Alex100
At one time I wanted a yogurt maker, but in the end I use a 2 liter thermos. It turns out great from whole milk.
Nothing overheats. I just heat the milk just below 40 degrees (by thermometer), add the starter culture and after 8 hours everything is ready

For the first time, I use a sourdough from a pharmacy, and then I just pour it separately from the finished yogurt and add about 150 mg per 2 liters
Yulia Antipova
Quote: anneta21
Yulia Antipova, I don't have a thermometer. Yes, even if there were, is it possible to open the lid during fermentation and stick the thermometer into the jars? Will there be no pathogenic flora?

Of course it will start !!! Therefore, we take a thermometer (at least the simplest one for 30 rubles - in any hardware store), put it on the bottom of the yogurt maker, do not put the jars, close the lid and set the alarm clock (phone, timer, microwave - what is there for every half hour). We do it on the weekend. We turn on the yoghurt maker and, through the transparent lid, on the call, we go up every half hour and check the temperature. Then we draw conclusions.

For me, for example, only at the fifth (fifth !!!) hour of work at the yogurt maker the temperature rises to 47 degrees. And the rest of the time it keeps the right temperature. But this is enough to kill all life that is there and leave it just ... uh-uh ... well, how to put it more cultured, well, in general, a useless product.

Therefore, I strongly advise you to painstakingly and boringly check all 8-10 hours of work. And if the temperature has nothing to do with it, then proceed to the BE plan.

Or, like Alex100, heat it up once and then leave it in a thermos. But this method categorically does not suit me, because my favorite gluttons, gluttons, require yogurt in small jars with lids. My husband made a large polystyrene thermos in a box, but I'm uncomfortable. Therefore, I use a yogurt maker.
anneta21
Yulia Antipova, but, measure inside the yogurt maker! must really try!
Mona1
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Mona1, Tanya, is it possible for me to buy this particular yogurt maker? I have three yogurt machines in my house and all three overheat.
Yulia, I'm sorry I didn't answer your question. I just went into the topic and noticed. This yogurt maker, as I wrote, was specially ordered by the Institute of Milk and Meat in Kiev for their VIVO starter culture. And it was sold only in Ukraine. But now, I looked in the internet and see that there is also delivery in Russia, here for example
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Just think if this is what you need, because you cannot insert a purchased thermostat into it, it is on electronics. And it can only do 30, 36 and 42 degrees. That is, if you need 38 degrees, then it will not work, for example. So I wrote about this above on this page and here is my thoughts on this
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=170887.0
I hope that you still need my answer.
Mona1
Quote: anneta21

I have the simplest Supra. I bought it, given my difficult relationship with all products that require fermentation. Well, my premonitions did not deceive me. For some reason, on any yoghurt sourdough, even on Vivo, I get yogurt. What to do?
Anya, did you buy a thermostat separately? Because almost all yogurt makers overheat. Probably your problem is the same. If there is no thermostat, then try to put a circle of perforated cardboard on the bottom, possibly in two layers, to reduce the temperature inside the yogurt maker.And the fact that you wrote that even VIVO sourdough does not work, because they are the first candidates, which will not work, because they need 36-37 degrees, and, for example, many Italian need 38-40, and Bulgarian Genesis like up to 42, that is, these have a much higher chance - that they will turn out in conditions of an overheating yogurt maker without a thermostat.
Or maybe, on the contrary, it is underheated, if it is cold in the apartment, then the bottom is hot, and the air inside the yogurt maker is cold. In this case, you can try covering the yoghurt maker when working, for example, with a terry towel or woolen something. So you have to measure. Only not with a mercury thermometer, but with one that is for liquids (for conservation)
It is necessary to measure the temperature in the jar 4-5 hours after switching on. If you are afraid to bring some byaka with a thermometer, then just disinfect it (wipe it with a cotton swab dipped in alcohol, or vodka as a last resort)
By the way, do you dilute the starter culture in milk, do you measure the temperature of the milk? Because if there is not 37, for example, as needed for your ferment, but 40 or more, then all the bacilli are simply scorched at the initial stage and then it is not known what will ferment. So control is necessary for all stages of preparation. Hope it helped. Good luck!
Yulia Antipova
Mona1, Tanya, thank you, dear, for your concern !!! I even found how to buy them, but I decided not to. With the help of a thermometer, a layer of buckwheat at the bottom of the yogurt maker and on top of perforated cardboard, I have already brought my mind to my mind. At first I wanted to stick in the thermostat, but my model does not allow this. In any case, thanks for the feedback - it was thanks to you that I found what I will strive for.
anneta21
Mona1, Thank you! Today I will try - in the absence of thermometers for now - to lay a cloth on the bottom of the device.
Mona1
Quote: Yulia Antipova

I'm using a thermometer a layer of buckwheat on the bottom of the yogurt maker and on top of the perforated cardboard has already brought her mind. At first I wanted to stick in the thermostat, but my model does not allow this. In any case, thanks for the feedback - it was thanks to you that I found what I will strive for.
Julia, this is a very interesting and unexpected decision, by the way. And by the way, there must be good thermal insulation. This has not happened in Temka yet, so you can file a patent for an invention. )))
Mona1
Quote: anneta21

Mona1, Thank you! Today I will try - in the absence of thermometers for now - to lay a cloth on the bottom of the device.
If there is no thermometer (by the way, you can temporarily use an alcohol aquarium (do you accidentally have any fish?). If there is none, then when you warm up the milk for breeding the sourdough, then check the temperature, as for breastfeeding babies: drip onto the inside of the wrist. hot - overheated. If it gets cold, heat it a little more, but if you don't feel a drop, then everything is OK. You can dilute the leaven.
Yulia Antipova
Quote: Mona1
Julia, this is a very interesting and unexpected decision, by the way.

Mona1, Tanya, thanks It's nice!!!
I want to share why buckwheat. Due to the shape of its grains, part of the heat goes into buckwheat, and part of the air quietly goes further. Thus, for Chinese yogurt makers, the issue of the danger of overheating is solved (not all, but some models are sensitive to the "blockade" of heat transfer). And thanks to the hard perforated cardboard, the heat evenly goes to the bottoms of the cups, on which nothing sticks. The cardboard is a little narrower than a layer of buckwheat, so warm air also flows along the walls ... Here ...
Mona1
It is clear, everything is scientific, not just like that.
Fields
I bought a new leaven.
Lactoferm-manufacturer BIOCHEM. Italy.
I feel the full g ...
As he poured milk into glasses, it remained with milk. Slightly sour
WWW.
Mona1
Pavel, for example, I did not understand what you wanted to say with your post. You might ask something like that? Why didn't it work, for example? But then you did not say anything except the name of the leaven. Not what kind of milk, not what temperature of milk when brewing the leaven, or how and in what way it was made, how many hours, what was the temperature in the glasses after cooking? Expiration date of sourdough, milk. Italian starters are usually good, I did not use yours, I have no experience specifically with it.
Also, you wrote a post on the wrong topic. Models of yogurt makers are discussed here, not sourdoughs. For leaven the topic is here
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=171094.1040 I hope you will find a reason and will not immediately chop off the shoulder like that. Good luck.
Sikorka
I was looking on the Internet for timers for yogurt makers with a thermostat.
I have Moulinex, it overheats. Found these:
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Who bought this?
Simply changing the yogurt maker you just bought is expensive. And everywhere they write that thermostats are only for yogis. without thermostat.
Mona1
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I searched the internet timers for yoghurt makers with thermostat.
I have Moulinex, it overheats. Found these:
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Who bought this?
Simply changing the yogurt maker you just bought is expensive. And everywhere they write that thermostats for yogis only. without thermostat.
Probably, thermostats for yogurt makers with timer

thermostats for yogis only. without timer

Do you have a timer automatic yoghurt? It is not clear from your post, and at least what model of Mulinex should be written, maybe someone has one here. If you have a new yogurt maker, and the return period has not yet passed, then I would change it to a simple one, without a timer shutdown. Perhaps even she would not overheat. It is not written in your profile which country you are from. If Ukraine, then Dex108, for example, is praised for non-overheating. And if this were the case, and overheating, then they would buy a thermostat. If you don't want to change, then you have to put up with your yogurt maker. If it is automatic, then the thermostat will not give it a ride, as you read correctly, none, including those according to your links. You can try to put perforated cardboard boxes or here I read, the girl alone poured dry buckwheat to the bottom, and cardboard on top. Well, that's all already - jars. Pour a layer of buckwheat of such a size so that there is no overheating in the cans, that is, it is necessary to experiment, at least with water, so as not to transfer the leaven and milk in vain. If the overheating is not very strong, it may be possible to achieve the desired temperature. Again, try to use starter cultures that are hotter. For some, Bulgarian, for example, and Italian, up to 42 is acceptable there (although 42 is already critical, and optimal up to 40), but for VIVO there are 36-37 degrees, so you don't need these for sure.
Sikorka
Moulinex YG 231932
45 degrees in it. Not a month has passed since I bought it in an online store in Moscow.
Can I take it back. 14 days have passed since the date of purchase. What to do?
Sikorka
... I was now told in the online store to contact the customer service, and not to them.
Sikorka
In short, I am returning the goods. Now I'm thinking about what to buy in return, a new yogurt maker or a slow cooker.
Mona1
I have a yogurt maker (+ thermostat) and a multicooker with the Yogurt function. But I do it exclusively in a yogurt maker. In the multicooker, 40 degrees are declared for this function, but it is not a fact that it will turn out to be 41-42. And 40 is too much for me. Now, if it were 38, that's perfect.
Do you have at least some kind of multicooker already? I'm just delighted with the multicooker, without it, as without hands. If I didn't have it, then of course I would have bought it. But not cheap at all, but such that there must be modes: Frying, Baking, Milk porridge and a couple of automatic sensor modes for cereals. Well, the Multipovar or Manual mode, where you can set your own temperature.
So think yourself which is better - a yogurt maker or a cartoon. If you decide the cartoon with the goal of yoghurt, then find Temka for this cartoon on our forum or on others and ask how yogurt is obtained there. So as not to be disappointed.
Sikorka
No multicooker.
In theory, if not yogurt, so I'll cook something else.
And water is poured into it if you make yogurt? I just read that the minimum is 35 degrees, and the step is +5 degrees for manual adjustment. At what temperature do you need to make yogurt and dough?
I don't know what to do, what to buy. Therefore, here I ask, I myself will not choose.
Mona1
You can put cans and pour warm water up to your shoulders or not pour water. Place a napkin on the bottom and put jars closed with lids. Napkin - so as not to scratch the bottom.
Yogurt in a cartoon is made only at the temperature that gives a cartoon. 35 is not enough for yogurt.
For kefir you need 30, for other leavens - in different ways, I already wrote. Some need 36, some need 38-40.For the dough, both 35 and 40 are a lot, unless you warm it up and turn it off, and let the dough stand there like in a thermos and fit. In general, it is ideal for the dough to ferment - 26-28 degrees.
If there are many questions to choose from, then it's better to write to me in a personal message, otherwise it's like about yoghurts.
Sikorka
There is such a yogurt maker either to have a proven model, or with a temperature setting on it. It turns out you need to buy any (without auto-shutdown) plus a thermostat for it?
Mona1
Yes, unfortunately, in yoghurt makers there is no possibility of setting the temperature, which is needed for each particular leaven. The yoghurt maker heats any sourdough equally. And it often warms up. By the way, these devices are made in China and walking on their websites, I constantly read that these devices are intended for making yoghurts and rice vodka. That is, in that region, this is probably relevant and the temperature for this, probably, should be at 45 degrees. So why be surprised. And since yogurt makers are a mass product that is produced at Chinese factories of large household appliances, as an accompanying trifle, no one is concerned about raising the cost of its cost by installing their own thermostat in yogurt makers. What for? The people are already eating ...
I have a Clathronic yogurt maker. The husband unscrewed the bottom to see if there was something inside. was shocked - emptiness and in it a plate of white metal about 10 cm long and 1 cm wide (heating element) and a pair of thin wires. All. There is nothing else. So there is no need to expect miracles from yogurt makers.
Yulia Antipova
Quote: Sikorka
There is such a yogurt maker either to have a proven model, or with a temperature setting on it.
Sikorka, there is such 🔗 but she's not perfect either. Not all starter cultures can be made on it. But at least some choice ... And it costs, in my opinion, unjustifiably expensive.
Mona1
Yes, VIVO TERMOMASTER, my mother has one, she already has 3 modes: 30, 36 and 42 degrees. But basically, it should be between 36 and 42. I once described these inconveniences in detail, although if these temperatures are needed, then it copes well.
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=170887.0
Yulia Antipova
Quote: Mona1
But mostly, it should be between 36 and 42.
I agree 100%. And if you consider that, for example, I need to make 3-5 liters of yogurt or kefir at a time, so Vivo will not be able to cope with such a volume ...
Mona1
3-5 liters is in a slow cooker, probably?
Yulia Antipova
Quote: Mona1
3-5 liters is in a slow cooker, probably?

No, in the dryer Travola with Ozone. I wrote in the subject in detail there. I like it very much, because the temperature for yogurt is 41.6 degrees.
Mona1
Interestingly, I didn't think about the yogurt dryer. And what kind of starter is for 41.6?
Yulia Antipova
Quote: Mona1
And what kind of starter is for 41.6?
Vivovsky yogurt - his recommendation is up to 42 degrees.
DarthSidious
Quote: Mona1
And what kind of starter is for 41.6?
Evitalia for example
Mona1
Quote: Yulia Antipova

Vivovsky yogurt - his recommendation is up to 42 degrees.
Well, yes, only even at 40, then it already comes out much worse than at 36-37. There are bacteria in yogurt, they are alive. Imagine if a person lives for himself, and around 28 degrees. He lives and feels great. And if it is 38, then as if the person is also alive, but does not feel very much. And such a person is no good anywhere. No worker, no husband, no fish, no meat, no interlocutor - everything annoys him, and even all sweaty and smelly from the heat. Although yes, it is alive at this temperature. )))
This is what I mean. That at the maximum it is not necessary to make yogurt, it will turn out to be underdone.
Solessya
I also want to become a yogurt maker, I reread the thread from the end, came to the conclusion that I would buy either Severin with 14 cans or Shtebu 2 for 12 cans. An unsuccessful search for a thermal controller led me to a men's discussion of yogurt makers, they have already done there what we dream of and expect from manufacturers - they crossed a yogurt maker with a thermal controller
Yoghurt maker - choice, reviews, questions of operation (2)
I wonder if I can adapt this
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Yulia Antipova
Quote: Mona1
This is what I mean. That at the maximum it is not necessary to make yogurt, it will turn out to be underdone.
Mona1, I have clear recommendations from the manufacturer - to ferment yogurt at a temperature of 41-42 degrees. Therefore, I think 41.6 is an excellent temperature. The maximum is 45 degrees. When I have an opportunity, I will post a photo of the table with recommendations.
Quote: Mona1
Well, yes, only even at 40, then it already comes out much worse than at 36-37.
36 degrees according to the table is the temperature of kefir.

For those wishing to get acquainted with the production of yoghurt in industry (temperature, characteristics, etc.), please read below. By the way, there is a rationale for how fermentation at 42 degrees differs from fermentation at lower temperatures.

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Honored Worker of the Food Industry of the Russian Federation, Ph.D. Z.S. Zobkova, Ph.D. T.P. Fursova, GNUVNIMI

Various types of yoghurts are currently produced in Russia. Depending on the technology that determines the organoleptic characteristics of the finished product, including the consistency, there are yoghurts prepared by the thermostatic method, with an undisturbed curd and a dense consistency, yoghurts produced by the reservoir method, with a broken clot, and drinking.

Drinking yoghurt is becoming an increasingly popular product. Its unique nutritional properties with a wide variety of flavors, practical and attractive packaging, lower cost in comparison with other types contribute to real consumer success.

Abroad, the technology of drinking yoghurt differs in that the product, after fermentation, is mixed, homogenized, cooled to storage temperature (5 ° C) and bottled. In our country, when drinking-type yoghurt is produced, the product, after fermentation and mixing, is partially cooled in a tank or in a stream to a storage temperature (4 ± 2 ° C) and poured. In this case, the milk-protein clot, subject to destruction during the cooling process, poorly restores the structure and is prone to syneresis; therefore, the thixotropy (ability to recover) and the water-holding capacity of the system are of particular importance. There are several ways to improve these indicators.

One of them is the selection of starter cultures. It is known that microorganisms that make up yogurt starter cultures, depending on the physiological characteristics, form milk-protein clots with different types of consistency when fermenting milk: prickly or viscous with varying degrees of ductility. For drinking yoghurt, a viscous type of starter culture with a reduced tendency to syneresis is used.

Starter cultures that form clots with good water-holding capacity, determined by centrifugation for 5 min at a separation factor of F = 1000, should not release more than 2.5 ml of serum per 10 ml of starter culture [1,4]. The structural properties of the curd are also influenced by the culture temperature of the starter cultures. The optimum fermentation temperatures for starter cultures consisting of Str. Thermophilus and Lb. delbrueckii subsp. bulgaricus, - 40-45 ° С [1, 5]. A decrease in the ripening temperature to 32 ° C causes excessive formation of exopolysaccharides and obtaining a product characterized by a more pronounced consistency stability, but also excessive viscosity [11].

In industrial production, the following modes of fermentation of yoghurt are used when using a starter culture consisting of Str. Thermophilus and Lb. delbrueckii subsp. bulgaricus: in Russia, the fermentation temperature is 40-42 ° C, the fermentation time is 3-4 hours, the amount of ferment is 3-5%; in the EU countries, respectively, 37-46 ° С, 2-6 hours, 0.01-8% (more often 2-3%) or 30-32 ° С, 8-18 hours, 0.01-1% [1, 6, 7].

Cultures Lb. delbrueckii subsp. bulgaricus, Str. subsp. Thermophilus is able to form extracellular polymers, which are carbohydrate-protein complexes. The amount of these polymers increases at lower fermentation temperatures or under the influence of unfavorable factors. Thickening ability of polysaccharides produced by Str.thermophilus. differs from that produced by Lb. delbrueckii subsp. bulgaricus.

Mucous substances produced by different strains of Str. Thermophilus and Lb. delbrueckii subsp. bulgaricus can have different chemical compositions. In polysaccharides Lb. delbrueckii subsp. bulgaricus, arabinose, mannose, glucose, galactose are present, which are linked by linear or branched bonds. These polymers are chemically similar to the β-glucan components of cell membranes. Some bacteria Str. Thermophilus produce tetrasaccharides consisting of galactose, glucose and N-acetyl-galactosamine with a molecular weight of 1 million, which have thickening properties. The presence of these mucous substances improves the uniformity and elasticity of the clot [5].

Based on comprehensive studies of the chemical composition and rheological properties of the clot, it is assumed that an increase in its elasticity formed by viscous strains is associated with the inclusion of exopolysaccharide interlayers in casein matrices, thus increasing the distance between casein micelles, which causes an increase in water-holding capacity and obtaining a soft yogurt texture [9 ].

At the same time, it was noticed that cultures of microorganisms producing exopolysaccharides in the same concentration formed clots with different organoleptic and rheological properties. Thus, more slimy cultures formed clots with a lower viscosity than less slimy cultures with the same amount of exopolysaccharides. Differences in the consistency of yoghurt are explained not by the amount of exopolysaccharides, but by the nature of the formed spatial protein structure. The more extensive, branched network of protein chains and polysaccharides produced by cultures of microorganisms, the higher the viscosity of the clot [8,12].

Considering that not all mucous strains have the ability to increase the viscosity of the clot, based on the evaluation of the flow curves obtained by viscometry methods, mucous and thickening cultures are distinguished [9, 10]. In the production of drinking-type yoghurt, the milk-protein curd undergoes the most significant mechanical effect and therefore needs a special approach, namely: a sufficiently high viscosity of the curd after fermentation is required, the milk-protein clot must be sufficiently resistant to destruction, have the ability to maximize structure recovery after destruction and retain the serum during the entire shelf life.

Structured systems that arise in milk fermented with thickening-type starter cultures contain both irreversibly destructible bonds of the condensation type, which have high strength, giving the structure elastic-brittle properties, and thixotropically reversible bonds of the coagulation type, which have low strength and give elasticity and plasticity [3]. At the same time, judging by the degree of restoration of the destroyed structure, constituting for various starters from 1.5 to 23%, the proportion of thixotropic bonds in this case is still not high enough.

Another way to get a uniform, non-flaking. the viscous consistency of yoghurt, with increased thixotropy, water-holding capacity, storage stability, is the use of various additives.

The use of protein-containing additives in certain concentrations (milk powder, milk-protein concentrates, soy protein, etc.) leads to "an increase in the content of dry matter and (depending on the type of additive) an increase in density, viscosity, and a decrease in the tendency to syneresis. However, they do not allow obtaining a significant increase in the thixotropy of the clot.

In the production of yoghurt, it is also possible to use consistency stabilizers. In this case, it is necessary to take into account a number of patterns.

It is known that high molecular weight substances (HMW) - hydrocolloids, which are part of stabilization systems used in the production of yoghurt, form gels that exhibit different mechanical properties depending on the types of bonds that occur between polymer macromolecules in solution. IMV solutions, in which intermolecular bonds are extremely fragile and the number of permanent bonds is small, are capable of flowing and do not form a strong structure over a wide range of concentrations and temperatures (starch, gums).

Solutions of high-molecular substances with a large number of bonds between macromolecules give a rigid spatial network with a slight increase in concentration, the structure of which strongly depends on temperature (gelatin, low methoxylated pectin, agar, carrageenan). Gelatin has the lowest gelling temperature. Its 10% solution turns into jelly at a temperature of about 22 ° C [2].The mixtures of the first and the second are compiled with the aim of increasing their functionality, that is, the manifestation, to one degree or another, of the properties of both groups.

It is known that lowering the temperature causes the formation of bonds between the polymer (hydrocolloid) molecules, leading to structuring. Permanent bonds between molecules in IMV solutions can be formed as a result of the interaction of polar groups carrying an electric charge of various signs, as well as due to chemical bonds. Structuring is the process of appearance and gradual hardening of a spatial mesh. At higher temperatures, due to the intensity of micro Brownian motion, the number and duration of the existence of bonds between macromolecules are small. The lower the temperature, the more the spectrum of contacts between macromolecules expands and shifts towards greater strength.

If the formed bonds (coagulation structure} are not too strong, then mechanical action (stirring) can destroy the structure. But when the external influence is eliminated, the solutions usually restore their structure and gel solid spatial mesh, strong mechanical impacts cause its irreversible destruction [2].

Taking into account the above, the authors of the article carried out a comparative assessment of the thixotropic properties and water-holding capacity of drinking yoghurt, developed with a number of stabilizers of consistency of various compositions.

The thixotropic properties of clots and their ability to resist mechanical stress are characterized by the change in relative viscosity, which corresponds to the degree of restoration of the destroyed structure.

The table shows the average values ​​of the change in the relative viscosity (Bo5 * / Bo40 *) of yoghurt with some stabilizers and without them (control sample) at a filling temperature of 40 and 5 ° C. Sample numbers are given in decreasing order of their thixotropic properties.

From the data given in the table. it follows that the use of stabilizers causes an increase in the degree of restoration of the destroyed structure (with the exception of modified phosphate starch) by 3.5-43.5% when pouring yoghurt at a temperature of 5 ° C, which is used, as a rule, in the production of a drinking-type product {cooled in a stream to storage temperature).

The highest degree of recovery of the clot structure was observed in product samples developed with multicomponent mixtures containing gelling agents and thickeners, which ranged from 47 to 71%, which exceeded the same indicator for the control sample by 19.5-43.5%. The structures that are more reversible after mechanical destruction are obviously formed by coagulation bonds due to a significant proportion of thickeners in the composition of stabilization mixtures.

It follows from the data obtained that multicomponent stabilization systems containing gelling agents (gelatin, carrageenan, agar-agar) and thickeners (modified starch, guar gum), which, as a result, have more diverse physicochemical properties and a wider range of compatible mechanisms of gelation , create structures in yoghurt, respectively, showing to a greater extent the properties of both groups, i.e., greater resistance to degradation and greater ability to recover in comparison with one-component stabilizers (gelatin, modified starch).

The water-holding capacity of the yogurt samples produced with stabilizing additives (except for phosphate starch, samples 1-7) was characterized by the absence or separation of no more than 10% serum when centrifuging the product sample for 30 minutes at a separation factor of 1000.

The introduction of sufficient quantities of hydrocolloids, which have the ability to stabilize the CMX and increase the water-holding capacity of yoghurt during storage, made it possible, provided microbiological purity was ensured, to increase the shelf life up to 21 days, during which the consistency of the product remained without deterioration of the original quality. The exceptions were control samples and product samples prepared with phosphate starch, in which, after 2 weeks of storage, the presence of whey on the surface of the product and a thinning of the consistency were noted. Samples of yoghurt made with gelatin also received unsatisfactory consistency ratings at the end of storage, which was found to be uncharacteristic for a drinking-type product.

Thus, multicomponent stabilizing additives with pronounced thickening properties provided the best organoleptic, structural and mechanical characteristics and water-holding capacity of drinking yoghurt over a long shelf life. When choosing a stabilizing additive for drinking yoghurt, one of the main criteria is thixotropy (the degree of restoration of the destroyed structure), which is characterized by the amount of effective viscosity loss when pouring a milk-protein curd cooled to the storage temperature of the finished product.

Sample No. Stabilizer (composition) Average value of the relative viscosity of the product (Bo5 * / Bo40 *) Average loss of effective viscosity (Bo *) when filling the product at 5 ° C,%
Filling at 40 ° C Filling at 5 ° C
1 Hamulsion RABB (gelatin, guar gum E412, modified starch) 0.94 0.71 29
2 Turrizin RM (gelatin, modified starch E1422, carrageenan E407, agar-agar E406) 0.92 0.54 46
3 Palsgaard 5805 (gelatin, modified starch, mono-, diglycerides E471) 0.88 0.47 53
4 Greenstead SB 251 (gelatin, pectin E440, modified starch E1422, native starch) 0.9 0.42 58
5 Gelatin P-7 0.89 0.415 58.5
6 Ligomm AYS 63 (gelatin, low methoxylated pectin E440) 0.895 0.405 59.5
7 Hamulsion SM (gelatin, guar gum E412) 0.91 0.31 69
8 Control (without stabilizer) 0.85 0.275 72.5
9 Phosphate starch 0.86 0.21 79

Note: VO5 * - coefficient of effective viscosity, Pa · s (at a shear rate γ = 1 s-1) of the product cooled after ripening and poured at a storage temperature of 5 ° C; VO40 is the coefficient of effective viscosity. Pa · s (at a shear rate γ = 1 s-1) of the product poured at a ripening temperature of 40 ° C. Measurements in all samples were carried out at 18 ° C. The stabilizing additive was added in doses selected on the basis of the organoleptic assessment of the finished product, the manufacturer's recommendations, as well as the results of studies of the structural and mechanical characteristics (SMC) of the finished product.

Solessya
The Japanese (judging by the reviews) for their market have created the right apparatus with a thermostat
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But "in life, as usual, there is no harmony" - it is on Japanese 100 V
A source
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Yulia Antipova
Mona1, Tanya,I HAVE MY EXCURSION - I AM CONFUSED IN THE SQUARE FIRMS. Mixed up Vivovskiye sourdoughs with Bulgarian Lactina. Everything that I wrote is true, but not about Vivo, but about Lactina.

Tomorrow in this post I will lay out the tables for fermentation. To avoid confusion.
DarthSidious
Quote: Solessya
I also want to become a yogurt maker, I read the thread from the end, came to the conclusion that I would buy either Severin with 14 cans or Shtebu 2 for 12 cans. An unsuccessful search for a thermal controller led me to a men's discussion of yogurt makers, they have already done what we dream of and expect from manufacturers - they crossed a yogurt maker with a thermal controller

I wonder if I can adapt this
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The thermostat can also be adapted to the Severin as an external module, since there is no timer. But Steb will have to cut ...

Yogrtnitsy in which the heating goes through the water is better than those where the heating goes only through the bottom.
Remember what unused "electric pans" you have, which if you cross with a thermostat, you get a yogurt maker ...
Deep fryer, slow cooker, bread maker, anything you like, even an electric pan from the USSR ...
Solessya
DarthSidious
I have several multicooker (Panasonic, smile), which I postponed after buying the Shteba pressure cooker. Can a thermostat be connected to them?
Mona1
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DarthSidious
I have several multicooker (Panasonic, smile), which I postponed after buying the Shteba pressure cooker. Can a thermostat be connected to them?
A multicooker is an automatic device, but if there is a function for storing a program in case of a power outage, then it is possible that it is possible. The only thing is that the thermostat works on the principle of an iron. It turns on and off. And this happens quite often. Will this not be harmful for a multicooker, especially an expensive Panasonic? I wouldn't risk it.
DarthSidious
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not cheap Panasonic.
Ozone now has 10 Panas 1690r ... Cheaper than any know-names in other stores
DarthSidious
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Will this not be harmful for the multicooker,
TENu turn on off to the light!
DarthSidious
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Multicooker - automatic device
Exclude automation from the circuit! Leave only TEN business then!
DarthSidious
Quote: Mona1
The only thing is that the thermostat works on the principle of an iron. It turns on and off. And this happens quite often. Will this not be harmful for a multicooker, especially an expensive Panasonic? I wouldn't risk it.
The multicooker also has a thermostat ... It turns on and off ... Listen to the multicooker in a quiet room.
DarthSidious
Quote: Solessya
I have several multicooker (Panasonic, smile), which I postponed after buying the Shteba pressure cooker. Can a thermostat be connected to them?

Yes, you have a whole multipark zoo for experiments!
Of course it is possible! We open the multicooker. In the circuit, we leave only the heating element and include a thermostat in the circuit.
DarthSidious
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I have several multicooker (Panasonic
If you think about it, then from Panasonic its electronics from the circuit can not be excluded! We include the thermostat in the circuit in front of the heating element. Extinguishing mode
shelma
Girls tell me, I don’t know which branch to ask me, I want to get confused with eternal leaven, I was looking for a way out where there is a warm place in the house, (I have a difficult gas water heater and there are drafts everywhere) I was looking for a way out, I ran into a new unit from Orson, a yogurt-fermenter, there is a fermentation mode, kvass, wine / tincture-glass containers 1 and 2 liters. So please tell me it is really possible to grow in this yogurt maker, of course not to store it. Maximum 240 minutes, or maximum 96 hours
DarthSidious
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I want to mess with eternal leaven

In any case, the leaven will have to be updated. Since not only the microorganisms we need will enter and develop. The quality of the product will deteriorate with every re-sourdough. This is usually expressed in the fact that the product will turn out to be strongly sour.
Nevertheless, practice shows that the number of over-starter cultures is more than 2 recommended by manufacturers. But this is subject to certain conditions (sterile dishes, etc.)

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So please tell me really to grow in this yogurt maker
99% that it will work like a yogurt maker! With something not demanding like Evitalia, I think with a bang! The question remains, what temperature does it maintain? But only the owners will be able to answer it after testing the device!

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Maximum 240 minutes, or maximum 96 hours
Honestly, what are your weird values ​​for yogurt? What kind of starter are you going to cook for 96 hours?
shelma
Thanks for the answer, but I was more interested in the fact that the temperature regime would seem to be suitable there, at the expense of the dishes I understand there is a glass container with a lid and it is directly put into the fermenter, it seems it will not be difficult to make top dressing (I do not really like the smell of yeast), and if in the aggregate (after all, it will not smell like that), the husband reacts strongly to smells and will not grow up, so I thought to ask theoretically, because you can do it in it) I just read who wrapped it with cloth, who changed the lids, so I wanted to ask. Sterility can be observed in this device
shelma
I gave this according to the instructions that the unit works and the maximum that can be put on it is 240 minutes, or up to a maximum of 96 hours, you can put 36 hours there, this is a new device that Orson decided to put on sale now it costs 2490, a very reasonable price, there are three mode, first fermentation, second kvass, third wine / liqueurs, change the time and temperature values
shelma
I probably explained incorrectly I was interested in eternal leaven for rye bread

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