fffuntic
I won't say anything about the meat grinder. I do not use it, I have a separate domestic one, but like a beast, I have it. In bosha, the meat grinder is set very low, but the main thing, to be honest, still this harvester does not make the impression of being unkillable, I’m scared to twist meat on it, suddenly it will have cartilage or bone, I’ll ditch the harvester when my meat grinder cost 1.5 its time, and now there are 3-4 thousand, not higher.
But maybe I'm just panicking. Let the other users of the combine answer you on the meat grinder question.
optimist
fffunticwell, pralna
Knor
The meat grinder is weak. I just twist the breasts on it, I'm afraid of heavy meat. A thin entrance from above, only in small pieces it turns out. I put it on the edge of the countertop, the bowl from the bottom. Or an even and low plate, since it is low. I have a mum 5, a model with cubes.
Deer pussy
And I really like the meat grinder, quickly twist the meat, and chicken, and pork, and veal, I would not say that I feel sorry for her, I twist from 5 kg of meat at a time. I decided that I didn't need a separate meat grinder. Boshik has everything, and so several devices take up a lot of space. In general, probably everyone has their own opinion, who likes it more and who is used to what.
fffuntic
Boshik would also cost at least 6 thousand, then I would not be afraid either. And when he now scales for 20 pieces, then his hands are shaking to connect the meat grinder. One bone in the meat and a truncated .. an expensive unit will break.
Therefore, Boshik cannot be replaced for a pastry chef and bread, and let him do this.
And on meat I save his strength. With fright and greed.
Maybe not right, I don't argue.
Deer pussy
fffuntic, Lenochka, you are probably reinsuring yourself, but of course, it will be a pity if it breaks. You know, when you cut meat, you can cut the bones. And so the parents had several meat grinders, but in the combine the meat grinder is not inferior in speed to them
fffuntic
Actually, I love Boshik, among other things, for its graceful forms, quiet work.
But with a meat grinder, too, the same garbage as with graters and whisks.
For complete happiness, there are not enough gratings if used intensively. That is, you have to buy more.
When you start using the harvester, you find that the basic delivery does not contain any simple pribluds, namely very popular ones.
Olya, and you get by with the lattice in the delivery, or did you buy additional ones?
optimist
and I lick my lips at this model - Bosch MUM54251
fffuntic
this is the model that I have.
I additionally bought a flexi whisk (a disc for mixing thick dough creams) and a disc-julienne (I have it as an average grater) and also a disc for potato pancakes (this is my family's preference).
Above, in a pile of posts, I indicated that, after all, I quickly threw a large nozzle away with a meat grinder and use a small blender with cubes (this one comes with an average grater initially) and still has an alligator (it was presented later).

I advise you not to buy without looking on the Internet, but first go to the store and look with your eyes at the dimensions, at the assembly and decide whether you will do it every day. How much it will be in demand for your family.
You may find it more convenient to use a standard vegetable cutter from another model.
Because cubes on an alligator or nyser are also obtained very quickly, but there you can also use straws)))



optimist
fffuntic, thanks for the advice
Deer pussy
fffuntic, Lena, do you mean the grill in the meat grinder? I use the one in the kit, but I bought two more other sizes, but I haven't used them yet.
And I also wanted to say about extra.nozzles, no one used the nozzle - press for fruits and berries? This year I tried it on berries, I really liked it, only dry cake with seeds goes to scrap, and all the most valuable remains




optimist, Lenusya, there is no need to lick your lips, you have to look, choose and take, you will not regret
fffuntic
yeah, gorgeous stray.
I also look at her.

don't ... have to choose. I regret that I took this particular model with cubes. It's completely irrelevant to me in a small family. And it takes up a lot of space. It was necessary to take without cubes)))
And when buying, understand that you will have to buy a complete set if you take the model in the basic kit.

I really need Boshik's pastry functions. And the rest were not very much in demand - because the family is small and I cannot put the combine on the table so as not to drag it back and forth.
and washing and drying a huge bandura - a cube cutter for the sake of one plate of slicing - is more fuss than to do with your hands.
A standard vegetable cutter would be more convenient for me than that of other models
Deer pussy
Quote: fffuntic

don't ... have to choose. I regret that I took this particular model with cubes. It's completely irrelevant to me in a small family. And it takes up a lot of space. It was necessary to take without cubes)))
Yeah, and I took a model without a cube cutter, but it nailed me that I needed it, bought it ... and that this bandura is now lying (but I can't call it otherwise)
fffuntic
Yes, that's just in my model, to grate a couple of carrots, you need to put this bandura and wash and dry all of it afterwards.
And you have a small standard vegetable cutter that is sleeker and easier to clean.
and if you buy it separately, it somehow turns out too irrationally. We have already discussed this issue above. Vegetable cutter or multimixer)))
Deer pussy
fffuntic, Lena, to me on you too
I had a universal cutter in the Boshik set, and I also bought a mini-processor, it also has discs, but also knives
Knor
Quote: fffuntic
It was necessary to take without cubes)))
Of course, I don't use it every day, but I really like the cubes. And I cut on an alligator and on a Boshik. Boshik is faster, the alligator is quieter.
Sails
And I, too, really like the cubes in the bosch. More than Kenwood (I have it too).
fffuntic
Girls, dear.
I hold the cubes with both hands. It's just that for my small family, a large bulky attachment turned out to be irrelevant. I need two carrots every day.
And if the family is big and cook a lot, then it's a wonderful thing. It would be very useful, because it is designed for serious cooking.
Therefore, I am not discouraging anyone, but suggest that they study their needs.
A wonderful unit, a Bosch combine, quiet and very pretty in appearance. Very high quality slicing. But the model must be selected according to your needs.
A small blender bowl for cubic vegetables was more suitable for me, it is easier to care for it in my case. Now, if I had a lot of people in my family, then the blender would not be so relevant and would choose a nozzle.
Ilmirushka
Quote: optimist
and I lick my lips at this model - Bosch MUM54251
Lenusya, I have a Bosch of this particular model. I am very happy with it. When I chose, and I did it for a long time, 6-7 months, I chose exactly according to the configuration, this model has everything, that is, 6 in 1. I can not compare with other meat grinders, but in Boch I like it because in 3 seconds assemble and disassemble in 3 seconds, washing is not a problem. I use the grill from the complete set. The blender is noisy, but powerful and tolerating the noise for a couple of minutes is not a problem either. I really like the cube attachment, I use it for making salads, and it turns out okroshka especially quickly - chop it, put it in the refrigerator and do it on a plate as you like, it happens that it is enough for a couple of days. Citrus juice is also fast, I often squeeze for cocktails.
By and large, I personally do not have enough in the configuration, a medium grater, well, I would like a flexi whisk, but I’m getting along, and I don’t even need a grinder for a meat grinder, there is only one that is.
optimist
Ilmirushka, and what can you say on the graters? Is there really one too large and the other too small?
fffuntic
Lenusya, well, go to the store and see for yourself. Compare with the one you need for every day. I am very happy with the fine salad grater. Just many harvesters do not have such a small one, so I did not consider the purchase of an average one as a tragedy.
But you can't put such a trifle in soup, in my opinion.
No amount of feedback will replace a personal impression. And the video does not check out the assembly of nozzles.
How lazy are you? maybe everything will suit you, and maybe it will scare you.
And again .. why do you need a harvester. I also needed it for choux pastry. And without flexi, you can only use your hands or a home electric mixer in the old fashioned way. The three-tailed whisk does not roll.

Check out the multi-mixer. This attachment is a blender + vegetable cutter at the same time and small in size. Then the cube cutter will come in handy for you. There will be a multi for every day, and a cube cutter for the holidays, when salads are needed.
Not so simple.
If you want to get the most out of it, take a look at the store yourself.
Look at the graters. There are also a bunch of them and there may be more or less of them immediately in the delivery to different models.
Ilmirushka
Quote: optimist
is one too large and the other too small?
Yes, Lenusya, This is true. And first of all, I started looking for a medium grater, I wanted to order it by all means. I found ... I saw the price and ... I thought I’ll manage it for now. And while that my "goodbye" lasted, I got used to those graters that are. And now that average is not necessary, really. In the fall, I make a vegetable freeze-dressing, grind the carrots on a coarse grater, put them in bags with flat plates, and when I take them out for soups, for stewing, for sauces, the frozen noodle petals partially break, and in the finished dish the carrots look quite decent, the petals are no longer as large as before freezing.
Knor
I did not order a medium grater right away, but now I have postponed the purchase. I got used to rubbing with a thick one. I have large, straight large pieces of carrots at high speed, and if the speed is low, then almost like on a regular grater, a little larger.
I thought about a multi-mixer, but there are the same disks, it will duplicate
Ilmirushka
Quote: Knora
at high speed, large, straight large pieces of carrots, and if the speed is low, then almost like on a regular grater, a little larger.
Sveta, exactly, I forgot about the speed.
fffuntic
We are all different. And I rubbed the handles up to the combine and now I can do it with the handles. But it's annoying that the harvester is there, but it will not do it the way I need it.
I have already spent money on a harvester to also adapt. Therefore, the grater was purchased.
Well, okay, we have already bought and are adapting. But then it is necessary that Lenusya I learned all the pros and cons from us, she still has a choice.
Can she choose a model with a richer set instead of a cube cutter?
Here she has to decide for herself.
And, girls, in fact, vegetables are supposed to be rubbed at high speed according to the instructions, so the load on the motor is less
optimist
Quote: fffuntic
Can she choose a model with a richer set instead of a cube cutter?
yes, it seems to be the most sophisticated model, with a meat grinder-MUM54251
Ilmirushka
Quote: optimist
this model is the most sophisticated and is
Lenusya, there are also other sets of attachments, but there is no such set. Usually there is something from this set, or a cube cutter, or a meat grinder, but here everything is there. At first I was skeptical about the meat grinder, but when I twisted a bucket of mushrooms in a matter of minutes, I rehabilitated it in my eyes. And the meat turns completely.
Anchic
I will also speak in favor of the cube. Our family is also small, 3 people. But yesterday Olivier set it up in 5 minutes, wash everything with handles - another 5 minutes. And the dishwasher is not a problem at all. And I can't cut a 4-liter bowl of salad in 10 minutes, even if I cut the potatoes, carrots and eggs with a string vegetable cutter, which gives cubes. And I also use this attachment in the summer for vegetable stew. Somehow, too, a lot of vegetables, until you cut everything. And then it's done. And I cut the vinaigrette with this nozzle. Although I do not use it often, I am glad that I have it.
Ilmirushka
Quote: Anchic
Somehow, too, a lot of vegetables, until you cut everything. And then it's done. And I cut the vinaigrette with this nozzle. Although I do not use it often, I am glad that I have it.
Anya,
fffuntic
I looked at what was offered.

This means that it is usually included in the first necessity, but not in the set:
A standard set of three discs everywhere.
1. There is not enough medium. This is 825 rubles, ( the same size, just more beautiful slicing - julienne disc - 929
Otherwise, you will have to "adapt"


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2. The whisk is missing. This whisk is classic. You can only do it if you don't make pastry 1500


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And now at will.
In the cube cutter attachment there is only one grate for 9mm, the second for 13 - if needed, you need to buy additional 1120


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well, grills for a meat grinder 1000 rubles - a set of two grills


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Of the coolest and cheapest models with a meat grinder, none have flexi and medium grater,
but in terms of configuration really Bosch MUM54251 is really the most optimal.
Because a similar Bosch MUM52131 is more expensive, but without a cube cutter.
Modelka
Bosch MUM57860 is expensive and without a cube cutter,
and Bosch MUM54270 is similar with grates and with a julienne grater at once, but without flexi and is also more expensive.

It turns out to be cheaper to take 54251 for 17 100 + 900 disc + 1500 whisk = 19500+ (optionally 1120 grill and additional grinder 1000 grills) = 19500 + 2120 = 21600 not counting delivery + somewhere let 500-1000 rubles = 22600
That is 20,500 - 22,600 gentlemen's minimum.
There are no shredders only.
Shredders are already a multimixer. The issue is controversial. Either for a mum to buy, or to take a separate blender with an immersion leg and choppers. At the same time, you can choose with graters for every day.


Ilmirushka
Lena, thanks for such a detailed comparison plate. Who is now tormented in the choice - will help a lot. I did the same for myself when I was looking for a combine. And I bought it in M-video during the New Year's Eve campaign for only 12 thousand rubles. Perhaps that's why the prices of individual extras seem so high to me.
fffuntic
When I bought an average grater, I was already mentally prepared. And then it cost 3 times cheaper.
And when I found out that I needed a whisk for 1500 + 350 delivery, here I was brutalized and the toad was choking, horror. And, most importantly, harmfulness - well, what is it - not to give a very necessary basic priblud. In addition, at that time, I already looked after the unit with lighter graters for every day.
When I bought, this one with a dice cutter cost strikingly more than those with a standard vegetable cutter. But I really wanted cubes.
Why, I’m dark, only now I found out that Bosch now sells 5s without meat grinders. Previously, they all came with meat grinders and were cheaper.
I had 4 up to 5. I liked her very much. There are big pluses there. I changed because of the cube cutter, which was not useful to me))) But now there is flexi. I don’t know if flexi was made for 4-ki or not. No flexi for cakes is bad. Well, people somehow manage, but I have no life without flexi.
Sails
Flexi from 5s goes well with 4s.
Cacktus
Quote: fffuntic
but most importantly, to be honest, after all this harvester does not make the impression of the unkillable, I am scared to twist meat on it, suddenly it will be with cartilage or bone, I will ruin the harvester,
Nothing will be ruined there, the maximum that will happen is the protective plastic sleeve will break.
Almost all meat grinders have such a protective sleeve or sleeve.
The clutch is a consumable, it changes without any problems on its own.




Quote: Knora
The meat grinder is weak. I just twist the breasts on it, I'm afraid of heavy meat.
Not weaker than most meat grinders.
Normally, she copes with any meat, the main thing is to collect it correctly.
It is not necessary to tighten the grill too much, you just need to tighten it easily by hand.
Quote: fffuntic
One bone in the meat and a truncated .. an expensive unit will break.
Only the protective sleeve breaks there.
Quote: fffuntic
For complete happiness, there are not enough gratings if used intensively. That is, you have to buy more.
When you start using the harvester, you find that the basic delivery does not contain any simple pribluds, namely very popular ones. ...do you get by with the lattice in the delivery, or did you buy additional ones?
There are normal grilles from third-party manufacturers, many times cheaper than the original ones, 3, 4.5, 6, 8 mm.
Quote: Deer pussy
And I also wanted to say about additional. nozzles, no one used the nozzle - press for fruits and berries?
It works well, but it stands like a cast iron bridge.
For the price of this attachment, you can buy a Gamma electric meat grinder with a screw extractor, and it will cost one and a half times less.
Moreover, Gamma's auger squeezer is made no worse than Boshev's, and in some ways even better.
Taia
Quote: fffuntic
No flexi for cakes is bad. Well, people somehow manage, but I have no life without flexi

This attachment is good not only for cakes, but much more. I also like it very much, I rarely bake cakes.
Ilmirushka
TayaAnd I ... did not dare to order it then, did not listen to you, and now it is already much more expensive, almost 2 times. So I run up periodically with a silicone spatula, when I knead the minced meat, so that it does not fall out over the edges
Anna1957
Taya, voice the whole list, pzhalusta
telez
I also love my Boshik dearly, I have exactly 54251, and I really like the cube cutter! But someone, on the contrary, was unhappy and sold it in the Flea market. How many people - so many opinions! And yes, I bought a flexi-attachment, a medium grater, a grater for potato pancakes, and even before the heap I took for carrots in Korean.
Deer pussy
Quote: telez
even before the heap I took for carrots in Korean.
I also like this grater, I rub carrots on it for soup and beets on borscht
Taia
Quote: Anna1957

Taya, voice the whole list, pzhalusta

Anya, it was not possible to answer in time, I apologize.
List: I grind cottage cheese for casseroles, I often make it, cheesecakes, knead minced meat for sausages, always when baking, for desserts, a lot for what. The most demanded nozzle.
Anna1957
Taya, do you remember everything thoroughly, lan?
MrsKaneva
Girls, do you think the Gamma screw extractor nozzle is suitable for Boshik mum5 or not? The diameter of their meat grinders is the same and the price is significantly different!
Cacktus
Quote: MrsKaneva
Do you think the Gamma screw extractor nozzle is suitable for Boshik mum5 or not? The diameter of their meat grinders is the same and the price is significantly different!
No, it doesn't fit.
I have both.
Marine
Does anyone have a mum58224 harvester, I can't understand why it's cheaper than mum58225? Logically, it should be the other way around, because the first is more complete. Write if someone knows?
fffuntic
where do you see 58224 for sale? As I understand it, the old price has misled you. Now on sale 58225.
And if an inexpensive 58224 is lying around somewhere else, then you're just lucky.
Marine
Yes, it is on sale somewhere in 4 online stores, and is cheaper than 58225 by about $ 50. Tell me he only differs from mum58720 in color, or are there any other differences ???
And then I have been choosing for a week, already in a dream they beat the squirrels))))
Taia
Marina, for the sake of interest, I looked at the descriptions of these combines and did not find any differences at all.
Although, I read these descriptions in the internet and perhaps there are inaccuracies. I've come across a similar one.
fffuntic
Combine 5 series

two parameters need to be watched: power and number of nozzles.
In online stores, incorrect information is often found. It is best to look for a full description on the Bosch website - there is a so-called Product Card, you need to download it and see the packaging, and if this product is not there, then call the service center and ask the exact difference in the packaging.
Well, with power it is understandable, but usually the equipment differs in the presence (most often)
- meat grinder
- blender
-vegetable cutter
- cube cutter
-citrus extractor

and less often all the rest
type of nozzle for molding dough
- the number of rubbing discs supplied (usually three standard, not very convenient)
- sometimes instead of a whisk with three uncomfortable tails, a modern flexi whisk is attached.

You are considering models
-58225


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there is a nozzle for molding dough for a meat grinder
there is a meat grinder.
no vegetable cutter (no disks), flexi, blender

58224


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there is a meat grinder
no attachment for molding dough to the meat grinder
- there is a vegetable cutter (standard discs)
- no blender and flexi

58720


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there is a vegetable cutter (standard discs)
have a blender
no meat grinder, nozzles for molding dough to the meat grinder (but it is generally rare garbage, something was added in 58225), no flexi
Go through the configuration here - take a look at the pictures, and you will understand how the models differ in 5-ok of the same power - check the box on the Power filter set to 1000


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add. 224 or 270, choose what you need a meat grinder or blender,
but for me 58225 at all in any gate. There is no vegetable cutter at all, but this molding for the dough .. well, you need it right up to tears
To buy a vegetable cutter or blender in addition is a tin

But it's really sad that there is no flexi anywhere. To buy it additionally - 2 additional pieces, or even more with delivery. And the question is how you like the discs. And then maybe you want an average or julienne, then it's still a piece for each.
Nip
Girls, who has a Bosch mum 54, tell me how he kneads yeast dough? What is the optimal amount of flour for kneading the dough for him, so that he works without tension, his head does not jump much, does not overheat?
lovely80
Nip, I put a maximum of 555 grams of flour on the yeast dough, I am satisfied with the kneading quality. I wouldn't risk it anymore. And he kneads for 10-15 minutes.

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