Mirabel
Lerele, oooo a similar situation!
only the rolling dough has not yet been ordered, but you will probably have to buy these units together.
Lerele
Quote: olga0101


I, too, originally wanted "naked")) but now I think maybe if you take it, take it like that))) heated)) what if you need it))
....
and I think that with the purchase of a kneader I will probably give up buying a bread machine. until the bread can be baked in the oven))
True, the bread maker saves time, since it does everything itself. okay, wait and see)))

Who's there thoughts converge then ??? She also began to think, what if heating is needed? But you don't need a blender with a meat grinder. Calmly already wanted "naked", and then bam - read the reviews in the topic of clathronic, well, away we go, rummaged again yesterday.

Breadmaker still needs
Lerele
Tatoshenka, is it heavy? In the sense it is necessary to put it stationary?
One of these days I will go shopping, I will feel the kneaders with my hands. But the stores may not be clathronic.
Olga VB
Quote: Lerele
But there may be no clathronic in stores
He and Boman are twin brothers, they are made at the same plant, only the logos are different and one is more focused on the Russian market, and the second is on the German market, so it is better to take 🔗.
For example, a heated Boman combine BOMANN KM 379 CB
In addition, while Boman is not very popular with us, it can sometimes be cheaper than Clathronic
Tatoshenka
Quote: Aygul

Yes, Natasha, in comparison with a multicooker-pressure cooker if possible
Girls go to the topic "dough mixers clathronic" there is a photo, Anastasia has put up a lot and comparative. There is also a video.
It is not so heavy as the legs on the suction cups hold well.
Lerele
I saw the photo, the size seems to be nothing, the weight is important to me, since it will not stand stationary, I will have to wear it.
I did not find the difference between a boman and a clathronic, at least externally, and in the description everything is the same.
Tatoshenka
Olga VBForgive me, in no case consider my answer to be true, but my Boman steam cleaner broke down very quickly and the Boman sandwich maker had to be handed over, it did not give out the required temperature, unfortunately, marriage happens in any technique. And the consultant, on the contrary, told me that Klatronic is for Europe, and Boman is for Russia
Yes, I have a clathrosh ice cream maker, and my friends and everyone is happy. So I risked taking it.
I'll be at home, I'll go weigh it, the total weight is declared 11 with something.
Lerele
E-trees, 11 is a lot, one of these days I will go shopping for weight to check the equipment
Mirabel
11 kg ?? !!! Oooh ... that's a lot kaaak.
There is no place for such a thing, it was planned to put it on a shelf in the pantry ...
Lerele, And we do not have this in the shops.
If you see Boshik Mum, try it by weight too. Okay?
On the other hand, I drag the Air Fryer from shelf to shelf until my hands fall off.
Lerele
Mirabel, I'll try Bosch, they definitely are, but the rest, I don't know.
We have in those where there are meat departments, where meat by weight, in all. And the meat is cut into slices, and the bones into pieces.
I also have a kneader in the closet, so the weight is important, it’s a pity for my back.

As for Boman and Klatronic, the technique is so-so, very average, there is a lot of marriage, but now there is a lot of marriage everywhere, and Bosch and Siemens are breaking. I had an AEG steam iron immediately with a marriage, so it is important to buy in good shops, albeit a little more expensive.
So here's how you guess and get lucky. I have had an aldi bread maker for more than 13 years, it works well, although the last time something metal inside the basket broke off.
Mirabel
Lerele,
Quote: Lerele
I have had an aldi bread maker for more than 13 years, it works well, although the last time something metal inside the basket broke off.
And I had 2 Aldievsky, another inexpensive (this is for 5 years), now three years old Kenwood. The cheap ones broke, the bucket began to leak.
Mirabel
I read in the thread about Clathronic that its weight is only 6 kg, and with heating. The wrong thing is the one that is simpler and even easier.
Personally, I do not need heating, I will definitely not cook jam and sauces there.
We think further, but so far I like the simplest Clathronic.
Lerele
Me too
Lerele
Although, here's a custard cream in it you can do
Tatoshenka
I couldn't weigh it, kitchen. scales up to 5 kg, and floor scales did not show weight. But offhand 6-7kg, no more than AF. The blender is heavy in it, it is made of thick glass. 11 this is the total weight, you can see it together with the packaging. On the notification that came from the mail, the weight was indicated as 12 kg.
If anyone is interested, then 2kg of beef with veins and films was ground for 5 minutes at 5 speed, nothing got stuck.
The recipe book tells you how to make mashed potatoes, risotto, custard, béchamel, burgundy beef.
Lerele
Tatoshenka, thank you for the excitement and good luck !!!
Silly question, is it possible to remove the blender in it and not put it on?
Here there is no perfection in life, they would sell the basis, that is, the dough mixer is naked, and everything else could be bought in addition if necessary. So no, only included.
And if you buy, you will have to shove some extra part, and they will roll around: spiteful: And overpay extra money
I will think more.
Tatoshenka
Yes, of course you can. It's in my closet. And so I would also like to, as in Kenwood, with the ability to buy.
Lerele
There are no * naked * models in Kenwoods either, unfortunately.
But even if there were, then the point is to take them only who uses every day, and so give that kind of money for use once a week ..
Especially those who do not bake bread at home, but sometimes indulge in it.
Tatoshenka
Lerele, You just read my thoughts.
Peter Push
Quote: Lerele
is it heavy? In the sense it is necessary to put it stationary?
The weight according to the passport is 5.65 kg, this is a clathronic km 3323, it is better to work on the tabletop, the noise is much less than on the dining table. I have it permanently, I work every other day.
Tatoshenka
Peter Push, and I did not think to look in those. passport. now I looked - 6.25kg
Mirabel
We put the test on the weight! Great weight! We can pull it, if that ...
Mirabel
Those looking for kneaders are large and budgetary, but of high quality! What do you think about this
🔗
Aygul
Mirabel, not weak? Power only 700
Olga VB
Overall - how is it?
This bowl is 3.5 liters, - too small, IMHO
I have 6.7 liters does not seem too big.
And the power of 700W may not be enough for a tight dough. And maybe that's enough.
And the plastic is kind of weird.
However, it is necessary to ask those who used it.
Lika_n
but how do you like that, the price will probably be like a Boeing :))
Kneading machines

🔗
but impressed
Specifications:

Color: pastel blue
Body material: die-cast aluminum
Gear material: hardened steel
Bowl material: polished stainless steel
Bowl volume: 4.8 l
Rotation lock when the mixing head is raised
Rotational speed control (10 steps with smooth start)
Low exit speed
Front attachment
Planetary action
Non-slip feet
External dimensions (HxWxD): 378 with the head down (490 with the head up) x 402 x 221 mm
Mirabel
AygulYou think a weakling? Well, the French write that they are coping with the pasta dough.
Olga.. You know, something Moulinex team inspires confidence in me. The reviews are very good. But local people write this. Well, I can't imagine that the Belgian Madame makes the dough herself, although they sell them to someone .. that means someone doesn t. And the Volume of the bowl suits me perfectly.
And the overall means small. Kenwood is huge. like an elephant! Handsome, of course, but I have nowhere to put it, and it's hard to pull from the pantry.
Angelica, Stylish!
Lerele
Mirabel, and on our Amazon, the reviews are ambiguous. The aunt writes that he was kneading the dough for bread with effort, and that something there peeled off her. Basically, the score is three, the clathronics have better reviews. And more reviews. Negative only if someone broke something. And those who did not break, everyone is happy.
Mirabel
Lerele, And the belge babble is wonderful. beautiful and cheap!
Your Frau bakes, but our mivrau are hard to trust.
So cross it out!
We stay with Klatronic!
Aygul
Mirabel,
Vika, are you considering 3476? or 3323?
Mirabel
Aygul, 3323 "naked", no blender or meat grinder needed. Heating is also not needed, for mashed potatoes, creams, sauces I want to buy a Russell Hobs soup cooker.
Mirabel
Masinen, Masha, in my opinion you wrote that you have a Bosch Mum dough mixer.
What can you say about him? Doesn't it disappoint during operation? And most importantly, does it cope with the pasta dough?
Lerele
Returned from a shopping run with appliances. What can I say, I felt everything. There are all sorts of Kenwoods, mostly Boshi, found in Konrad Klatronic, which has 1200 watts of power. The Bosches are getting lighter, the Clathronic is so heavy, the Kenwoods are also not light.
I will think again, I have guests since that week, not yet for the kneaders
Scarecrow
People, but how cool to beat minced meat with a dough mixer (I have Kitchen, I use a nozzle for liquid dough) on cutlets, dumplings, manti, ham ... Minced meat is a feast for the eyes. First I twist it into the Kitchen bowl with a meat grinder (the meat grinder is also kitsch. Nozzle), and then I add everything I need (egg, oatmeal, onion, etc., depending on what I'm cooking), put the dough attachment and knead. Thing!
Olga VB
Quote: Scarecrow
People, but how cool to knock out minced meat with a dough mixer
I remember my enthusiasm about this!
Then I also thought, why did I delay buying my beloved Keshik for so long
Tanyusha
ScarecrowNatusik, you are so pleased with your Kitchen that I also began to look at it. Probably all the same I will buy it. My husband also liked their kettle.
Scarecrow
Quote: Olga VB

I remember my enthusiasm about this!
Then I also thought, why did I delay buying my beloved Keshik for so long

Well, I decided to "poison" existence by choosing a kneader. To choose faster))). My kitchen is already 5 years old. That I just don't do it with him. How I lived before without an entoy unit.

I sit trying, and he whips me a biscuit, by the way))).
Scarecrow
Quote: Tanyusha

ScarecrowNatusik, you are so pleased with your Kitchen that I also began to look at it. Probably all the same I will buy it. My husband also liked their kettle.

Only I practically do not knead dough for them !!! That's exactly how he kneads a pretty cool dough - I don't like it !!! Although he is not a dough mixer, as such, actually. He has a very broad specialization. He is a planetary mixer / harvester.

And I also have a kettle. Red. And even a manual mixer))).
Mirabel
LereleThat is why I am looking at Bosch and Mulinex, so that it is compact and not hard.
Tanyusha
I also thought about the manual account, only for the daughter-in-law, their kitchen is small, and it will be necessary to cook a tasty treat for the granddaughter.
Mirabel
Tanyusha, I have a simple Belgian company handmade, I love it very much. Whips everything perfectly! The bread maker seems to be kneading the dough. I didn't look in the direction of the kneaders because of their size, but now I want soooo!
Lerele
And I had not yet ordered a rolling machine for the dough, I also looked calmly at them.
And I want now. But I'm not ready to pay at least 300 euros for what I will use occasionally.
Today I was surfing the Internet again, saw enough of kits with unnecessary attachments, spat, settled on clathronics & bomann. Now I’ll just decide whether to take it with heating, or naked. I need to cool down, then I'll buy it. Moreover, guests, a couple of trips are planned for the next week.
Klatronic felt, twirled, solid, powerful, what else is needed?
Olga VB
Lerele, well, take it. Moreover, the reviews about him are not bad.
Until you start poyuzat yourself, you still don’t understand whether yours is yours or not.
I, too, rushed about, and then took exactly what I was going to from the very beginning. And I'm happy.
Mirabel
I decided exactly, well, almost ... Clathronic! so everyone praises him, only noisy ... well, okay ... let him make noise!
Tanyusha
Mirabel, you have no idea what is noisy. My Gastrorag works like a tractor, because of this, I abandoned it completely, so if possible, then buy a quieter unit.
Mirabel
Tanyusha, I represent! Kenwood foot screams like that too!
Well, which one is quiet? Kitchen Aid's girlfriend's howling is also not sickly, Canwood is
Moulinex was rejected for me, Bosch Mum is also not one of the powerful.
I like in Klatroshka the size, power, and price!
But, this is not an ambulance Wishlist, there is more important, so I can reconsider my views, although I love order in everything. (Outlined-bought)
Sweetlana78
Tanyusha,
Have you been using your gastrorag for a long time? He withstood me for a year, rarely used it, once a week she kneaded the dough for bread, and then some kind of chemical lubricant flowed from the compound, just above where the nozzle was attached, and when kneading the dough, this chemical lubricant flows into the bowl with the dough (I'm worried , after all, you can get poisoned. I don’t know where to do it? And where to go? I ordered it through the Internet ... Maybe someone will advise what to do? Please help)
Painting
Vika, Bosch mum86r power 1600W, does not make much noise, compared to Kenwood Cooking Chef 1500W is generally silent. The price is several orders of magnitude lower. I have been in my permanent job for 2 years. Bowl 5L.
Mirabel
Volume, Thank you! I will consider!
I looked at a quick, so he is with a blender ... I need a "naked"
Tanyusha
Sweetlana78, I have it for a long time, but I do not use it because of the noise, and so nothing is flowing. I bought it for mixing Italian bread.

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