win-tat
Tumanchik
Quote: tortoezhka

Tinochka thanks a lot !!! I'll go to the store tomorrow to look. If not, I will order to bring it.
Lenochka, sorry, did you buy Hephaestus? share information please.
Tumanchik
Quote: Teie

Hello everybody! Does anyone have a HANSA gas stove? To be more precise, the FCGX 53021 model. I just can't find at least some kind of review about it !!! Guys, respond !!! Thank you!

sorry, what information did you find?
cake machine
Quote: tumanofaaaa

Lenochka, sorry, did you buy Hephaestus? share information please.
Yes, I bought a Hephaestus stove, and I do not regret it. I like. The stove is large and spacious. It keeps the temperature well. For me, the most important test for her was baked Easter cakes. The stove coped with this exam :-) Everything turned out as it should. I really like the grill, I bake some dishes to a crust and began to cook awesome baked rolls. The only top coating is glass-ceramic. Well, I have not yet been able to find a suitable detergent. Divorces remain. This is what I think
Tumanchik
You have 50x57x85 cm. Damn, I need 60.
Teillet
tumanofaaaa, my Hansa FCGW 53021 is also 50cm. And such as you need, that is, 60 cm is Hansa FCGW 53020 (50x85x60). only it is all made of stainless steel. And the characteristics are all like mine
taty
Quote: Angora

Eh, I do not lose hope that there are owners of Boshevsky gas ovens))) First of all, the moment of determining the temperature is of interest. Again, for comparison, Hephaestus has either a thermometer on glass or a thermostat.
Probably already late, but I'll write:
I liked the Boshevsky gas oven, only I have to increase the baking time compared to hefest, or you can (in theory) remove the insert from the bottom of the oven, BUT - at your own peril and risk, because the instructions do not recommend this.
It (insert) for German designers is not simple, double with ducts for hot air, because the bottom does not burn, but the total baking time increases.
The temperature is 20C lower than that indicated on the panel, measured with a thermometer from Lily)), at the very door.
Maybe the gas is of such low quality. About the thermostat - I did not understand, it certainly is)) there is no thermometer on the glass.
If I am not mistaken, then the Bosch has only two models of the gas oven, in the stoves the combustion is greater, the Bosch has only a deep baking sheet and a grate as standard.

ps I was also pleased with the former Hephaestus, he worked for many years,
the only thing that was badly adjusted was the gas shut-off sensor, it was necessary to hold the button for a long time, and there were no people willing to adjust it)))
But in bosh, the quality of the enamel and the design of the handles are better,
you can safely clean the enamel with a metallized sponge.
Angora
taty, Thank you! Today I looked at thermometers for the oven. Apparently, we must take it. Based on a new oven. ))
Taia
Quote: taty
The temperature is 20C lower than that indicated on the panel, measured with a thermometer from Lily)), at the very door.
I have a Bosch stove: the top is gas - with an electric oven and also lies at 20C.
taty
Quote: Angora

taty, Thank you! Today I looked at thermometers for the oven. Apparently, we must take it. Based on a new oven. ))
Angora,
It's my pleasure
A thermometer is a useful thing), as soon as possible you will please yourself with a new oven.
To be honest, I also liked the Gorene stoves, despite the different things that are written in the internet, but the boys chose Bosch.))
taty
Quote: Taia

I have a Bosch stove: the top is gas - with an electric oven and also lies at 20C.
Taia, maybe we have such thermometers))))

In an electric oven, convection attracts, some gas ovens are already equipped with a fan, such electric suites are assembled in Romania.
Taia
I bought a Teskomovsky thermometer for the oven and at first I was upset, I thought that he was lying.But then they rechecked with an electronic thermometer - it showed the same temperature
But I suspected before that the oven did not give out the set temperature. Now I just put on 20C more and that's it, it bakes well.
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Quote: tumanofaaaa

You have 50x57x85 cm. Damn, I need 60.
It was just that the store did not have 60t Yab wanted it too, but I'm quite happy with this too
Loksa
I really need a gas stove with a gas oven measuring 50 * 50, a disaster, I can't persuade to buy 50-60, a very meager choice. Have a good user experience? Moreau plate is 50 * 50 or Brazilian plate (Dory seems to be called)
alfa20
I have a MORA (50x60 oven itself). I like.
Loksa
alfa20, I need 50 * 50, such as you have I saw and read reviews, but Mlyn, THEY don't want to play for furniture!
alfa20
Here .... After all, the oven will probably be smaller too.
Loksa
alfa20, yes less! Itself is upset, but our stove has already finished, I use it to destroy furniture.
What are the Simfer cookers? Somebody knows?
Loksa
I choose from three options, maybe who are they familiar with: ardo KA 540 G6 or VEKO G 41111G? And also Zanussi 921081 W! Write please!
Sapphire
Quote: alfa20

I have a MORA (50x60 oven itself). I like.
And I had MORA. The oven bakes gorgeous, my bottom has not just an iron sheet, but a thick one. The bottom does not burn and bakes evenly. Now I have a gas top, electrical bottom.
Loksa
Sapphire, Mora does not fit me in size, I have already learned the rating and would have ordered it. But there is no Mora 50 * 50
Crochet
Quote: Sapphire
The bottom does not burn and bakes evenly

That's my smart girl also bakes ...

True, I have it far from small: overall dimensions (h / w / d), mm: 850/600/600

I love her very much !!!

Even though she is a liar, the temperature is 20 grams. gives out more than stated ...
Loksa
Girls are Special, huh? I need to shove the baby into a plate, and you are with your dimensions! century has disappeared, there are two options left to choose Zanusi and Ardo? There are few reviews for small slabs. Zanussi write the maximum oven 270 degrees, but do not write ardo, I will call now. I think we need to take the temperature of the oven high for reasons: if it keeps a large one, then it won't skip a lower one.
Crochet
Quote: Loksa
I think I need to take the oven temperature high

I am in favor with both paws and tail, Oksan !!!
olgalapt
If you take a gas stove, then you need either Combustion or BOSCH, but in general I recommend taking over either gas or electric, and the oven 🔗 exactly electric, because gas bakes very badly. Good firms TEKA, NEF, SMEG, KORTING. The brands are of course unknown, but very high quality, and the price is not cheap for them.
win-tat
Quote: olgalapt

gas ones bake very badly
I do not agree, I have gas and top and bottom AEG, bakes well, evenly, nothing burns!
Eugene
I can't choose between a gas hob + electric oven and a free-standing combination hob. The free-standing stove has very conveniently located switches - at the bottom, they do not interfere, and the distance between the combs is greater.
And on a built-in surface and less space, and switches get in the way.
Advise where to stop.
Pavlova
Please, who knows, help, tell me !!! I am terrified! My husband bought an apartment in a house with individual gas heating. According to the terms of the DS agreement, we must independently purchase a gas stove with gas control. We knew about this condition in advance, calmly chose a gas panel, bought it, put it off. Three-burner panel. Now a representative of the developer is calling, informs that the time has come to install the stove, asks to purchase and install. Four-burner !!! But if I don't need a four-burner? I have lived more than half of my life in apartments with 3-burner stoves, everything suits me ... The lady says that this is the condition of Gorgaz. Maybe there are competent people who will tell you how competent Gorgaz is in terms of limiting the rights of apartment owners in choosing the number of burners to be installed? In the contract with the developer sounded "gas stove with gas control", there is not even a hint of the number of burners ...
Creamy
I know for sure that in Soviet times there was a clear link between the number of gas burners and the volume of the kitchen. It is precisely with the small cubic capacity of the kitchen of my old apartment on a 4-ring stove, one burner was muted. Then, with the help of a privately invited gas worker, I restored the 4th burner on the stove without permission. And you have a normal kitchen, and nothing less. It's just that gas workers are preparing one project of a stove with 4 burners for all apartments. Why would they redraw to please some kind of mistress!
Taia
Buy stove b. at. for a penny and install it as a diversion. And then install what you need.
Pavlova
Creamy, yes, the kitchen is large, in a single room - 13 squares ... that is, there is no reasonable explanation for such a restriction ... Yes, that lady said something about an already finished project for a 4-burner stove. Although, if they don't have a project, is this my problem? But ... okay, we are already used to adjusting for selfish purposes ... we dance once to their tune, then we dance to ours ...
Taia, Thank you! Apparently, this is the only way out.
Here is about b. at. - for this house there is a categorical requirement for gas-controlled devices, and used ones, as a rule, are not burdened with this function ... My sister was going to buy a gas panel from me, namely for 4 burners, I think to come to an agreement with her and put her stove in her husband's apartment for now , and then, having settled in, he will change to his ... and by this time the sister will make herself a new kitchen and receive a stove ...
Thanks again!
Taia
Quote: T.A.
used, as a rule, this function is not burdened

My old gas. the Brest stove was 20 years old, but it already contained gas. the control
Pavlova
Taia, oh ... what a joy, thanks! If the option with my sister does not help, I will look.
shade
Peace be with you bakers!

T. A. -
COMPLETE NONSENSE
you yourself mentioned --- "gas stove with gas control", there is not even a hint of the number of burners

and gas control is the same by the ears. The developer at your expense makes his life easier

Let them show you at least one law on the basis of which they present their demands.

py sy
Where do you live

vatruska
Tatyana, I also think that you need to put something that you personally like and fits into the apartment and budget, and if they come running over, take out a notebook with a pen and naively ask - what is the resolution? I'm going to Gorgaz ... the administration ... I'll call Putin and ask ...
On our city forum, they even posted a link to a site where you can complain about a communal apartment and other joys - judging by the responses, there is an effect, and you can even say instant ...
shade
Peace be with you bakers!
YES, in the end, I HAVE NO MONEY FOR 4 x BURNER / for three burners and then saved up for a whole year \
Well, if you want a combi or whatever electrics like
Pavlova
shade, Thank you. I understand this intellectually, but the gas workers apparently consider themselves omnipotent ... now I have calmed down, thought it over, tomorrow I really will go to ask for documents on the basis of which they force me to make purchases that I do not need ... And I live in Chuvashia, in Novocheboksarsk ... thanks for the sober reasoning. And yes ... I really don't have money for a four-burner stove, all the money has already been laid out for a year in advance ... but for the sake of their pleasure I am not going to go to the porch ...
vatruska, and thank you for the script, I will definitely use it ...
shade
Peace be with you bakers!
Tatyana--
Well, we argue correctly - that means there is a grain of reason
You know, I could still understand if you were forced to buy stoves with fewer burners. Well, like - the gas pressure is weak for everyone, let's reduce the load on the pipe.
Although this is also bullshit.
vatruska
Tatiana, look here
http: *** //
I found an even clearer document, but the link is just frantic in terms of volume, so I'll try to insert it, it downloads a document with a link to the normative, and so apparently we all violate the regulations in unison - for a 4-burner stove an area of ​​at least 18 m2 is needed, and I have 7 ...

🔗

shade
Peace be with you bakers!
and we have 5 m2 in Khrushchev
Piano
Yeah, and when they changed a 2-burner stove for 4-conf Gorenie in Khrushchev, they strictly told me to use the oven with the window open.
Taia
Quote: vatruska
if they run over, take out a notebook with a pen and naively ask - what is the resolution? I'm going to Gorgaz ... the administration ... I'll call Putin and ask ...


Right. Well done.
shade
you bakers!
in my memory \ well, since 70 \ this is the 4th stove with us - and so all were 4 burners.
Pavlova
vatruska, thank you, but these are Belarusian standards ... tomorrow I'll sit down on the phone, talk to whoever I need, then I'll think further ... today I talked to my sister (she works in a furniture company), she asked her gas engineer who turns on the gas in all the kitchens they installed, he said that the gas workers did not have the right to set requirements for the number of burners ... in general, how everything will be resolved - I will report ... what if the experience is useful to someone ...
vatruska
I see ... I had some kind of latent thought ...
Pavlova
vatruska, thanks anyway for your help and support! I asked one knowledgeable friend at the local forum, he said that garbage, they will put it, will not go anywhere. And he added: they will start to resist - take the stove from the neighbors for five minutes, show them, and that's it. And then put your own ... but he says that first you need to try to come to an agreement ... I, all such a pionErka, never suspected the existence of a second bottom in the word "agree", and only the last year or two it dawned on me that it means in the language of adults ...
vatruska
And when we changed the stove, we did not call anyone, although I, as a law-abiding citizen, was eager to call Gorgaz, but my parents said "huh!" back, and this year they came with a check ... I almost moved, imagining how they would solder a fine ... But not a fig - they twisted the handles, checked the connection points, put a tick and goodbye ... So don't worry - everything will be settled ...
Tumanchik
Girls thank you all for the advice. I suffered for a long time with a choice
1.a stove or panel with a spirit cabinet - a Khrushchev with tension - did not dare (
2. Hephaestus (domestic) or another model (I decided my own - if something is faster to resolve issues, although I always do not trust my manufacturer)
3. I really wanted a stainless steel - but you will be tortured to scrub it.
In short, I bought this beauty 60 * 60 * 85
Choosing a gas stove GEFEST 6100-03 K
And very delighted! Cooking perfectly - the timer is the right thing! VERY PRACTICAL! The only thing is that there is no thermometer, the temperature is set by machines and it seems to me that it is lying. It bakes beautifully. I don't have HP, so my oven bakes bread beautifully without it. I advise everyone! For not much money, a good option. I have been using it for six months already.
Loksa
We live in extreme conditions! T. A., you can take the expert's opinion that the stove is of the freestanding type or built-in with gas control And so on, everything that is specified in the contract. And you can also look for violations in the apartment, according to the dog. suddenly they did something unfinished or built wrong. I remember, I was indignant - they transferred extra risers to me! There should have been two on the plan, and I'm looking at four of them.
Taia
tumanofaaaa, we have Hephaestus in almost the same price as, for example, Bosch.

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