marinastom
Quote: Wit

Yes, Natasha, there are no cats, but soon they will. And the muzzle, it seems kind and well-fed. Not enough for anyone yet. But before there was such an avatar:
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And in childhood I was like this
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Our cat does not finish speaking a little, he introduced himself to us in a man's guise. I just don’t remember, Vital, did you give us such a gift on March 8th?
marinastom
Quote: Waist

The Irish are also very fond of Banana Bread. I have a recipe in the instructions, I'll bake it, I'll come to tell you. It is served with tea, as a dessert. Straight the most interesting.
Natasha, be sure to show it later and tell. Of course, if you like it.
Waist
Marin, I'll tell you anyway, everyone has different tastes
Wit
Quote: marinastom

Our cat does not finish speaking a little, he introduced himself to us in a man's guise. I just don’t remember, Vital, did you give us such a gift on March 8th?
marinastom
Nope, Vital, I meant that you were personally at the avka. There, of course, it was shallow, but our men are no worse than those there. And the fact that they are ours, but under the side ...
Oh, Rina will scold us again for gagging. Sorry, dear, we are all for life, not only about bread ...
Wit
marinastom
Quote: Wit

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Is this this one? Duc with her I have never appeared here.
God, he's also a pilot. I have been with aviation since birth, only my dad (already in reserve), was an engineer for electronic equipment.
PS. And Avka was with you. Like, in a white shirt, or what?
Wit
Quote: marinastom


PS. And Avka was with you. Like, in a white shirt, or what?

You then dreamed about it. I did not put other avoks. Here!
Rina
oh well ... I myself just fell into reading ladies' novels about the beautiful Lyuboff ...
Wit
Quote: Rina

oh well ... I myself just fell into reading ladies' novels about the beautiful Lyuboff ...
🔗
marinastom
Quote: Wit

If not this one, then you dreamed. Only this is also a BP
Well, I don't play like that. I’m saying, Avka is small, I didn’t recognize BP.
And still, our best! Although, with one eye I can look at strangers. Hugh Jackman, for example.
Quote: Rina

oh well ... I myself just fell into reading ladies' novels about the beautiful Lyuboff ...
Ah, lyuboff, asisay ...
PS. Rina, you are lovely!
Wit
Quote: marinastom

God, he's also a pilot. I have been with aviation since birth, only my dad (already in reserve), was an electronic radio engineer.
PS. And Avka was with you. Like, in a white shirt, or what?
Erase, pzhalsta, the plane.
marinastom
Quote: Wit

Erase, pzhalsta, the plane.
Your order has been carried out. It's a pity...
Wit
Quote: marinastom

Your order has been carried out. It's a pity...
🔗
Waist
Quote: Wit

Erase, pzhalsta, the plane.
Quote: marinastom

Your order has been carried out. It's a pity...
Come on, Marin, we have already seen everything And knows how to fly, and bakes bread ...
Playful
Quote: Waist

Yes, the Chinese also know how to do well and produce a lot of worthy things there, and many goods benefit from the quality of others, produced in the same Germany or England. But nevertheless, the quality of technology made in China is different from the quality of the same technology made in Japan. Alas.
Little is being produced in Japan itself. Half a year ago I came from there with 40 kg of shopping, of which the labels are "made in Japan" at most half. In 2003, there were much more purely Japanese goods in my suitcase. There are goods made in China FOR THE DOMESTIC MARKET OF JAPAN, so they do not differ in quality from Japanese ones, because they are made for themselves and undergo strict control. Even my car is 95% Japanese, because the strings are made in China
sazalexter
As a rule, Panasonic builds 1-2 factories for the production of one type of equipment, judging by the small world demand for HP, we can say there is only one factory and it is in China
Irina86
Hello everybody! Advice is urgently needed! We went to choose a bread maker. the display cases are models with peeled key panels. When asked why this is happening, they said that many Panasonic panels peel off from the high temperature (((I'm terribly upset, do they really come off with time? Please tell me. I'm afraid now to take Panasonic, I read about others (((
Wit
They lie !!! They are trying to sell you a marriage!
I saw Standing in the window in the sun in the heat. Put that manager in there instead of a bread machine and see what comes off. If he doesn't die. "Give" him a scornful look and take it from another store.
Irina86
No, marriage is not sold. On the contrary, they discouraged ((But others did not snatch))
Wit
Quote: Irina86

said that many Panasonic from the high temperature these panels come off
This is the first time I've heard about such a glitch. Are you from the Moscow region.? If yes, then here is a link for service centers: 🔗
Call anyone you like. And be sure to share the result.

And the managers will cut that HP by three thousand, they will sell it to friends, in the SC socket in 5 minutes. will be glued for 100 rubles. and ... Although the brains could welt in the sun.
Good luck!
Wit
Quote: Irina86

No, marriage is not sold. On the contrary, they discouraged ((But others did not sniff))
Here is everything about breakdowns in Panasonic HP since 2007. 61 pages. Will you find there about peeling panels? My socket is always cold or slightly warm. Hot sides of the HP case.
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=445.0
Elena 65
I have an email. the panel was glued with a protective film, I immediately removed it, before the start of operation - is this about it in the messages above ???
Waist
Flax, probably all the same about the panel itself. From heating, and in the wind the temperature is several times higher than on the street, the glue on which this very panel is glued will soften, and from the same heating, the panel itself can deform, twist.

In reality, CP is never exposed to such outside temperatures. The panel is hardly warm even in the longest baking mode. Panasonic will not make such a mistake. The reason for the peeling is obvious - improper storage, extreme for HP.
Elena 65
I agree, my panel on a large calculator peeled off after lying on the windowsill for a week in the current sun. The glue became thin and the panel bent a little, so the panel moved away.
Waist
And the saddest thing is that you cannot return to its original appearance and condition. Be careful: handle and store things carefully
Irina86
No, not a protective film, but a socket. I tried to pick it up, it really lifts up easily, it's not hot in the store (((this is a 2500 model).
In general, we did not buy Panasonic ((Initially they ordered it in the online store, there was no 2501, but 2502 1 and that with a marriage. When there will be new ones it is not known. In other stores they either do not exist, or 1-2 pieces and also where there are scratches. .. may be returnable ((In chain stores, where they are defective, and where there are only display cases (((Also in a deplorable state ((

Purchased Philips. I hope it will not disappoint, while I have 2 weeks to test.

In disorder ((
Irina86
Quote: Wit

Here is everything about breakdowns in Panasonic HP since 2007. 61 pages. Will you find there about peeling panels? My socket is always cold or slightly warm. Hot sides of the HP case.
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=445.0
yes, I read ((
irman
Irina, happy birthday! 🔗 🔗
Irina86
Thank you very much!!!
Breezzze
Dear owners of SD-2500 and SD-2501. Tell me - are the motor power of these stoves the same?
I plan to bake rye (only rye flour) according to Vanya's recipe28. Before that, I baked in LG HB-1051 (including rye - it turned out - but I suffered pretty much while I got used to the stove) - the oil seal died and the bearing behind it. I will fix it, but then. The stove did not suit many and thought to order some kind of exotic UNOLD type or take a Panasonic tested and recommended by experienced bakers.
So, the fact that there is no rye program in 2500 does not bother. I was going to bake, combining anyway. No dispenser needed either.
In principle, I will order a shovel in the service or somewhere else.I only worry - all of a sudden the motor and drive in 2501 is more powerful, but 2500 is not designed.
Or maybe on the rye program - its own - a special kneading speed ...
Please tell me .. Thanks in advance!
p.s. 2500 there is an opportunity to buy for 4400 p. and found 2501 for 5600. Like 1200 rubles. difference, but the toad wakes up something ...
sazalexter
Breezzze The motor for these HPs is the same, if it does not change the memory of the order of real 100-120W, produced and developed by Panasonic itself, Panasonic has its own mixing algorithm and it is patented like almost everything in their bread maker
Wit
Quote: Breezzze

Dear owners of SD-2500 and SD-2501. Tell me - are the motor power of these stoves the same?
You asked a very good question, Breezzze... Somehow I didn’t think about it, because I don’t often bake pure rye. But I drew attention to the manual for the repair of HP Panasonic that I came across. I even tore it off, but then removed it from some fright. This manual is somewhere here. Type in the milestone pages in the search engine "Repair of Panasonic Bread Makers" and you will be where to roam. There are recommendations for the repair of certain glitches with a link to the recommended replacement of components and their full name. It only remains to compare. There is a block diagram of the device there and also indicating the name according to the catalog. ... That was a long time ago...
I think it will be easier to call the SC and ask directly!
And the price of the 2500th that you found is very attractive!
Good luck to you!

Sasha has already answered you! Now, as you wish, as you wish: check or ... TAKE ASAP FOR 4400 !!! Figs where you will find more for such a price !!!
Breezzze
Quote: Wit

And the price of the 2500th that you found is very attractive!
Good luck to you!
Sasha has already answered you! Now, as you wish, as you wish: check or ... TAKE ASAP FOR 4400 !!! Figs where you will find more for such a price !!!
Many thanks to you and Alexander!
Tomorrow I'll go buy 2500 !!!
Elena Bo
Quote: Breezzze

Tomorrow I'll go buy 2500 !!!
The right decision. If I had to buy now, I would have taken it.
MonaMur
Ordering a shovel, interfering with regimes, inventing something and adapting ... I do not understand such savings, because there is none, in my opinion. Choosing HP, I immediately decided that I needed a model, the most advanced at that time. I don’t even remember its exact price, but I know that it paid for itself with interest, not a single "failed" loaf, a minimum of time to get a guaranteed excellent result. I think that if you plan to buy equipment for a long time, then you need to buy at the limit of financial capabilities.
Elena Bo
The 2500 has enough modes for successful baking. And in order to bake good rye bread, you still have to intervene. And it is better to do the kneading in general on Pizza or Dumplings, transfer to molds and bake in the oven. Then it is a real tasty black bread. And no additional paddles are needed. Proven for years.
marinastom
Quote: Elena Bo

The 2500 has enough modes for successful baking. And in order to bake good rye bread, you still have to intervene. And it is better to do the kneading in general on Pizza or Dumplings, transfer to molds and bake in the oven. Then it is a real tasty black bread. And no additional paddles are needed. Proven for years.
and I, and I, and I also have opinions! Especially about rye with pastries in the oven.
MonaMur
And what kind of bread does Panasonic bake in the "Rye" mode? Is it really bad, tasteless, not real? I have not tried the oven in the oven yet, I have to do and compare.
marinastom
Quote: MonaMur

And what kind of bread does Panasonic bake in the "Rye" mode? Is it really bad, tasteless, not real? I have not tried the oven in the oven yet, I have to do and compare.
Sorry, don't throw your slippers. In HP, you can bake bread from rye flour. But he only LIKE! And in the oven it will be the same. Real rye - leavened. But only.
MonaMur
Well, then HP is not in the subject at all here
Elena Bo
How is it out of topic? And wheat? And the dough? And the batch? The bread maker will do all this without difficulty. For which we love her.
MonaMur
I'll clarify: wheat and dough for leaven HP will do it without my labor?
Elena Bo
Quote: MonaMur

I will clarify: wheat and dough for leaven HP will do without my labor?
Well, you won't be kneading anyway, with sourdough dough or yeast.
lega
Quote: MonaMur

And what kind of bread does Panasonic bake in the "Rye" mode? Is it really bad, tasteless, not real? I haven’t tried to bake in the oven yet;

Let's see the recipes in the instructions:
1) wheat flour - 225g, rye - 325g
2) wheat - 300g, rye - 260g
3) wheat - 225g, rye - 200g

These are the proportions for automatic modes. Breezzze is going to bake bread from 100% rye flour. It is possible to do this in HP, but not on an automatic program, but only by manually combining modes. Then why would he need expensive, sophisticated HP if it still does not satisfy his needs?

"not good, tasteless, not real?" - these are evaluative epithets, depends on personal taste. For some, very good. And another needs 100% rye flour, the density of the bread is different, the amount of acid is greater. Has the right to!!!
Elena Bo
Even if you take the same rye recipe and bake in a bread maker and in the oven, then the bread tastes better from the oven. I've always baked rye in the oven lately.
Wheat suits me perfectly from a bread machine.
Elena 65
Quote: MonaMur

Ordering a shovel, interfering with regimes, inventing something and adapting ... I do not understand such savings, because there is none, in my opinion. Choosing HP, I immediately decided that I needed a model, the most advanced at that time. I don’t even remember its exact price, but I know that it paid for itself with interest, not a single "failed" loaf, a minimum of time to get a guaranteed excellent result. I believe that if you plan to buy equipment for a long time, then you need to buy at the limit of financial capabilities.

Although I control the "kolobok" if possible, especially on wheat-rye. There is no constant quality of flour, and so I would not check the "bun"
I tried it with leaven (ready-made) and with "live" yeast. I returned to the SAF and somehow did not feel a big difference in comfort and taste. Truth in the oven did not bake, and for some reason does not pull. Although I like to "play with the dough" a little, but a little while for pleasure. For example, weave a pigtail from butter dough, which would be more beautiful.
MonaMur
Elena 65, I was waiting for your comment and it met my expectations. In "Rye" I remove the scapula after the last batch and increase the proofing time. In the oven I want to bake fr. baguettes, bread "brick" I will bake HP.
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My "Rye-Wheat with Garlic and Provencal Herbs".
marinastom
I also wanted to show my bread-loaves-baguettes, and then I thought, no, I won't. Someone has already seen. Those who have not seen, want to - find, do not want - is also his right.
And it's just great that you are all different, with your addictions, dislikes. I am very glad that you can listen to so many people with so many opinions, BUT about the same thing. Hurray to all of you, dear!
Lagri
And yesterday I kneaded dough for bread in Panasonic as according to the first recipe, only I had only 320 g of wheat 1st grade and I added 180 g of rye, and the rest was according to the recipe, but the yeast was pressed. The time was late and I put the dough in the refrigerator, and in the morning at 9 o'clock I took it out into the L7 form, which I then put in Panasonic. There she turned on the "Baking" mode for 10 seconds and turned it off (to make it warmer in the oven), then the dough rose and put on Baking for 1 hour. The dough stood overnight on a cold proofer so well, the bread tasted excellent. I enjoyed baking bread this way. I used to always put the dough on my morning buns like that, but now I tried to bake bread like that.

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