Refrigerator selection

And one more thing for "crying" refrigerators: do not support the back wall with anything, neither food, nor packages, and the problem "everything freezes" you will never meet

a question to the owners of no-frosts: in refrigerators with such a system there are restrictions, where and what to put?
thanks in advance

a question to the owners of no-frosts: in refrigerators with such a system there are restrictions, where and what to put?

As with any other, it is necessary to provide the possibility of air movement from the back to cool the heat exchanger.

I usually defrost drip refrigerators 2 times a year (there was such a thing that I did it with one of the refrigerators only once a year).

a question to the owners of no-frosts: in refrigerators with such a system there are restrictions, where and what to put?
thanks in advance

I have never been interested in this issue. I will store it as it is convenient for me.
I do not defrost or turn off, even once a year. I take out the drawers from the freezer, wash them, wipe them dry and immediately put them back.
The back wall (outer) is all closed. Maybe it should be wiped off, but there is no desire to move the refrigerator, even if it is empty, weighing almost on me.
Returning to the problem of airing, once again I am convinced that this is not a problem of the refrigerator. Cheese and sausage will wind up on the table in a couple of hours.

a question to the owners of no-frosts: in refrigerators with such a system there are restrictions, where and what to put?
thanks in advance

You will find out empirically.) I once translated a bucket of cucumbers - I put the bag almost at the very hole for blowing. Well, this business is frozen. Samadur is called. And so yes, noufrost for ease of use will give a hundred points ahead of crying. Food is always in bags and containers anyway, so it doesn't matter if there is wind, there is no wind ... But it cools instantly.
But ... you have to pay for everything. And here the choice is individual.

And so yes, noufrost for ease of use will give a hundred points ahead of crying.

Lena, I have both refrigerators and can compare. I would never say that.

I would never say that.

And what is the inconvenience of using know-frost?

Peace be with you bakers!
If you don't be zealous with the duration of the open freezer: yes: as in other things, and the refrigerating chamber \ although the buzzer will torture me to yell \ then in our crying we do defrost 2 times a year in autumn and spring, well, when it is cool on the balcony, there is enough

And what is the inconvenience of using know-frost?

Lena, I'm not talking about the inconvenience, I'm talking about the unconditional praise of the noufrost ("the noufrost will give a hundred points ahead of crying for ease of use"). I don't see these 100 points, I only see convenience in the freezer without frost and that's it. Otherwise, these refrigerators are the same for me.

[Sonadora]

Sonadora, Manechka, I will not argue, for me this moment is obvious, although maybe this is a feature of this particular Samsung refrigerator.

in our crying we do defrosting 2 times a year in autumn and in spring, well, when it's cool on the balcony, it's enough

I defrost and wash all freezers and a refrigerator once a year, May-June, before laying the first strawberries, everything happens very quickly, especially in hot weather, for many years everything is fine.

I don't see these 100 points, I only see convenience in the freezer without frost and that's it.

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In general, you should like the refrigerator ...

I don't see these 100 points, I only see convenience in the freezer without frost and that's it.Otherwise, for me, these refrigerators are the same.

No.
1. Noufrost cools much faster, because convection and "cold transfer" are forced, and not natural. As much as we are cooler in the heat under the fan, the same is the difference in heat dissipation. If in no-frost I always put a large pot of borscht warm in the summer and am not afraid of the safety of other products, then this trick will not work in crying. The saucepan will cool down, of course. But it is not so soon that the rest of the food is at risk of spoiling in the heated chamber.

2. In a refrigerator with no-frost there is no temperature difference along the height of the chamber. Whereas in a cry under the ceiling it is always at least 5 degrees warmer than below. And in the heat and at all 10 maybe. And if the cry is low-power, then even in the doors in summer it can be warmer than we would like.

3. Defrosting. It seems to be a trifle, but still you can not think about it and not get ready "next week - I will certainly unfreeze!"

By the way, I'm nowhere praised talked about the unconditional priority of the refrigerator with no-frost. I was talking exclusively about usability. Although the rest of the shortcomings just led to the fact that we started up ordinary refrigerators. I adore them dearly, but this does not mean that I am not aware of their shortcomings.))

[Bijou]

Bijou, Helen, and there is no question of praising something. After all, we share our feelings about life with refrigerators. We are all different, but after all, you need to decide on the purchase - so a person will quickly understand what is more suitable for him, so this is all useful information

Whereas in a cry under the ceiling it is always at least 5 degrees warmer than below.

It's colder upstairs, warmer downstairs. It is not for nothing that they make boxes for vegetables downstairs. Well, the difference is only 2 degrees, now I measured it.
So not everything is so simple.

Well, I wouldn't risk putting a warm pot of borscht in any refrigerator. Other products from it, well, will not have time to deteriorate, but the load on the refrigerator will be unnecessary.

Everything is the same for me, but nothing adjoins to the back wall or to the technological openings and air circulation is maintained.

If you need to cool something urgently, then first in a basin under cold running water and only then in a refrigerator, since rapid cooling occurs, including due to some increase in the temperature of other products lying in the same chamber + portion settling steam from a hot product that is absolutely superfluous in the refrigerator.

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It's colder upstairs, warmer downstairs. It is not for nothing that they make boxes for vegetables below. Well, the difference is only 2 degrees, now I measured it.
So not everything is so simple.

It can be so ambiguous only in one case - if it is a crying refrigerator with a freezer on top. Then yes, from the freezer the cold will fall from above and it may be colder above. In all other cases, warm always seeks to rise to the ceiling, and the cold - to go down. Well, or the manufacturer shoves in the same forced circulation, like a fan in Liebcher to remove such an effect.

It is not for nothing that they make boxes for vegetables downstairs.

I use such a "box for vegetables" as a zero chamber.)) Especially if the freezer in the refrigerator has not defrosted for a long time. Then there the ice at the bottom will self-form. )))

Well, the difference is only 2 degrees, now I measured it.

With what? Maybe I need something else too? Otherwise, I usually poke food with a pyrometer and a culinary thermometer. It's cold now, there won't be a big drop either.

I don't see these 100 points, I only see convenience in the freezer without frost and that's it. Otherwise, for me, these refrigerators are the same.

The pad reduces the useful volume, since it cannot be right next to the walls, water will flow onto the food and the shelves.

Peace be with you bakers!

Is the resident serious?

The pad reduces the useful volume, since it cannot be right next to the walls, water will flow onto the food and the shelves.

And in a noufrost, it is usually already smaller with equal external dimensions.For you need to shove the air ducts and the evaporator somewhere?))

The evaporator is at the bottom, above the compressor, no?

I am pleased with the noufrost, if I was offered a choice, I bought it again, but I would not take Side-by-Side now, because they could not bring in a very deep refrigerator, they removed the apartment doors and both from the refrigerator. The depth is good, but narrow for me, especially in the sea. the compartment, where the drawers are still half trouble, you can chew them out, but on the shelves, there is always a mess, you never know what is hidden in the depths, you periodically have to take everything out, disassemble, because it is narrow and nothing is visible. Yes, the upper shelves are also reduced, due to the icemaker.
But they are my 100% satisfied. Ice is always at hand, whole or chipped and cold water. And the same thing in the other half, narrow, the distance between the shelves is not very convenient, the plastic of the drawers is flimsy, the details in one have already been sent off, at first the spouse glued, now they gave up. I am glad that when I bought I chose not with a TV, but with a bar behind a hinged door, from where, without opening the refrigerator, they get sauces, mayonnaise, etc. This is my opinion, I will be glad if I help.

And in a noufrost, it is usually already smaller with equal external dimensions. For you need to shove the air ducts and the evaporator somewhere?))

This is for miniature ones, the useful volume in the documents is indicated with this in mind, and for drip ones you will not have to put it in the butt.
In addition, for a 2-meter drip, a fan is still usually installed inside, for uniformity, while for nufrosts it is already there, and not just from above, but usually either in the center or 2-3 air ducts.

Really

Water condenses onto the wall.

Water condenses onto the wall.

In some, put back to back, do not put food back to back, water will condense anyway. And yes, the temperature is higher at the top than at the bottom, as mentioned above. As a result, such a refrigerator stores wine (above) and vegetables in boxes (below). The temperature is set to the maximum temperature threshold.

for a 2 meter drip, they usually put a fan inside.

Mine don't have a fan.

When I studied info on no-frosts, I found out that one of the many disadvantages is that it is much less spacious than it seems from the outside and does not correspond to the declared volumes.

one of the many disadvantages is that it is much less spacious than it seems from the outside and does not correspond to the declared volumes

So it seems or really does not correspond to the parameters written in the passport?
What appears to be user concerns. And what is not written in those. passport is extremely doubtful.

I made a conclusion by reading numerous reviews of users and a couple of specialists (all infa from the Internet)

I made a conclusion by reading numerous reviews of users and a couple of specialists (all infa from the Internet)

I read reviews, but knowing how they write, I always make a decision based on technical documentation.
Okay, if the person did not read those before buying. documentation, but he just thought something, but the device did not live up to his expectations.
It is worse when people write who have not seen this device in their eyes, but simply earn money from reviews. And they get paid more for negative reviews with a twist than for positive ones. And this is a real problem.
You have to "believe only yourself" and choose according to your vision, your needs and your wallet.

When I studied info on no-frosts, I found out that one of the many disadvantages is that it is much less spacious than it seems from the outside and does not correspond to the declared volumes.

Well, I don't know ... 5 shelves 50x30 (WxD), freshness zone 50x30x20 (WxDxH) and a vegetable box 50x40x28. Sometimes it seems to me that a mammoth can be accommodated. And we also removed the bottle holder, which you can use as a shelf.

For me, when buying, reviews of familiar craftsmen and people with whom I communicate and are friends, who have the equipment of these manufacturers, are still important. Well, on the site, I listen to the opinions of good people whom I trust.

For me, reviews of familiar craftsmen are still important when buying

Trust in the master is a big problem. You can only trust the master if you repair the purchased device from this master. In other cases, unfortunately, the opinion of the master is a negative parameter. because a master is just a person and an individual, and a user is also just a person and an individual. When he recommends, he keeps in mind that he will be offended if the device quickly breaks down. And this means the last word of technology will never be recommended to you! The second aspect, the more complex the equipment, the more difficult it is to repair it and those who produce this equipment offer blocks for repair, rather than individual parts. Craftsmen do not like this, so such devices are also not recommended. And thirdly, the master is also guided by how he personally uses the device. If you lead a different way of life, then here he is not your assistant. In short, a master is a separate person who has his own opinion and is afraid that you will be offended if he advises what is convenient, wonderful, but difficult to execute. What do you think he will advise you? Of course, what is the safest thing for him personally in a relationship with you.

And this, of course, is the most reliable witchcraft option. And new items of technical progress will pass you by.
They all take risks and drink champagne on their own, it has always been and will always be so.

Let's remember the story of cars with mechanics and automation. How long did it take for the advice to buy only mechanics to stop? Lots of. And why, but because everyone knows how to repair mechanics, but no automatic machine.

[LiudmiLka]

LiudmiLka, happy shopping

So I already wrote above that I bought a drip type.

And new items of technical progress will pass you by.
They all take risks and drink champagne on their own, it has always been and will always be so.

Yes, for sure, the way it is, but let these new items relate to everything, anything, just not refrigerators. If it breaks down, then every housewife knows what it threatens her (we are talking about those who have large refrigerators and are completely clogged). And how difficult it is to take out the whopper and bring it into the apartment.

I almost never read reviews, and finding them on expensive equipment is sometimes problematic. Therefore, we devils, everything is not like people. (c) The basic principle is to buy an expensive and high-quality item from a reputable manufacturer, but with a maximum discount. It can be any home or digital technology. The main thing is that at the time it entered the market, 1-3 years ago, all the best technologies at that time were collected in it and it was the flagship in its line. The puncture happened only once, with the purchase of a built-in oven from Electrolux. But who knew that the equipment of such a respected company and for such decent money would turn out to be mowing. They looked for reviews only later, after the purchase, and there were only one or two of them.

I almost never read reviews, and finding them on expensive equipment is sometimes problematic. Therefore, we devils, everything is not like people. (c) The basic principle is to buy an expensive and high-quality item from a reputable manufacturer, but with a maximum discount. It can be any home or digital technology. The main thing is that at the time it entered the market, 1-3 years ago, all the best technologies at that time were collected in it and it was the flagship in its line. The puncture happened only once, with the purchase of a built-in oven from Electrolux. But who knew that the equipment of such a respected company and for such decent money would turn out to be mowing. They looked for reviews only later, after the purchase, and there were only one or two of them.

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I have the same position.

I have 6.5 years of noufrost hair, before that I had drip indesit. I will never take a drip after nofrost.For 6.5 years I have never defrost the refrigerator, wash it as it gets dirty, but for some reason it becomes less dirty. For the summer, I lower the temperature of the refrigerating chamber to + 5C, for a cool time I return + 7C, the signal for an increase is the ice in the products that are in the refrigerating chamber at the far wall. I don’t know why this is, but this kind of movement is done twice a year. For the rest, I agree with Bijou

And so yes, noufrost for ease of use will give a hundred points ahead of crying.

Yes, for sure, the way it is, but let these new items relate to everything, anything, just not refrigerators. If it breaks down, then every housewife knows what it threatens her (we are talking about those who have large refrigerators and are completely clogged). And how difficult it is to take out the whopper and bring it into the apartment.

Bringing in and out is not a problem at all.

The only solution "if it breaks" during life is always with a full refrigerator with storage of blanks - to have two refrigerators, and then no options.

And to buy an uncomfortable, old-technology device for many years just because it MAYBE it won't break, this is self-deception.
The only real limitation can only be the budget, here you need to approach taking into account the reality of the circumstances of life.

So what do 2 refrigerators change if they are both clogged?

So what do 2 refrigerators change if they are both clogged?

Nothing funny, they change a lot. Because the strategy of storing in one refrigerator and in two is completely different.

And to buy an inconvenient, old-fashioned device for many years only because it MAYBE it won't break, this is self-deception.

And why is a good drip refrigerator with superfreezing, freezing 12 kg / day, with a bunch of the most convenient drawers and shelves, beautiful, quiet, economical worse than noisy know-frost, slipped up somehow?

Nothing funny, they change a lot. Because the strategy of storing in one refrigerator and in two is completely different.

And what does the strategy have to do with it, if both are hammered to the millimeter?

worse than noisy know-frost, slipped up somehow?

My family now uses 4 noufrosts of different generations and firms, and I could say that you are lying. None of them are sloppy, because 2 of them have been working for more than 10 years without repairs, none of them is loud, because the only remaining fifth crybaby is louder. Therefore, I will express that you are biased towards noufrost. Why biased I guess, but I will keep my guesses to myself.
With two refrigerators full of stocks for the winter, and the sudden misfortune of a breakdown, you can sort and save the more needed, more expensive, more useful (everyone chooses for himself) products. And half will remain. With one refrigerator, all supplies will be lost, this is the first thing. Second, no one ever keeps a refrigerator just for supplies. Refrigerators always have instant products for every day. If one of the refrigerators breaks down, you will have to quickly eat them or sacrifice them for supplies.
Again I will give the same example with cars on mechanics and on the machine. Anyone who likes the drip-type refrigerators of the old formation is just as hayt noufrost as the owners of mechanics haut the owners of automatic machines. They say they don't even know how to drive, and they don't know how to repair themselves, and it is impossible to tow a car in the event of a breakdown, and most importantly, if you enter a swamp, then you cannot leave on the machine. The only question is, what for constantly pulling the gearshift knob, if you can not pull it, you can not repair it yourself, but just work better at your job, and you can not tow, but evacuate. But! constantly driving on the machine is more comfortable! And we have only one life ...

None of them are slack, because 2 of them have been working for more than 10 years without repairs

Ours turned twenty this year, if not confuse.They bought it just before the default, is it 98? His life was extremely difficult, for for many years he worked at a voltage of around 160, when he groaned for hours and could not turn on, overheating the starting relay. I pulled it out of the network, let it cool down, turned it on and it ... started up! My Smartie.
Now he lives in retirement. Works. It's hard in winter - for about 7 years he has been working in an unheated "shed" like a "country house" with frosts sometimes for -15. It's hard in the summer - the temperature in the house is too high for thirty, a common thing. )) But the old man does not give up! (t-t-t) I just got a little noisy over the years ...

But the old man does not give up! (t-t-t) I just got a little noisy over the years ...

Perhaps the old people are starting to groan. Our 15 and 11 years old are not yet at that age. And sometimes I even opened the new Liebcher (he is three years old) to make sure that it works.

[LiudmiLka]

And why is a good drip refrigerator with superfreezing, freezing 12 kg / day, with a bunch of the most convenient drawers and shelves, beautiful, quiet, economical worse than noisy know-frost, slipped up somehow?

Eeeee ... LiudmiLka, that is, the drip can not be noisy and sloppy somehow, is it exclusively the privilege of NF?
In general, the situation looks very funny: it is not the owner of the SF trying to convince the satisfied owner of the SF that his choice was wrong.
Bijou, our old man is also 20 years old. The only "malfunction" during all this time - the capillary tube was clogged a couple of times. Mush coped with this problem in 10 seconds, using a syringe.

Regarding the noise level of any refrigerator, I can only say one thing: the refrigerator makes noise louder than the rating value only if it is installed incorrectly.

The only "malfunction" during all this time - the capillary tube was clogged a couple of times. Mush coped with this problem in 10 seconds, using a syringe.

What is it like? To clean the capillary tube the same whole thing with specials. tool, and at the same time the entire refrigerant needs to be changed, right?

that is, drip can not be noisy and sloppy somehow, is it exclusively the privilege of NF?

Ooo .. Our freezer, which Liebherr, will give any no-frost a head start.))) Yesterday my husband and I were poking around in the room where she stands. Husband no, no, yes, and begins to listen, they say, the rain started again, or what? We open the window - there is nothing. I say - so this freezer murmurs!

[Lena]

What is it like?

Lena, the tube through which water enters the evaporator was clogged. Isn't it capillary?

[Exocat]

Exocat
There are modern technologies, and there are realities of life ...
Against the argument "in my family now 4 noufrosts are used", simple, even primitive realities of life can also act ...
About technology: 99.999% of housewives, for example, clog the freezer so that no fan will help. The space is clogged in the same way as the Incas folded the walls: the knife cannot be inserted between the plates (products). Put at least a 1 kW fan - it won't help! By the way, it is about the same with the refrigerator: we have a 2-meter drip insert ... By the way, they wrote above that once a year it is necessary to clean all the tubes behind the refrigerator, I would really like to see how easy and natural it is to do this: removing the front panels , pulling out of the niche, and then everything is in reverse order!
Therefore, when choosing an additional freezer, I preferred the 85 cm "drip" Liebcher with 4 shelves with coil tubes built into the walls (after all, I am a supporter of modern useful technologies ...
And now completely different realities of life come into play: I had to take a low 85 cm with 4 (!) Shelves so that you could install a Saeko coffee machine on it
There is simply no place for the third and fourth in the kitchen ...
Let's also say that not very many can afford to find a place even for a second refrigerator. Well, the kitchens are like that. To offer the option "better and more work" to buy a new big apartment - let's not (for two and two is enough for us)!
PS.Just in case - I have a car with an automatic machine, or rather with a variator, I do not repair it myself!

Against the argument "4 noufrosts are now used in my family", simple, even primitive realities of life can also act ...

You did not understand a little. This is not in one apartment, not in one house. And just in the family, close relatives and + I have only 5 (4 + 1) refrigerators.
Therefore, the speech was only about the fact that the noufrost tyap-blooper was not slapped, and they did not make a catastrophic noise.
For me, it's really possible to squeeze 2 refrigerators into our ordinary apartments, no more.

There are always instant products in refrigerators for every day.

Well there is. I opened the refrigerator mentally. A bottle of milk, a pack of butter, cheese or sausage. The rest is storage. I don't know where to include vegetables. On the one hand, they are stored there, on the other, they seem to be for every day, and on the third, they can generally be stored outside the refrigerator.
I have two, but the freezer in the old Zil is less than one of the jam-packed drawers of the new noufrost. Three times ugh, so as not to die.
I don’t want to drip (remember about defrosting), but my n / f is not very taciturn either: the motor is noisy, then the liquid is murmuring. It would probably be necessary to defrost it at least once, but where is the food?

In some, put back to back, do not put food back to back, water will condense anyway.

Therefore, I do not like drips.

When I studied info on no-frosts, I found out that one of the many disadvantages is that it is much less spacious than it seems from the outside and does not correspond to the declared volumes.

But in addition to dimensions, there is also a useful volume, you can compare.

good evening, dear forum users and members of the forum!
very grateful for your advice! it is thanks to different, sometimes almost polar points of view that I have developed my own vision of my refrigerator
the choice fell on the lg gw-b499sqfz model. marble-beige handsome 2-meter tall with a chic black handle and awesome filling. cost from 40 and more in different stores. duck also Polish assembly.
I spent a lot of time looking for information, communicating with sellers, craftsmen (and with them too)
today happened to call in m-video. the friend also offered to look at the action.
I am happy to announce that I bought a refrigerator !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and now the most interesting is which one: Bosch VitaFresh Serie refrigerator | 4 KGN39XW2AR
for now, I can only say what ultimately influenced my decision:
1. "my" LG 200 cm was not available, 190 cm seemed too small, and there was no fresh zone
2.the seller offered to look at more options: the hayer was not bad, with 4 shelves in the freezer, I figured that freezing storage would be more convenient, not everything is in a heap
3. then moved on to bosh. I opened the refrigerator and saw a box for storing fruits and vegetables. I don't know how big it is in numbers, but it's huge !!!! fully extends. carrots, beets, medium-sized head of cabbage, fruit will fit there. this drawer with switch: vegetables / fruits and only fruits.
4. there are still 2 separate drawers of the zero zone (if the zero zone is not needed, then by changing the position of the switch, the drawers become just storage boxes), also completely free to slide out
5.the top shelves are easy to move, I put them right in the store and realized that they stood exactly the way I needed
6.On the door of a good 4 storage shelves
7. The freezer is not the biggest, but the plastic is very thick at the drawers. maybe my mother has a separate freezer, the volume will suit me
8. white refrigerator, flat doors, integrated handle. I'm very happy

I took turns running to the rest of the refrigerators and comparing. the vegetable drawer is really the biggest!
the decision point was that lg really had a problem with pulling out the drawers of the freshness zone !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! even if the door is opened more than 90 degrees. pulling out the drawer by 1/3, then you need to remove the bottom shelf from the door.
that was the deciding factor for me

at a price of 42990 + delivery 490 rubles.
I paid with a halva card with an installment plan for 4 months. (this is me to the fact that I did not count on such an amount initially, I just realized how I could do it)
there was a price reduction action at the moment: 47990 crossed out, share price 42990
there were no more shares. (there is a hope that not so much has been thrown over this model so that later on to give an additional discount of 10,000 rubles, if you buy an accessory from 500 rubles, as it is written on many other refrigerators)

why I bought it in a store and not through an online store. could save 5% on payment online
the seller worked very well here. Nice guy, nothing fancy, just did a really good job. and I love to appreciate a job well done. let him fulfill the plan and get a bonus

from what distinguishes bosh from lg (so far only my comparison by characteristics)
A + in bosh vs A ++ lg
no clock on display / there is a clock
no wi-fi / there is wi-fi
87 l freezer / 93 freezer
there is a sound of an open freezer door / no sound
no foldable shelf / foldable shelf available
rear grille closed / open
can be right next to the wall / not allowed
41 dB / 39 dB

this is still something that she herself managed to understand. reviews, like all models, are different, from enthusiasm to complete negativity. here one can only hope for luck.
Thanks again to everyone! I can write my impressions of the refrigerator later. will bring it after November 10 (the longest delivery time, maybe the kitchen is not ready yet)