loaves, and do their job very well!

[Maryana,]

Maryana, https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=1062.0

Now I'll see what else you can find in Ukrainian stores ... I'll add a little later here.

Nooo ... except perhaps starting from 1250 g
Benten BN 9013
Clatronic BBA 2865
Delongi BDM 1200 S
Liberton LBM-05

Help with the choice of HP. Need not noisy, ate little electricity, baked small bread and made rye bread!

Panasonic 257, but the price is more than $ 200. USA

I really want a new HP, it stops from Panasonic that everything needs to be measured in grams, I got used to all of their measuring glasses on the LV, I have been using it for 7 years somewhere, but in my LV the old one dumplings do not mix well, but I would like to.... Holders of other HP and new LV, tell me where is the dough for dumplings well done? There are no complaints about the work of my HP, but the model is simplified - there is no separate baking and kneading, although the bread in it is excellent and I make dough for pies only in it! there is no cupcake function .. And I also saw the Russian cook function in the new LV - I don't quite understand what it is ..
.. Or already stop at Panasonic, but measure everything in grams? Sometimes I bake bread at home twice a day, a great connoisseur, a son, you can't keep up with it ..)))

.. Or already stop at Panasonic, but measure everything in grams?

Would buy only Panasonic. But, if I had bought it myself, and not given it, I would have bought it without a Spencer, I practically don't need it. It is not difficult to cover raisins or nuts or dill with just your hands. I think a model without a spencer is cheaper than mine.
Electronic scales are good business. Everything turns out fine, to be exact.

[mowgli]

mowgli, do not fool yourself. The dough is dough in Africa, no matter how you measure the products. The consistency of the dough depends on the proportions. Well, you will measure it with a measuring glass. The oven only mixes and bakes! If you are used to using the same measuring cup, continue to use it for health. Just figure out how much flour goes in the glasses you are used to, you will know what it is for a Panasonic loaf of X (400 g flour), L (500 g) or XL (600 g).

[mowgli]

mowgliIf you are used to using the same measuring cup, continue to use it for health. Just figure out how much flour goes in the glasses you are used to, you will know what it is for a Panasonic loaf of X (400 g flour), L (500 g) or XL (600 g).

And what is the largest loaf of 600 g in Panasonic?

[what is it for a loaf of Panasonic X (400 g flour), L (500 g) or XL (600 g).]

And what is the largest loaf of 600 g in Panasonic?

what is it for a loaf of Panasonic X (400 g flour), L (500 g) or XL (600 g).

I mean the laying of 400, 500, 600 grams of flour, 600 grams of flour will make a loaf weighing about 900 grams of finished bread.

Look here https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=115935.0

And what is the largest loaf of 600 g in Panasonic?

In Panasonic, the size of a loaf is determined by the weight of dry flour, the largest size is 600g of flour + other additives and the total weight of the loaf is about a kilogram.

And now it is clear, just in the LV instruction it is written on a 900 g loaf ... and further in the text, which is why I was surprised .. Thanks for the consultation ..

[flour and prepared bread]

And now it is clear, just in the LV instruction it is written on a 900 g loaf ... and further in the text, which is why I was surprised .. Thanks for the consultation ..

Should be carefully defined in terms of flour and prepared bread

If weight 400 grams of flour - I mean putting flour in the dough

If weight 900 grams loaf (bread) - this means the weight of the finished bread, then the flour for this bread will require less, about 600 grams

The weight of the flour is required to determine the amount of flour in the dough, and to obtain the weight of the finished bread.

The weight of the finished bread is required to determine when to bake the bread in the bread machine.

Hello.
I read your forum, because I also want to buy a bread maker.

At one time, I was choosing an air conditioner and I was faced with the fact that many models are very similar to each other, although the firms are different. When I began to compare these models and manufacturers in more depth, it turned out that all twin models are produced at the same factory, from the same components, differing only in name, packaging and price. And all this is made in China. It makes no sense for each company to build its own plant, one enterprise is being built, and in the future the company orders a certain number of products, adds some of its own insignificant differences in the form of color or shape or buttons, puts its own trademark on the products and sells them as their products. And most importantly, almost all companies are seen in such a production scheme, from the super famous ones to the ones that no one has heard of. In particular, everyone knows such a company as “SUPRA", But in fact such a manufacturer does not exist at all in nature, so try to find at least one official website or address of this company in non-Russia, except and «SUPRA»Exists only in the post-Soviet space and there is still a mention of some underdeveloped country in the Asian region. This company itself does not produce or develop anything, but only buys a batch of equipment at a cheap price, puts its label on it and sells it. So I advise you to choose the manufacturer that has a name and service centers in your region.

nd label and sells. So I advise you to choose the manufacturer that has a name and service centers in your region.

now there are service centers in each region for each brand. And they charge too much for a name. as well as for just a new bucket to the khpechke. Moreover, branded ovens are not always a guarantee of good baking, by the way.

Hello.
I read your forum, because I also want to buy a bread maker ...
So I advise you to choose the manufacturer that has a name and service centers in your region.

It was possible to write only this and with this no one argues - there is a special for this. the topic "Maybe you shouldn't overpay for brands ??" in which they discuss whether to pay for a name or not
The only thing I didn't understand is what you wanted in this thread? It seems like you started what you want to buy HP, but have not formulated your requirements for it ...
If you just wanted to express yourself, then there are other topics for this ... including the one I have indicated.

[DenRassk]

DenRassk, I think that everything is quite simple here - this is an element of an advertising campaign "by contradiction" - it seems that the brand is criticized, but there are links to sites where you can find the addresses of service centers, the name is clearly highlighted.

The person registered, after 20 minutes issued ONE single voluminous message (most likely an early preparation) and immediately disconnected. The user's last activity coincides with the time this post was created.

But I'm thinking about taking Kenwood, Panasonic or LV, I need to knead the dough well on dumplings ...
My Skier ran to the finish line after an 8 year race .. I have been sitting for 2 weeks without bread ... .. I already sootted ..

Mowgli, look at finance. Panas have the smallest percentage of breakdowns. The Kenwoods have enough problems, but it is sometimes possible to buy spare buckets. And what about modern skis, I don't know.

[What i wanted to say]

The only thing I didn't understand is what you wanted in this thread?

If you just wanted to express yourself, then there are other topics for this ... including the one I have indicated.

Kind time of the day.
What i wanted to say- Yes, actually nothing, just on pages 10 - 11 there was a conversation about the similarity of HP of different companies, so I tried to explain why this happens.
Why in this thread? - Where I read it and wrote it.

And I will add - as a rule, Brand firms are developers of their devices and are very jealous of quality, and firms that simply purchase finished products for sale have the main goal of making a profit without worrying too much about their brand, when ordering production they order cheaper materials, here because of this, they have a high bounce rate. When buying such products, you always need to be prepared for the fact that in a month, the device may break down, or maybe work well for 10 years. Who's as lucky... That is why I take any purchase very seriously, and these are not always Brand firms, although the vast majority of my home appliances are still not cheap things, but from what I personally chose and bought, nothing has broken yet ...
They chose Panasonic SD-257, the price with delivery is 7200 rubles, the device is wonderful, it bakes beautiful bread. Thank you.

E. When buying such products, you always need to be prepared for the fact that in a month, the device may break down, or maybe work well for 10 years.

this applies to any technique, not just non-brand. The largest number of breakdowns in the first month and after 10 years

[Topic: Help with choosing a bread machine.]

this applies to any technique, not just non-brand. The largest number of breakdowns in the first month and after 10 years

Anything can break, nothing is eternal, but when buying a product we want it to work the way we expect it from it, and not so that we can then run around services.
I just tried to state in this topic (which by the way is called "Topic: Help with choosing a bread machine.»), Your own approach to buying equipment and share it, because not everyone knows that some companies exist only on the Internet and do not produce anything themselves.
In fact, overpaying for the Brand, we pay not only for the inscription on the device, but also for the development of this device, drawings, patents, fine-tuning, service tests, warranties, for a gear made of metal, not silumin, etc. and T. P. In nature, there are not so many companies that can afford these developments, and the rest only copy, reduce the cost and sell, and then we say "Brand ovens are not always a guarantee of good baking, by the way." YES may and may not always, well, as a rule, the developer's and manufacturer's technology is of a higher quality in performance, reliability and has a more advanced service.
Of course, a lot of things are flooded with personal wealth, but I'm not rich enough to buy things of dubious production.

[YES maybe not always]

In nature, there are not so many companies that can afford these developments, and the rest only copy, reduce the price and sell, and then we say "Brand ovens are not always a guarantee of good baking, by the way." YES maybe not always, Well, as a rule, the technology of the developer and manufacturer is of higher quality in performance, in reliability and has a more advanced service.

well then, as the poet said * everyone chooses for himself * - which is better - expensive and not too well baked branded HP (in which the upper crust does not bake, the draft blows through the window and it is necessary to lay a towel on top to warm it and for charm) or a cheap but excellent baking oven... And then, by and large, you should not bother with the service. It's easier to buy a new one in 2 years. Buckets are almost never changed anyway. They are thrown away and forced to buy new ones. A bucket in Moulinex that fits my Delphi costs 300 gr. And I have a whole stove 600. And in the service of these buckets !!! This means that branded ones fly in the same way as non-branded ones. And the point then? They also break for 80. cu. e. and for 300. And why should I then overpay for drawings, patents and service tests.

In fact, overpaying for the Brand, we pay not only for the inscription on the device, but also for the development of this device, drawings, patents, fine-tuning, service tests, warranties, for a gear made of metal, not silumin, etc. and T

the more so as they did not learn something in these tests.

[IRR]

IRR Brands are also different There are those who do not eliminate design errors for years, but there are those who do not make these mistakes in principle

And wow, I do not agree with the posing of the question

T. D and T. P. In nature, there are not so many companies that can afford these developments, and the rest only copy, reduce the cost and sell, and

sometimes these firms, which can afford to go further, simply sell entire production lines, and the model continues to come out, but only under a different name. And it is right. If this model is successful, why would anyone reinvent the wheel.

[IRR]

IRR In a slightly different way, in the world of everything there are a couple of production models.
Proprietary i.e. own, for example Panasonic.
OEM-ODM
ODM (original design manufacturer) is a manufacturer of an original product that is created according to his own design.
ODM contract is a type of cooperation between two firms, in which one firm orders another for the development and production of a certain product (for example, equipment, or software, etc.), and then releases it for sale under its own trademark.
More details:https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=26545.0
License (now found mainly in the automotive industry)

I've been thinking about HP for a long time, because I don't really like purchased bread.
I want a reliable and simple stove. Rye bread and white oven. Sometimes sweets.
On yandex. the market looked after three models:
Panasonic SD-257
Tefal OW4002 Dual Home Baker
LG HB-205CJ.
I liked Algie initially. But it is embarrassing that this company has a washing machine. I'm not very happy with her. Sometimes it is necessary to wash in the second circle, because it does not tear things well. Ie, it works, but the quality .. Ahem. What if it’s the same with the stoves?
Or, maybe, attention should be paid to other firms altogether?

I've been thinking about HP for a long time, because I don't really like purchased bread.
I want a reliable and simple stove. Rye bread and white oven. Sometimes sweets.
...

Read on the forum sections dedicated to these stoves and sections where these models compare.
What people bake in these stoves, pay attention to what they complain about.
This will be the most correct action that will help you make an accurate choice.
It will be difficult, write in a personal.
Success!

Hello everyone! So the acquisition of Panasonic has broken off to us - not in the Baltics. and we can't get to Russia. What to do? The stores are
MOULINEX OW5023, OW6000, OW1101, OW3101
KENWOOD BM900, BM366
PHILIPS HD9020 / 40, HD 9040/90
ELECTROLUX EBM8000
SEVERIN BM3990
BOMANN / CLATRONIC BOMANN BBA 5002 CB

Which of this can you advise ???

What to do? The stores are

PHILIPS HD9020 / 40, HD 9040/90

Which of this can you advise ???

you can read about phillips here

Quite recently (a week ago), due to a breakdown of my x / p RTS Austria, I bought myself a x / p Burning1400E for the action !! I am very pleased with the purchase. BUT: I was very surprised by the baking result - the recipes that I baked in the old cotton did not always work out, although I measured everything on the scales strictly according to the recipe, followed the bun, etc., in Burning they go out with a bang !! The roof does not fall, well-mixed, baked, beautiful breads !! I have a great experience in baking, I have been baking for a long time. Obviously, hands are not always to blame, a lot depends on the stove itself !!

[korsar]

korsar, I suspect that such situations may be related to mains voltage.The German technology (which your RTC was) is designed for a little, but more voltage. I came across this when I tried to bake in a purely German Yunolde - the bread in it really differs from the Panasonic one. And the difference is tangible - the German equipment is designed for 230-240, and the one for the CIS market, after all, is under 220. The difference in voltage is up to almost 10%.

[Rina]

Rina! Yes, apparently you are right! I use the stove almost every day (the family is big), no misfires !!! And the ability to bake two different breads at once is simply impressive !!! Great bread maker! And I also like that when using the "Baking" function, it is possible to select a crust (I did not have this in the old x / p).

Hello everybody! I fired up the idea of ​​buying a bread maker, I am looking for a suitable one for myself. I read the forum, I did not find the exact information - if you bake without a dispenser, then bake when baking bread with additives will surely squeak in the middle of the night (I will bake at night in the morning)? Dear members of the forum, please see a few bread machines from what is in the available online store at the link below. Apparently from this choice there are no stoves with a dispenser (at least I did not find in the descriptions for them) Help with a choice from what is!
I would like to bake bread from whole grains, rye and with additives, but I really don't want it to squeak at night! (I think you can throw in the additives right away?). Well, the bucket with mixers is reliable. In general, then all desires.
On the site there is ozone (just if you take it on Ozone, then the delivery will be divine - in the region of 400 rubles. There is an Ozone office in the city, in any other online store the delivery is from 1500 rubles)

Smile ВМ 990, bread maker
Binatone BM 2170
Binatone BM 2169
Binatone BM 1068
Kenwood BM450
Tefal OW400230
Kenwood BM256
Binatone BM 2068
Moulinex OW 2000

I think in order to avoid the squeak, you need to look for HP, which has a SEPARATE program "with raisins" (or "with additives"). Because even with a dispenser, if this separate program is not there, the stove can be triggered every time, and this is a rather loud click.

It is undesirable to immediately throw in additives, the stoves quite often simply grind additives. Somewhere we even had a photograph (unfortunately, I can't find it) when a cherry was immediately put into the cake. The cake was almost uniformly colored red. I have ground the raisins like that.

Thank you!
I got the impression that the most reliable, quiet bakery with a dispenser is from Panasonic. Maybe I am wrong? I am a beginner and in the beginning I will bake on a full automatic machine (and after that, too, probably, I am not a fan of cooking). Why, for me, one of the main criteria of a breadmaker is complete automation of the process at all stages of baking. And panasy are not cheap due to apparently programs that allow you to cook according to your recipes, set it by hand, fantasize, which I’m unlikely to do.
Therefore, a question for experienced members of the forum - please advise to bake

1 full automatic machine at all stages of the process
2 lack of fancy programs for creativity (for your recipes)
3 the presence of a dispenser + baking programs "with raisins" or "with additives" - this is to exclude the beeping of the car at night (when baking bread in the morning with a delayed start)
4.Panas's price, in my opinion, is screwed up probably for additional functionality (programs for manual installation or maybe for a larger number of automatic programs)
In general, I probably need a primitive but reliable stove, and so that of course it does not squeak at night.

It is undesirable to immediately throw in additives, the stoves quite often simply grind additives. Somewhere we even had a photograph (unfortunately, I can't find it) when a cherry was immediately put into the cake. The cake was almost uniformly colored red. I have ground the raisins like that.

oh poor bread! What kind of stove made fun of him?

Why is he poor? Very cute and tasty Easter cake. I just put the dried cherries in right away, so they ground it.

1 full automatic machine at all stages of the process
2 lack of fancy programs for creativity (for your recipes)
3 the presence of a dispenser + baking programs "with raisins" or "with additives" - this is to exclude the beeping of the car at night (when baking bread in the morning with a delayed start)
4.Panas's price, in my opinion, is screwed up probably for additional functionality (programs for manual installation or maybe for a larger number of automatic programs)
In general, I probably need a primitive but reliable stove, and so that of course it does not squeak at night.

1 Full automatic
2 Lack of user programs
3 Availability of dispenser SD 2501/2502
4 The price consists of technologies, materials, production experience and debugging programs since 1987
Professional testers are used to test their equipment, not housewives
It will squeak only at the end and very quietly. This is by the way a proprietary feature of all Panasonic technology.

Why is he poor? Very cute and tasty Easter cake. I just put the dried cherries in right away, so they ground it.

Is this Panas-253 so "kind"?

Is this Panas-253 so "kind"?

In this case, yes. But any other will do it too, if you let her.

1 Full automatic
2 Lack of user programs
3 Availability of dispenser SD 2501/2502
4 The price is based on technology, materials, experience in manufacturing and debugging programs since 1987
Professional testers are used to test their equipment, not housewives
It will squeak only at the end and very quietly. This is by the way a proprietary feature of all Panasonic technology.

I have a cartoon Panas-18, I'm happy with everything, it also works for me like an automatic machine - I don't bother with extra. fried and make simple dishes - really put everything and press 1 button, well, take out the finished dish, of course. so for all its merits, covering his pan is like in the cheapest Chinese cartoon! And his bucket from the stove - what?

Here is one of the reviews about the Panasonic SD-2501WTS from the market, how objective is it?

Pluses: Nice appearance, good plastic, nice picture. But not more.

Disadvantages: The kneading spatula does not reach the long edges of the container (the container is rectangular, the spatula almost rests against the walls in narrow places) and the flour is not kneaded into the dough in these places. As a result, significant pieces of flour remain on the loaf.

Here is one of the reviews about the Panasonic SD-2501WTS from the market, how objective is it?

Pluses: Nice appearance, good plastic, nice picture. But not more.

Disadvantages: The kneading spatula does not reach the long edges of the container (the container is rectangular, the spatula almost rests against the walls in narrow places) and the flour is not kneaded into the dough in these places. As a result, significant pieces of flour remain on the loaf.

a review of a person who does not possess at least elementary spatial thinking and is very far from working with the test. If the spatula "reaches" to the "long" edges of the container, then it simply will not be able to turn in the "narrow" ones. The fact that the flour remains in the corners is a problem of the notorious (in a good sense of the word) flour / liquid balance. If the amount of ingredients is correctly selected, flour will not remain in the corners!

By the way, I have a round container in my Yunold, the stirrer seems to "pick up" everything well, but only one BUT. In Panasonic, the bun, rolling, beats against the walls, which has a very good effect on the structure of the dough. And in a round form, the dough is not kneaded so well, it just spins and that's it.

Thank you Rina, valuable information for me about the shape of a bucket for the quality of the batch! In general, it was 1 out of 2 negative reviews (23 positive) about this model, but it costs 6000 with a penny! I read here on the forum thoughts that for a beginner and probably not a gourmet - it's better to buy a simple cheaper model without bells and whistles, cat. will not be used anyway and after if the soul wants to buy better. But at the same time, problems with a squeak or with a batch are not at all necessary - otherwise I suspect the oven will not be in demand at all!

Why won't it be in demand? Any stove will work, you just find the required algorithm, the time when to start the program. In addition, if the stove lives in the kitchen, and the doors to the room are closed, then the sound will either be completely inaudible, or it will be somewhere very far and quiet.

I can hear everything very well! The kitchen is open without a wall. I just compare what is happening on the cartoon market - Panas is not the cheapest cartoon on it, but not bad. the quality of the pan coating is bad, if I took 1 cartoon for myself now, it would not be Panas, there are similar multi, there are almost clones in general, and the cost is 2 times cheaper! For the money. what is worth a cartoon Panas-18, you can take more advanced devices! Therefore, I think - yes, the Panas stove is good. but the same is probably for less money! The market for stoves is completely new to me and I rush from model to model, it turns out that it’s quite a mess.

a review of a person who does not possess at least elementary spatial thinking and is very far from working with the test. If the spatula "reaches" to the "long" edges of the container, then it simply will not be able to turn in the "narrow" ones. The fact that the flour remains in the corners is a problem of the notorious (in a good sense of the word) flour / liquid balance. If the amount of ingredients is correctly selected, flour will not remain in the corners!

By the way, I have a round container in my Yunold, the stirrer seems to "pick up" everything well, but only one BUT. In Panasonic, the bun, rolling, beats against the walls, which has a very good effect on the structure of the dough. And in a round form, the dough is not kneaded so well, it just spins and that's it.

ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!!!
I tried both the round bucket and the square bucket (Scarlet 400), but the best dough comes out in a rectangular bucket!