Dishwasher selection (1)

My soot from the pans went off normally and with powder at t = 45C, but not Calgonite, and I don't use tablets at all, I like the powder better.

[teronru]

teronru Bosch SRV 55T13 EU Better Drying Class A
But I would take a closer look at AEG F 88410 V or AEG F 84470 VI
they are with turbo-drying, practice has shown that the quality of washing-drying is very high

Anastasia
Tefal still has a series of dishes, look at the bottom there should be a series of stewpan. And for the first time I hear about Belarusian dishes. What kind of firm?

I will not say a Belarusian company, we were in Belarus last summer and just in the household. store bought - I only know that local production is absolutely certain. I am very sorry that we haven’t taken the same Belarusian-made gossell-well-made-the lid is corrugated, it can serve both as a lid for the gosper and a grill pan. I didn't think that the frying pan would be so good, so I was afraid to take the goose maker.
Tefal stewpan - oddly enough, but without a series on the bottom, only Tefal number 40432 - I bought it for a very long time, it is very heavy, with a thermal spot. I just found what it looks like and a description 🔗 ... That's how many years ago I bought, and mine in the dishwasher.

It becomes bad for those dishes that have non-coated aluminum on the back (please do not throw rotten tomatoes at me) there are such dishes on the farm
Purchased before the appearance of PM in the family.

That's how I thought! I have just such a frying pan (I recently took it out of the trash storage and put it back into circulation), and I kept thinking whether to wash it in the PMM. It looks like it will wash if I'm going to throw it away ... And also bought before the dishwasher appeared.

[Anastasia]

Anastasia Does aluminum shine on the back?
Or has become matte with "shells"

[Anastasia]

Anastasia Does aluminum shine on the back?
Or has become matte with "shells"

Matt, well, I would not say that the sinks are just a flat bottom.

You misunderstood me, excuse me. I want to ask not about the flatness of the dishes but about the state of the aluminum.
T. To the basis of any detergent in PM is alkali

You misunderstood me, excuse me. I want to ask not about the flatness of the dishes but about the state of the aluminum.
T. To the basis of any detergent in PM is alkali

Why, I understood. Aluminum that is outside. Yes, matte, probably exposed to alkali, but I don't care much - the main thing is that inside there is no flaw in Teflon. I have a ladle, also Teflon inside and with an aluminum bottom, I have it for brewing herbs, so I don’t wash it in the PMM, there’s nothing to do, so his aluminum is also far from shiny. So I think aluminum in general is affected very easily. But he doesn't come into contact with my food.

Tefal stewpan - oddly enough, but without a series on the bottom, only Tefal number 40432 - I bought it for a very long time, it is very heavy, with a thermal spot. I just found what it looks like and a description 🔗 ... That's how many years ago I bought, and mine in the dishwasher.

I'm going to buy the same one. Its description (so as not to look in the internet):
-Long service life and high temperature resistance
-Smooth inner 4-layer non-stick coating
-External non-stick black coating
-Guaranteed excellent results thanks to the Thermospot heating indicator
-Anti-deformation thick bottom
-Internal and external non-stick coating - dishwasher safe
-For glass-ceramic, halogen, electric and gas stoves
- Spacious and splash-proof thanks to deep shape
-d-24 cm

My soot from the pans went off normally and with powder at t = 45C, but not Calgonite, and I don't use tablets at all, I like the powder better.

I have 45 soot not to say that it washed off, rather it went away, I then rubbed it with a sponge with the fery the old fashioned way. which, as I understand it, 15 is rinsing (if I'm wrong, correct me)

The only inconvenience is when you wash dishes with a Teflon coating in PMM, they do not dry completely, just like plastic, there are drops that must be wiped off with a cloth, otherwise they dry into white spots.
Well this is a trifle.

Shurshun soot made sense from 3 times, after the machine I didn't wash it with my hands, the 45C program sets the time automatically depending on the amount of dishes from 26 to 34 minutes and, to be honest, I don’t know how much the machine washes and how much time it takes. The program did not use others, since everything is fine at 45C.

The program time for 45 degrees is not automatic for me, my standard is 30 minutes. (BOSCH SMS 63M02 EU)
I washed the frying pan with my hands because it was interesting how much the soot became softer - I love experiments and experiments, then I dig into them - I draw conclusions

Girls answer - Bosch 45 cm 78 model - the lid is removed there in order to cram it under the countertop? It is freestanding.

As a rule, from the back there are 2-3 screws from the top that grab the cover, and from the front there are L-shaped locks. Lift the unscrewed part to the top and fold the roof towards you (in front)

Thank you so much. Along the way, another question - about the bar that protects the tabletop. Where they didn't ask us, everyone shrugs their shoulders, where they plan the kitchen they don't know about it either. Where can I buy or order it, what is it called correctly?

I think in the company service (if you have one) you can order any spare part, it is only a matter of time (if not available, then it can take a very long time to carry it under the order) and money (as a rule, spare parts are much more expensive than those included in the kit upon purchase ). And since the built-in models have this thing, then there should be no problems. It seems to be called a vapor barrier (I did not find a name in the instructions)

thanks, I didn't think of going to the service, but now at least I can tell them correctly what I need

Hello everyone!
I have been a PMM user for 3 days already.
Some questions appear along the way.
Can the blender (Brown) and its components be washed in the PMM?
Small white spots also appear on some glasses. Not at all, but still. Can adjust the rinse aid settings, but in which direction?

For Brown, see the instructions for the Brown device.
About stains diminish number of desoldering agent

I thought about buying for a long time, but did not know how to approach the question of how to talk her husband into repairing the kitchen and buying PMM. New Year was celebrated with friends in Israel. When my husband saw the results of using PMM, he gave a hint about the purchase, and I supported it with a clever look.
As a result, after surfing the Internet and calculating the funds for the repair of the kitchen and toilet, I settled on an inexpensive version of BEKO DFS 5830. Now I'm waiting for the masters to finish the repair and install my girl in her place.
While standing in the middle of the hall in a box, by the way, along with the new stove, there is also VEKO glass-ceramics.
In general, all in new clothes, but I can not try !!!
As soon as I try it, I'll report back.

Shurshun, thanks! now I'm scouring the internet for detergents, etc.
It turns out to be a very exciting experience. You will learn so much information along the way

I recommend starting with
DISHWASHER POWDER KALGONIT 2,5KG
DISHWASHER SALT KALGONIT
DISHWASHER RINSE CALGONIT

it is difficult to invent a bicycle here. you can also take
DISHWASHER COMPUTER SOMAT STANDARD 44 TABLETS 880G - especially good for glass

DISHWASHER CALGONIT ALL IN 1 56 TABLETS 1154GR DISHWASHER CALGONIT ALL IN 1 56 TABLETS 1154GR - sparingly
and then try for diversity
DISHWASHER RINSE SOMAT BRILLIANT EFFECT 750ML
for care:
LIME REMOVER BAGI AVNIT 500ML

At one time I broke my head - then I chose the price I was looking for)) but everything turned out easier. As a result, I bought it for a year and started doing other things.

No matter how much you read, only by experience will you understand how to properly lay the dishes. Try to wash on a 45-degree program - many people switch to it. I only washed the first time on a full program. There is nothing difficult in the dishwasher, except for choosing it itself. And nothing more exciting than the first wash))) I read so many forums - I was worried about glass more. And my baby so washed the dishes for the oven (until the multicooker appeared, the problem of nasty things still existed) that you can't wash it with your hands)
Now it is so pleasant to say: "I am glad my relatives that you all liked breakfast, lunch, dinner. Don't worry - go and rest, I will wash everything myself" ... And I put it in the dishwasher ... Household I - horror

And I don't like Calgonite. I use Domax powder and Crystal-fix rinse, no streaks and chemical smell from the machine.

we have hypermarkets such as metro, tape, okay. I'll walk through the assortment next week. It will definitely be cheaper than in a regular store. And there is more choice.

And I don't like Calgonite. I use Domax powder and Crystal-fix rinse, no streaks and chemical smell from the machine.

Where do you buy it? I did not see. We only have calgonite and somat

I bought Bugy dishwasher powder. Seems OK.

Powders and rinses are about the same in composition!
With the possible exception of Kristall-Fix, it does not have a microabrasive in its composition, but it is also more expensive

With regard to stains, it was also, reduced the rigidity - the amount of rinse aid began to give excellent results. I heard about the firm crystal-fix, I used them by other means - very good, I agree. His funds are expensive for me.

I bought Bugy dishwasher powder. Seems OK.

An excellent Israeli firm Bagi, I have this firm almost everything for cleanliness in the house. And for computers and stoves and sinks. They are on sale at METRO. There they are cheaper than others.

And I have such a powder for a dishwasher made in Austria. I tried it once. and now I buy it. I like it very much, I save sometimes, I do not sleep enough, I turn on the dishwasher for a full cycle, where T 70 *, and a little bit of powder, and washes everything well.

at 70 degrees, it washes out remarkably with water alone - I tried it) The washing time is more than 2 hours - session) I read the forums - I did not like the reviews about Claro, so I did not dare.

I tried many, including colganite and others, I liked Claro.
Washes at any T, and at 45 * you can not get enough powder, but I choose 70 * a little powder - and the result is excellent. I forgot to finish writing - a Bosch machine.

Where do you buy it? I did not see. We only have calgonite and somat

I first bought it in Platypus, but now there is no choice at all, now I buy Your House in the store.

There is no hope for the platypus, it's good that I bought everything for 2 years in advance 9 I hope that's enough) when they had a very good choice and reasonable prices. It's a pity that because of the savings on employees, the platypus is falling apart and losing customers. Komus is more stable in terms of service too. When I rushed about in a choice, I ordered there, then in the Duck. If I’m in your house, I’ll ask the price, otherwise it’s inconvenient to ask prices - some people react very painfully. Then I will write down what I saw and how much.

Shurshun, I react normally, Domax bought at 183 rubles. for 1 kg it is enough for an average of 2 months, and as I bought it in November, I still have half the bottle.

Thank you. I have been using the machine since January, they say there is enough rinse aid for about six months - and judging by the half remaining for you, for a longer time. I, too, did not use up half of it in 3 months. I reduced the rinse aid by 1 unit so that there were no streaks.
I bought in Duck 06.02.09 calgonite powder 2.5 kg for 462 rubles, that is, 1 kg came out to 184.80 rubles.
Powder Crystal fix is ​​more expensive, of course, but DOMAX is in the same range.

[Shurshun]

Shurshun Do not forget about salt, otherwise the ion exchanger will fail and the repair will cost a lot
Clean dishes and soft bread for you!

and the salt was bought and the pills so that parents would get used to using it - elderly people, while let them indulge in pills (in the normal sense)
Thank you for your wishes. Same to you.

Hurrah!! Finally I got a dishwasher installed. I bought Aro powder and rinse aid from Metro (Metro brand). Salt Calgonite.
Yesterday I was washing all the dishes all day!
Everything that is clean already crunches. The pans (burnt bottom) are cleaner every time.
today I warmed up stewed cabbage with potatoes, I forgot, everything is burnt. I decided to arrange an exam for a typewriter. Has washed, without preliminary soaking !!! The husband is in shock, walks around, almost kisses the machine!
We decided that this is our best acquisition lately.

Still would! We underestimate such things until we actually experience them. It seems that all our life we ​​have washed with our hands, and then there will be some kind of unit. What can he do? But in fact, maybe! And how! And you begin to understand that everything was not invented by fools and if there are any benefits of civilization, then you need to use them!

Congratulations!!!

Today I noticed that there were small scratches on the glass jar over the entire surface after washing. Why is this? I thought that the bank was not designed for PMM. I looked at the Luminarkovsky plates, also small scratches on the inside along the bottom.
Tell me, what could it be? From what?
Mine at the pace. 50g.

in the summer, banks for twisting my PMM, there are no scratches.

And on the plates: maybe these are scratches from a knife and a fork? ...

And on the plates: maybe these are scratches from a knife and a fork? ...

I agree completely. I also have Luminark dishes and scratches only from a knife and a fork on the plates for the second.

Maybe I put somehow incorrectly that a can of 3 liters. spinning?

in any case, nothing will probably reach the inner bottom of a 3-liter jar,

in any case, nothing will probably reach the inner bottom of a 3-liter jar

The scratches are not on the bottom, but on the outside on the sides.

Micro scratches and must be because the powder contains a "soft" abrasive
There is only Crystal-fix without abrasive in our market, but it is more expensive than ordinary powder

So I have not micro scratches, but small, but very prominent. I'll try to take a picture, if it still happens.

[sakur @]

sakur @ on my dishes, believe me! I was worried too, but now I'm not worried then I'll buy a new one

Maybe someone has PM Veko DFN 6835, Zanussi ZDF 204 or Indesit. Help with the choice There is little choice in stores. I really want to buy a unit, maybe someone will tell you which model to pay attention to, but which one is not even better to look at. Thank you all in advance.