Panasonic SD-2500, SD-2501, SD-2502 (2)

In my opinion, Mona1, wrote that the bakery uses dry yeast ...

Yes, it was.

The first time I put the yeast in the bread dispenser did not work, the second time I put the saf-moment yeast, flour, salt, sugar, milk powder, butter, eggs, water on the bottom - the result exceeded expectations !!! I, as a "blonde", now think, still try through a dispenser or better to bake as it turns out))

Try again - it will work! I baked bread many times and put dry (fast-acting) yeast into the dispenser all the time. I never let the dispenser down. And bread always came out well from simple wheat to rye. No wonder you bought a stove with a dispenser? Good luck to you!

[Kukla]

only one thing - add flour a little bit ... soon you will learn to add enough flour so that when you turn the mixer, it envelops the dough ball.

Although I'm not a genius, I will also offer my own 5 kopecks.
During kneading, there are frequent stops, pauses, so that the bun, as it were, collapsed, changed the plane. It rotates in all planes at once. And again the mess. Then another pause. And at this moment I do NOT add, but I sprinkle flour on the sticky bun, its entire surface turned up. At the start of the scapula, the flour does not fly anywhere, but wraps up to the bottom. Having got used to it, having gained skill, I now sprinkle flour on the surface of the bun. You've probably already guessed that there is no torment on me. And when I was all in flour, like the heating elements, did you guess too? Yeah, when I poured flour onto the bottom of the bucket WHEN kneading. And you say: "potatoonka", a towel "
The current is incomprehensible to me: I do not remember when I stopped adding flour! Well, no need for that! And that's it.
As for the taste of the bread ... I notice the difference. Well, I'm not guilty! Gourmet, I guess.
Yeast. Dry 11 gr. they seem to cost 8 or 9 rubles. The package goes for two pastries (remains, some minuscule). Pressed 50g. packaging costs, I do not remember, 2 rubles with kopecks in Okey or in the Ribbon. He was not involved in economics. I'm interested in the process. Respectfully all!
Kukla , but spit on this dispenser! I specifically bought without these bells and whistles and feel very good.

[Wit]

Wit, you, of course, done well with your reasoning, but why Kukla will spit on a dispenser if bought with a dispenser ...
Very comfortable with him! Let him bake bread automatically, many people like it. Especially if the stove is still new!

[Wit]

Wit, you, of course, done well with your reasoning, but why Kukla will spit on a dispenser if bought with a dispenser ...
Very comfortable with him! Let him bake bread automatically, many people like it. Especially if the stove is still new!

The case is beautiful! It’s not her fault that the dispensers were still in there. Just kidding! I mean, let her at least try some good bread at last. And then it will play enough with dispensers. I'm just kidding again. Well, what are you, Lagri, you want from me - dispenser-free. And it’s not an automatic machine at all, but a semiautomatic device. That's when the dispensers for flour, liquid, salt, sugar and butter are poured into the bread machine, and the lid will be self-opening at the moment of readiness and the breads from the bread machine are so vzhzhzhzhzhzhzhzh-shvaaark and ... right on the grill shshshmb put in advance! This will be on the machine.
And so there is a mockery of a person, not automatic. I'm waiting for a swarm of sneakers to my address and after 3 hours I will delete the comment. Maybe Rina it will do it before. I got wet today, it was such a rain

[Lagri]

The case is beautiful! It’s not her fault that the dispensers were still in there. Just kidding! I mean, let her at least try some good bread at last.And then it will play enough with dispensers. I'm just kidding again. Well, what are you, Lagri, you want from me - dispenser-free. And it’s not an automatic machine at all, but a semiautomatic device. That's when the dispensers for flour, liquid, salt, sugar and butter are poured into the bread machine, and the lid will be self-opening at the moment of readiness and the breads from the bread machine are so vzhzhzhzhzhzhzhzh-shvaaark and ... right on the grill shshshmb put in advance! This will be on the machine.
And so there is a mockery of a person, not automatic. I'm waiting for a swarm of sneakers to my address and after 3 hours I will delete the comment. Maybe Rina it will do it before. I got wet today, it was such a rain

And we will recline, and instead of teeth we have a self-chewing device, then a self-swallowing device, etc. Maybe it will come to the "baby process"? Pah-pah-pah!

I specifically bought without these bells and whistles and feel very good.

I was also guided by the choice.

And we will recline, and instead of teeth we have a self-chewing device, then a self-swallowing device, etc. Maybe it will come to the "baby process"? Pah-pah-pah!

And the happy owners of dispensers are two steps ahead to this state - they already have two bells and whistles more!
Pah-pah-pah!

Joke!

I was also guided by the choice.

And I, too, and besides that, the design seemed too harsh and impractical to me. I have already looked at my everlasting stainless steel pepper grinder.

And I, too, and besides that, the design seemed too harsh and impractical to me. I have already looked at my everlasting stainless steel pepper grinder.

She spoke for me!

oh, I myself am for and against any excesses. But people's situations are different. Each option has its own right to exist.

Someone is obliged that the stove fits into the ensemble, then people do not pay attention to extra costs and extra bells and whistles.
Someone thinks that he has really crooked handles, so complete automation is needed.
Someone needs to be able to bake with seeds and raisins, but a person knows that he will have no time to watch the batch and signals.
And someone knows that there is no need for excesses.

oh, I myself am for and against any excesses. But people's situations are different. Each option has its own right to exist.

Someone is obliged that the stove fits into the ensemble, then people do not pay attention to extra costs and extra bells and whistles.
Someone thinks that he has really crooked handles, so complete automation is needed.
Someone needs to be able to bake with seeds and raisins, but a person knows that he will have no time to watch the batch and signals.
And someone knows that there is no need for excesses.

Well, how does she do it? This is not the first time I've noticed such a rare feature of Rina. We can all argue with each other on some issue just to the point of hoarseness, no one gives in. And she so tactfully wedges in and calmly and thoroughly settles everything in a few sentences. And after that somehow I don't even want to insist on my own.
Rina, you are our helmsman!

[Rina]

Why argue then? Whoever dreamed of something, he bought it from mine and design, and all the "bells and whistles" like it and the other is not necessary. Now if only she worked for a long time.

Someone thinks that he has really crooked handles, so complete automation is needed.

Rina, only my handles are not crooked)))

Why argue then? Whoever dreamed of something, he bought it from mine and design, and all the "bells and whistles" like it and the other is not necessary. Now if only she worked for a long time.

I’m talking about it!
I, too, when I decided to change the stove, was aimed at the 257 model. And they, once, and disappeared! I took 2501, because there was a share on them, and they cost the same from 2500. Brought - where to bet? In the same place, the lid does not open - you have to move it every time. But everything ended well, and I am happy, and my husband was pleased with the new shelf.
It's so good that everything ends well. Now I'm not overjoyed at Panasik. (I have an association with such a "vuyka Opanas z vusy and oseledtsom".)

Nostalgy! (to tears).

Here I read and read, almost all for some reason pour flour into the HP during the kneading of the dough. What for? Is all the flour specified in the recipe taken into the dough at once? And then add more addition? I am still "afraid" to look into the HP during the process, I open the lid only when the oven itself asks for it (either add the raisins, or take out the finished loaf). Somehow I don't want to break the temperature regime of the stove. Therefore, the question arose, how important is adding flour during kneading?

[TV-lad]

TV-lad For 3.5 years now I have been baking bread without adding flour, without looking after the bun. I have other things to do
I bake according to recipes from the forum. And why do double work, if the authors of the recipes and forum participants did it for me, I completely trust them

At the moment, I haven't poured a drop, but ... We have several flour mills, and its quality depends directly on the grain they use. Flour can be with different moisture content, different gluten. Yes, even at home, depending on the weather, it can either damp or dry out. I very often bake according to my wishes and products. And if I wanted to put the remaining cottage cheese or porridge from breakfast, mashed potatoes in bread. then, accordingly, a different amount of flour will also go. I strictly weigh only the yeast, and everything else by eye. You can say I have such a feeling. Nobody canceled the kolobok rule, so I look at it on occasion. I can say with confidence that not a single bread was given to the dogs because it simply did not work out. T-t-t.

[TV-lad,]

TV-lad, It is not only possible, but also necessary to look into the bread maker at the kneading stage! Do you really think that our mothers-grandmothers-great-grandmothers baked bread, observing the recipe and temperature regime with an accuracy of some grams and degrees? Correct bread dough forgives peeping, poking with a finger, and even grabbing with fingers (my child even managed to grab a handful of dough at the stage of proofing, and nothing, then completely normal bread turned out).

Flour may require a different amount of water depending on its own moisture content and quality. For me, for 500 g of wheat flour, at different times it takes from 290 (it was 280) to 340 ml. Therefore, you have to control the bun. All links to the kolobok are in the first message of the topic click on this inscription, the chest will open.

Please read the materials recommended in the first message of the topic, then a lot of questions will disappear by themselves.

Hm! M-yeah! And I did not know about such subtleties. Thank you Rina! And I stopped adding flour that's why. Watching the kolobok, I was nervous about the mess at the bottom of the bucket. So he strove to cover this whole puddle with flour. Which I did. And then he gathered his nerves into a fist and watched the whole batch to the end. And what do you think? Right! The bottom at the end of the batch was clean, without dough residues and puddles. And the bun is super! Here!

and with milk, the bun is very cool at first ...

indeed, it is not necessary to control it entirely from the beginning. and after a few minutes. All comes with experience.

I'll tell you a secret, I often knead with the lid of the bread machine open. Then you can see whether my intervention is required or not. If I suddenly change the recipe (as it was yesterday) or flour (for example, from a new batch, another manufacturer, etc.), then I control the kneading at least a couple of times. And then, after making sure of the quality of flour or adjusting the amount of water, I bake everything on the machine.

[Rina]

Thank you, colleagues, for the answers!
I realized for myself: if I make ordinary bread according to a recipe from HP with approximately the same source code, then there is no need to add flour. And if you want to be creative, then the kolobok rule (which I read before registering on the forum) will be needed.

PS. But I'll still follow the link from Rina

It's interesting when the Japanese designed and tested their HP, they also watched the kolobok and touched it, comparing it with the well-known part of the samurai's body.That's strange, the flour in the Panasonic recipe book is Japanese, but everything turns out on flour from Russia, and the humidity is not moisture ...maybe it's all "woe from wits"?

It's interesting when the Japanese designed and tested their HP, they also watched the kolobok and touched it, comparing it with the known part of the samurai's body That's strange, the flour in the recipe book for Panasonic is Japanese, but everything turns out on flour from Russia, and the moisture is not moisture ... maybe is it all "woe from wits"?

A samurai does not have such a body part. This is the samurai.
Finally, it is not written in the recipe book that the flour is Japanese. We bought a wagon of flour of one batch and one moisture content and carried out tests. An obvious cant! Or ratsuhu some thread the Japanese wrote: test the current on one batch and humidity. And there the Slavs themselves will admit that it is necessary to monitor and stir. They do not follow the instructions.

Well, we had GOST, that is, ash content, moisture content, etc. I think that the recipe is designed for some average, some kind of standard. And the fact that we have a bacchanalia with quality, how can the Japanese know?

That's strange, the flour in the recipe book for Panasonic is Japanese, but everything turns out with flour from Russia, and the humidity is not humidity ... maybe it's all "woe from wits"?

I think they just tested it on our flour. There are no wheat fields in Japan. They simply cannot afford this because of the scarcity of territory. They even have the rooms in which they live, in size closer to the TV box than to the living quarters.

I think they just tested it on our flour. There are no wheat fields in Japan. They simply cannot afford this because of the scarcity of territory. They even have the rooms in which they live, closer in size to a TV box than to a living space.

Here I am about it

I wonder when the Japanese designed and tested their HP, they also watched the kolobok and touched it, comparing it to the famous part of the samurai's body?

It may well be that the optimal proportions were calculated. And it may also be that at the dawn of the appearance of CP in Russia (they came to us in Vladivostok from Japan in a second-hand state, those who used, probably, selected the ratio of flour and water just topping, because it was unlikely that CP was given to manual), the users of these machines "did not trust" the technique of such a magical thing as baking, which is why the rule of the kolobok turned out.

There are no wheat fields in Japan.

There are wheat fields in Japan, but, of course, not in such quantity as rice checks. In addition to this, Japan imports wheat. So they had and still have something to test. There is also a standard for grain in the world, which Russia, as an exporter of grain, is simply obliged to adhere to. Well, and the fact that inside Russia different torments happen - no one argues with that ...

[Bts]

Good day, friends! :) Here, I am now looking at the 2502 model, and I had a question. On one of the shopping sites I found as many as 3 such models: Panasonic SD-ZB2502Bts; Panasonic SDZB2502BXE; Panasonic SD-ZB2502WTS ... Confusing - what's the difference besides labeling? Well, I found a difference in the second model - the presence of a viewing window, the desire of which was written in part 1 of the topic. Maybe anyone using any of this would be grateful for any advice / recommendation

These models should not have a viewing window (this is a yeast dispenser in all models for sure, I don't know why they write about the presence of a viewing window) and should not differ in anything. And the last letters indicate the delivery area.

[Bts]

Good day, friends! :) Here, I am looking closely at the model 2502 now, and I had a question. On one of the shopping sites I found as many as 3 such models: Panasonic SD-ZB2502Bts; Panasonic SDZB2502BXE; Panasonic SD-ZB2502WTS ... Confusing - what's the difference besides labeling? Well, I found a difference in the second model - the presence of a viewing window, the desire of which was written in part 1 of the topic. Maybe anyone using any of this would be grateful for any advice / recommendation

A lot of things will be written on the sites. Example from one site:
"The body of the Panasonic SD-ZB2502 bread makerWTS made of polished stainless steel. Model colors - steel gray and white"Apparently White is White.
Ibid:
"The body of the Panasonic SD-ZB2502 bread makerBts made of polished stainless steel. Model colors - steel gray and black (the bottom and the area near the display are painted in this tone) "Here Black - the black.
This is from here: 🔗
The manufacturer himself is silent about the rest of the letters, believing that their meaning is not to the consumer's mind. Have you visited the manufacturer's website?
About the viewing window - throw a link. I would like to look at this "miracle".

A lot of things will be written on the sites. Example from one site:
"The body of the Panasonic SD-ZB2502 bread makerWTS made of polished stainless steel. Model colors - steel gray and white"Apparently White is White.
Ibid:
"The body of the Panasonic SD-ZB2502 bread makerBts made of polished stainless steel. Model colors - steel-gray and black (the bottom and the area near the display are painted in this tone) "Here Black - the black.
This is from here: 🔗
The manufacturer himself is silent about the rest of the letters, believing that their meaning is not to the consumer's mind. Have you visited the manufacturer's website?
About the viewing window - throw a link. I would like to look at this "miracle".

It's really SO VERY interesting to see this viewing window!

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Stove model link
🔗
True, there is only 1 photo, and it can hardly be an indicator. Simply, unlike other models, this one indicates the presence of a window.
Thanks for the answers :) P.S. I went to the manufacturer's website, read, even leafed through several foreign missions. And, apparently, this model was not intended for us.


Reason for editing: active (clickable) links to external resources prohibited!

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Stove model link
🔗
True, there is only 1 photo, and it can hardly be an indicator. Simply, unlike other models, this one indicates the presence of a window.
Thanks for the answers :) P.S. I went to the manufacturer's website, read, even leafed through several foreign missions. And, apparently, this model was not intended for us.


Reason for editing: active (clickable) links to external resources prohibited!

: girl_cray: Well, this is the yeast dispenser

for a week I bake bread with fresh yeast, the difference with dry yeast is striking. Thanks a lot to everyone for the tips!

Urrraaaaaa !! Our shelf of fresh yeast lovers has arrived !!!

And yet she turns (s)

And yet there is a difference !!!

for a week I bake bread with fresh yeast, the difference with dry yeast is striking. Thanks a lot to everyone for the tips!

Oh, how I understand you!

for a week I bake bread with fresh yeast, the difference with dry yeast is striking. Thanks a lot to everyone for the tips!

And then you need to try to bake bread on ripe dough. Or is it already friendship with him?

And then the oven is on the hearth, and then also under the lid ..

Yes ... there is still not so much aheadoftasted))

And then you need to try to bake bread on ripe dough. Or is it already friendship with him?

I have been friends with him for a year soon ... a wonderful thing

And then the oven is on the hearth, and then also under the lid ..

I've already read about the stone and included it in my endless list of Dreams, but here's where you can read about the lid. So far, I don't really drive in, what and how?
PS. Dear Moderators-Organizers, pliz, add a smiley "about scratching a turnip"!

Colleagues, my morning began with an adventure. I open my HP and see that the spider is climbing the bucket, and from above the whole bucket is so thickly covered with cobwebs. No, well, when did you manage? And don't think that I haven't looked there for months. I bake regularly every day, sometimes twice. During the night, perhaps, navayal, and sho he wanted to catch there in a closed HP? Flies there, or something, fly. In general, the spider made me laugh.

I'm not overjoyed at my HP (2502 model). The first bread (milk) turned out with a fallen top crust, we ourselves were to blame because we did not dare to lift the lid of the HP and see the bun. Well, the first bread was made with dry yeast.It turned out all the same tasty, but something was missing. We made the second bread competently - using pressed yeast and watching the bun! This is the bread! all loaves - bread! Tall, beautiful, with proper porosity and without the haunting yeast aroma that is present when baked goods are made with dry yeast (although this may be my personal glitch)! The only problem that I have is the aroma that fills the whole apartment, and we bake bread in the evenings so that we can get it out of the stove and go to bed. How hard it is to fall asleep when there is such a smell! I also baked rye-wheat bread, everything worked out too, even my husband liked it, although he doesn't eat black bread at all! In general, I am happy with everything, like an elephant!
On my own behalf, I want to note that if it were not for the favorable price for this model, I would have chosen the 2501 model (as I had planned before), since I do not need a yeast dispenser anyway, of the advantages only a stainless steel case. In general, I was very interested in sourdough bread.

Colleagues, my morning began with an adventure. I open my HP and see that the spider is climbing the bucket, and from above the whole bucket is so thickly covered with cobwebs. No, well, when did you manage? And don't think that I haven't looked there for months. I bake regularly every day, sometimes twice. During the night, perhaps, navayal, and sho he wanted to catch there in a closed HP? Flies there, or something, fly. In general, the spider made me laugh.

Tanya, because of the forest supplies, whoever did not visit me. But they haven't settled in a bread machine yet. How hospitable you are!

Tanya, because of the forest supplies, whoever did not visit me. But they haven't settled in a bread machine yet. How hospitable you are!

But yesterday I only baked bread, however, only kneading and proofing, and baked in the oven. But, apparently, everything is very tasty at Panasonic, that even the spiders want to settle there. And my husband says: Don't kill him, he harmonizes the space. I shook it into the sink and removed the cobweb. In general, I had harmony in the bucket in the morning.

It's finished! I've been baking bread in a 2502 bread maker for a week now.
Very tasty! Tried half of the recipes, everything is super!

And the dispenser is not at all as loud as many people write.
If, for example, we compare it with our dishwasher, then her pill flies out much louder ...

It's finished! I've been baking bread in a 2502 bread maker for a week now.
Very tasty! Tried half of the recipes, everything is super!

Congratulations on your successful purchase! I bought mine, too, not long ago and am very happy!

And the dispenser is not at all as loud as many people write.

And so it seemed to me