Kenwood kitchen machines

And today I was spinning in the media market near the grinder, I almost bought it. Now I definitely won't buy it, since it's not very good.

And I like the grinder: coffee, spices, dry herbs, lemon, grinds everything. The only thing is that the ingredients must be either dry or in sufficient liquid. But this condition is quite feasible for me.
I especially like to grind dried vanilla pods, put them aside in an airtight container, and make powdered sugar on the walls for sprinkling: the aroma is fabulous!
In general, the nozzle is convenient and useful for me.

Added on Tuesday 12 Jul 2016 05:46 PM

I can also add that the citrus juicer is not a very good pressing surface profile.

What's the problem there? I just want to buy it ...

Well, yes, there are no complaints about the Kenwood whisk. And buying Bosch because of this is nonsense.

Have you tried Bosch Mum at work?

Added on Tuesday 12 Jul 2016 11:40 pm

The question was posed as follows - what can be improved in Kenwood. And not so - to buy or not attachments.
For example, a blender. It is easy to wash it and not disassembled. And it is not always easy for a woman to tighten everything correctly. And AFTER the blender is working, removing it from the machine, it is very easy to twist it incorrectly (disconnect it in the wrong place). If even the probability of this exists, this is a reason to think about the designers. Here, Paul writes that buying Bosch is nonsense. But this is not about buying Bosch, but about the fact that Bosch's whisk works better. I had Bosch, and now I have Kenwood, I can compare. The Bosch whisk collects the mixture better in the bowl (and this is its only plus) - why not take note of this for the designers. After all, the price of attachments is space - and it is right for the buyer to demand impeccable work and good instructions.

Added on Tuesday 12 Jul 2016 11:43 pm

Again, the mini chopper is a great thing in itself, and I use it a lot.
But if there is a flaw in the design - can we indicate this to the manufacturer?
After all, it is very problematic to really add something to it during work.

Added on Tuesday 12 Jul 2016 11:46 pm

she talked about the algorithm for moving the corolla

Namely - it moves differently, as if around its axis. This is exactly what planetary rotation is. Watch at least a video of the work, it can be seen.

[Paul I]

Paul I, to the question of induction. I have 90 Kesha. I am engaged in confectionery - induction helps me. Moreover, my daughter is a baby and it is more convenient for me to make honey (custard for eclairs) dough in Kesh; or to brew a base for creams in it, than to stand at the stove - electro, poorly regulated, it will always burn, then run away ...
I would like to cook a very caramel sauce in it - but I'm afraid it won't ruin the caramel bowl, and I don't know if it is possible to melt sugar in a bowl to caramel ...

[Paul I]

Paul I, Can I ask you to find out if they are planning to make a version not with induction, but with ten in the near future? They say that after all, induction is not so safe. Although, believe it or not - everyone decides for himself, but if a model with ten appeared, I believe she would have her own fans))

What's the problem there? I just want to buy it ...

I wrote somewhere in the attachments. The bottom line is that the shape of the pressing surface is not very good. It is so smooth and round and it takes a lot of effort to spin properly.

Added Wednesday 13 Jul 2016 01:17 PM

The Bosch whisk collects the mixture better in the bowl (and this is its only plus)

I do not know exactly the constructive, but perhaps it conflicts with some other qualities.And I had to make a choice, perhaps.

But if there is a flaw in the design, can we indicate this to the manufacturer?

We do it, but for this you need to be an advanced user with engineering education and design skills.

Added Wednesday 13 Jul 2016 1:22 pm

I would like to cook a very caramel sauce in it - but I'm afraid it won't ruin the bowl with caramel, and I don't know if it is possible to melt sugar in a bowl to caramel ...

I think it will succeed and certainly will not spoil. Sugar in any form is readily soluble in water.

Pavel I, Can I ask you to find out if they are planning to make a version not with induction, but with ten in the near future? They say that after all, induction is not so safe. Although, believe it or not, everyone decides for himself, but if a model with ten appeared, I believe she would have her own fans))

I have not heard of that. You can ask. But they are unlikely to start releasing another such exclusive product on the market. And so far, as far as I understand, induction is proceeding with a creak. The user market is too small - a new thing, incomprehensible, and the cost price is decent.
And besides, which of the manufacturers still has at least induction, Kitchen Aid? I haven't heard of that.

and the cost is decent.

The prime cost is cheap, even if the "almost full-fledged" induction tabletop cooker, together with all the trade markups, costs 5 thousand.
But I do not know anything about the quality of induction in Kenwood. Yes, there can be power regulation like full and high quality hobs. It may not be...

The prime cost is cheap, even if the "almost full-fledged" induction tabletop cooker, together with all the trade markups, costs 5 thousand.

Do not confuse a standalone induction hob with a serious fancy machine. And then I'm not talking about the cost of production, but development and implementation. These are completely different things.
Adding an induction option to an existing machine is not at all like screwing on a 5,000 induction hob from below.
Similarly, adding an air conditioner to a finished car will cost orders of magnitude more, which is simply to stick condo from the store into the salon.

And then I'm not talking about the cost of production, but development and implementation. These are completely different things.

Yes, yes ... Therefore, a piece of stamped brass for the production of pasta should cost five thousand in retail.))

will cost orders of magnitude more

One order of magnitude is ten times. One-piece multicooker with induction heating can cost only ten thousand. But they developed and implemented ...

Unfortunately not in the know of Kenwood pricing methodology, but I share your indignation at the price of brass stamping. Often, and for this reason, I do not take these attachments.

[Paul I]

Paul I,
Each thing costs as much as it can be sold for. (C) We can buy harvesters for one hundred thousand - for that much they will be sold. The margin is colossal, big sales are not required, and for the elite, why not? In any case, it's good that there is a choice. And we ourselves have to decide whether it is a luxury or necessary. )

The margin is colossal, big sales are not required, and for the elite, why not?

Kenwood representatives, on the contrary, complain that today they are selling inductions almost at a loss. It's hard to judge. We don't know their cuisine and overheads. But I believe that the margin, if any, is very modest. Because according to the rules of marketing, if the "margin is colossal" and sales are small, it is necessary to urgently reduce the cost in order to invigorate sales and ensure turnover. And to keep the "colossal margin" is possible only in conditions of increased demand and deficit for the goods, such as with iPhones.
Something like this from the point of view of sound logic.

Because according to the rules of marketing, if the "margin is colossal" and sales are small, it is necessary to urgently reduce the cost in order to invigorate sales and ensure turnover.

Do you think? I thought that this only makes sense with a very hot product. Where it makes sense to make money on the turnover. And there are always and will be piece tops. If you "make sales" on them, then who will need the lower models?))

If you "make sales" on them, then who will need the lower models?

The lower models will always be needed, practically the business is built on this.

There is a difference, to sell one high-quality and expensive kenwood for 100 thousand rubles (wealthy and understanding people will take it) and it will serve very well.

Or sell 100 small blenders and a bunch of inexpensive multicooker at an inexpensive price. And such devices do not bother with the quality of the device, the most important thing here is to sell more. And even if these devices serve little and with marriage, they are sold more, since they are cheap and there are a lot of them and there is a large selection, and in which case it is not easy to throw it away. And manufacturers are interested in this, the quality is lower - sales are more often and more - since there simply will not be another product, there will not be any on purpose!
And it is profitable to screw one more "nut" into the device and assign a "new model" - and sales will go again - after all, a new model!
And again we went in a circle ...

This method of production and sales has been written for a long time ...

It is enough to look at the forum: how many people have Kenwood fully loaded and how long it has served them.
And how many cheap multicooker people have and keep buying the "new model"

[Admin]

Admin, are you arguing with me or agree?)

[Admin]

Admin, are you arguing with me or agree?)

And how you want to understand Maybe just a statement of what is in trade
I'm not constantly in the subject - I saw the phrase and clung

I share your indignation at the price of brass stamping. Often, and for this reason, I do not take these attachments.

What are the brass nozzles?
Only pasta?

[Paul I]

Maybe just a statement of what is in trade

Duc like I just said the same thing. Arguing with Paul I.

Miranda, but maybe not brass, I just blurted it out purely in appearance. Yellow ones.

Do you think? I thought that this only makes sense with a very hot product. Where it makes sense to make money on the turnover. And there are always and will be piece tops. If you "make sales" on them, then who will need the lower models?))

With any product. Moreover, more often it is the top models, in view of their cost price, that are sold with no margin at all, or even with a negative margin. This is the face of the firm. And the company makes the main profit and turnover on teapots and toasters. I emphasize that we are talking about a company, not a Chinese standard name. For reference, you can see the price of the Kitchen Ayda teapot.
Be that as it may, top models do not have "colossal margins".

I do not know exactly the constructive, but perhaps it conflicts with some other qualities. And I had to make a choice, perhaps.

Bosch solved the issue of whisk rotation very correctly, but the whisk itself is very simple - there are knitting needles made of thick wire on a piece of plastic. But do not forget that this is Bosch Mum 54251, which in the maximum configuration costs 21,000 rubles (with cubes, whisk, meat grinder, blender, juicer, graters, etc.). Bosch has a more expensive segment, where the rim design is all-metal. But even in a cheap combine, proper planetary mixing is BETTER than Kenwood.

But even in a cheap combine, proper planetary mixing is BETTER than Kenwood.

It is quite possible, if, of course, you can find objective criteria for mixing. After all, others do not complain, have not heard.
They definitely screwed up with a citrus juicer. They did not like everyone else, smooth edges, not sharp ones, and really squeeze worse than on a regular one. I even want to fit a working cone from my old citrus juicer to Kenwood.
By the way, if Bosch is better this way, what is Kenwood doing with you?

I like Kenwood. But I would change something a little. I had Bosch before Kenwood. Bosch is easy to work with, but not as reliable. There are also complaints about him.Others don't complain about the Kesha whisk because most likely there was no way to compare. Here, as usual - "If only Nikanor Ivanovich's lips were put to Ivan Kuzmich's nose ...". But if you have the opportunity to communicate with representatives of Kenwood, and they would have taken into account the wishes ... It would have turned out SUPER Kenwood. And no Boshi would have been his competitors! So do not take my comments as criticism of the brand, but only as a desire to make improvements. At the same time, comparing with those devices with which I have already managed to work.

So do not take my comments as criticism of the brand, but only as a desire to make improvements. At the same time, comparing with those devices with which I have already managed to work.

Why not criticize the brand? I myself do this all the time. Vaughn threw them a bunch of different proposals. And if they make contact, then they are interested in feedback.
But the point is that any criticism must be formalized in clear criteria. It's easy with a wiper and juicer. Everything is clear there.
And how to formalize the criterion "correct planetary mixing, BETTER than Kenwood." We need some specifics. Because it may turn out to be BETTER not at all because of the design of the machine or the whisk, but for many other reasons. That is the question.
Well, on the question "I would change something a little" write in more detail, and I will formalize and inform the manufacturer. It is clear that the result will not be quickly, but I hope he will take into account the comments.

[Paul I]

By the way, if Bosch is better this way, what is Kenwood doing with you?

Paul I, Paul, it is still incorrect to put the question like that. I do not know what Kenwood is doing with Elena, I can answer for myself. Works, and works great as a dough and minced meat mixer. I was looking for a "naked" model for a long time, but a powerful and all-metal one, including the attachments. I bought it at Universe and I can't get enough of it. But the dough for biscuit really beats better even in an inexpensive manual Boshik (mixer). There I continue to beat. I wanted to buy a dough sheeting attachment, but then I gave up this thought, we don't often make dumplings or dumplings, but we don't make noodles at all, so I won't buy it yet.
She chose the kitchen car specially "unkillable", because the pension was not far off. This is tantamount to the fact that the husband is going to change the car for a new one with galvanized coating (you are from St. Petersburg, you know what I mean - to postpone the inevitable process of corrosion in our climate as much as possible, that is, to save the family budget).

This is tantamount to the fact that the husband is going to change the car for a new one with galvanized coating (you are from St. Petersburg, you know what I mean - to postpone the inevitable process of corrosion in our climate as much as possible, that is, to save the family budget).

Oh, as I understand. )))

But the dough for biscuit really beats better even in an inexpensive manual Boshik (mixer

And here I, as a not so advanced user, always have a question. Is Kenwood to blame, or is it just that we do not know how to knead the dough onto a biscuit in this particular case. For this, this forum exists to adjust some points in working with the machine (speed, nozzle, order and method of introducing ingredients, etc.) to obtain an optimal result. And then it may turn out that Kenwood can do the same, and perhaps even better. We just didn't know how until now. Well, they used the old-fashioned proven methods, which is easier and faster than experimenting with a new one.

And I would make a cube on a high-speed socket, on a low-speed one it sits so unreliably, I am constantly afraid that it will break off. And of course, additional attachments to the cube with other sizes, although I suspect that the smaller size is not presented precisely because it is not very stable attached. By the way, on the cube, the question is: why is it a separate nozzle, and not as part of, for example, a food processor or a high-speed grater ... I bought it for the blanks, but is it worth buying for the sake of slicing a salad once a month ... I would not.

[Paul]

Paul, the attachment is the same, the whisk, and the whisk - the eggs with sugar are the same. But Kenwood with a capacity of 1400 watts whips slowly and sadly, shaking his head, following all the manufacturer's recommendations, while Boschik with 350 watts in less time, easily and playfully, gives the best result. I mix the flour gently with a spatula from bottom to top in both cases, but after Boshik I get a light airy porous biscuit, and after Kenwood - just a biscuit, not AH! I would like to find out why?

but after Boshik I get a light airy porous biscuit, and after Kenwood - just a biscuit, not AH! I would like to find out why?

The question is complex. Probably the best answer would be professional pastry chefs working for the Kenwoods. And even in this case, the concepts of "just a biscuit" and "light airy porous biscuit" are subjective and depend on everything, including the quality of the ingredients. Therefore, in my understanding, as a techie, you can get a more or less objective result only if, in addition, the chef comes with your Barefoot, make the mentioned biscuit with him and ask Kenwood to do the same.
And it may well turn out that for different machines to achieve a similar result, it is necessary to change the recipe or something else.

Added Thursday, 14 Jul 2016, 01:37 PM

And I would make a cube on a high-speed socket, on a low-speed one it sits so unreliably, I am constantly afraid that it will break off. And of course, additional attachments to the cube with other sizes, although I suspect that the smaller size is not presented precisely because it is not very stable attached. By the way, on the cube, the question is: why is it a separate nozzle, and not as part of, for example, a food processor or a high-speed grater ...

This is a question for designers in general. Perhaps there are conflicting requirements for these two processes, which did not allow combining options in one nozzle. I, as a user, can only say that there is nothing to be afraid of. The strength and reliability of the design is very high.

[stalena]

I also have a Bosch, and the simplest one, which is plastic.
I fully agree with stalena, the very principle of planetary replacement at Bosch is much better.
BUT, Kenwood is large and can knead large portions of dough, and induction))

And it may well turn out that for different machines to achieve a similar result, it is necessary to change the recipe or something else.

Quite possible. The recipe is as simple as three kopecks, but about something else that has been interesting for a long time, and not only me. Hopefully the issue will be cleared up. And then in general it became too lazy to work manually, I was spoiled.

the very principle of planetary replacement in Bosch is much better

The principle is one.
But its implementation ...
And here the question is, what exactly is better and how is this reflected in the construct. Which of the analytically-minded owners Boshev can analyze this and give at least some objective criteria. Then it will be possible to knock with this at Kenwood. I'm more than confident that they are monitoring and testing competitors. And they will surely have something to answer?

[Paul]

Paul, I do not think that they will change anything. Kenwood has been making circular machines all his life.
And Bosch rotates according to the x-principle, as the planet Earth rotates with an inclination, so they rotate.
And in order for Kenwood to do the same, they will have to redo the entire system inside the machine, where the hook and whisk are attached, and this is expensive and they do not need)

Therefore, it makes sense to do an analysis)))

Like Bosch, he will switch to a rotation system from Kenwood))))

[Masinen]

Masinen, Mashun, I adore you! I came and settled the whole situation.

Thanks for the details. Didn't know that. I will study the question. Although I do not think that this fundamentally affects the splendor of the test)))

Posted Thursday, Jul 14, 2016 2:37 PM

Therefore, it makes sense to do an analysis)))

They have already done so.
And then, it's like rear-wheel drive or front-wheel drive. Or diesel or gasoline.
Each of them has its own pros and cons for sure.
If some principle was head and shoulders above the others, it would become a standard and everyone would have switched to it long ago, according to the logic of things.

Added Thursday, 14 Jul 2016, 02:40 PM

Came and settled the whole situation

This is which side to look at.
For me, so confused, on the contrary.
Etoges now have to prove that it is precisely this principle of the planetary mixer that is better for hanging biscuit dough. And explain why.
Well, it's not a fact that for other recipes (processes) it is also better. The work pulls for a Ph.D. in physics.

Added Thursday, 14 Jul 2016, 15:09

Yes, I looked, the principle of rotation for Bosches is fundamentally different from other manufacturers. All the rest of the Borks, Kitchens and other Kenwoods are built somewhat according to the same scheme. And only Bosch is different.
It can be assumed that Kenwood's scheme is more universal and has a wider range of applications.
So, for example, just for example, I am not saying anything, but maybe it’s the Bosch biscuit dough that kneads better, and all other types of dough, especially thick ones, interfere better with Kitchens and Kenwoods. This is generally confirmed by sales volumes and place on the market. I saw a video where Kenwood easily kneads a thick dough on which Bosch just goes crazy.

[Paul I]

Paul I, well, you, when Bosch is considering for comparison, still consider the MaxxiMum series. I can hardly imagine the dough on which it will wedge. At least on dumplings from 1 kg of flour, I kneaded the dough without any problems.

[Paul I]

Paul I, there are many videos on YouTube where Bosch and Kenwood are compared, and you are right, something is better in Bosch, and something in Kenwood.

The work pulls for a Ph.D. in physics.

yeah)))) You should take Bosch from someone, only from older models and make a test drive))))

Maybe it's because of different attachments? For example, I can hardly imagine how flexi iksik rotates ... and even a suffleika with a creak.

Well, you, when Bosch is considering for comparison, still consider the MaxxiMum series. I can hardly imagine the dough on which it will wedge. At least on dumplings from 1 kg of flour, I kneaded the dough without any problems.

I don’t know, the video I saw was Bosch Mum8. I don’t know what kind of animal it is, but I believe it is one of the top. But I'm sorry, I was wrong. it was not him that jammed, but Bork.

Added Thursday, Jul 14, 2016 3:42 PM

Maybe it's because of different attachments? For example, I can hardly imagine how flexi iksik rotates ... and even a suffleika with a creak.

Most likely this is the case. Perhaps this drive is more versatile.

the video I saw was Bosch Mum8.

They are no longer on sale now. As I understand it, this model later became known as MaxxiMum. Maybe they changed something in it, or maybe they just renamed it for a marketing move. I realized what kind of video you were watching. I saw him too. Bork really gets sick there.

Check out my Bosch video with flexi attachment.
Filmed specially for girls, owner of Bosch
This recipe video. Creaks nothing, perfectly grinds food))

Sweet Serbian Pita "Fantasy" (Masinen)

I only saw Boshi mumas in the store. And working only on YouTube.

I don't really like their solution with the attachments. Meat grinder, dough sheeter / noodle cutter - very low. Now lower it here, then raise it, turn it - I don't like it either, but you can put up with everything except this low landing.

I watched various comparison videos on YouTube, and the feeling that Bosch whips faster due to Ixik. A couple of minutes faster. And of course, no conclusion can be drawn about the quality of the dough or the finished biscuit from the video.

I'm upset. Probably my Kesha is dying. At low speeds, it rattles very much, at high speeds it seems to work as before. It gets very hot literally after five minutes of work. The day before yesterday I was kneading the meat for sausage, after 17 minutes of work, it got very hot, it smelled of burnt, and it turned off. He stood, cooled down, earned. Yesterday I twisted the meat for minced meat at 4 speeds perfectly, but there was a kilogram of meat, so it worked for only 3 minutes. I managed to warm up, but not critical.Today I beat eggs on a sponge cake at 6 speed. If there was a distant smell of burning, after 5 minutes it was very hot, I had to turn it off. The biscuit did not rise as it should (((I'm even afraid to start the bread, because it will work disgustingly at first speed. What to do? To the service? Someone here wrote about a five-year guarantee of some kind, what kind of beast? Where was it make out?

What to do? To the service? Someone here wrote about a five-year guarantee of some kind, what kind of animal is this? Where did you have to issue?

The Kenwood website is being processed. Well, of course, as a guarantee. Most likely a marriage.

[Paul]

Paul, and what documents are needed for the service?

[shlyk_81]

shlyk_81, and what is yours and how old is he?
Hope the service helps you!

Pavel, what documents are needed for the service?

Yes, in fact, only a sales receipt and a nameplate on the bottom (there are some other numbers on it)
Based on this number (everything is shown there on the site. Keywords Kenwood iron guarantee) fill out the certificate and take it to the service.

[asterisks]

there are many videos on YouTube where Bosch and Kenwood are compared

Here, uncle impartially compares Bosch and Kenwood in the process: www * youtube * com / watch? V = -lGOx_OtRK0
The video is in German, but everything is db. understandable, because min. text, and the shooting quality is very good. True, in my opinion it is difficult to compare 2 cars with completely different attachments (some kind of half-crown works in Boch, and a K-attachment in Kenwood) In the comments under the video, the author, in a dispute with one nickname, clearly puts Kenwood in first place.
I had to put in the link instead of dots asterisks(don't forget to fix). When I tried to insert a normal link, I was called a newbie (and I have been here for 2 years!) And that I am not allowed to post any external links, but I have already posted, yes.

flexi iksikom rotates ...

Spins great!

[Ira]

Ira, newbie, there are no 50 posts in profile topics yet (not chatty). And there is a bb code for youtube.

Here is an interesting video that, I think, clarifies the principle of the Bosch whisk.
Also in the link, instead of dots, put asterisks (do not forget to correct).

www * youtube * com / watch? v = xfoO1Hcxxlk