Dishwasher selection (1)

Good people help!

Halfway through the program, the dishwasher stops and the display shows error "A08". : (There is nothing written in the instructions for such an error. Maybe someone knows, please write! Indesit IDE44 dishwasher.

I also have such a car. I got up a couple of times, but the error code was different.
I searched the Internet: Most likely problems with the temperature sensor
You need to call the service center, say the error code and call the wizard, maybe he will fix it on the spot.

Boobu, thanks. But all the same, excuse the intrusiveness,: red: what is this insulation from? (in the sense of the material) And then the husband is nervous because of the knowledge I received from the forum, and makes noise

Help me please! I want to buy a dishwasher, I reviewed everything I found. In terms of technical parameters, I liked the Whirlpool adg 789 and wp 75/2. Maybe someone is or who knows what. Educate how they work. Thank you very much in advance!

Verona, tell me, did you buy a Whirlpool after all? I also liked its characteristics, but lean more towards a wide 60 cm. Which is wp 75/2. If you bought it, congratulations on it, share your impressions

[Doremi]

Doremi, do not worry, the instructions, as a rule, say whether it is possible and how to install your car under the tabletop (I wrote - remove the top cover and put it under the tabletop, plus a small diagram). We did not use any additional materials and they were not required according to the instructions. The worktop above the PM is slightly warm during washing.
If this is very important for you - ask on the forum or read the topic about PM, there you will be given a more qualified answer IMHO

in order for the steam to escape faster, I do not open it slightly after washing, but open the door completely for a couple of minutes

By the way, in the instructions for the Electrolux it is recommended to do just that, a couple of words, even with a rubbish dryer, you have to go somewhere :)

Boobu, thanks. But all the same, excuse the intrusiveness,: red: what is this insulation from? (in the sense of the material) And then the husband is nervous because of the knowledge I received from the forum, and makes noise

My Siemens has some kind of artificial felt. In theory, you can use basalt wool, so my friends insulated it. And so I would take a false insulation, which is suitable for saunas - it is not afraid of heat or water :)

Hello everyone! We bought a dishwasher yesterday! I read the instructions and immediately a question arose, help me with an answer.
It says there is no 3 in 1 function in our model. What does this mean? I realized that the 3 in 1 function is when in one tablet there is both detergent and salt and rinse aid. Or does it mean that pills should not be used at all? The thing is that I have already bought all the products separately - salt, rinse aid, but I took the detergent in tablets. What should I do, change to powder? Or is it possible to take pills?

With the 3-in-1 function (unlike a conventional wash), the machine does not require (and does not test for its absence) softening salt and shuts off the rinse aid flow into the wash chamber (it is assumed that it is in the tablet).
Therefore, you simply put a tablet in your car and do not pay attention to the lit indicator of the lack of salt and rinse aid (if you, of course, did not put them in the car).

Just take into account that 3-in-1 tablets are much more expensive than a set of products and, in addition, softening salt is added in it based on the average water hardness. In Moscow, the water is harder.

lilian and also keep in mind that on a short program the tablet does not completely dissolve.

Thank you so much! Now I'm trying to determine the hardness of the water in our city, I'm from Kursk. I found the test strips with great difficulty at the pet store.

I have a dishwasher Ariston ml429, I am very happy with it, I remove the hardness of the water with dishwasher salt, and I agree that the tablets are worse and much more expensive. After all, it happens that the load is not full, so break off the tablet, and the tablet on a short program does not dissolve to the end and whitish streaks remained on my dishes.

And in what form is it better to buy a detergent - in tablets, powder or liquid? Although I haven't seen the latter in our stores.

lilian don't bother and buy powder.

And in what form is it better to buy a detergent - in tablets, powder or liquid? Although I have not seen the latter in our stores.

post number "Reply # 601: 15 December 2008, 10:43:06" on page 41 of this thread, everything has already been discussed and calculated.

Dear forum users! Help me find instructions for the Indesit IDL 40 dishwasher

Are there any owners of PMM Krona?
By functions like what you need 🔗
But they started to release them, apparently not so long ago, as in terms of quality and reliability, I wonder?
The price attracted - only 16 thousand for 60 cm PMM, so I think they are inexpensive, because the brand is not promoted or the quality is so-so?

Mary_ufa, when I was looking for a dishwasher in stores, I didn’t see this, look better. VEKO will be cheaper, and girls who are happy with the AGE.

"Girls who are happy with their eyelids" is me
I bought my Vekoshka in October at a discount in M. Video for some ridiculous money (6 thousand, if I'm not mistaken) My dishes every day. The dishwasher is simply gorgeous for its money. All functions are there. washes well, I am really satisfied. Take a closer look at these Turkish women, maybe you will be impressed.
I can't say anything about Krona. Although in stores. you are right, a large assortment. Also hoods. and gas stoves ... But I don't know the users.

I didn’t even consider Beko, somehow the Turkish technique didn’t seem serious to me .. But just say, it washes well - you have to look :-)
Krona is basically a German mark, only where it is collected is unknown.

I found Beko, like Krona for 16 thousand - 🔗
But Beko doesn't seem to have a half load ..
But Crohn: 🔗
(there the price of 17.5 is indicated, but taking into account the disk. cards can be bought for 16.2).

And when you consider, open several dishwashers at once and try to find the difference between them. Don't look at the names! ;) You will see that VEKO does not differ a bit in terms of build quality, appearance and number of programs. If your model does not have a 3 in 1 function (tablets), then don't! here everyone has already come to the conclusion that pills are costly and not justifiable acquisition. Better powder. In my eyelid there is a 3-in-1 function, but I do not use it.
Last thing. The warranty is 2 years. Who else gives so much? BOSCH, just probably ...
Go to the official website of VEKO, see the models. Then take a look in stores ...

Ahh .... So you were looking for the BUILT-IN dishwasher ..... This, of course, changes the matter ... Here on the official website VEKO found their insertions:
🔗
There are no prices, write off the models and look at Yandex on the Market, what are the average prices.
I have a freestanding model. and they are always cheaper. than built-in. There is a half load. But I don’t use it. First, the dishes always accumulate enough. and secondly, to save 2 liters of water ... somehow frivolous ... Above on the branch discussed this "half load" function.
I can't find the official website of Krona yet ... sorry ...

"Girls who are happy with their eyelids" is me
I bought my Vekoshka in October at a discount in M. Video for some ridiculous money (6 thousand, if I'm not mistaken) My dishes every day. The dishwasher is simply gorgeous for its money. All functions are there. washes well, I am really satisfied. Take a closer look at these Turkish women, maybe you will be impressed.
I can't say anything about Krona. Although in stores. you are right, a large assortment. Also hoods. and gas stoves ...But I don't know the users.

CENTURY has been assembled in the Far East for a long time, I am glad that you are satisfied with your car, but in our country CENTURY is not considered a serious technique, maybe they are used to relying on brands

CENTURY has been assembled in the Far East for a long time, I am glad that you are satisfied with your car, but in our country CENTURY is not considered a serious technique, maybe they are used to relying on brands
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CENTURY has been assembled in the Far East for a long time, I am glad that you are satisfied with your car, but in our country CENTURY is not considered a serious technique, maybe they are used to relying on brands

Vorona, I, too, do not consider CENTURY a serious technique! I was tempted, to be honest, by the price. I could not hold out for Bosch, I decided that I would take some Italian: Indesit, Ariston, Ardo ... I have a washing machine Ardoshka - well done, he works hard. The march through the home appliance supermarkets brought me to despondency - the range of dishwashers was minimal. That. that I saw on the Internet in stores and is not in sight. And Internet prices too ... And here on you: a promotion - 30% and a ridiculous price ... I thought: yes, in general, it is not known how much I need this dishwasher! Maybe I will only wash my galoshes during the season?
Well, I bought it. and it turned out okay! Washes everything, including galoshes! Not noisier and not more voracious than girlfriend PM.
And where they collect ... Oh, yes, this is the coolest question without an answer ... And our bread makers are everywhere, and cartoons, and TV-refrigerators .... We bought a car last year. Opel. German Brand. Collected (judging by the documents) in Poland. The jack was given as a bargain, such a cunning ... My husband began to examine, and there "maid in South Africa" ​​was knocked out Cool ... But already 15 thousand have passed and did not sneeze - this is the most important thing!

Girls, what's the difference where the most important thing is to work well and without breakdowns.

And tell me, pliz, more about the PMM CENTURY. What is their manufacturer's service life? How long does it work for you? Did it break? Are there any complaints?

Oh ... What can I say ... I bought it in October. Here is my beauty:
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For some reason, they did not write that there is a half load. What do you like:
1. Bright, easy-to-read display.
2. Included was a water hardness tester.
3. Doesn't emit any signals at all.
4. Programs for all types of dishes.
In October, after the purchase, I poured salt (more than half a pack was included), poured a softener (a third of a liter bottle)
My dishes every day, on weekends 2 times. Salt and rinse aid indicators are not yet on.
Canister of powder "Calgonite" 2.5 kg is running out in a few days. I don't use half load. If there are a lot of dishes, I add 2 tsp. powder. if not enough - one. That's all.
Nine out of 10 cycles are Quick & Clean program. This is "Fast and Clean" - washing temperature 65 degrees, washing time - 58 minutes. True, not all dishes have time to dry, but they wash cleanly. On long programs (intensive 70 degrees, IVF, etc.)
the dishes are dry.
In the lower basket, the holders can be folded, the upper basket is adjustable in height ... In general, everything is like everyone else!
I can't say about the service life, but the warranty is exactly 2 years.
Someone from the repairmen will tell me (mine didn’t break. It just started the conversation) that VEKO is being assembled on the same conveyor with Whirlpool ... We can and nonsense, but they really are sooooo similar inside. Of course, "Fedot, but not the one" happens, but again, back to that. that it is more and more difficult to figure out who, where and by whom. And all equipment, no matter what, breaks down. Here they hope more for luck ...

it turns out that a delay is needed only for those who have 2-tariff meters?

In general, you are right. I have 1.6 rubles during the day and 0.35 rubles at night. per kW / hour (in 2008 prices) and, as a rule, the last dishes are reported to the dishwasher at 10 pm and you need a clean one in the morning. this is where we proceed. I gave a more detailed calculation in all parameters in this thread.

By the way, about the economy of email. energy you wrote (on page 39):

"Energy consumption class Electricity consumption, kWh / kg
A + <0.17
A 0.17 ... 0.19
B 0.19 ... 0.23
C 0.23 ... 0.27
D 0.27 ... 0.31
E 0.31 ... 0.35
F 0.35 ... 0.39
G> 0.39
This is for washing machines (for dishwashers, the difference is no more), but the principle will now be clear: if the machine is 5 kg. laundry - then the maximum difference between class A and B will be 0.3 kW / hour, so when a class A and class B washing machine is running every day for a month, a class B machine will consume only 13.5 kW more than a class A machine (with a standard wash -1.5 hours, 60 degrees), in Moscow daytime! energy prices are about 22 rubles 30 kopecks, PER MONTH. What a huge difference between A and B is written by some, I do not understand. "

This is all right for you and me - Russians. And in Europe, the Baltics, electricity prices are about $ 1-1.5. And this is 20-30 times higher than ours! Therefore, Europeans are used to saving money. But for us with our cheap energy resources - on a drum (for now).

Yes, I'm sorry, I wrote. Everything except the last paragraph.
True, the speech in my post is about the difference between class A and B, and not between the night and day rates. So the savings will be a little more. For a dishwasher, about 1.5 rubles every day (in 2008 prices) per month, respectively, 45 rubles, and about 540 rubles per year. This amount will allow you to buy powder and salt for six months (see above). Simple arithmetic.

[Mary_ufa]

Mary_ufa, it's still convenient for the dishwasher when there is a delayed start. Still, we do not eat at night, and the last time in the evening, really around 10 pm - some kind of kefir or milk for the night. And in the morning it's nice to get clean and warm dishes

Regarding the delayed start in washing machines - if there is a lot of washing - the day may not be enough. I switched it on at night, with the end of the cycle at 7 am - I hung it up before work, I came from work - I took it off - I stroked it. I did this when the children were small. During the day, no one was at home, and the linen did not dangle, interfering with walking ...

[Mary_ufa]

Mary_ufa, it's still convenient for the dishwasher when there is a delayed start. Still, we do not eat at night, and the last time in the evening, really around 10 pm - some kind of kefir or milk for the night. And in the morning it's nice to get clean and warm dishes

So you can start right away at 10 in the evening, drank kefir for the night - and started
Unless the dishes will not be warm in the morning ...

Regarding the delayed start in washing machines - if there is a lot of washing - the day may not be enough. I turned it on at night, with the end of the cycle at 7 am - I hung it up before work, I came from work - I took it off - I stroked it. I did this when the children were small. During the day, no one was at home, and the linen did not dangle, interfering with walking ...

About the washing machine, no questions, delayed start is a very necessary thing!

I have a delayed start in the PMM, but I never use it - I don't like taking out the dishes right after washing - it's very hot. Especially knives / forks / spoons, they are quite massive and quite hot right after washing. I always turn it on in the evening after before going to bed.

So you can start right away at 10 in the evening, drank kefir for the night - and started
Unless the dishes will not be warm in the morning ...

Everything is so, it depends only on desire. BUT with two tariffs! the counter is connected to the item "expediency".

I have a delayed start in the PMM, but I never use it - I don't like taking out the dishes right after washing - it's very hot. Especially knives / forks / spoons, they are quite massive and quite hot immediately after washing

So you can put off something for the right time, so as not to take out hot. Assuming that the standard cycle is approximately 1.5 hours.

Mary_ufa, I recently bought a very cheap built-in PMM of a "frivolous" brand 45 cm - ELENBERG, only 9 thousand. The result is very satisfied! the functions are the same as in expensive models: there is a delayed start, the partitions are folded. levels are adjustable, 8 sets of dishes. There are 7 programs, indicators for salt and rinse aid. The only negative - it works loudly, but washes perfectly! I use only the "fast" program so far, even if yesterday's dishes are super clean. To be honest, for that kind of money I expected a completely different result, but it exceeded all my expectations.So, if funds do not yet allow an expensive promoted brand, do not worry, often the price depends only on the brand, and the quality is not better than others.

So you can put off something for the right time, so as not to take out hot. Assuming that the standard cycle is approximately 1.5 hours.

Duc about that and speech, as I wrote above, there is a sense of this function when 2-tariff counters are. We have a regular one (however, a preferential tariff is about 1 rubles, since there is an electric stove).
If you start the machine in the evening after the last meal, then by morning it will wash up anyway, and the dishes will cool down.

Duc about that and speech, as I wrote above, there is a sense of this function when 2-tariff counters are. We have a regular one (however, a preferential tariff is about 1 rubles, since there is an electric stove).
If you start the machine in the evening after the last meal, then by morning it will wash up anyway, and the dishes will cool down.
I will agree with you.

in our city, in high-rise buildings, water is supplied in the morning from 6.00 to 10.00 and in the evening from 18.00 to 22.00, in short, whoever did not have time, he was late
Everyone tries to get home before 22.00
Therefore, the delayed start in the dishwasher is a very pleasant addition, because after 20.00 the machine should not be turned on anymore - it will still not have time to wash, if only for a short program.

Therefore, let the delayed start function be better, and we choose whether to use it or not.

I use the function. And I have two tariff meters and we sleep in the kitchen. I always put it so that the dishwasher works a couple of hours after I fall asleep. It's hard to fall asleep to this song, but if I fell asleep, nothing bothers me.

Lenusya is a nightmare, but what about sitting without water during the day.

nightmare is not the right word, and before the elections, every candidate first of all promises water around the clock. As elections go on, all promises are forgotten.
Therefore, a dishwasher is a doubly useful thing: you can not only wash, but also store dirty dishes that accumulate during the day, since there is still nothing to wash them with.

Of course, if a two-tariff meter or water is supplied at a certain time, then a delayed start is a necessary function.
I have neither the one nor the other, so the existing utility "delayed start" is idle
As a rule, we save up the dishes all day, in the evening I still cook something and in the end in the evening, before leaving the kitchen, I turn on my assistant and clean the tables, sinks, floors. And I'm leaving. In the morning I unload and everything is new.
By the way, the girls warned me that "they will start to get dirty with terrible force." : D Exactly! I had to buy a set of teaspoons and mugs - too lazy to wash. and everyone drinks tea several times a day. there seem to be enough plates.

Girls hello everyone! We talked about different pills and powders. And who used Aro from Metro? I bought two weeks ago. Mine, like nothing, no stains, no stains on the Teflon. And for the money, 60 tablets are profitable = 280 rubles.

Girls hello everyone! We talked about different pills and powders. And who used Aro from Metro? I bought two weeks ago. Mine, like nothing, no stains, no stains on the Teflon. And for the money, 60 tablets are profitable = 280 rubles.

I bought it for a long time, I didn't like it. The dishes were somehow not clean.

Tell me, pliz, is the door fixed on your machines in the open position? Ariston's door seems to be fixed, but Beko does not
I choose between BEKO DIN5830 and Ariston LFT321. What's better?

I remember someone asking what the protection under the countertop for the built-in dishwasher looks like. I bought it at IKEA. It is such a flexible thin strip, about 10 cm wide. On one side it is silvery, on the other side it is sticky. The most primitive replacement option is washable wallpaper, or something similar. My strip will certainly be tighter.

Recently I found out that some stores sell expired PMM products with a big discount, for example, Calgonit detergent 2.5 kg instead of 510 rubles. costs only 30 rubles.The temptation, of course, is great, but my question is - did the product deteriorate during the delay? suddenly, it's dangerous