Yoghurt maker - choice, reviews, questions of operation (2)

Thank you, but I'm in Moldova, it's problematic. I now want to buy the same yogurt maker as yours, how do you use it then, does it overheat?

Overheats. Therefore, in the summer I use it with problems, but I'm already used to it. Better to buy something else.

Overheats. Therefore, in the summer I use it with problems, but I'm already used to it. Better to buy something else.

What else? Are there any without overheating?

I also have a mechanical moulinex, now I am experimenting on water to get the same temperature in all the jars. In the evening I go to the post office for a thermostat. What happened to the order, and so, visually I really like it, I walk past the kitchen, the eye rejoices.

What else? Are there any without overheating?

It's better to take Dax.

I also have a mechanical moulinex, now I am experimenting on water to get the same temperature in all the jars. In the evening I go to the post office for a thermostat. What happened to the order, and so, visually I really like it, I walk past the kitchen, the eye rejoices.

We wait!

It's better to take Dax.

We don't sell them.

We don't sell them.

Then I don’t know. We must proceed from the fact that you are selling.

Girls, the owner of the MOULINEX DJC 141 yogurt maker, who managed to make her friends with the thermostat?

And yet, why did you set such a huge range of 45-50 degrees? : pardon: The temperature is still usually outside and walks back and forth by a degree, or even more? The recommended minimum between the lower and upper set limits is 0.5 degrees, not 5 degrees. And I generally put 0.3. For example, now my installed 37.7-38.0.

The instructions say: "It is not recommended to set the temperature difference at which the relay is frequently triggered (with a frequency of 1 time per minute). Frequent triggering leads to overheating and wear of the relay contacts, which can cause the relay to" stick "- the relay will not disconnect the load." ... With a small temperature difference, frequent on-off occurs, so I set a large range.

[frequent actuation of the relay (with a frequency of 1 time per minute)]

The instructions say: "It is not recommended to establish the temperature difference at which frequent actuation of the relay (with a frequency of 1 time per minute)... Frequent operation leads to overheating and wear of the relay contacts, which can cause the relay to "stick" - the relay will not disconnect the load. ”With a small temperature difference, frequent on-off occurs, so I set a large range.

I read this, but what does the frequent triggering of the relay mean. Maybe this is not so, but it seems to me that this is the moment when the regulator turns on or off the consumer that is plugged into it. For example, if you have 45-50, then from the moment when the temperature reached 50 and the regulator turned off the yogurt maker (the button on the yogurt maker went out), until the moment when the temperature dropped to 45 and turned on the yoghurt maker (the light on it) - and so this period of time should not be less than 1 minute, otherwise the relay will overheat. With such a scale, you probably have 10 minutes, well, you somehow reinsure yourself, and such waves are simply harmful for yogurt. Poor bacilli - now in their heat, now in the cold. They, the poor, have no time for reproduction, one extreme. Look, I already wrote that I have a 0.3 difference, and then several minutes pass from one relay actuation to another. Someone wrote that 0.5 is recommended, but this can, for incubators, I don’t know, they’re bigger. Anyway, I don't have any sticking, so I make a difference of 0.3. And so, if 0.5, then there is nothing to worry about. You are here by the clock, how much time you have between relay operations, and then narrow the range and measure again. Just not an empty yogurt maker, but pour warm water into jars, so that it seems to be quite close in real conditions. And do not worry, we will tame your Moulinex, there is really no difference, what kind of yogurt maker, the main thing is that you can fit the regulator and the sensor in one place, fix it at least with tape, glue it to the bottom. So that he was at the same place every time. I really want everything to work out! rose:
I'm just doing yogurt right now, I'll measure right now how many minutes I have from On to Off and from Off to On.

Well, I measured it. So, in detail how it happens with me:
Regulator limits: 37.7 - 38.0.
When the temperature rises and reaches 38.0, the regulator turns off the yogurt maker. (Let this be moment A). But despite the fact that the yogurt maker has turned off, the regulator readings continue to rise and reach 39.0 at my regulator, that is, 1 degree backlash. Then the little ones freeze and start moving down. And when they reach 37.7, the regulator turns on the yogurt maker (let it be moment B). But tsyfirki continue to go down a little. Here, however, there is much less backlash than the top, I have only 0.1-0.2 degrees. And then slowly the temperature went up again, reached 38.0 and the regulator turns off the yogurt maker (Let it be moment C). As a result of measurements, it was found that I have:
A to B (i.e., Off to On) - 6 min 39 sec
B to C (i.e., On to Off) - 1 min 27 sec.
And so it repeats in a circle.
These measurements are only suitable specifically for my copy of the regulator and my copy of the yogurt maker. And to your copies it is necessary for each by typing method, maybe more than once, to adapt. It's all very simple. Once set up for the needs of a specific starter culture and that's it, you don't need to change the values ​​anymore.

Girls, good afternoon everyone, please tell me where to read how to insert a photo, I want to show what I have built to equalize the temperature in the jars.

Here about the photo https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...ion=com_smf&topic=73109.0

So, I sort of figured it out myself, now I'll try. Well, now I'll tell you what I tried. In the beginning, I measured the approximate temperature in all the jars, it turned out that in the central one it was 5 degrees higher than in the others. On repeated measurement, it turned out that one more jar differs from the others by 3 degrees. I bought a 1ml thick silicone hot pad. After 4 hours, it turned out that the temperature in the middle jar goes with a difference of 3 degrees, in the second by 2 degrees. I also cut out one square from the rug - everything remained the same, I tried to put a napkin, then a cardboard (and a small dog). Did not help. As a result, I bought another silicone hot plate with pimples 2-3 mm thick. I put 2 layers under the middle, one under the second. As a result, the temperature in the circle became equal, in the center by 1 - 1.5 degrees more than in the others. I also measured the temperature at the bottom of the jar and at the top - the difference is 1 degree. That's what I did:

I also attached a thin silicone mat with a stapler, as it adheres well to the bottom of the yogurt maker so that it does not slip.
Now I have a question, Tan, where to attach the sensor from the thermostat?

Tan, Monochka - I always put the temperature difference on the thermostat - 1C - with both yogurt and sour cream - everything is OK, I did not notice any negative effect.
And besides, since the instructions indicate 1C - so why did the manufacturer write that? Well, isn't it just the way it is written? Why do they write instructions?
although it's up to everyone to stick or not

Poor bacilli - now in their heat, now in the cold. They, the poor, have no time for reproduction, one extreme.

Tan, what cold it is in the jars - it won't cool down in any way - the jars in the yogurt maker (and even the lids are closed), the yogurt maker is closed with a lid - how does it turn into cold there

Well, here's an example - will a person feel what his temperature is now - 36.6C, 36.7C or 36.8C - I won't notice such a difference.

Hello Ol! I have it located at the bottom in the place where the power cord of the yogurt maker comes out, but you saw it in the photo. But, in principle, it doesn't matter where on the bottom it will be glued with tape. It's just that the indicators of the thermostat will be different if you stick where more and where the bottom heats less. But at the same time, the temperature in the jars in one and the other cases will be the same. Glue the sensor where it is convenient for you and so that it does not interfere with placing the jars normally. Then put the readings on it with a difference of 0.5 degrees and after three hours measure the water in the cans. For example, you need 38-40 degrees for your starter culture. And the jars turned out, for example, 37 minimum and in maximum - 38.3. This means that the limits (both) of the regulator must be increased by 1 degree, so that the minimum in the cans is 38, the maximum will be 39.3.
In general, the difference of 1-1.5 degrees that you were able to make is better than 5 degrees, as it was, but I would like to reduce it to at least 0.5-0.7 degrees. You don't have thin plywood, or some cork backing, or bamboo straws like that. Don't buy, look at home, maybe there is something to stick in and try. Wood insulates heat well. In general, with a difference of 5 degrees, I would first put several toothpicks or wooden skewers on the whole bottom, on top - a solid plywood circle, so that there is a small gap below. Then, in this space under the plywood, an air environment uniform in temperature will be created. Air is the best insulator. And only then on top of this plywood, if necessary (or maybe not needed), then put these silicone substrates. Or try with a design like yours. Maybe it will turn out okay too, the main thing is that the temperature in all the banks is within the required limits.

Tanya, thanks, I didn't think of toothpicks and plywood - I'll try. Today I will try to experiment.

Olya, Tanya, I read all the messages very carefully, because I also have Moulinex with the same problems. I could not find just where you can buy a thermostat, please help with this question

Tan, Monochka - I always put the temperature difference on the thermostat - 1C - with both yogurt and sour cream - everything is OK, I did not notice any negative effect.
And besides, since the instructions indicate 1C - so why did the manufacturer write that? Well, isn't it just the way it is written? Why do they write instructions?
although it's up to everyone to stick or not
Tan, what cold it is in the jars - it won't cool down in any way - the jars in the yogurt maker (and even the lids are closed), the yogurt maker is closed with a lid - how does it turn into cold there

Irisha, so there the girl was not even 1 degree, but as much as 5 degrees made the difference. That is why I think that this is - well, too much.
And mine does not say in the instructions at all what the permissible minimum difference can be set. Someone writes that 0.5 is written, you have 1 degree, but in my instructions there is just a phrase: set the readings in such a way that the relay is excluded from triggering more than 1 minute. And how much - no. I reread it several times, almost to the holes. Probably, it depends on the specific device that will be connected through the thermostat, on the size of the air space that needs to be regulated, on the power of the heating element, on the heat in the room, perhaps. I just don't see much sense in setting 1 degree in myself, if even at 0.3 in my conditions listed above, nothing sticks. And let the others look according to their own conditions. And as for 1 degree it comes out, well, that's good.

Olya, Tanya, I read all the messages very carefully, because I also have Moulinex with the same problems. I could not find only where to buy a thermostat, please help me with this question

Lena, I ordered here.
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This is Ukraine, but they also ship to Russia. It seems that someone wrote that it is much cheaper than taking it in Russia, and it seems that you cannot find it there.
Olya, too, seems to have ordered it here, she will write herself, she is from Russia.

And, I didn't read it carefully - 5C is certainly not good enough, and 1C is the most it, in my opinion

Tanya, yes, everything is correct, I poked around, poked around the sites and to you for help!
You can still ask a question - and which carrier is better to deliver? they are all unknown to me on the list

Found instructions from my thermostat. I was a bit wrong - in the instructions, the temperature difference is 0.5C
I quote:
"It is not recommended to set the temperature difference at which frequent relay actuation occurs (less than 0.5C for RT-10 / P01). Frequent relay actuation leads to overheating and wear of the relay contacts, which can cause the relay to" stick "- the relay will not disconnect load "

I chose an acceptable option for myself - 1 C

Tanya, yes, everything is correct, I poked around, poked around the sites and to you for help!
you can also ask a question - and which carrier is better to deliver? they are all unknown to me on the list

Lena, the list that is there is - Ukrainian carriers, this is for Ukrainians, they probably do not go to Russia. There, under the sign, it is written that regarding payment and delivery in the CIS, it is necessary to contact them and clarify. Well, wait for Olya, she will tell you how she ordered and which company delivered.

Found instructions from my thermostat. I was a bit wrong - in the instructions, the temperature difference is 0.5C
I chose an acceptable option for myself - 1 C

You can try to do everything 0.5, and if you don't like it, you can always do 1 C again.

Maybe you can try to do 0.5, and if you don't like it, you can always do 1 C again.

Tanya, for your sake I'll try next time on sour cream

Olya, Tanya, I read all the messages very carefully, because I also have Moulinex with the same problems. I could not find just where you can buy a thermostat, please help with this question

Lena, I ordered from the link given by Tanya, the cost with delivery is $ 19 + $ 4 went for sending money. The thermostat came in 10 days. They send by mail, they immediately give a track number for tracking. Everything worked out very quickly and quickly.

Tanya, for your sake I'll try next time on sour cream

Girlfriend, cement!

Olya, Tanya, I read all the messages very carefully, because I also have Moulinex with the same problems. I could not find just where you can buy a thermostat, please help with this question

But it is not necessary to order in Ukraine, they are sold with us, you only need to know the places. The price is about the same as in Ukraine (it is necessary to count with all the additional costs - to the bank for money transfer, delivery). I will clarify whether it is possible to buy from you and at what price. If the answer is positive, I will throw the data in a personal

Hello everyone. I have moulinex 141 and a thermostat. There were no punctures, everything is fine.
the difference was set to 38-39 degrees

But it is not necessary to order in Ukraine, they are sold here too, you just need to know the places

oh, show me the cherished place!

Girls who have a thermostat, please tell me. I have a yogurt maker Moulinex 141 and bought a thermostat for her, the same as everyone else here - Ukrrele. After all my efforts, with great difficulty, I managed to set the temperature to 38.5 - 38.6, more than he refuses to respond to all my attempts to lower or increase the temperature, even the lower one, even the upper one. Is this already considered a marriage or am I doing something wrong? Within this temperature, the yoghurt maker is clearly switched on and off. I measured the temperature inside the yogurt maker with a temperature probe, next to the temperature probe sensor, so I have a discrepancy between the numbers on the thermostat and on the temperature probe - a difference of 2 degrees. So, if the numbers on the thermostat show 38.6, then on the temperature probe - 36 degrees. How critical is this? Indeed, at low temperatures, yogurt will not work, I have Lactin, the temperature is stated there. 38 - 40 degrees. How correctly the thermostat shows the data, m b. are there more accurate numbers, but does the temperature probe show less? I measured the temperature in a yogurt maker without a thermostat with this temperature probe, it shows 45 - 46 degrees. Obviously overheats, well, in most cases, yoghurt is obtained with whey, that's why I got a thermostat, but here's such a bad luck ... Suggest someone who has made good friends with the thermostat. Or maybe I’m trying to make a claim to the seller of the thermostat, for some reason he does not react at all to my attempts to raise the upper limit. Only these numbers are firmly remembered in it, but then how to reinstall if other settings are needed?

[Melanyushka]

Melanyushka
let's figure it out gradually
about the temperature difference between the thermostat and the temperature probe - most likely the second incorrectly shows, because according to the instructions, the thermostat is a fairly accurate device with an error of 0.5C
and besides, your temperature difference is too small - you need to set at least 0.5C (according to the instructions, I already wrote about this today)

And you are trying to change the temperature correctly - the temperature limit buttons (up and down arrows) must be held for at least 3 seconds - the readings on the display will blink) and then set the temperature

I tried to hold the "up" button, it starts blinking very often, but the values ​​do not change. Here's how I managed to expose this value in general - I myself am surprised. In the instructions I read "Set the settings when the load is off", I understand that only one thermostat should be plugged into the outlet, the sensor itself should not be leaned against, and start to set the desired upper and lower limits, right? Now I connected the yogurt maker through the thermostat, so it has cooled down altogether, although the "upper" figure 38.6 flashed on the thermostat. Maybe I'm in vain scared of this flickering when the button is held down, try to keep it longer? And do not connect the yogurt maker until I set the desired values?

Well, the numbers began to flicker - let go of the button and then with the Up button (if you change the upper range) you start to set the temperature - click, click, etc. to the desired value.
Try it, but what if it works out and I change the temperature when the yogurt maker is on.

Now I tried to change the temperature again, I set the lower limit to 38.0, and the upper limit does not lend itself to any - the numbers begin to flash more and more often, as soon as I release the button to immediately press it to change the values ​​- the figure freezes at the old value 38 , 6, clicks are made, but the readings do not change, and then stops blinking at all.

Melanyushka, and you try not to let go - as soon as they blinked - immediately click, click, click. When they stop flashing, the thermostat has already memorized the readings.

I just tried it - the value of the indicators does not change. Is it really a marriage? Here's the bottom indicator today so managed to change: it began to blink and clicks reduced to 38.0, but the top one cannot be raised. Doesn't respond to my clicks at all.

I don’t even know. Maybe it's a marriage
And try to reduce the upper limit (but only so that it remains more than the lower one)

Ira, down decreases normally! And up - in any way, it reaches 38.6 and that's it. I have already exhausted this today's yoghurt, there is already half a clot, and here my experiments with a thermostat ... -48 degrees, what kind of beneficial bacteria are there - one curdled yogurt.

Well then - write to the one you bought from, maybe they will change it.
Although, of course, it is strange - the lower limit changes, the upper limit only decreases
In my understanding, the upper limit should then not change at all. It is strange of course, but it is better to contact the seller - probably a marriage all the same.

I'll try, of course, although the chances are slim. This is the distributor of the company "Svoy Yogurt" in our city, she receives the parcels from there - the leaven, and so I asked for a thermostat. I don’t know, will he take it back? I don’t have any documents: I give her money, she gives me a box of starter cultures and a thermostat.

I think if she doesn't want to spoil her reputation, she will take it.You, too, have nothing to do with - you were sold a defective copy (which means that they did not check it before the sale).

I don’t even know. Maybe it's true marriage
And try to reduce the upper limit (but only so that it remains more than the lower one)

Or maybe it was not a marriage, but when a small difference of 0.1 C was set, exactly what was written about on the previous page happened - contacts sticking, maybe the upper temperature was hanging there, well, that's how the computer hangs. Maybe not to touch it for a couple of three days, Let it lie down, can it somehow demagnetize and unstick this contact from the upper value and will it be normal? I'm not a specialist in technology, just a guess, but suddenly he will rest and everything will return to normal. And then it's a shame so, like Melanyushka tried to get everything for a delicious yogurt, but it doesn't come out.

I'll try, of course, although the chances are slim. This is the distributor of the company "Svoy Yogurt" in our city, she receives the parcels from there - the leaven, and so I asked for a thermostat. I don’t know, will he take it back? After all, I have no documents: I give her money, she gives me a box of starter cultures and a thermostat.

The most important document is not even a warranty card, many do not give it to equipment, and the most important thing is a sales receipt. If you have one, you can go and demand a replacement or a refund, especially if 14 days have not passed from the date of purchase (we have such terms in Ukraine, I don’t know in Russia).

Within this temperature, the yogurt maker is clearly switched on and off.:

Tanya, you see, is working. If the contacts were stuck, it would be heated to the maximum temperature, since the thermostat could not turn off. So this is hardly the reason.

The most important document is not even a warranty card, many do not give it to equipment, and the most important thing is a sales receipt. If you have one, you can go and demand a replacement or a refund, especially if 14 days have not passed from the date of purchase (we have such terms in Ukraine, I don’t know in Russia).

We have the same rules, you can change within 14 days, but I don't have a check in my hands. She somehow believed the representative, even during the transfer of the goods she asked her that the goods were checked or not, she replied that now she did not have a yogurt maker - she could not check herself. I can't get through to her yet, the phone doesn't answer.
But is the thermostat subject to repair? Maybe it's just where to include in the service, are they being repaired or not?

Those who know him, with repairs - we would probably have repaired, the manufacturer is Ukrainian.
Talk to a representative - but what if

So why exactly the yogurt maker when checking - for setting the temperature, and so it could be checked.

Tanya, you see, is working. If the contacts were stuck, it would be heated to the maximum temperature, since the thermostat could not turn off. So this is hardly the reason.

Irisha, you know, I'm trying to remember, I had something similar once, at the very beginning, I also tried to install it, but I was in a hurry somewhere. And the numbers didn't move. But I either made and lowered the lower limit lower than the actual temperature when the yogurt maker was turned on, or I tried to raise it without raising the upper limit and my lower limit seemed to hit the upper one. It was already a long time ago, but immediately after that, it finally stopped responding, either one of the limits was frozen, or the yogurt maker was cut out and did not turn on, the memory is almost retirement age, I don’t remember. But then I remember that I was terribly scared, cut everything out. A couple of days have passed, already in Ukrrel I wanted to write and order a new one, without a regulator, it’s not life, I’ve already got used to a daily jar of yogurt. I decided to complain to my husband about my grief. I'll tell him and turn it on in order to demonstrate clearly what exactly does not fury. I look - and everything is fine, all buttons react. I was so happy! But now if I install it, then I am not in a hurry, the yogurt maker is turned off and I change the upper and lower values ​​so that they do not "run over" each other.I have this, I think, because of this happened.

Maybe I did it too. Now I put the thermostat in a box, let it lie down, maybe it’s true, in 2-3 days it will be repaired by itself, there’s nowhere to go, eh ... Tomorrow I’ll buy milk and I will experiment with napkins-cardboard, and in fact, in a slow one I have it seems like yogurt turned out, well, it also overheated a little, but I tried to heat it myself - it seemed that the water had cooled down, but the principle of a thermos is obtained in a slow bottle.
And I wanted everything to be like people do: yogurt in a yogurt maker turned out, in small portioned jars, conveniently and culturally so ...