81ruslan81
Hello everyone, I thought about buying a stove, read it on the forum - so many abstruse that I was already confused), a number of questions appeared

1. What else do you need to buy in addition to HP? Well, I understand the scales, but what else?
2. What set of products is needed for making bread, everything is sold in stores, in that sense, maybe some special flour is needed there?

Well, in fact, which oven to choose, there may be several options, I would like, of course, that the choice of bread that can be cooked was larger, well, maybe there are buns or something else, I count on about UAH 1,500 (this is about 5,400 Russian rubles ) + -,
81ruslan81
Can I stop at KENWOOD BM 450?
DenRassk
I'll start with the products we use at home:
- wheat flour Makfa in two-kilogram bags
- peeled rye flour Kudesnitsa in kilogram bags
- water from the Aquaton filter
- Samara milk 6 percent
- ordinary butter in packs
- vegetable oil Yug Russi
- Saf-Moment yeast 100 g each or Haas 10 g each
- granulated sugar (written in Krasnadar, packaged by a private entrepreneur in Tyumen)
- dried apricots, raisins, nuts from the market
From the entire list, I advise you to pay attention to flour and yeast - they should be the freshest you can find. I deliberately go through the counters in the store in search of "fresh meat"

As for HP, if you can buy a Kenwood 450 for the specified money, then that's great, but (damn it, I feel that they will write me to the Binaton adherents), but if you want HP with programming, then maybe you should look at Binatone 2068 - reviews on the forum about it strictly positive, functionally distinguished by the absence of a dispenser (no matter what they say, but today we are baking the third Easter - it’s convenient that you don’t need to follow it and falls asleep when you need it) and Binaton's programming is more flexible than Kenwood's. Here here a topic about different programmable HPs - read.
If you just need HP to bake bread - buy, for example, like my Supra BM 355 - you will not regret it (you can see in the topic about her what bread do we get). We mainly bake cheese wheat-rye, muffins and now Easter ... one has already been eaten ... did not wait ..
Rita
If I were you, I would first buy myself a cheap bread maker to understand whether I need it at all. Moreover, the owners of many cheap models praise them. The programming in the Kenwood 450 is goofy. Intermediate mixes cannot be canceled, which makes it impossible to bake rye bread. And there is no special program for rye in it. You can, of course, bake rye. It is necessary after the first long batch to remove the mixer. But what's the point of vaunted programming?
In general, if my bread maker did not cost me $ 125, I would not buy it. I bought it for a stock.
Objectively, she bakes good bread. Better than my previous Ariete. But worse than my girlfriend's Panasonic.
In addition, the gasket on the bucket flew off, because of which the shaft rusted and stopped spinning. But I was lucky - the warranty expired in a month, and I changed the bucket for a new one. The new bucket has a better gasket.
Although she looks super! But now there are many beautiful bread machines of other forms - Electrolux, for example. And cheaper.
81ruslan81
Quote: Rita

Intermediate mixes cannot be canceled, which makes it impossible to bake rye bread. And there is no special program for rye in it. You can, of course, bake rye. It is necessary after the first long batch to remove the mixer. But what's the point of vaunted programming?
Well, I read it on the forum, there are recipes, it seems from Vanya28 there are rye bread baking

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