lunova-moskalenko
Oh, girls! I have a slow fire in mine, but no milk porridge and jellied meat, no yogurt! It turns out that it has been improved. And after that, she began to get out problems, apparently. I have it for the third year already, my husband even specially disassembled it after buying it, said that for the Chinese for that kind of money (I took it in Photos for 600 hryvnias with a penny), it is 100% collected. He said that it was clear that they were not collecting on their knees! =))) I have now started to show off the current, and then I think it's my own fault. I turn on the colder process, right after the hottest (frying), so it requires cooling first. I have soup, baking, frying, slow fire, braising, steam and rice / porridge modes. Time from 5 minutes to 99 times of cooking! I am very pleased with it and have never regretted that I bought it. No, I'm lying, once I regretted it when I wanted to cook jellied meat, there was not enough time for cooking and therefore it was too lazy to restart the modes and I ended up cooking on gas. To be honest, when I bought it for my son, there was no VES on sale, and therefore I bought Perfezu in the hostel (I chose it by price and functions). The son offers to change everything, but I resist.
we're talking about this cartoon7
Multicooker Ves SK-A12
Elena Vikt.
About this one. On your advice cooked porridge "Druzhba" on stewing. Everything worked out. And still, I am haunted by why she is showing off on her program.
Yes, it seems to have been improved. The soups are light, not cloudy. (y) Question: where does the foam go? I read that it does not need to be removed.
I'll try to bake another biscuit. Are you preheating the saucepan for 10 minutes as instructed?
lunova-moskalenko
Quote: Elena Vikt.

About this one. On your advice cooked porridge "Druzhba" on stewing. Everything worked out. And still, I am haunted by why she is showing off on her program.
Yes, it seems to have been improved. The soups are light, not cloudy. (y) Question: where does the foam go? I read that it does not need to be removed.
I'll try to bake another biscuit. Are you preheating the saucepan for 10 minutes as instructed?
Congratulations! To be honest, I didn't ask where the foam goes. No, okay! And what kind of porridge Friendship is, share the recipe! I bake very often, I have never warmed up a cartoon for baking. I didn't even read the instructions for it. Somehow, that's all from the forum and from the forum. On the first day of the current I remember that I read something there and that's it. The baking turns out to be sperm, I can't do that in the oven (especially biscuits). That is why my son offers me to change. He does not have a baking function in Perfez, but as they suggest doing something there with the function of rice, he is afraid. And he loves baking, he says he would bake biscuits in the hostel.
By the% of the article, I slipped through the Internet, but I did not find the function of jellied meat, milk porridge and yogurt in the description! I wish I could see your panel with programs!
Elena Vikt.
But it's still not entirely pleasant that the porridge is not cooked in its own mode. There would be no such regime there, I would have decided to cook on stewing, but it’s a shame ... Maybe I’ll give it to diagnostics later. While I'm baking a biscuit. If it doesn't burn, I'll continue to cook in it.
Porridge "Friendship" is a mixture of rice and millet in equal proportions. I will post the photos later. By the way, your last photo is my slow cooker, only turned off. In old models, icons are lit, such as a plate of soup, and I have numbers 1, 2, 3, etc., and under them it is written: soup, stewing, steam ...
lunova-moskalenko
Quote: Elena Vikt.

But it's still not entirely pleasant that the porridge is not cooked in its own mode. There would be no such regime there, I would have decided to cook on stewing, but it’s a shame ... Maybe I’ll give it to diagnostics later. While I'm baking a biscuit. If it doesn't burn, I'll continue to cook in it.
Porridge "Friendship" is a mixture of rice and millet in equal proportions. I will post the photos later. By the way, your last photo is my slow cooker, only turned off. In old models, icons are lit, such as a plate of soup, and I have numbers 1, 2, 3, etc., and under them it is written: soup, stewing, steam ...

Stop! If you cooked non-dairy porridge on stewing, then it's strange! I cook all the cereals on the rice / porridge program, this is the first icon I have, the preset time is 40 minutes. On the same program, I make pilaf. But it is milk porridge that I make on stewing, on the same program I make carcasses. On the program, I cook soups on a slow fire.
Elena Vikt.
I forgot to write that the "Friendship" porridge is also milk-based
Lyalya Toy
Quote: Elena Vikt.

Lyalya Toy, how long did it take you to repair the multicooker? I also burn a little.
Elena Vic. somewhere around 1 month. I don't remember exactly now.
Elena Vikt.
Quote: Lala Toy

Elena Vic. somewhere around 1 month. I don't remember exactly now.

Does your friend now work?
Lyalya Toy
Yes, it works and she is very happy.
Elena Vikt.
I baked a biscuit. Everything would be fine, but it was burnt. I put it on 55 minutes, warmed up the bowl for about 7 minutes before that. The instructions say that the oven needs 65 minutes. How do you bake?
lunova-moskalenko
Quote: Elena Vikt.

I baked a biscuit. Everything would be fine, but it was burnt. I put it on 55 minutes, warmed up the bowl for about 7 minutes before that. The instructions say that the oven needs 65 minutes. How do you bake?
The baking time depends on the recipe itself. And I have never warmed up a cartoon before baking. Just last week, before going to my son, I baked a honey biscuit, everything worked out with a bang. I baked it for about an hour. Then she cut it and soaked it in cream. She baked this one. https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=114709.0
Elena Vikt.
Next time I will put it on for 40 minutes and will not preheat. In order to have a ruddy top, do you need to grease the saucepan again with oil?
lunova-moskalenko
Quote: Elena Vikt.

Next time I will put it on for 40 minutes and will not preheat. In order to have a ruddy top, do you need to grease the saucepan again with oil?

Do you mean grease when you turn baked goods? I rarely turn it over, because I often just decorate the top with something and I don't see the point in turning it over. But if I turn it over, then I don't smear the saucepan again. And the most important thing is that I do not turn off the heating, because on it the top has time to brown in 10 minutes!
Elena Vikt.
Baked for 40 minutes. The biscuit turned out to be about 8 centimeters high. It's embarrassing that it is uneven. On one side, it rose 5 centimeters. And of course it burnt, but the top was a little damp. It turned out to be slightly ugly. She cut off the bottom, and the rest was eaten with pleasure.
I think I'll take it to the service center at the end of next week. It was already written here that this may be a program failure.
lunova-moskalenko
Quote: Elena Vikt.

Baked for 40 minutes. The biscuit turned out to be about 8 centimeters high. It's embarrassing that it is uneven. On one side, it rose 5 centimeters. And of course it burnt, but the top was a little damp. It turned out to be slightly ugly. She cut off the bottom, and the rest was eaten with pleasure.
I think I'll take it to the service center at the end of next week. It was already written here that this may be a program failure.
And what does not even mean? Maybe the surface on which the cartoon is standing is uneven? Probably a visit to the service center, I have it completely baked.
Elena Vikt.
Let's get lucky. Service center in another city. I think I'll experiment: I turned on the "Milk Porridge" again, so now I barely washed it. Milk got inside.
Nataly Yu
Hello everybody! This is my cartoon Veska SK-14

Multicooker Ves SK-A12

So far I just made yogurt, on the yogurt program, it turned out well.
And I made a manna, so it burned, I realized by the smell that it was burning
Multicooker Ves SK-A12

It's a pity my husband left for a couple of weeks, you can't cook much, there is no one to eat
I have been eating yogurt for three days
lunova-moskalenko
Congratulations. When I bought my own, there was no function of yogurt, and there were no others. I have, rice / porridge, baked goods, frying, steam, slow fire, stewing, soup and choice. Heating 24 hours!
Nat_ka
Quote: kett

good evening, please tell me how to cook buckwheat milk porridge in ml VES SK-A14. I do not have a milk porridge regimen, thanks

a matter of taste, of course, but I cook the usual buckwheat porridge, and then add the milk to the plate. Do you love what it was?
egle
Hello!
I would like to know in which mode to leave the valve closed for the steam outlet (I have not cooked anything in the cartoon yet, but there is not a word about this in the instructions).
nila
Quote: kett li: girl_claping: [quote author = kett

good evening, please tell me how to cook buckwheat milk porridge in ml VES SK-A14. I do not have a milk porridge regimen, thanks
I have instead of the MILK Porridge (SLOW FIRE) mode the CEREAL mode. Here I cook on it.
Quote: egle

Hello!
I would like to know in which mode to leave the valve closed for the steam outlet (I have not cooked anything in the cartoon yet, but there is not a word about this in the instructions).
The valve must always be closed. Well, maybe in very exceptional cases: secret: you can reveal ...... jam for example
lunova-moskalenko
My valve is always closed, even when making zucchini caviar. Everything turns out fine, well, except for milk, and I don't bother with it - we eat little of it.
nila
Nadia, it's safer here. I don't want to run into trouble. The CB VES catalog has appeared recently. It looks like our MV, only the lid is more massive and with a flap. But I didn’t even look at how many liters, because I’m already afraid to take something from ves, Now I’m looking for a marrinator, but they offer VESKI. And I'm afraid I had a lot of problems in the winter.
Nat_ka
Quote: nila

... Now I'm looking for a marinator, but they offer VESKI. And I'm afraid I had a lot of problems in the winter.

They have normal marinators. Do not be afraid - take it.
bird
actually yes - max. 99min., But I only got stuck on 95min. (95 glows prettier than 99)
nila
Quote: Nat_ka

They have normal marinators. Do not be afraid - take it.
I'm afraid! Firstly, I read a lot on other forums of everyone: -X and that their pumps are bad, and that they do not spin, and that it is necessary to check.
And secondly, we have problems with voltage in winter. HP Kenwood, washer, and everything else works :) but VES does not pull cartoon. It works only at night and early in the morning, and as soon as the light is turned on everywhere and the cartoon has cooled down. And so all winter, now there are no problems. I bought DEX60 and I don't know how it will behave in winter.
And due to voltage problems, the board probably flew and had to be handed over to the SC.
Mozayka
Hello everyone!
In the spring I bought a VES-14, not the one with the jellied mode.
I am very pleased, Panasonic took it to the dacha, like a weak technique, which if they resist, then they need it.
I was happy, happy.
Nothing has ever burnt or boiled away.
Fried so that at least put it up for a competition.
I left her at home as the main one.
But today I was faced with the fact that there is no long extinguishing in it, but only 99 minutes.
I set to make baked milk, which is made in Panasonic on the stewing mode for 6 hours.
How to be now?
And how to cook jellied meat in it, which is also usually turned on for 6-8 hours at night?
Something, apparently, I will have to return Panasonic from the link, to NG without jellied meat in any way.
lunova-moskalenko
Quote: Mozayka

Hello everyone!
In the spring I bought a VES-14, not the one with the jellied mode.
I am very pleased, Panasonic took it to the dacha, as a weak technique, which if they resist, then they need it.
I was happy, happy.
Nothing has ever burnt or boiled away.
Fried so that at least put it up for a competition.
I left her at home as the main one.
But today I was faced with the fact that there is no long extinguishing in it, but only 99 minutes.
I set to make baked milk, which is made in Panasonic on the stewing mode for 6 hours.
How to be now?
And how to cook jellied meat in it, which is also usually turned on for 6-8 hours at night?
Something, apparently, I will have to return Panasonic from the link, to NG without jellied meat in any way.
Only if you manually add each cycle yourself.
Mozayka
Quote: nvk

Only if you manually add each cycle yourself.
Girls, and who has the jellied mode, there is an opportunity to put on 6 hours at once?
I just wanted to buy a second one in the house, now I'm thinking.
nila
Quote: Mozayka

Hello everyone!
In the spring I bought a VES-14, not the one with the jellied mode.
I am very pleased, Panasonic took it to the dacha, as a weak technique, which if they resist, then they need it.

And how to cook jellied meat in it, which is also usually turned on for 6-8 hours at night?
Something, apparently, I will have to return Panasonic from the link, to NG without jellied meat in any way.
I would not act so rashly with MV Panasonic. I don't have it, but this MV is one of the first, already proven by time and hostesses, well-regulated. Although she is more expensive than Veska, Veska did not stand next to her.
I have Weight14 for 6L, there is no COLD mode in it, I bought it earlier than this mode appeared. but to cook jellied meat it is necessary to rearrange the time and this is so on all Veski, in all modes only 99 minutes. when I didn't have Dex, I was also pleased with her, but only that I have a cartoon. although I saw the problem then))) yes, it is powerful (but when the voltage drops, it turns off), there are many modes (but they are not adjusted, the jellied meat boils away in my weakest mode), etc.
She, of course, has good sides. For me personally, this is a large volume, well, even BAKERY in the warm season. a biscuit or a muffin (baking is not bad) I can now risk putting it only in the morning. and as soon as it starts to get dark and turn on the light, all p ... ts, it is cold.
but this is just my opinion, in no way do I impose it on anyone. but if a year ago I was so smart, I would have taken a better Orion, or some other MV
lunova-moskalenko
Quote: nila

I would not act so rashly with MV Panasonic. I don't have it, but this MV is one of the first, already proven by time and hostesses, well-regulated. Although she is more expensive than Veska, Veska did not stand next to her.
I have Weight14 for 6L, there is no COLD mode in it, I bought it earlier than this mode appeared. but to cook jellied meat it is necessary to rearrange the time and this is so on all Veski, in all modes only 99 minutes. when I didn't have Dex, I was also pleased with her, but only that I have a cartoon. although I saw the problem then))) yes, it is powerful (but when the voltage drops, it turns off), there are many modes (but they are not adjusted, the jellied meat boils away in my weakest mode), etc.
She, of course, has good sides. For me personally, this is a large volume, well, even BAKERY in the warm season. a biscuit or a muffin (baking is not bad) I can now risk putting it only in the morning. and as soon as it starts to get dark and turn on the light, all p ... ts, it is cold.
but this is just my opinion, in no way do I impose it on anyone. but if a year ago I was so smart, I would have taken a better Orion, or some other MV
Well I do not know. I don't cook jelly in cartoons, it's not enough for me. If I cook it, then on gas in a 10 liter saucepan. As for baking, it's just a thrill, stewing and frying, pilaf is also superb programs. It bakes 100% during the cold season and during the hot season. The only thing that after my experiment with cooking jam, when through my stupidity, raspberries crawled into all the holes, slots and valves, now the cartoon began to play a little. After a hot mode, it often switches to a cold one by shutting down for 3-4 minutes and then turning it on again. Yes, and the cancel button jams, probably somewhere else there is jam stuck, and my husband's hands do not reach to disassemble and clean. But I love my weight. Even when my son offered to exchange for Perfez 56, I did not agree. It is like my first love ... it cannot be exhausted in my heart!
And although I also have a pressure cooker, I still cook more in Vesochka. I will not trade it for Orion, even more so. If anything happens, I'll take Vesochka again.
Mozayka
Nelya, you don't have Panasonic, but I do.
When they gave it to me, I could not understand why I needed this useless pot ...
I will do everything faster and better in a skillet and in a saucepan.
I only cooked food for the dog in it, because I didn't have the patience to cook the soup for 40 minutes. A couple of times I baked a cottage cheese casserole in it, so you need to turn it over, otherwise such a pale one does not cause appetite.
In general, worship, Panasonic, is nothing more than a herd feeling for a promoted company.
When I bought Vesochka, I realized that the multicooker is not a useless pot, but a real assistant.
So I do not mind at all to float her to the dacha.
As a second, I look closely at Redmond, she has the opportunity to exhibit a great time.
Mozayka
Nvk, I cook jellied meat in batches and roll it up in jars, so I don't need to cook a lot at once.
Before the holiday, I take out a jar, boil the contents, add garlic and decorations, and pour it into trays, thus saving energy.)))
lunova-moskalenko
Quote: Mozayka

Nvk, I cook jellied meat in batches and roll it up in jars, so I don't need to cook a lot at once.
Before the holiday, I take out a jar, boil the contents, add garlic and decorations, and pour it into trays, thus saving energy.)))
No, I can't do that. And I do not spend much energy on cooking it. And after all, you need to store the jars somewhere, and at the time of New Year's preparations, there is always not enough space in the refrigerator, and then there is jellied meat in the jars. And so I will weld it for example 29, 30 I will pour on disposable trays and that's it, the holiday can be celebrated ...
Mozayka
I also do not spend much on cooking jellied meat separately, but when jellied meat, salads, snacks, pastries, and everything that is needed for the holiday, I no longer have the strength to celebrate, so I came up with such an option for myself. I have two refrigerators and two more loggias, so there are no problems with the place.
I also cook stew, it turns out awesome, and if you suddenly need to cook something quickly, but just burst from the dacha, for example, it helps a lot, and sometimes the soup is quick, it's also great.
If anyone is interested, then the stew is cooked in the same way as the jellied meat, only one meat is rolled into the jar, all the liquid remains for the jellied meat.
I usually combine boiling jellied meat and stewed meat and do not use additional gelatin.
nila
Quote: Mozayka

Nvk, I cook jellied meat in batches and roll it up in jars, so I don't need to cook a lot at once.
Before the holiday, I take out a jar, boil the contents, add garlic and decorations, and pour it into trays, thus saving energy.)))
the first time I've heard!!! but, if you think about it, it may well be.
Nadia, I also cook jelly immediately, but more. but sometimes you want something quick, for dinner. here Veska let me down more than once. it does not boil, it boils over. I like the BAKERY, but ... I already wrote.
Maybe you have no problems with tension, but in our village in winter it is dark. microwaves do not warm up in the evening, people do not pull new boilers.
No, I certainly love my Vesochka, but with a special, maternal love (like a first-born). but I prefer to cook in DEX60. and I cook borscht like that))) dex cooks bouillon, and at this time the weight stews vegetables. when vegetables with tomato are stewed, add potatoes and cabbage, pour boiling broth and simmer until tender.
Mozayka
We have no problems with electricity, neither in the country nor at home.
And if there were, I think the vaunted Panasonic would not help.
You probably need to install the drive, otherwise with jumps all the equipment can be lost.
nila
I'm not a fan of MV Panasonic. I think there are very few functions for this price. but he's a smart MV, unlike Veska. and here it is not only a problem with tension. Well, I can't leave her alone for a long time, unattended. and the lid came loose after 3 months of use, the board was on fire ...
here is REDMONT good MV, I really wanted him. but unfortunately we do not sell it.
Mozayka
Redmond is sold via mail, no problem)))
Forget about Panas if you are not subject to the herd reflex!
We are all led by companies, if cartoon, then Panas, if something big, then BOSCH !!!
I've been calculating companies that are not popular, but I'm looking at the manufacturer.
So, while everyone was overpaying for the Chinese BOSCH, I monitored the Internet, and I found the German company of Hans, at that time, it was unknown, but the Germans did it !.
As a result, while everyone is fixing their Chinese BOSCH, for big money, I enjoy the real German quality of Hans bought for a penny!

But Hansa is no longer a native either! (((
lunova-moskalenko
Quote: nila

I'm not a fan of MV Panasonic.I think there are very few functions for this price. but he's a smart MV, unlike Veska. and here it is not only a problem with tension. Well, I can't leave her alone for a long time, unattended. and the lid came loose after 3 months of use, the board was on fire ...
here is REDMONT good MV, I really wanted him. but unfortunately we do not sell it.
Yes, you definitely need a drive. Power surges do not lead to good. I think that is why the board was flying. I calmly leave my weight unattended. I don't cook soups in it, but I calmly cook stewing, pastries, cereals (not dairy) without supervision. Mine has been here since the end of 2009 and there were no problems with the repair. and she herself t-t-t looks pretty decent. For milk, my pressure cooker is working now. I bought Scarlett for my brother, but he still doesn't come to pick her up, so I also cook milk and porridge in her.
nila
Quote: Mozayka

Redmond is sold via mail, no problem)))
Forget about Panas if you are not subject to the herd reflex!



As a result, while everyone is fixing their Chinese BOSCH, for big money, I enjoy the real German quality of Hans bought for a penny!

Mozayka, I wanted Redmont70 (despite its price) until I found out about our Dex60 and immediately ordered it. I bought Veska exactly a year ago. the daughter got sick and there was a question about purchasing a double boiler. quickly looking through the Internet and going shopping, I found out magical word
multicooker. I think that's what we need, we must take! at that time we sold Panasonic (the price did not suit) and Dex and Weight, unfamiliar to me. the choice fell on BEC14))) capacity 1000.6 liters bowl and manufacturer (Italy at a Chinese plant). brought home and immediately a surprise))) vegetables were not cooked on steam. I didn't really get hung up on this, continued: girl_love: and cherish her, arranged dances with a tambourine around her, tried to cook in the morning or at night. with the advent of Dex60 in my kitchen, this need disappeared completely. Dex, HP, washer can work at the same time, I generally keep quiet about TVs (they work around the clock). and even a pancake maker now. the only trouble is to reheat food in micro, turn off the water heater. because I have something to compare with, and therefore on Veska.
And Hansa, German, is familiar to me. 6 years old (I don't remember exactly) I bought a gas (stainless steel). sorry, now idle basically. turn on when the light is turned off. my Veska stands on it.
Quote: nvk

Yes, you definitely need a drive. Power surges do not lead to good. I think that is why the board was flying. I calmly leave my weight unattended. I don't cook soups in it, but I calmly cook stewing, pastries, cereals (not dairy) without supervision. Mine has been here since the end of 2009 and there were no problems with the repair. and she herself t-t-t looks pretty decent.
You will, the husband is doing this. grit, technicians to the fig, you need to take a powerful stabilizer. he does not want Chinese, our current, but ours are: wow: from 4-5 thousand. current pennies will accumulate))) so there is I, which always needs something, and let's go to the current hospital for treatment. Our equipment is mainly with protection against drops. my washing machine Indesit (still real) since 1999 the current has recently changed the relay.
And the board in Veska flew in the summer, when I mercilessly exploited it for preservation and cooking (Dex had not yet had time to buy it). I often switched modes, added time, and then I didn't keep track of the jam ... I filled it in. of course, but the master immediately said that there was jam in the middle. then, from the steam, plastic probably rose near the latch. so he put it on a screw for me, so as not to glue, changed the board.
And I use it now to cook ham in ham. she fits well in Vesku and cook borscht with Deksik. I can put baked goods.
yulyax
Can you do yogurt if there is no yogurt program?
Now I choose MV, but for me it is important that there was a large volume of the saucepan, and milk porridge and yogurt were prepared.
nila
Yulia, you can also milk, you can cook yoghurt in VESK. Only under supervision. Its power is 1000W, including spar God forbid, and sometimes not so much. until I had Dex60 I cooked on it.I do not know the regimes in the current Veski, I have others. if there is a mode of MILK Porridge, it means on it, if not, then KRUPA (I have) or MANUAL. but it is advisable to keep an eye on. can run away, some burns ...: girl_sad: I poured yogurt into jars and on HEAT. but even here it is necessary to monitor, and turn off and on in time))) t * yoghurt starter cultures 36 * -38 *, and if you constantly keep on the ON HEATER, t * will be more (it is desirable to have a thermometer).
In general, small dancing with a tambourine You can cook everything!
Mozayka
Quote: nila

I poured yoghurt into jars and on the HEAT.
We put the heating on for an hour, turn it off and leave it to cool in the cartoon.
yulyax
Nelya, thanks for the answer! I'll keep it on mind. Bo for dancing with a tambourine there is no time: girl_sad: I will look with functions such as yogurt and milk porridge, if I'm not lucky, I will buy another brand ... These 2 functions are important for me, and the displacement of 6 liters is not unimportant
nila
Julia, you did not quite understand me correctly. If you search with the functions YOGHURT and MILK Porridge, then this is the DEX60 multicooker. and in VES14-program YOGURT
is in the cartoons that were released later than I bought it (I have this program CHOICE) and with the program DAIRY Porridge I can't understand. bought at the same time MV-some say MILK Porridge, others say KRUPY. it can be seen one and the same program.
euge
Owners and owners of VES 12! Please measure the outer diameter and height of the pan: I am looking for a pan with a charcoal coating for Brand 37502. Less than a year of operation, food begins to bake to the ceramic coating, but I have had a charcoal coating for 3 years, and no complaints.
lunova-moskalenko
Quote: eugeша

Owners and owners of VES 12! Please measure the outer diameter and height of the pan: I am looking for a pan with a charcoal coating for Brand 37502. Less than a year of operation, food begins to bake to the ceramic coating, but I have had a charcoal coating for 3 years, and no complaints.
I have a 14 model. Measuring a saucepan for Dex, Scarlet and Perfeza. Diameter fits, but height doesn't. The lid does not close. Information may be useful to you.
euge
The 14th model is 6 liters, but I need 5 liters, and this is the 12th. I found in the internet that bowl 12 = oh will suit me too. Now, just where to find it: I haven't seen it in the retail network. Found a replacement, but they are Teflon coated.
lunova-moskalenko
Quote: eugeша

The 14th model is 6 liters, but I need 5 liters, and this is the 12th. I found in the internet that bowl 12 = oh will suit me too. Now, just where to find it: I haven't seen it in the retail network. Found a replacement, but they are Teflon coated.
Yes, it's a problem. Have you tried to order in the service?

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