Levreta
Quote: * Annie *

For those who want a washing vacuum cleaner: first decide on the place where to put it (since some have an apartment and find an extra sq. M. Is problematic) and then think about buying ...
And yet .. in addition to this vacuum cleaner there is also a box with all nozzles and personal belongings, about the same area and 20-25 centimeters in height
Which vacuum cleaner to buy?
I took this into account. At home there is a place for its storage. This is not the point. But I would like to hear a substantive answer.
Levreta
Quote: Jefry

Not all yoghurts are created equal I have a bagless vacuum cleaner with crazy suction power.
I also looked at Dyson carefully when choosing. As for me, besides the price, it also has disadvantages. I especially did not like the fact that the cyclones, which are responsible for fine cleaning, are inside the case. And any, even the most super-duper filter, which is not cleaned, after a while itself becomes a source of pollution.
I absolutely agree with the latter.
* Anyuta *
Quote: Levreta

But I would like to hear a substantive answer.

Essentially read the post № 441, and indeed Temko as a whole ... It's not so long to read here - you will wait longer for answers!
And in the topic there were already "heated debates" about all types of vacuum cleaners ... From these "debates" you will get the necessary information for yourself ...
Levreta
Quote: * Annie *

Essentially read the post № 441, and indeed Temko as a whole ... It's not so long to read here - you will wait longer for answers!
And in the topic there were already "heated debates" about all types of vacuum cleaners ... From these "debates" you will get the necessary information for yourself ...
I read your post. As I understood from it, you were in a position and it was inconvenient for you to use it. After reading a lot of reviews and information on the Internet, I still wanted a detergent, and these so-called disadvantages that you are writing about, I have taken into account. I'm tired of cheap bag vacuum cleaners and still want a washing one, since there are carpets in the house.
* Anyuta *
Quote: Levreta

as the house has carpets.

Then all the same, I would advise you to watch the Körcher line ... and more .. consider the Steam generator, as one of the carpet cleaning units .. maybe a good vacuum cleaner + steam generator (the same Körcher) = a better union than one washing vacuum cleaner ... but this my IMHO ...

PySy - we have a topic on steam generators - read it also ...
mowgli
Anyuta, why exactly Körcher?
Arbena
Quote: Jefry

I also looked at Dyson carefully when choosing. As for me, besides the price, it also has disadvantages. I especially did not like the fact that the cyclones, which are responsible for fine cleaning, are inside the case. And any, even the most super-duper filter, which is not cleaned, after a while itself becomes a source of pollution.
Dyson filters need to be flushed, each model shows an approximate frequency. And cyclones do not need to be washed, and why? We've had Dyson for a long time, it didn't even occur to us.
* Anyuta *
Quote: mowgli

Anyuta, why exactly Körcher?

just because Körcher is Körcher ... just like a Mercedes is a Mercedes ... That is, I want to say that the company is directly engaged in the manufacture of professional cleaning equipment, and not that some (no offense to the owners of washing Zelmer vacuum cleaner) - blenders and vacuum cleaners are also made ... But ... again, I repeat - this is my IMHO ...: pardon: but in general I draw the appropriate conclusions from the messages that the Karcher owners leave in the topic about PG ...

but what I found about Körcher ...

Kärcher manufactures household appliances for indoor and outdoor cleaning, garden equipment, as well as professional equipment.The company produces many household appliances for mass consumption, such as a Karcher vacuum cleaner, pumps, steam cleaners, floor polishers, sweepers, ironing systems, electric brooms, windshield wipers and others. Such products are in great demand among the population, so you can buy Karcher at any home appliance store. The products of this company make life easier for many people and businesses.

Read more: 🔗

svbone
Quote: * Annie *

just because Körcher is Körcher ... just like a Mercedes is a Mercedes ... That is, I want to say that the company is directly engaged in the manufacture of professional cleaning equipment

I agree to all 100 !!!
I first bought a Karcher steam cleaner, which I am still very happy with. When the vacuum cleaner broke down, there was no question about the brand - only Karcher. Powerful, efficiently removes (by the way, bought for the "Birthday Discount"). A friend bought after me. She also praises a lot, now she is aiming at the same steam cleaner.
svbone
Yes, I have a vacuum cleaner with an aquafilter. Since a cat and a dog at home are very important to me (dust is not distilled in the air). You should have seen what kind of byaka he collects and in what quantities, especially at first, apparently, the old vacuum cleaner did a poor job with its main duties.
helenka3
Quote: svbone

I agree to all 100 !!!
I first bought a Karcher steam cleaner, which I am still very happy with. When the vacuum cleaner broke down, there was no question about the brand - only Karcher. Powerful, efficiently removes (by the way, bought for the "Birthday Discount"). A friend bought after me. She also praises a lot, now she is aiming at the same steam cleaner.

What is your steam cleaner model?
helenka3
Quote: Levreta

Please advise who knows. My husband and I decided to buy a new vacuum cleaner. I want a detergent. I've seen enough ads about Thomas. I went online and watched Thomas Twin. It seems to fit both in price and in functions. Are they generally good vacuum cleaners? And I also looked at the model of Westphalia. They seem to be similar, but Westphalia is more expensive. Which to choose?

Also drained all brains with a choice of detergent. I choose between Zelmer 919 and Thomas Westphalia. While the score is in favor of Thomas. Twin HT and Westphalia differ only in the presence of a turbo brush in Westphalia. They seem to be praising them.
helenka3
Quote: Diana *

Perhaps I agree, the old Thomas models were big and maybe not the same as the new ones. For example, Twin was not particularly suitable for me because of the appearance. I can't say anything about dry cleaning. I have Westphalia and dry cleaning is great.

As I understand it, you are happy with Westphalia?
Levreta
Quote: * Annie *

Then all the same, I would advise you to watch the Körcher line ... and more .. consider the Steam generator, as one of the carpet cleaning units .. maybe a good vacuum cleaner + steam generator (the same Körcher) = a better union than one washing vacuum cleaner ... but this my IMHO ...

PySy - we have a topic on steam generators - read it also ...
I watched Karcher and Zelmer and Vaksy and Tomasy. I lean more towards the latter. Value for money.
Diana*
Quote: helenka3

As I understand it, you are happy with Westphalia?
Yes, I'm very happy.
* Anyuta *
Quote: Levreta

I watched both Karchers and Zelmers and Vaksy and Tomasy. I lean more towards the latter. Value for money.

To really match how you say
Quote: Levreta
Value for money.
look more at filter prices for each model of vacuum cleaners and the frequency of their change .. I will not say for other models, but in Thomas you need to change filters about once every 3-4 months, that is, 3-4 times a year, and you will have to change the first filter after about 3-5 cleanings ... That is, add "annual maintenance" to the price of the vacuum cleaner .... AND GOOD LUCK IN YOUR CHOICE ....
Levreta
Quote: * Annie *

To really match how you speak look at filter prices for each model of vacuum cleaners and the frequency of their change .. I will not say for other models, but in Thomas it is necessary to change the filters about once every 3-4 months, i.e.3-4 times a year, and you will have to change the first filter after about 3-5 cleanings ... That is, add "annual maintenance" to the price of the vacuum cleaner .... AND GOOD LUCK IN CHOICE ....
I was interested in this issue. Filters need to be changed once a year approximately, and they cost from 500 to 1000 rubles per set. It's inexpensive once a year. I am not worried about the frequent replacement of filters and their cost, but the quality of cleaning the premises.
Aunt Besya
A question to the owners of Dyson vacuum cleaners:
I was already about to click on the confirmation of the order for the model vacuum cleaner DC 37 Origin Extra(it was recommended by the manager of the manufacturing company, taking into account my footage, the nature of the flooring, the presence of carpets and a pug on the farm), but I doubted .. There is no turbo brush in the kit and, especially "for pet owners", other models are recommended, like times with turbo and mini turbo brushes included. Do I need them? The manager said no, that this model with a standard set of brushes will cope with the tasks quite well, and turbo brushes have a very powerful mechanical effect on the surface, such that it can damage the surface of soft furniture and pull the pile out of the carpet.
Guys who use it (Chuchelka, you have like Dyson for many years), order me a separate mini-turbo for every fireman for this model (or a full turbo), take a model with a turbo package or trust the manager? Why am I asking - the difference in price is noticeable if it is not in demand, no matter how practical. (The gill wakes up) On the other hand, it is unprofitable for me to buy small things separately, painfully expensive delivery turns out
svbone
Quote: Aunt Besya

Guys who use it (Chuchelka, you have like Dyson for many years), order me a separate mini-turbo for every fireman for this model (or a full turbo), take a model with a turbo package or trust the manager?

Elena, I don't have Dyson, but Karcher. Purchased with a turbo brush. At home, the dog is long-haired and the cat. Has hammered this turbo brush !!! Very hard to clean! I use a simple attachment. True, your dog is not long-haired ...
Levreta
Quote: Aunt Besya

A question to the owners of Dyson vacuum cleaners:
I was already about to click on the confirmation of the order for the model vacuum cleaner DC 37 Origin Extra(it was recommended by the manager of the manufacturing company, taking into account my footage, the nature of the flooring, the presence of carpets and a pug on the farm), but I doubted .. There is no turbo brush in the kit and, especially "for pet owners", other models are recommended, like times with turbo and mini turbo brushes included. Do I need them? The manager said no, that this model with a standard set of brushes will cope with the tasks quite well, and turbo brushes have a very powerful mechanical effect on the surface, such that it can damage the surface of soft furniture and pull the pile out of the carpet.
Guys who use it (Chuchelka, you have like Dyson for many years), order me a separate mini-turbo for every fireman for this model (or a full turbo), take a model with a turbo package or trust the manager? Why am I asking - the difference in price is noticeable if it is not in demand, no matter how practical. (The gill wakes up) On the other hand, it is unprofitable for me to buy small things separately, painfully expensive delivery turns out
Look at Thomas. Their turbo brush can be installed on any model and bought separately. They are standard and it costs a penny.
vatruska
I have a Dyson and an exotic cat in the kit ... Without a turbo brush, it cleans up quite well for itself, but I don't have a very large pile at the carpet, so I don't know ... But the turbo brush was in the old rovent - it just wound wool.
There is also wax (washing), also a good thing ... Was ... He does not have consumables at all (if in washing mode), but after 2 years of operation, something is clogged somewhere and now the solution is gushing. They fingered the brush, looked at the eyeliner and found nothing ... So now it is in the box as a stand for the cat.
When all this was bought in the house, in each room there was a carpet + paths in the corridors.Now there is only one carpet and linoleum, so a vertical vacuum cleaner would be enough ...
As for the washing thomas, there was not a very good design of the brush, which is why it quickly fails (as the sellers explained to me, then I was choosing between thomas and wax).
Aunt Besya
Quote: Levreta

Look at Thomas. Their turbo brush can be installed on any model and bought separately. They are standard and it costs a penny.
Why should I watch Thomas if I buy Dyson?
Thank you all, I realized that you can do without a turbo brush, but on occasion, buy it separately!
Arbena
Quote: Aunt Besya

Do I need them? The manager said no, that this model with a standard set of brushes will cope with the tasks quite well, and turbo brushes have a very powerful mechanical effect on the surface, such that it can damage the surface of soft furniture and pull the pile out of the carpet.
I do not have a turbo brush, the vacuum cleaner does quite well, however, and the carpet is not very fluffy. That the turbo brush pulls out something, I haven't heard from anyone, but on the other hand, I agree that
it is quite possible to do without a turbo brush, but on occasion, buy it separately!
mowgli
Quote: Aunt Besya

Why should I watch Thomas if I buy Dyson?
Thank you all, I realized that you can do without a turbo brush, but on occasion, buy it separately!
I have another expensive hyul vacuum cleaner. Nov I can't imagine what I would do without a turbo brush. I have short-haired dogs and only turbo collects this wool
Alenka212
If the conversation has already turned to turbo brushes, explain to me the principle of their operation. Is it electrically powered or does it rotate on the carpet? I saw a universal turbo brush on sale. I want to buy it to Thomas. It does not cope well with cat hair on a synthetic carpet. The carpet should be thrown out or replaced, but now I cannot do either one or the other. And the addition of carpet is planned.
Levreta
The turbo brush perfectly cleans any carpet surfaces, but only horizontal ones. Furniture, a car cannot be cleaned with it, alas. It is cumbersome and completely useless in narrow and tight spaces.
The principle is as follows - the built-in roller with bristles rotates quickly enough, dust and debris flies into the vacuum cleaner, hair is wrapped around the brush. A turbo brush is useful for long-pile carpets and in the presence of any carpets when there are animals in the house. A turbo brush will not spoil any carpets, a spinning roller with bristles is not capable of doing harm.
Alenka212
I cannot understand this principle and cannot: how this roller rotates. Is it the function of the vacuum cleaner to rotate it, or how? With an ordinary brush, my fluff rolls into lumps from whining on the carpet, and then it is sucked in (with my hand help).
mowgli
Quote: Alyonka212

I cannot understand this principle and cannot: how this roller rotates. Is it the function of the vacuum cleaner to rotate it, or how? With an ordinary brush, my fluff rolls into lumps from whining on the carpet, and then it is sucked in (with my hand help).
no, electricity pushes
Arbena
An electric brush works from electricity, and a turbo brush - from an air stream.
The turbo brush perfectly cleans any carpet surfaces, but only horizontal ones. Furniture, a car cannot be cleaned with it, alas. It is cumbersome and completely useless in narrow and tight spaces.
They clean both the car and the furniture.
I don’t know about the size, it depends on the width of the place that needs to be cleaned. Although some vacuum cleaners (for example, some model DC37) have a mini-turbo brush.
Alenka212
Quote: mowgli

no, electricity pushes
This is what was required to be proved. If you buy a universal, advertised, then it will not have an electric drive. and the fluff will be wound, etc. will be due, again, to my shouting on the carpet. Am I thinking right?
Arbena
Quote: Alyonka212

Am I thinking right?
Not sure
After all, the turbo brush moves not only due to wicking on the carpet, but also due to the air stream that is sucked into the vacuum cleaner during cleaning.
But when the vacuum cleaner is not turned on, the turbo brush will remove worse, since the debris will not be sucked in, but will collect inside the brush.

Universal brush - does this mean that it fits any vacuum cleaner?
mowgli
I don’t know I have a brush from electricity, and there it seems to be written in the nozzles-Turbo brush; the vacuum cleaner sucks in, the brush rolls by itself, the hair is wound on the brush, the hair is essentially easily brushed off
Admin
Quote: Arbena

Not sure
After all, the turbo brush moves not only due to wicking on the carpet, but also due to the air stream that is sucked into the vacuum cleaner during cleaning.
But when the vacuum cleaner is not turned on, the turbo brush will remove worse, since the debris will not be sucked in, but will collect inside the brush.

Universal brush - does this mean that it fits any vacuum cleaner?

You cheated in the explanations

If this is a normal vacuum cleaner, then the turbo brush has a large rotating roller on which small bristle brushes are attached in different directions, the coverage area is larger than that of a conventional brush. Turbo brush good comb out carpet rugs. Such a brush works when the vacuum cleaner is on.
Turbo brush on the inside / bottom side

Which vacuum cleaner to buy?

A universal brush is in the set of nozzles of any vacuum cleaner, and it means that it can be used to clean the carpet and the floor, sweep the walls, and so on ... each vacuum cleaner has its own universal brush in the set

Which vacuum cleaner to buy?
Sonadora
Girls, and also a vacuum cleaner, as practice has shown, has to be ... powerful. Just pay attention not to the power consumption, but to the suction power, it is indicated in bars.
Arbena
Why did I cheat?
Quote: Alyonka212

If you buy a universal, advertised, then it will not have an electric drive. and the fluff will be wound, etc. will be due, again, to my vzhikanya on the carpet. Am I thinking right?
Here, it seems to me, we are not talking about a universal brush, which is in the set of attachments, but about a turbo brush.
Leska
Mini turbo brush... Compatible with vacuum cleaner models:
Dyson series DC 05, DC 07, DC 08, DC 08T, DC 11, DC 15, DC 18, DC 19, DC 20, DC 22-23 (except motorhead), DC 25, DC 26, DC 29, DC 32, DC 37

Equipment:
mini turbo brush - 1, adapter - 1
Designed for cleaning animal hair, hair from upholstered furniture.
Has a valve that turns off the rotation of the bristle roller.
Conveniently disassembled and cleaned.
The top transparent cover allows you to determine when to clean the brush.
Which vacuum cleaner to buy?

Turbo brush
Which vacuum cleaner to buy?

I have an old man DC08T, how old (I will knock), but the strength of a young man. Turbo (s) cope equally well (I had both in the kit):
Nozzles included: basic floor / carpet nozzle; brush for hard surfaces; additional attachments (furniture, crevice, with nap) are attached to the hose; turbo brush; mini-turbo brush.

Look here for a small overview about the attachments:
Admin
I now have a Dyson 25 with vertical parking, with a set of different attachments,

Which vacuum cleaner to buy?

Which vacuum cleaner to buy?

- turbo brush from the inside

Which vacuum cleaner to buy?

including a turbo brush. E I also really like the attachments:
- brush for removing dust from tall cabinets, no need to stand on a ladder, the brush rotates in different positions

Which vacuum cleaner to buy?

Which vacuum cleaner to buy?

- a soft hair brush, for removing dust from furniture, I only use it, it removes dust well from everywhere, walls, glass, shelves, and so on ... you can not use a rag

Which vacuum cleaner to buy?

I'm very happy with the vacuum cleaner
Power is great, cleans perfectly!
Vertical parking, takes up little space, stands in the toilet.
A narrow vacuum cleaner, vertical allows you to use it both as a vacuum cleaner with attachments for large cleaning, and as a regular broom for quick cleaning, which I often do
Aunt Besya
So I thought, thought, and I ordered separately such a small turbo, as Leska showed Somewhere along the way, my Dyson now, we are waiting
Leska
Quote: Aunt Besya

So I thought, I thought, and I ordered separately such a small turbo
Aunt Besya, did the right thing. The difference in cleaning is only a few minutes, but it saves the place. A soft hair brush (for removing dust from furniture, ceilings, computers and keyboard, etc. - cool) do you come with a vacuum cleaner?
Aunt Besya
I don’t know. Here is my package. Nozzles:
Combined nozzle
Multi-purpose floor-carpet nozzle
Upholstery nozzle
Large brush head with stiff bristles

There is?
Leska
Quote: Aunt Besya

I don’t know. Here is my package. Nozzles:
Combined nozzle
Multi-purpose floor-carpet nozzle
Upholstery nozzle
Large brush head with stiff bristles

There is?

She Soft Dusting - Nozzle for delicate cleaning of equipment: 🔗
Aunt Besya
Well, then you have to buy in addition over time!
Alenka212
I found a description:
"The universal turbo brush for cleaning any wool is suitable for all types of vacuum cleaners.

In a turbo brush the cylindrical roller rotates under the action of the air flow, and stiff bristles, fixed on the roller, effectively "comb out" wool and debris entangled in the carpet. You can also use the brush to clean the floor. Conventional attachments can scratch a smooth surface. The rotating fleece of the turbo brush gently sweeps dust into the inlet of the nozzle, leaving no scratches on the floor. Turbo brush with tube diameter from 32 to 35 mm. "

My problem is that initially Thomas was not equipped with turbo brushes. So I want to pick him up. Upgrade.
mowgli
I looked everywhere, something with the Dyson prices did not figure out ... above 20?
Arbena
Yes, the average price for dysons is about 20-22 thousand, I've seen such calculations.
The price is rather big, but my opinion is that it justifies itself.
Battery and DC29 are cheaper, there are also quite expensive ones.

But I have not come across any assurances that the more expensive are of better quality, most often it is about additional features and attachments, and the quality is about the same for everyone.
Admin
Quote: Arbena


But I have not come across any assurances that the more expensive are of better quality, most often it is about additional features and attachments, and the quality is about the same for everyone.

I did not look for assurances anywhere, I was looking for a strong, lightweight vacuum cleaner with vertical parking (it takes up little space, always at hand, you can put it vertically in any convenient place) to work like a broom (so as not to produce additional devices and look again for them space, which is always not enough), and additional features (brushes for cabinets, a soft brush for wooden furniture instead of rags, extension cords for brushes, turbo, broom-universal, brush for bed, sofas), collecting garbage in a flask (quickly shaken out, quickly inserted in place), high-quality thick filter, and easy operation. Quick switch for working with two nozzles at once: turbo and regular for the floor, which allows you to clean carpets and sweep the floor in one go, depending on where and what surface meets during cleaning. And the floor nozzle can always be attached to the vacuum cleaner, which is very convenient for changing them during cleaning.
All this I found in Dyson 25 models.

I've been playing with him for 1.5 years now - the flight is normal! Strong, comfortable, no dust on the sides
Arbena
Quote: Admin

I haven't looked anywhere for assurances
“I didn’t look for it” and “I didn’t meet” are different things.
When we were deciding whether to buy (for a very long time), the question of whether it was necessary to buy more expensive and better arose.
We bought a relatively inexpensive one for those times, and did not regret it a bit.
And recently we also bought a battery pack, so they began to use the usual much less often.
Admin
Quote: Arbena

“I didn’t look for it” and “I didn’t meet” are different things.

I'm glad for your actions!
My vacuum cleaner completely suits me, according to all characteristics, but they don't look for good from good

Let the description of Dyson 25 remain, perhaps someone will be interested in this device, sometimes we collect a bunch of different devices and devices, which we then try to stuff around the apartment, and then we complain about the lack of space and impracticality of the devices - and if the money spent is added up, the cost of my Dyson will be below all the bells and whistles purchased that you don't want to use. I came to this conclusion a long time ago (on my own!), Which is why I didn't look for opinions - I was looking for a normal vacuum cleaner that would completely suit me
mowgli
I still have a question, I looked, Dysons 25 models are also different. This is true? or I just couldn't figure it out
Arbena
Quote: Admin

I was looking for a normal vacuum cleaner that would completely suit me
I'm glad for you too
We looked for and bought a cylindrical one, for some reason we didn't like the vertical ones.
And now I look, they are so cute.

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