Lelka-Olya
WELL, NOTHING TO YOURSELF BREAD ... I HAVE NEVER GOT IT ... CLASS ... BER AT A NOTE
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Extra large croissant
Idea Bread maker Binatone BM-2169
This is after 20 minutes of proofing. I thought the lid would lift ...
It is possible to maintain the temperature (if it is cold in the kitchen, like mine) every 20 minutes, turn on mode 8 - "Bake" for 10-15 seconds.
After an hour, turn on baking on a medium (Medium) crust - temperature 180  for 60 minutes.
Here's a croissant came out
Bread maker Binatone BM-2169
Bread maker Binatone BM-2169

I didn't cut it - I broke off the barrel, as it should be according to the classic use
Bread maker Binatone BM-2169
The crumb is layered, the taste - ... was not in France, but the five-legged Soviet "bagel" - the fruit of the struggle against foreign names - I remember. So here he is!
Mudray
I baked sourdough bread in this bread maker, made a video, please, who is interested in watching this link 🔗

Lelka-Olya
Quote: Mudray

I baked sourdough bread in this bread maker, made a video, please, who is interested in watching this link 🔗
it turned out great ... took the video to the piggy bank
Mudray
Quote: Lelka-Olya

it turned out great ... took the video to the piggy bank
I want to add, so that there is no artistic crack, it is necessary to increase the proofing time 3 by 10 minutes and everything will be fine.
tabity
Quote: Mudray

I baked sourdough bread in this bread maker, made a video, please, who is interested in watching this link 🔗
And what is your leaven? Can be more?
Mudray
Quote: tabity


And what is your leaven? Can be more?

I have wheat rye. I grew it like this, 50% peeled rye flour and 50% 1st grade flour + 100 ml water. And I feed like this. I take out 50 g of the deferred sourdough, leave it to warm for 1 hour, then add 30% rye and 70% wheat flour of the 1st grade (or more precisely, 30 g of rye and 70 wheat) plus 100 ml of water, leave it for 4 hours, then the same the second time and again for 4 hours. After 8 hours, I get the sourdough, put 360 grams for baking, the rest in the refrigerator. That's all.
Lelka-Olya
Quote: Mudray

I want to add, so that there is no artistic crack, it is necessary to increase the proofing time 3 by 10 minutes and everything will be fine.
Thank you, I'll try today .... if I can post a photo report
Mudray
Quote: Lelka-Olya

Thank you, I'll try today .... if I can post a photo report

We are waiting for the report
Lelka-Olya
Quote: Mudray

We are waiting for the report
Did it, only reduced the proportions, the sourdough was not enough ... I had to make a small brick ... so the recipe was changed a little
160 g leaven
160 + 50 (in the process of the kolobok formation)
80gr. water
1 tbsp. a spoonful of sugar (better 1.5)
7gr. salt (next time I will add a little less tea, not salty)
1h l. milk powder
2h tablespoons of melted butter (as practice shows, baking on butter is more aromatic)
1h. L. BRAN DRY

THANKS FOR THE VIDEO AND FOR THE DETAILED RECIPE ... I HAVE NEVER USED A HOME BAKER, NOW I WILL KNOW WHAT AND HOW)))) THE BREAD AND TRUTH TASTE SUPER BETTER ... ... SUPER ... THANKS BKI)))
Lelka-Olya
Lelka-Olya
Quote: Lelka-Olya
THE ROOF OF THE BREAD BREAKED A LITTLE .... I WILL NEED TO FIND OUT ... ROMA MODERATOR SHOW THAT IT IS NECESSARY TO CORRECT.

Bread maker Binatone BM-2169
AnaMost
Good day!

I choose a bakery for myself and my parents (that is, I need 2 at once) ..
When choosing, somehow at once, my eye fell on this Binatosha - I liked it because of 2 buckets, volume, programming possibilities .. But having rummaged on the Internet, especially here, I found a similar oven, but in a stainless steel case - Gorenje BM1400E 🔗 (she also has a double: DaewooDBM-202 🔗), now I'm tormented - I can't choose ..

I would like to hear several answers about this oven - Binatone BM-2169 (compare + and -), since I did not find them in the descriptions:
1) does it really stink strongly of plastic, for how long (or always)?
2) who has been using her for more than a year, how does she feel?
3) Does it have a rubber gasket between the shaft and the bucket? they say that this gum shrinks under the temperature, and then liquids flow, the shoulder blades fly out ..
4) Can't you cook yogurt on it?
5) Is there a delayed start?
6) how does it knead, strong? Some people write that the dough does not mix well in a double mold.
7) what else can you tell us good and bad?

waiting for answers
Thank you in advance...

Mudray
Quote: Mudray

I baked sourdough bread in this bread maker, made a video, please, who is interested in watching this link 🔗
continuation here: 🔗

Recipe for two loaves
Mudray
Quote: AnaSamaya

Good day!

I choose a bakery for myself and my parents (that is, I need 2 at once) ..
When choosing, somehow at once, my eye fell on this Binatosha - I liked it because of 2 buckets, volume, programming possibilities .. But having rummaged on the Internet, especially here, I found a similar oven, but in a stainless steel case - Gorenje BM1400E 🔗 (she also has a double: DaewooDBM-202 🔗), now I'm tormented - I can't choose ..

I would like to hear several answers about this oven - Binatone BM-2169 (compare + and -), since I did not find them in the descriptions:
1) does it really stink strongly of plastic, for how long (or always)?
2) who has been using her for more than a year, how does she feel?
3) Does it have a rubber gasket between the shaft and the bucket? they say that this gum shrinks under the temperature, and then liquids flow, the shoulder blades fly out ..
4) Can't you cook yogurt on it?
5) Is there a delayed start?
6) how does it knead, strong? Some people write that the dough does not mix well in a double mold.
7) what else can you tell us good and bad?

waiting for answers
Thank you in advance...
The first two days of operation smells like plastic
Bakes well
Yogurt is not done
There is a delayed start
Kneads well in double mold
I don't know about the gasket
AnaMost
Mudray, thanks for the answer ..
By the way, I watched your video on YouTube. Good bread. : girl_dough: I also bake with my own sourdough, shop yeast is bad!

And about the stove - how long do you use it?
And the gasket, can you see if it is in the place where the torque shaft is joined at the bottom of the mold?
sazalexter
AnaMost, The oil seal is in all HP. But not everyone has it for a long time ...
sazalexter
AnaMost, I want to disappoint you in the sourdough on which you bake the same yeast as in the store + lactic acid bacteria and several types of other bacteria, which ones? Only microbiological research will tell you exactly.
AnaMost
sazalexter, well, I think you will not disappoint me ... - The difference is in bacteria and in the composition of everything else that is added to them ...
About the technology for the production of baker's yeast: (I don't think that the rest, dry, for example, are very different ...)
A very informative video about yeast, I advise everyone!
There are also a bunch of videos about
yeast ...

It's just a reason for everyone to think.

Better to do it yourself ... Moreover, it is very easy and problem-free to store and "revive" again.
Who cares, bread recipes with their own yeast and leaven:

1)

Recipe: 500 grams of flour (rye and wheat), 1 tsp of sugar, 1 glass of brine (any), 0.5 cups of water, salt to taste (i.e. salty brine) 150 grams of rye sourdough. Knead the dough, let rise and bake for 1 hour at 180-200 degrees.

Sourdough: DAY 1: For 100 g of water, take 100 g of flour, stir, you should get a mass like thick sour cream. Cover with a damp cloth and put in a warm place for fermentation, until small bubbles appear (about a day). DAY 2: The sourdough needs to be fed, add 100 g of flour and add water so that the consistency is like thick sour cream, cover it again and put it in a warm place for a day. DAY 3: On the surface of the leaven, not only bubbles have formed, but it has also grown in size, we feed it for the last time. And again in the warmth. When it doubles in size, it is ready, we divide it in half. The first half is your eternal leaven, and from the second half we bake bread.

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WHITE BREAD

Flour 2, 5 cups
Salt 1 tsp
Sugar 1 tbsp. l.
Vegetable oil 2 tbsp. l.
Water not boiled 1 glass (maybe a little less)
Sourdough 6-7 tbsp. l.
(Rye-wheat sourdough)

Pour the flour into a bowl + salt + sugar + grows. oil and rub with hands. Add the sourdough to this, stir slowly and gradually add water. Knead to make it stick out of your hands.We leave in the same bowl, cover with a linen or cotton towel and leave warm overnight (for a day). During this time, it should double. After that, grease the mold with vegetable oil, knead the dough a little and put it in the mold, it is better to leave the dough in the mold for another hour or two, it will still work. I turn on the oven to a minimum and immediately put on the bread. For about half an hour, as soon as it is browned, I turn it off and leave the bread in the oven to cool down (sometimes I open the oven).

Leaven:
take a liter jar
a glass of sifted rye flour (I read that sourdough grows no worse on any other flour.You can start sourdough on one flour and feed on another)
a glass of unboiled water

1 day.
Morning - Mix sifted flour (I did not sift) and water until thick sour cream. Mix with a wooden spoon or spatula. We cover the jar with linen or cotton cloth, fix it with an elastic band, insulate the jar with a towel and put it in a warm place (I put it near the battery)
Evening - We take out, mix, cover, wrap up, put in a warm place.

Day 2
Morning - We take out, mix, cover, wrap, in a warm place.
Evening - We feed - add flour (sifted) to the state of thick sour cream. Stir, cover, wrap, put in a warm place.

Day 3
Morning - We take out, mix, cover, wrap, in a warm place.
Evening - Add water 1/4 of the total volume of the sourdough and add flour to the state of thick sour cream. Stir, cover, wrap, put in a warm place.

4th and 5th day are the same as 3rd. On the 5th day, you can bake bread.

We store the finished starter in the refrigerator under a plastic lid with holes. We update it once a week, for this, take it out of the refrigerator 2 hours before feeding. So it is before kneading bread.

I bake bread every other day, for this I take the leaven out of the refrigerator a couple of hours before kneading the dough. After I took the sourdough from the jar for the bread, I add flour and water to the sourdough, that is, I feed it, stand for 5 minutes on the table and put it in the refrigerator until the next bread.
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HOP SQUARE AND BREAD

For starter culture we need:
3 tbsp. spoons of hop cones (our hop grows on the site, but I read that you can buy it at the pharmacy),
1 teaspoon honey
0.5 l of water,
some flour.

For the test you need:
4 tbsp. a spoonful of sourdough (the above portion is enough for you at least 7-8 baking runs, while the sourdough is stored in the refrigerator - I have already had two weeks, for example, it does not need to be fed with anything, and over time it raises the bread even better),
1 liter of water
flour (by eye, but not less than 1.5 kg),
1-2 tablespoons of vegetable oil without additives, unrefined,
1-2 pinches of salt
"additives": raisins, sesame seeds, seeds, poppy seeds, spices ... (whatever you come up with).

What's next?
Preparing the leaven. We take 0.5 liters of water (for a start, you can take half a portion, for a sample), bring to a boil, put 3 tbsp in boiling water. tablespoons of hop cones (it doesn't matter, dry or fresh). Boil on low heat for 15 minutes, then strain the broth, cool to 40 degrees, add a teaspoon of honey. After that, add flour, kneading to the consistency of thick sour cream, and place in a warm place for souring for a day or two (it is desirable that the sourdough ripens at a temperature of about 30 degrees). All this time we do not touch the leaven, we do not interfere, we just observe - it will rise 1.5-2 times, bubbles will appear. This means that she is ready. We remove the leaven from the heat and put it in a cold place. In the refrigerator, my starter culture has been stored in a glass jar with a cloth "lid" for two weeks. Over time, it acquires a harsh smell, but this does not affect the preparation of bread. Stir the starter culture before use. They write that the sourdough is suitable not only for bread, but also for any bakery products, but I have not tried it.

Cooking dough. The dough is kneaded in an enamel bowl. We take 4 tbsp. spoons of ready-made sourdough, 200 ml of warm water, knead with flour (I always add the bran in half with white flour) until it becomes thick sour cream.You can whisper good words to the water, wishes of health to all people and your relatives - this will have a beneficial effect on the dough. Wrap the dough, put it in heat for 6 hours or more (maybe overnight) so that it rises.

Cooking the dough. We take the dough that came up, add the remaining 800 ml of warm water, mix, add flour to the consistency of thick sour cream (again with bran) and again put it in the heat for 4 hours or more (I sometimes leave it overnight too). The dough should roughly double. After standing and fermenting the dough, add more flour and knead with the addition of 1-2 tbsp. tablespoons of natural vegetable oil without additives until a soft dough. We also add salt, spices and our "fillers". The last time we put the dough in heat for 40-60 minutes to rise. After that we put it in a mold greased with vegetable oil, and finally we put it in the oven or oven! Bake at 175-200 degrees for about 60 minutes. Do not cut as soon as it is baked, let cool.
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I made all the leavens - specific for hops, with a bitter taste, the second was dreary, the first for me was just right - I stopped on it.
When I'm going to bake, I pour out all the sourdough (about a liter), add about a liter of water, flour - a handful of rye flour, 2 handfuls of oatmeal, a handful of yak, the rest of wheat flour, bring it to the consistency of thick sour cream, it's worth the night - in the morning I start the dough. For 2 liters of sourdough - 2-3 liters of water, the rest is flour (rye, rye-wheat, wheat), - I knead until thick sour cream - I remove a third (about 1 liter) in a tank (with a leaky lid - so that the leaven can breathe) into the refrigerator - the next time (stored for 1-2 weeks), add salt and seasonings (optional) to the rest of the part, knead the dough completely, then leave it for 1.5-2 hours, as the dough rises, knead it and into molds, stand for an hour and I bake. I make a lot of bread, there are enough foodies (:
sazalexter
AnaMost, No need to exaggerate the topic of "harmful" yeast about this on the forum wrote repeatedly. And I know GOSTs perfectly !!!
To obtain baking pressed yeast, the following raw materials and materials are used
These materials are used throughout production !!! Even when disinfecting containers., And this should be reflected in the GOST.
For comparison, search the Internet for the cooking process and GOST Sahara that's where the horror is !!! After that, I think many will not want to eat it Article about yeast 🔗
AnaMost
Okay, I won't be clear anymore .. I removed the excerpt from the guest, who are interested - they will watch it in the video at the link. I see no reason to argue either. Everything is learned with experience. At least, my husband's stomach problems from the moment of baking on their own disappeared, well, I lost the extra 4 kilograms))), I think it definitely didn't get any worse from my own starter cultures ..
Moreover, everything works out - any baked goods (bread, rolls, cakes).

I'm waiting for answers on the stove ... I think I'll probably take Binatoshka .. I ran through the entire branch - I did not find any special negative reviews. This makes me happy.
AnaMost
sazalexter - we don't have such in our city, I don't want to order via the Internet ...
Yes, and I looked closely at Binaton 2169 because of the 2nd form and 2 stirrers, Similar Burning 1400 - does not suit the reviews ..
Although I'm going to look at it in the store too.

I think it will be okay to bake with self-made sourdoughs if the oven is normal in principle!
Moreover, Mudray has already tried it!
modulor
Hello everyone! I have long wanted to buy a miracle stove, and so they let me use it. The predecessors played enough, now we are playing)
Yesterday we baked sweet bread with cinnamon and raisins. Everything was done according to the recipe. It turned out to be pretty, no different from the appetizing photos on the site (I couldn't add an image)
I got a Binatone BM 1168 bread machine without a thin recipe book.Will the scanned recipe book from Binatone BM-2169 work?

sazalexter
modulor, The whole forum, solid recipes, choose any, the book is absolutely not needed
Alesya Smolensk
Hello to all bakers! Can you please tell me how to change the baking time in the bread maker itself (program 8)? The instructions say: baking from 10 minutes to an hour in increments of 10 minutes, I typed on all the buttons, in the end I did not set anything, set it for an hour and turned it off at the right time on my own. Is this 10 minute step really not there, or am I such a fool?
Alesya Smolensk
I mastered the whole topic ... I realized that I'm not a liar, it's just that the manufacturer did not correct his mistakes, and it is not known whether he will correct it.
Cons:
1) the letter d in the word timer is mirrored, we could correct it .. (but not critical)
2) when I warmed up for the first time, my windows seemed to fog up and then bubbles formed on the plastic, the review did not worsen much, but a little unpleasant, they just bought it, and already this ...
3) the 1125 g and 900 g modes are confused in time - but again it is not critical, the 5 minute difference will not make the weather
4) I baked egg and wheat rye bread on the main program, the perfect wheat rye bread came out (verified recipe from Admin), but the egg one did not fried on top, although the sides were right, but I read here that this happens, then everything should be fine .. ..
Minor flaws spoil the joy of the purchase, but on the whole I am satisfied, I would also like to serve it properly, but we'll see
Cezar_
Kind time of the day.
Not a very pleasant thing happened. A piece of the control board broke off, and, as expected in such cases, was lost.
And in the end it turned out like this.

Bread maker Binatone BM-2169
If possible, discard the photo of the reverse side of the control board.
I would be extremely grateful.
DrZlyden
Good day! Recently became the owners of BM-2169. Now I'm interested in the question, can you turn off the beeping after the end of the program?
Ksyushk @ -Plushk @
DrZlyden, you can't. But I know cases when, after the end of the warranty, handy and big-headed men, having opened the HP (and not only this model), cut the wires from the "speaker" (or whatever it sings in it) and then it calmed down.
DrZlyden
And this is an idea, thanks!)))
Naughty
Quote: Ksyushk @ -Plushk @
cut the wires from the "speaker" (or whatever sings in it) and that's when it calmed down.
But then it will completely subside! This is only if you do not need a reminder about supplements and so on.
Ksyushk @ -Plushk @
Yes, of course, then it will completely subside. And additives will need to be added only focusing on the time on the scoreboard. Or on a whim.
Lolka
Hello. Tell me. please, where can I order a bucket for binatone bm-2169? I live in the Republic of Belarus, the third day I can not find a service center: everyone denies that there is no contract with binatone. Declared on the official website (also not engaged in repairs. Or maybe there is a thread on the forum where this is discussed? I would be grateful for any information.
sazalexter
Lolka, I'm afraid only through the service, I have not seen such buckets in online stores.
Lolka
sazalexter, trouble-a-aaa. Thank you, we will search)))
tabity
I bought here 🔗
Lolka
tabity, thanks, but I'm from Belarus, and they don't send here. )))
sazalexter
Lolka, try here 🔗
Lolka
sazalexter, Thank you so much. I sent them an application. "According to the regulations, the request is processed within 3 days." Waiting for an answer. )))
sazalexter, tell me, can you get this "happiness" in St. Petersburg or, again, only on order? So as not to strain your friends with a search, but only with delivery on occasion.
sazalexter
Quote: Lolka
tell me, but in St. Petersburg you can get this "happiness"
Unfortunately, the problem with buckets for this HP remains open, I will not say more.
Lolka
sazalexter, Thank you.
tabity
Lolka, if it does not work out with the store, can I send it to you from Ukraine? I really can't imagine how much it will cost.
Lolka
tabity, thanks, but I also can not imagine + more customs. I would like a simpler and more budgetary option. While I use a bucket for Easter cakes, I get 2 half a loaf and 2 times more humpbacks - the children are happy. Maybe the situation with our service center will change.
Good day.
Finally, they brought me a Binatone BM-2169.Immediately I try and screw it up, did not warm it up for the first time, forgot to grease it with oil.
It is also embarrassing that 3 sizes of a loaf are exposed and there is no 750g that are indicated in the recipes. I try a 750g oven according to the recipe with 900g exhibited in the HB. Can you please tell me if everything will work out and are my mistakes so critical? So I don't want to spoil it) I put the bread according to the French recipe. I try to do everything according to the recipe from the book.
sakura_branch
Good day to you, bakers! Became the happy owner of Binaton. I baked according to a recipe from a fan French bread with Provencal herbs, it turned out well. But I just want black bread. I look in the recipes for all sorts of additives that I still cannot find. Can you give me a link to simple recipes made from rye flour, where only regular yeast is needed? And is it possible to take any recipes on this site? or are they adapted to the original bread makers?
sazalexter
sakura_branch, you can take any recipes on this site.
sakura_branch
sazalexter, Thank you. I will try)
Jos27
Quote: sakura_branch
But I want exactly black bread
I bake only pure black rye sourdough bread on 2169, so as not to buy yeast.
Structure:
Rye flour - 400 g
Rye flour sourdough - about 1 - 1.5 cups.
Water - 300-310 ml
Salt - 2 teaspoons
Sugar - 1.5 - 2 tablespoons
Sunflower oil - 1.5 - 2 tablespoons
Malt - 1 tablespoon (you can do without malt, but of course it tastes better with it)

So, I pour half the norm of water into a glass, dissolve the sugar and salt, pour it into the bread machine (large bucket).
I measure, pour in rye flour, sourdough, malt, oil. Top up with the rest of the water.
I set the programmable 11 program, add 2 minutes to the duration of the first batch, so that it becomes 14 minutes.
I launch the program.
After a minute, I help with a silicone spatula to collect flour from the corners and from the middle of the bucket.
Then she interferes.
When the end of 14 minutes of mixing, I turn off the oven (interrupt the program or turn it off from the socket),
(Rye dough is not going into a bun).
I pierce the kneading with a spatula, remove air bubbles, level the dough.
I put it near a hot battery, for 4 hours the dough rises.
Then I select program 8 "Baking", leave the default baking time for 1 hour, set the temperature to 200 degrees.
About 15 minutes after the end I take out the bread, the night is cooling down. You can eat in the morning.

If there is a lot of water, then the bread is damp, sticks to the knife, the roof falls.
200 degrees is, of course, a lot ... The crust is very dark. But I do this.
The process of preparing ingredients, kneading, washing takes almost half an hour. I don't count the baking time.
Whoever has time, you can bake your own bread.

P.S. When baking rye bread, the smell is not very pleasant, so I try to schedule baking closer to night in the kitchen.
And close the door.

P.S. Binatone 2169 glitches.
On program 8 it is impossible to set the baking time for more than 1 hour. If you put, for example, 1 hour 10 minutes,
the start of baking is simply delayed by 10 minutes.

sakura_branch
Jos27, and how to make the leaven?

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