Order of bookmarking products

[Gennadii]

Gennadii
And this is so fundamentally WHAT presses on the oil seal ??? Mass water + flour and flour + different water ??? It is not clear, but I want clarity!

Today I came to Moscow for a couple of days on a visit, and immediately went to the All-Russian Exhibition Center in the House of Bread. The saleswoman asked what kind of oven I had and when she learned that Panasonic 255, she advised me never to start laying with flour, but always with water. She said that because of this, their second furnace had already gone to be repaired. So I will probably start with water.

Such statements of the saleswoman are from the same opera as the advice of cleaning ladies from the clinic about treatment.
There are manufacturer's recommendations. Why do you think that the engineers and developers of Panasonic are more stupid than the saleswoman from the housekeeper?

[Gennadii]

- Yes, but not quite. Panas - withstands time to equalize the temperatures of ingredients - other c / p - no. Moreover, if you pour water to the bottom, it will press on the oil seal all this time, and if you pour flour down and water on it, the water will press on the flour - and this is true only for Panasonic - it does not matter for other cotton products. Developers x / p Panasonic probably have heads.
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If you pour water to the bottom of a Panasonic bucket, the oil seal will fail more often!

Gennadii, as a mechanic with many years of experience, I find it funny to read this. Oil seals, even those in HP, are designed to withstand high pressure, temperature and motion. And in this case, the magnitude of the pressure on the oil seal when the HP is standing is scanty, it can be neglected ...
By the way, my HP also has modes with alignment, and the boot order is the opposite of Panasonic ...

[LOSS]

LOSS, well, she told you nonsense ... There are enough Panasonic owners on the forum. It has been working for more than one year, everyone probably has different oil seals ...

God forbid me to argue ... she just scared me, so I decided to ask advice.

God forbid me to argue ... she just scared me, so I decided to ask advice.

It must have been a young girl. I turned to her for advice several times. I don't think she knows anything about bread at all.

[Gennadii]

Gennadii, as a mechanic with many years of experience, I find it funny to read this. Oil seals, even those in HP, are designed to withstand high pressure, temperature and motion. And in this case, the magnitude of the pressure on the oil seal when the HP is standing is scanty, it can be neglected ...
By the way, my HP also has modes with alignment, and the boot order is the opposite of Panasonic ...

I agree with you completely, but somewhere on the forum they even quoted from the instructions to Panasonic about the flow, no other bread machine has such a warning. Accordingly, only Panas has a special bookmarking order. So the manufacturer knows this weakness and is reinsured. Everything is reasonable.

I agree with you completely, but somewhere on the forum they even quoted from the instructions to Panasonic about the flow, no other bread machine has such a warning. Accordingly, only Panas has a special bookmarking order. So the manufacturer knows this weakness and is reinsured. Everything is reasonable.

There is no mention of any leakage in the instructions ... I did not find one. I sometimes (often) if baking ends late in the evening, the bucket is filled with water all night and nothing, thank God, has happened to it yet.

I agree with you completely, but somewhere on the forum they even quoted from the instructions to Panasonic about the flow, no other bread machine has such a warning. Accordingly, only Panas has a special bookmarking order.So the manufacturer knows this weakness and is reinsured. Everything is reasonable.

Look at the instructions on page 26. "Problems and solutions" p.2.

[LaraN]

LaraN, we read carefully:

"A small amount of dough will flow out of the vents (however, the rotating parts will not stop rotating). This is not a malfunction.but sometimes you need to make sure that the kneading shaft rotates correctly. "

Is this happening? If not, why raise a panic and ring the bells ... Problems must be solved as they come ...

so i am not saying that follows... just even if there is such probability, and the manufacturer knows about it, this option should be provided in order to prevent legal claims. I suspect that this is a purely theoretical problem and applies to all bread makers, but only Panas was reinsured by changing the order of the bookmark.

[Lazy]

Lazy, but do not bother you At the Ski, for example, the bookmark is: water, flour, salt, sugar, butter, yeast. Moulinex has a different - Water, salt, sugar, butter, flour, yeast. At Panasonic: yeast, flour, then everything else, water. Each manufacturer comes up with its own
But from the point of view of yeast dough - flour first, then everything else. Here in a biscuit - first eggs, then sugar and flour.

[LaraN]

LaraN, we read carefully:

"A small amount of dough will flow out of the vents (however, the rotating parts will not stop rotating). This is not a malfunction.but sometimes you need to make sure that the kneading shaft rotates correctly. "

Is this happening? If not, why raise a panic and ring the bells ... Problems must be solved as they come ...

Why are you sticking to me? I just gave a link to the instruction paragraph. All your comments to the manufacturer !!!

Once again, we read carefully and learn to understand what is written correctly.

Once again, we read carefully and learn to understand what is written correctly.

There is no smoke without fire. Here read and understand how you think necessary instructions for your HP. And I use HP as recommended by the HP manufacturer and am not going to invent anything.

[This is not a malfunction.]

Somewhere when something, one of thousands of Piglet's HP flowed ...
And as is customary in the West, the manufacturers decided that it was better to overdo it than not to overdo it and introduced this item into the instructions, noting
This is not a malfunction., which I emphasized in my post. You shouldn't have panicked and pointed out to everyone what might not happen. This is just what it meant, you will not always be chewed on technical documentation.
The rest is a figment of imagination and sick pride.
Everyone understands to the extent of their depravity ...

In the instructions for my MAESTRO bread maker, there are no clear recommendations on the order in which the products are placed. How to lay them ???

Standard: liquid, flour, yeast in a depression in flour

kinski, and in Panasonic everything is the other way around - first yeast and everything is dry, and then liquid on top. Now we will advise a person ...

And what's the difference how to lay ... the sum does not change from changing the terms ... especially since the bookmark affects more with a delayed start ...

This topic has already been discussed.
Personally, I came to the conclusion that the result is exactly the same, with different methods of bookmarking the ingredients.

Now I know ! I seriously thought it mattered, since different bread makers are different

Until the moment when I found this site and began to read wise advice for hours, I did not adhere to any rules at all ... I, for example, mixed water, sugar, salt and added yeast to this solution. I waited 10 minutes until the yeast began to "ferment" and poured this liquid into a bucket. There has never been a bad result.
But still I want to do it as expected.

[andiksen]

andiksen, the fact is that Panas has an almost mandatory function - Warming up.If yeast is mixed with water and left on the mode with this function - you will have a brick You, apparently, do not have this function - that's why everything worked out Although, you rightly noted - you still need to lay it correctly

I often bake bread on the timer.

I ask you to explain in a popular way the principle of timing, according to the instructions I can't understand what's what, if it doesn't make it difficult of course
thank you.

I can't say for all HP, on Moulinex (although I think that on all the others too) you set on the timer exactly as much time as you need READY bread. That is, if you get up at 8 am, then at 12 am, roughly speaking, set the timer to 8 hours. If not right, they will correct me.

thanks, I will try.
in fact, there are a lot of questions, I will understand and try not to bore the public with questions, but there is no experience in baking at all, so one hope for this site

Anjelochka answered you correctly above.

I ask you to explain in a popular way the principle of timing, according to the instructions I can't understand what's what, if it doesn't make it difficult of course
thank you.

Of course it will not be difficult, everything is very simple. If you need bread by a certain time, well, for example, it is now 23 o'clock, and bread is needed by 7 o'clock in the morning, then set 8 hours (1 hour before 24 hours and +7 hours = 8 hours). Actually, someone here gave a table on the time of calculating the timer, hourly, so as not to count it yourself, but where, I can not find. I think it's all simple and you can handle it yourself. It is advisable to put bread on the timer with an already worked out recipe, since you cannot track the bun.

Only the bread itself turned out to be painfully wheat, like a bun, probably nada or a little more water or first grade flour, what do you think?

What was the recipe for baking? If with the addition of milk, then it is more like a roll, if only on water, then bread is like bread ... Wheat bread. You don't seriously think that you can get rye bread from wheat flour?

The recipe is the very first in the book for the stove, on the water. I can't get rye yet, the problem is with the presence of flour, it is not in stores

Girls !!! I also want a bread maker. I saw a video showing the order of baking bread. It seemed to me that all that was required of me was to put all the products at once and press the button - and then all that was left was to take out the finished bread! But doubts gradually crept in, maybe I should also wait until she kneads it all in order to add another ingredient on the list, I mean the simplest white bread. It's just that my main desire is to lay everything at once, press the button and forget about the readiness until the beep!

[NAT555]

NAT555 Everything is as simple as they laid it in a strap and forgot to remember only by the aroma and knocking of neighbors to stop this "disgrace" with seduction and salivation

[NAT555]

NAT555 Everything is as simple as they laid it in a strap and forgot to remember only by the aroma and knocking of neighbors to stop this "disgrace" with seduction and salivation

Thank you! And they say there are models where it is impossible to turn off the additional bookmark signal. ingredients! And if I put on the night until the morning? And you have a cuckoo too, I'm looking! I pick myself a bread maker and a pressure cooker too! I really look at cuckoos. and how do they show themselves in baking - bread, biscuit?

[NAT555]

NAT555 Panasonic with a dispenser has no signal for adding additional ingredients at all. Only the end of the program. No bread was baked into kuku, and neither was the biscuit. Pies like manna and charlotte turn out just great
Here is a selection of recipes https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&board=465.0

[NAT555]

NAT555 Panasonic with a dispenser has no signal for adding additional ingredients at all. Only the end of the program. No bread was baked into kuku, and neither was the biscuit. Pies like manna and charlotte turn out just great
Here is a selection of recipes https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&board=465.0

Tell me, is the top of baking cookies the same as in Panas - white or something ...?

[NAT555]

NAT555 the top is light like all multicookers, the dark top bakes Panasonic's HP even darker DeLonghi EOB 2071 https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=143917.0