Prus - 2
malInna, so I, too, have been choosing and choosing all autumn, and so I twisted it, and that way. And I took Elite XL. Of course, if you are a confectionery professional, induction is necessary and important. And yes, at some moments I have doubts (not big), maybe I should have taken induction after all? But as I can imagine how much electronics there would be, the lack of a guarantee (my Kesha was also brought from Europe), the price of the issue. And I really understand that it is easier for me to cook custard several times a year in the microwave. Or choux pastry, glaze in a saucepan on the stove. I do not in any way dissuade you from induction, I just propose to objectively weigh all the risks.
malInna
LyubaUnfortunately, pastry is more of a hobby than a business. I would like to do it seriously. The risks are great. But the temptation is not to stand by the stove next to the marmalade, stirring it long and tediously, to make choux pastry with a light press of a button, etc. so great that the desire to acquire just induction still outweighs. Moreover, the price is slightly higher than that of the same Elite.

I also choose the third month ... I started with the cheapest one, I got to the most expensive one) Stupid perfectionism! It is a pity that there is no official sale of first generation cars in the country. I don’t need these extra troubles with the brains of the machine. And the choice is left alone, either induction, or mechanics, but they all have .... Well, as always) elections without choice) But I have not experienced any illusions about precious service centers in our hometown for a long time. True, I did not intersect with such a monster as Kenwood. All that is easier is either to throw out and buy a new one, or to look for a master craftsman. Tested multiple times. Here is a planetary ship with a working out at anchor ... and they do not carry anchors, and do not repair. They put the whole Ukraine on their ears, and everyone is sent to look for a master in factories for rewinding and balancing. And the factory workers throw up their hands, we will rewind, but we will not do the balancing. No specialists or no equipment. The question is, what are the service centers for? The answer is, we don't fix it! They tried to send me two craftsmen to the Kaiser hob !!!! one of them is a GAS MAN !!!! to the question why do I need a gasman? I was told that it is gas !!! and if at opening it turns out that it was flooded, despite the guarantee, you will pay for the call of two (!) masters and repairs. And the repair is uuuu ... everywhere on the burners the gas control will have to be changed and the thermocouples too. Well, if you don't want two for money, knock yourself on the gas control with a spoon! I didn't want to. For 10 years, it has been working without replacing everything that they tried to get me to do on the phone, without seeing the hob, but hearing that I was not a man! Consequently, the blonde and you can hang noodles on your ears) In fairness, I must say that from time to time I knock! and once the husband opened, cleaned the contacts. But they didn't change anything! And for this "unobtrusive" service you need to pay a decent amount in advance? and then they will tell you that this is not a warranty case ?!

LydiaVera
malInna, I have a 5 kilowatt stabilizer. Although they wrote here how to adapt an uninterruptible power supply. But I was very impatient to turn on the car, the stabilizer was in the store, and the UPS had to wait. You can search the topic, late 2017 - early 2018.
And my car is 9060. If I choose between 096 and 9060, I would still take it now, because low-speed attachments are no longer made on an old car. They either look for Avito, or with an adapter.
NataliaL
I made an order on December 20, asked to bring it after 25, which made everyone very happy, because I was immediately told that delivery was a big strain before the holidays. 26 were brought, though I was looking for one box with nozzles in the car for half an hour. Kenwood 9060S ... I am learning slowly.




malInna, I also began to choose with simpler models, but I took it with induction, I decided - let it be better when needed, than vice versa. I plan in it, among other things, to cook porridge in the morning
malInna
NataliaL, that's how I am! : girl_in_dreams: I started with stadollar and reached the maximum) although I cook porridge in a saucepan in the morning in 10 minutes! But zavarnushki, marmalade, heated biscuit, Swiss meringue, protein-butter cream, custard, protein-custard, invert syrup and other vusnyashki ... not counting the ability to grind fruit-berries and boil the confiture in one bowl, again melted cheese ... Yes, all of this can be done on the stove. Fortunately, the gas has not yet been shut off) But if I now just take a combine, then I will never buy induction ... And since both machines are in the same price category, it is better to buy induction and enjoy! And if you take something cheaper and then change the silumin to stainless steel, it will turn out more expensive, but in installments ... I have already counted all the options.
NataliaL
malInna, but can you imagine - the porridge is cooked, it is stirring itself ... Beauty !!!
al2
NataliaL, we bought the cache almost at the same time. I only used it to bake and to test induction I boiled potatoes and mashed them. What have you managed to cook?
I won't cook porridge, there is no one for semolina, and the rest are good in cartoons.
Paul I
Quote: Miranda
Service cases with Kenwood are rare,
If we talk about Cookings, it is quite possible. There the motor is good and everything is big, which means it is long-playing. However, it all depends on how often you work. As for the Senses and other classmates, the situation is worse there. We have changed the engine for the second time in two years. The bearing is broken. The motor is really Chinese, but it costs 7500. The service said that this is normal for these cars. Some (apparently cafes) change motors twice a year. So it all depends on the intensity of exploitation. We drive the car almost every day within an hour. Rarely several hours.

Quote: LydiaVera
Paul I, please poke me where you can read about it
Quote: Paul I from Today at 00:25
solar powered station
Catch the link in the LAN. But these are our local specialists.
Miranda
Quote: Paul I
We have changed the engine for the second time in two years.
Maybe they don't put a new one for you? More than once I have encountered various service repairs, when they install not a new, but a restored part. We even managed to prove it a couple of times.
NataliaL
al2, it means so! I managed to chop the puff pastry on Napoleon, butter cream, respectively, too, a bowl of Olivier with a cube cutter (all components), rubbed the carrots on the smallest grater on the salad. It seems so far. I tried to roll the dough and roll it out, but I needed to adjust, but there was no time. I haven't mastered the induction yet, we'll finish the salads - I'll cook porridge.
Paul I
Quote: Miranda
Maybe they don't put a new one for you? More than once I have encountered various service repairs, when they install not a new, but a restored part. We even managed to prove it a couple of times.
Perhaps ... But until 5 years have passed, let them change at least every month. But as the guarantee ends, then we will fight))).
Olga VB
Quote: Paul I
let them change at least every month.
Well thanks! I with such "change at least every month" for just a month and sat without a car, moreover, on holidays, when I already forgot how to do everything manually, and even in such festive volumes.
And now, after that "change ..." I with great difficulty inserted the hook into the planetary socket, and then for 5 minutes I could not take it out! So now I'm even afraid to insert something else there.
And it makes more noise than the new one, and the sound is uneven again ...
So, Pavel, I do not wish anyone that your predictions "at least every month" come true



Quote: Miranda
More than once I have encountered various service repairs, when they install not a new, but a restored part. We even managed to prove it a couple of times.
So a bad suspicion crept into my mind.How to check? Open up? And what can you see there? In my case, not the entire gearbox assembly could be replaced, but only the bearing of the drive gear of the planetary gearbox and the bushing, if just such a partial repair is possible there.
These thoughts are prompted by the fact that the sound, although differently than before the repair, is uneven with the same frequency, therefore it is possible that it is at a specific point that an uneven beating / rolling / rotation occurs, and therefore it is at that point that the bearing is destroyed and bushing. Those. misalignment / balancing somewhere?
Straight hands itch to disassemble and understand.
Did someone disassemble the car?
Is it possible to replace only this bearing and bushing?
Miranda
Olga VB, something I was upset. And for you and for yourself. Since I was planning to change the lubricant at the end of the 5-year warranty, and in general diagnostics. And now I'm afraid.

Googled all sorts of reviews and somehow sadly, although you really write to the main office with a request to put things in order in the Russian branch. They even came across an epic story not about service and delivery, but how they don't want to give a check for a purchased car. How so?

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I really love my Kenwood. I consider it the best household one on the market. Plenty of baits for every taste. And it works great for years. But this business in Russian is some kind of sabotage.
Olga VB
Miranda, I looked at your link about butting for a cashier's check.
I have it, but when I handed over the CM for repairs, I was told that a sales receipt was enough. So the situation there is not unambiguous. But disgusting. It is generally not clear why they do not give cash and what has a bank loan to do with it.

I crawled along the tyrnet until I found information about the repair of the gearbox, only they all offer a complete replacement, but these are workshops - I will look for more, I can find information from home craftsmen.
In particular, so far I have found such information about Kenwood gearboxes, however, in relation to the meat grinder:
The main reason for the breakdown is the development of this gear on the axle. it rotated dry, without lubricating the shaft! As a matter of fact, there was no lubricant in the gearbox for a long time.
It has an open-type gearbox, which means that it must be periodically serviced and lubricated.
All gears were removed from the shafts, lubricated and reinstalled, instead of the worn out large gear, a new one was installed.
The body is cleaned of dirt and waste. The gearbox is installed in the housing. For better tightness, the outlet of the gearbox, on which the meat grinder screw is mounted, was treated with a sealant.

The repairs have been completed, but maintenance must be carried out periodically - at least once every two years.
It turns out that you need to monitor the lubrication and clean it periodically, i.e. to give regularly to the service? And then you don't know what to get from there
Prus - 2
Ol, but you do not practice personal contact with the masters? Well, that is, to call the service, talk to the foreman about private repair work. Maybe to come home, I did everything on the spot. Of course, it's not free ((, but at least fast and efficient.
Olga VB
Lyuban, So it was the master who personally came home for the typewriter, talked nicely, quite a nice uncle, promised to do everything well, said that there was nothing complicated there, - change the gearbox, and I'll be as good as new. He promised to clean it at the same time.
Who knew that the result would be this
NataliaL
Here I insist that you need to report these situations to Kenwood, and directly directly! They cooperate with service centers, pay them for this, so they must control them and be interested in the quality of the service! Try to write to them, it doesn't bind you to anything! Our hack, taking advantage of the fact that we all endure and are ashamed of something. It is not right!
lira3003
Quote: Olga VB
He promised to clean it at the same time.
To promise is not to marry!
Very sad, I sympathize ... I have long wanted Kenwood, I have almost made up my mind, but here it is ... And this is with the car under warranty, but what about non-warranty? Generally will score ???
Gingi
Quote: Olga VB
So it was the master who personally came home for the typewriter, talked nicely, quite a nice uncle, promised to do everything well, said that there was nothing complicated there, - change the gearbox, and I'll be as good as new. He promised to clean it at the same time.
And what prevented all this from being done on the spot, under your supervision? Mine was repaired at home with me, they did not take it anywhere.
Olga VB
I was not offered such an option. In addition, they said that the gearbox itself is not there, it must be ordered and waited, and that due to the holidays it is unpredictable in terms of timing.
Gingi
Quote: Olga VB
that the gearbox itself is not there, you have to order it and wait, and that due to the holidays it is unpredictable in terms of timing.
I also had to wait while the repairs were agreed, only the car was waiting for the master with spare parts at home.
I was not ready to give it to someone unknown to fix the new unit, which I informed the dealership about. And I was very interested in how the car, which I bought for a lot of money, works like that, that in a month it needed repairs with complete disassembly.
MarinaG
Hello! My Kesha is 3 months old KVC5100T. While reading more and just decided to write. My freezer bowl leaked, went like a gift and was included in the check with Kesha. When I began to solve the problem (both in the store and in the service center) I heard such information. Hand over the nozzle together with Kesha and other nozzles, since the bowl is leaking through no fault of mine. She asked the question: "Why hand over everything? Isn't it easier to replace only the nozzle / ice cream maker? And what will happen to the device, it's practically new and works well?" Answer: "We will put it up for sale as a display case at a different price." It's not over yet. I'm just waiting for a denouement and wanted to write in the topic "nozzles"
lira3003
Quote: MarinaG
Answer: "We will put it up for sale as a display case at a different price."
Let them better return you the amount by which the cost of the display sample will decrease
zvezda
Marina, yeah ... you have a detective at all
Olenka! Let's hope for the best! I am very worried about you! In general, of course, this is a mess of some kind that the workshops themselves lit up, it seems to me that the company is not aware of such chaos! Who doubts the purchase .. I would tell you about Maikuk (there is expensive equipment too) there in general
Paul! As always, I am very glad to see you! I still hope that you will have a look at my typewriter
Who chooses between 9060 and 096, I had both of these cars, take 9060 and do not hesitate!
Petersburgers, who needs to be added to the WhatsApp, I have a 9060 car for the second year and I cook on it every day, than I can, I will help
al2
Olga VB, I hope that everything will be fine with Keshenka. But if, all of a sudden, prevention is needed, then the best thing is to contact the Kenwood studio and negotiate with the craftsmen who carry out the prevention and repair of their cars. There, cars are often used in extreme conditions. If you really pay, it's better to those who know these machines.
And my husband himself repaired the meat grinder, replaced the plastic gear.
Jamilya Korotkova
Good day! I re-read a lot of pages, but I could not find an answer (maybe I missed the right page? ..)
About the mode VSTVv coking 9040. How to "make" it work at the right time ?? I am making choux pastry, the mode is on. I stop the car, open the head (or don't open it), fill up the flour, start the car and immediately turn on both high speed and start the mode. But it doesn't turn on! As a result, I turn on and off the car, then it works. And the precious time for brewing the dough has already been lost ... why does not it turn on immediately (I know how to turn it on after a long press).
Could it be that I don't turn it off before stopping the machine? Thank you all in advance
Miranda
Quote: MarinaG
Hand over the nozzle together with Kesha and other nozzles, since the bowl is leaking through no fault of mine. She asked the question: "Why hand over everything? Isn't it easier to replace only the nozzle / ice cream maker? And what will happen to the device, it's practically new and works well?" Answer: "We will put it up for sale as a display case at a different price."
Is it in Mvideo or at the officials?
Ie.Are you offered a new car with new attachments or just a refund? If we replace a machine with attachments, then this is somehow outside of human logic.

Quote: zvezda
In general, of course, this is a mess of some kind that the workshops themselves lit up, it seems to me that the company is not aware of such chaos!
Oh, okay, the tsar doesn't know, the boyars are bad. As for Moscow (maybe St. Petersburg), they have their own office. service. Which they promise on the VIP service - to come home, etc.
MarinaG
The service center said, take the car with all the attachments, then hand it over to the store and get the full amount back. The act was not given in my hands, I wrote a statement that I was taking the freezer bowl. She took it and left. I wrote a claim to the official. website after the call. They explained everything to me how to do it. Claim in the customer department. It all happened just before NG. Now I'm waiting for what will happen next. This is in brief. There were many unpleasant moments.

No, the store is not Mvideo. I didn't get to the store. There is no act.
Prank
Quote: Jamilya Korotkova
About the mode VSTVv coking 9040. How to "make" it work at the right time ?? I am making choux pastry, the mode is on. I stop the car, open the head (or don't open it), fill up the flour, start the car and immediately turn on both high speed and start the mode. But it does not turn on

They raised their heads, poured flour, lowered them and press and hold the leftmost button where the thermometer should start to interfere for 4-5 seconds, if not, sometimes it helps to put the big rotary button stirring at 0 and then again at the desired speed. I think this is protection, imagine you interfered with something liquid, hot, a lot, lowered your head, did not have time to put on the lid, and it turns by 6 - the whole kitchen will be in what you cook.
And you better fall asleep - add without looking up
Nata-li
Dear forum users!
I want 9060. I started looking for information and ... I can't figure out where to buy this model. Maybe the hands are crooked, but at the office. I did not find this model on the Kenwood website. Please stick your nose.
And the second question is about installments. While I was going to buy this model, prices increased significantly. I read here that you can take it in installments and, by closing it ahead of schedule, save 10%. I just didn't understand how (please don't scold me, but I'm a layman in this). But it was about a Tinkoff credit card. Will it work with a Post Bank credit card or not?
I would be very grateful for a detailed answer.
Miranda
Nata-li, induction is separated into a separate site - 🔗
9060 is not there now, call to find out when it will be.

You cannot save 10% with any credit card.
A credit card and an installment plan (loan) are two different things.

They gave you a credit card, set a limit. And you don't need to get permission from the bank for every purchase - spend on what you want within the limit. And either extinguish on time and the entire amount, avoiding interest on the loan, or not on time and / or not the entire amount - then you fly into rather big interest. But this is everyone's financial literacy.

Installment (loan) - you apply for a targeted loan on special terms with the bank. Whether or not the bank agrees to give you a loan. You sign an agreement with the bank, the bank transfers money to the store, the store gives you the goods.

An installment plan without overpayments is obtained due to the fact that the store makes a 10% discount to the bank. Not you, but the bank. That is, if the car costs 80 thousand (without 10 rubles), then the bank pays 72 thousand to the store. But you will receive 80 thousand - 10 times 8 thousand.

This is interesting for the store, because it sells goods, money in circulation.
The bank is interested in this, since it will receive 8 thousand profit.
This is interesting to you, because you do not immediately give 80 thousand, but 10 months for 8 thousand, where in each payment: 7200 rubles. - the body of the loan, and 800 rubles. -% to the bank.

Your agreement with the bank will be 72 thousand rubles. + interest. If you repay immediately, you will not pay interest. You only need 72 thousand. Thus, a 10% discount is obtained.

It is better for the bank not to speak at the time of registration about its plans to repay ahead of schedule, since it will most likely not approve the loan.After all, the bank is spent on registration, on a courier, and will not earn a penny in case of early repayment. Only a plus in the karma of a good loan portfolio

Miranda
But beautiful, nevertheless, colored cars. This is Sense.



As I wrote in the Reference Book, color Sense XL is not sold in Russia.
KM Kenwood. Directory. # 27

Prus - 2
Yeah - beautiful! It's a pity that we don't have those either.
Miranda
Prus - 2, we offer for extra. paint money 9040 (induction without additional attachments). But to come to the store, look at the multi-colored - no. Only Kmix (but this is a separate line) and Sense with small bowls, but not completely colored, only a part, and the colored glass bowl.
zvezda
Quote: Jamilya Korotkova
I am making choux pastry, the mode is on. I stop the car
Are you doing this on the machine? If yes .. why STOP! Pour flour through the window or, if you didn’t wear it, then just pour it on top and immediately press the left button and hold it until the HST ON MODE lights up and the red lights up!... If not on the machine, write in more detail, you made a mistake somewhere, but here you need to look step by step.




Quote: Nata-li
I want 9060.
And what you do not want now, while you have, buy 9040, because this is the same thing, take a combine and a meat grinder as a gift (you really need it) and for an extra 10,000 difference from 9060 buy a rolling dough and whatever you want! While you think, this one will be lost! Although, you can wait, all of a sudden it will appear .. (personally, I, hurry, could not wait)
So I like colored ...
VRad
Quote: zvezda
And what you do not want now, while you have, buy 9040, because this is the same thing, take a combine and a meat grinder as a gift (you really need it) and for an extra 10,000 difference from 9060 buy a rolling dough and whatever you want! While you think, this one will be lost!
+1. Promotion until January 15, I think, you need to call, clarify about the harvester and, perhaps, just wait for it.
Quote: zvezda
and immediately press the left button and hold until the SWITCHED MODE lights up and lights up red!
I have a car for a little over a year, but during this time, the HVHT mode refused to work a couple of times. I had to turn it off and on again. But, I repeat, this has happened only a few times, and not all the time.
Mindalka
Quote: Jamilya Korotkova

Thanks, but that's what I do, it still doesn't work ..
I will learn to fall asleep without stopping, usually part of the flour outside the bowl is
I turn on the induction to 100 degrees, while stirring flexi, as it boils, I immediately turn off the stirring, raise my head, gently pour the flour, lower my head and turn on the stirring mode again. I do not turn off the induction for about a minute. Maybe a little less than a minute. Everything is brewed perfectly. After the dough has cooled to 50-60 degrees, I start adding eggs and turn on high speed.
I mean that with the "stirring" mode, the dough will brew perfectly, the speed is not particularly needed. Before keshi, I always made such dough by hand, I didn’t turn my spoon around at great speed), everything is brewed like that ..
venera19
Here I read and read, I don't understand at all about the choux pastry, the regime.
The cookie chef's website has a section for New Year's recipes. There is just choux pastry and no modes.

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For the new year I was making a cake "Lady's finger", making choux pastry using the above link. Everything worked out. What mode, why?
Miranda
venera19, I support.
Since I have my first induction without modes, I don't really understand about them either. I think that if / when I have a machine with modes, I will still use a lot in the manual version.

Choux pastry is the easiest recipe in my collection. I make a baking sheet of profiteroles in a maximum of 20 minutes, this is with jigging, but without baking time. The machine makes the dough itself for 10-12 minutes. of which I wait 4-5 minutes for the temperature to drop to an acceptable level so that eggs can be added (in the first induction, the timer was how long the machine worked, I was very used to watching the operating time. In the new induction, the time does not add up, it seems).
LydiaVera
Good day to all! Recently there was a question on the Italian merengue on the machine, whether it is possible to make a smaller volume than the recipe says. I also wrote that it might not work.And today I remembered that when I started to master the car, I just did a reduced volume. And everything worked out. I changed the ingredients proportionally, of course.
Sclerosis, damn it, family.
zvezda
LydiaVera, I now have Italian on the machine - the most! Bezeshki are generally awesome!
Quote: Miranda
I don't really understand about them either. I think that if / when I have a machine with modes, I will still use a lot in the manual version.
Do you remember how at first I could not get used to .. I said the same thing, so what ?! Now, without a machine gun, it didn't work out .. you get used to good things quickly!
LydiaVera
zvezdaYes, Italian on the machine is fantastic! But I also took it internally for a long time; it destroys all the canons.
Marinuly
zvezda, LydiaVera, tease
Now thoughts began to visit me that the machine was still better. After all, kneading bread dough can be done manually ...
VRad
Quote: LydiaVera

Recently there was a question on the Italian merengue on the machine, whether it is possible to make a smaller volume than the recipe says.
Thank you . I asked that
zvezda
LydiaVera, I mixed everything up the meringue I liked the Swiss one more, and I love the Italian (or BZ) so much!
For choux pastry, my participation, only 1 minute!




Quote: Marinuly
in manual mode
Marina! You can do EVERYTHING on hand, but I don't think that manufacturers are enough to come up with new functions not to make it easier for people, but only because of marketing! Now, after a year, I can EXACTLY say that it is an automatic machine. programs are insanely convenient! How about tempering chocolate? I often do this now and dancing with a pyrometer in my hands does not suit me very much in comparison with a machine gun
Miranda
Quote: zvezda
you get used to good things quickly!
I believe! I don’t remember when I made choux pastry with my hands on the stove, and I hope I will never be on the stove. Maybe I would also have mastered some kind of machines. But I will definitely not trust the program anyway. I don't like her logic, and it doesn't fit the bread that I make.
LydiaVera
I am ashamed, but I still make the custard on the machine in manual mode. Well, just out of laziness, look at the instructions.
balabolka
Quote: zvezda

I now have Italian on the machine - the most! Bezeshki are generally awesome! Do you remember how at first I could not get used to .. I said the same thing, so what ?! Now it didn't work without a gun.
Today I tried to make a Swiss one on the machine and failed ((I turned on the program and when I wrote, set the speed, I put the wheel on the stirring icon .. as it was drawn on the screen. And my whisk barely interfered and nothing whipped up. I had to set the speed myself to 6 ? I thought that everything is installed there by itself .. Girls, can you tell me how to use the programs? How do you make meringue and custard on the machine?
zvezda
balabolka, I'll try to shoot a video the other day! And then there are a lot of questions ..
Nyufab
Tell me if anyone had an E 10 error. Does not turn on, the display is on. And it gives this error. Maybe someone had it and somehow managed to solve this problem.

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