Homemade butter

[Andreevna, Hairpin]

Well, the first half of the report.
Was today at the Butyrsky market. I found Natasha (although I didn’t understand how her counter visually differs, but the language will bring it to Kiev). I bought a pound of sour cream for 150 rubles. By the way, I didn't know how much it might cost. Last, at Lianozovsky, I bought the same volume for 60. I think the price could be guided if you knew.
Now it is standing in the refrigerator along with water, cooling down. I'll do it a little later, I'll tell you everything in the second part.
I didn't get to Koptevsky. I forgot the address. Yesterday I dug everything on the Internet, and here you are. Utrechko I turned out to be something else. I don't even want to remember. But the day seems to be getting better))

Andreevna, Hairpin

Thanks for the clarification. But could it be better just an address? I’ll jump there by car. It's problematic to travel to the center and further, but it's easy to travel around our native spaces, especially during the day. And even more so, I won't get as much tasty food on the bus as I buy in the market.

[at the intersection of Koptevskaya Street and Koptevsky Boulevard]

And looked at the sour cream. She's there 300 rubles - kg.

Koptevsky market is located on Koptevskaya street between houses ... 22 and 24 ... More precisely, at the intersection of Koptevskaya Street and Koptevsky Boulevard (well, it's not my fault that everything here is Koptev).

[at the intersection of Koptevskaya Street and Koptevsky Boulevard]

Koptevsky market is located on Koptevskaya street between houses ... 22 and 24 ... More precisely, at the intersection of Koptevskaya Street and Koptevsky Boulevard (well, it's not my fault that everything here is Koptev).

They forgot to count me I was in the past VodnoStadionovskaya And now - between Voikovskaya and Lianozovo All the neighbors around

[at the intersection of Koptevskaya Street and Koptevsky Boulevard]

Koptevsky market is located on Koptevskaya street between houses ... 22 and 24 ... More precisely, at the intersection of Koptevskaya Street and Koptevsky Boulevard (well, it's not my fault that everything here is Koptev).

Yeah, I wrote it down. I will definitely come back next week. It seems to me, for the price - it looks like sour cream is normal.
Well, I went to whip. sorry there is no smiley with crossed fingers. ))

Mams, Welkam to our northern community))). It's great that we all live nearby! And there are many of us)))

[Cake]

Girls!
I consider it expedient to entrust me with checking the Koptev sour cream. On figs you hang around so far, if you do not know what it is?
And put control over me on Cake!!! Well, as usual ...

[MargoL]

Hurray, there is no need to go anywhere yet. MargoL will test Butyrskaya sour cream, and Hairpin- Koptevskaya. And we with Mams already on the beaten path, let's go to the goal - natural butter!

[Caprice]

Caprice, WELL IT IS IMPOSSIBLE to eat this store oil! no way !!!! I have tried everything that is sold in all price categories. I'll make a reservation that these are "simple" stores, I haven't been to the elite "Gourmet" ... And we don't have any grocery boutiques in the city either. And my .... summer habit in the morning bread + butter + coffee does not give me other options for breakfast! And I bought a good coffee maker, and the bread maker makes good bread, but the scented butter-plasticine and that's it! And such a heaviness in the stomach !!! I put 200 g in an oil can and it is enough for a week. I eat every day, the rest of the household is optional.

Well, if you have such an intolerance to store oil, then of course.
As far as I understand, your stores now have a lot of all kinds of products, you can choose an acceptable option

[MargoL]

Hurray, there is no need to go anywhere yet. MargoL will test Butyrskaya sour cream, and Hairpin- Koptevskaya. And we with Mams already on the beaten path, let's go to the goal - natural butter!

Andreevna!
Oh, they made fun! Well, someone who, and you do not walk on the beaten track with us !!!

[Admin]

AAAA! Paa-luu-chii-elk !!!!

Reporting: Butyrskaya sour cream has passed the test!

Given: Sour cream 450 g, 150 rubles. AdminThanks for the tip!

Bottom line: Buttermilk 200 ml, 192 g.
Oil 165 g.
Losses 93 g.
Time spent: 20 minutes, of which 8 minutes for whipping.
Photos below.

Observations and decisions made (I specifically detail, for those who are like me for the first time):
1. Beat better with a mixer with a stand. It's hard to hold in the hand, especially at the end.
2. To avoid splashing so much, you need to drain the buttermilk in several stages. Much more convenient!
3. Don't try to knock out all the buttermilk like I did. It is necessary to stop when the lumps do not stray together. Damn, I don't know how to explain. Well, in general, it should be grains, about the size of a pea, to make it easier to rinse. I beat for a long time, the oil became one big lump. More precisely, a smeared piece.
4. Water for flushing must be taken from the filter. Then it can also be used for bread. Yes, I am economical and practical! Look at the photo, in a large bowl the water from the first two washes - you can clearly see that it is valuable, I could not just pour it out!
5. I do not know if it is possible or not, but. Since I still had the oil stuck together, but not strong, while washing it, when I could not separate it with my hands, I decided to beat it with a mixer, literally 10 seconds, along with the second water. I like it. Immediately, the water became cloudy and the lumps were clearly smaller. In general, flushing is more efficient.
6. I have washed 3 times. Because I didn't want sourness in the oil. As a result, it does not exist. But the smell of sour cream (sour milk) is present. But he's nice, really.
7. When I last washed it, the water was almost clear. It is really more convenient to collect oil in small lumps, so that you can squeeze in the palm of your hand and squeeze. And then it easily forms into a large one lump. Approximately like soft plasticine in consistency. By the way, this lump, you can then beat off a little in your hands and pat it on it - more liquid is released.

Well, that's all.
Now it remains to wait for a group of testers))).

Oh, and one last thing. I realized that natural sour cream and store sour cream are two big differences. Pradva. For what I am indifferent to her - while the butter churned, I licked the whole jar of sour cream and the spoon with which I was picking it out. It is not sour at all. Feels like it’s fat, but my sensitive stomach is silent. So everything is more than good!
In general, I recommend giving it a try! Tomorrow I'll bake some fresh bread ...

and this is how the whipped butter with drained buttermilk looked like in a bowl. I didn't get all the photos in one post ((. Swears at the size - and they are already tiny, much less? Damn, I insert photos longer than I knocked butter))
In general, here.

[Andreevna]

Andreevna!
Oh, they made fun! Well, someone who, and you do not walk on the beaten path with us !!!

Nah, sometimes it happens to me too
MargoL
Great how. Such butter, and I just want to spread it on fresh bread. If, starting from the 800th anniversary of Moscow, I go now to your place for a piece of butter, will I find it again or will I just have to smell the plate? I am also economical, I certainly would not destroy such water, in bread it, and if there is a lot, you can freeze it in reserve. Now I'm waiting for the Koptevskaya sour cream to be checked for quality by our Shpilechka.

[MargoL]

MargoL

Who seeks will always find!!!

[Andreevna]

Andreevna, what is really there, come! Let's leave a piece
Just bring your own bread - I have baked goods on schedule tomorrow morning)))

I also think to freeze the water. Only I have not yet figured out what. The plastic cups are out.

Hairpin, thanks and support! We are now waiting for your butter. Eh, I still had to organize a tasting)))

MargoL, when the water settled, I still have about 80 ml.buttermilk separated, I baked rye bread on it, and replaced all the rest of the liquid with the water itself from rinsing, what good to waste

Eh, I still had to organize a tasting)))

It seems to me that there can be one supplier. Our milkmaid is from Ryazan. If they are all from Ryazan, then our sour cream may turn out to be from one can!

It seems to me that there can be one supplier. Our milkmaid is from Ryazan. If they are all from Ryazan, then our sour cream may turn out to be from one can!

At the Butyrsky market, a thrush from Admin, as far as I remember (I was already exhausted, didn’t I confuse who recommended it). She said she was from Dmitrov. So there is hardly one can)))

It is very pleasant that you were not disappointed in your expectations and that the quality of milk from Dmitrov made you happy!

At the Butyrsky market there are two milkmaids from Dmitrov, but on different days, and both Natasha, but their cans are different, since the cows are also different.
The second Natasha is dark and works on Saturday and Wednesday.

My Natasha said that the oil yield of 165 grams out of 500 grams of sour cream is a very good indicator.

It seems to me that there can be one supplier. Our milkmaid is from Ryazan. If they are all from Ryazan, then our sour cream may turn out to be from one can!

Sour cream from one can will be in the event that all the milk is dumped into one milk tanker to one supplier. We buy such sour cream in the store by weight.

Private sellers of milk cannot have this, since they sell their products (if they do not take them for sale) from their cows.
Of course, you need to find your seller among them.

It is very pleasant that you were not disappointed in your expectations and that the quality of milk from Dmitrov made you happy!

At the Butyrsky market there are two milkmaids from Dmitrov, but on different days, and both Natasha, but their cans are different, since the cows are also different.
The second Natasha is dark and works on Saturday and Wednesday.

My Natasha said that the oil yield of 165 grams out of 500 grams of sour cream is a very good indicator.

Admin, the quality is not comparable to my last attempt! Thank you so much for the recommendation. And thanks to Natasha - I will now be her client too))

[MargoL]

Girls, each hostess fries potatoes in her own way, although the butter, frying pan and potatoes are the same for everyone. So I wish everyone ITS delicious butter.
MargoL , you already understood the difference between store sour cream and state. Now we have to understand the big difference between real oil and what is sold in stores.
About buttermilk. Yes, of course, pouring out such wealth is sin. At least the first rinse water should be kept. After knocking down the buttermilk I collected (photo in a plastic glass), and after washing the oil, I collected it and cooked the food for the dogs. I have 2 wolfhounds and they need dairy products, and the taste of porridge is more attractive. So I have not lost it either
All to your health! And good luck in "taming sour cream"
All the same, I don't care about Moscow prices ... We have sour cream 140r kg, the cost of butter is 200r / kg - I calculated. And at you it falls out under poltyschschschs .... Yes .... Something not very economical recipe showed you .. But it tightens, then you won't eat anything else! As I - I order a bottle of sour cream from a milkmaid for a certain day and at home I beat it for future use (I keep it in the freezer)!

Girls, Admin said that the oil output is normal, but for the price it turns out that 910 rubles kg This is without the cost of the round trip !!! Horror! Who needs this oil ...
And from 500g of sour cream I got 300g of butter - I'll go and kiss my milkmaid!

[Cake]

Do you not believe that Moscow is an expensive city? Yes, according to the rating of cities in terms of high cost, it ranks first, almost in the world

I myself wonder how tenacious we are (especially pensioners)

Cake, on the avatar is not your wolfhound, fattened on the waste of a home creamery

[Admin]

Nope ... Not mine! Adminyou won’t believe it’s not even me

So our salaries are not small ...
My friend's daughter graduated from school (barely, out of three of her ...). Semi-literate, but ...believes that it is not worth working for less than 30,000 rubles ...

And how to find Romina's thrush? At the Butyrsky market for milkmaids 2. One is closer to the central aisle, the second is closer to the side aisle. So which one ??? and when???

And how to find Romina's thrush? At the Butyrsky market for milkmaids 2. One is closer to the central aisle, the second is closer to the side aisle. So which one ??? and when???

I'm not an Admin, but I was there today))). Therefore, I will answer. It happens on Thursdays and Sundays, until 2. Today there were three of them, and Natasha was in the middle)). In general, they have name badges. If you see

[MargoL]

MargoL , you already understood the difference between store sour cream and state. Now we have to understand the big difference between real oil and what is sold in stores.

Well, yes, I already understood. Unusual)). I think it turned out fatter than regular butter. But the scent ... It's something.
Today I put the bread on buttermilk. Here in the morning I will have a snack entirely of my own making))).

Prices are yes. And moreover, the further, the worse. I'm really not sure that I will switch to my own oil production)). It was more for fun. But then I tried it - and did not pull at the factory at all (((. No matter how it began to progress ...

By the way, Natasha had oil. It's a pity I didn't ask how much it costs. I don’t think 910 rubles per kg.

Hairpin, I have a big request for you: when you buy sour cream at the Koptevsky market, pay attention, please, how much oil costs there. I think that prices in different markets will not differ much, and we will get information about the economics of the process.

Good!

Oil of this quality will not be sold on the market! That they are fools or how can they not count ?!
They have small milk processing factories at home, I say what I know. They buy more to their milk. There is a whole chain of people buying up in the villages, delivering, processing ... it is very well and economically well established - the state would like to learn!
Judge for yourself. Even the best cow on the best grass will yield no more than 30 liters of milk per day. Now there is no grass, most of the cows are either on the run (not milked, wearing the calf), or just calving and feeding the calf. So those. who is still left to milk. give 10-12 liters at most! This is how much milk you need to save (even from 2-3-5 cows!) To make sour cream and cottage cheese ?! They also need to justify the road, and the place on the market, and the "rollback" ... Therefore, they either buy raw milk and process them at home (usually 20-30 flasks every other day), or buy ready-made products at a wholesale price.
The oil will be sold for two reasons: unsold sour cream began to disappear or it is partially falsified and it is profitable to have it "for the assortment." It is for the sake of comparison that it is worth making the oil yourself at least once.

MargoL! Thank you! I often go there, I only take cottage cheese there, by the way, with baked milk !!! It makes wonderful cheesecakes. And there is also "layer" curd. What is this, does anyone know?

And we have kg of butter on the market (the seller says that it is factory-made, but natural, I bought it, tastier than store-bought, but ... who knows) costs 40g (about $ 4-5) per kg. 1 kg of thick sour cream - 20-25 gr per kg. , from it about 700 g of butter is obtained. It turns out even cheaper than ready-made, and in the store more or less good oil costs 10 g. 200 g, which is more expensive than homemade oil in any case. Course-1 $ for 8.4 g approx.

[MargoL]

MargoL , I touched a little about the dairy business, I have no right to give out Natasha's "cow" secrets, but take my word for it, this is the raising of calves, cows, feeding them, milking, diseases, various certificates, trade permits, a place on the market and other things are expensive.
Adults cannot rest together, because it is boring to milk and feed cows 3 times a day, moreover, it is still dark. And so on ... a lot.

This is a business - you can't keep a few cows - you have to pay off the costs of the entire cow company, - you can't keep many - it's expensive.

When I listened to all this, I realized that I could not do that.
We are on opposite sides of the barricade - of course, it is expensive for me to buy milk at such a price, but I also cannot sell it cheaper.

So choose - expensive, but natural, or cheap - but sour cream from which you can't knock butter out.

[Admin]

Admin +1000000 !
Business is the hardest! I also saw it with my own eyes! Enormous love for animals + immense hard work + titanic health!
Turn over only these liters-kilograms ... Do it yourself! In addition to the separator, all other operations (filtering, heating, tilting, washing cans-bowls-buckets, washing mrl-rags) manually! so it's hard to envy their income. And most importantly, if you "jumped into this merry-go-round", there is no more opportunity to get sick or rest. Cows do not know such words. And the milk tanker will not be happy, to put it mildly ... so hard labor is one word
Celestine, I like your math better! Probably, you will do further? What did the family say, after all, everything is for them, relatives?

After reading post 96 Tortyzhki, I will add only:

My Natasha says that she has so many cows to prepare milk for sale twice a week. As far as I know, all milk is sold.

She prepares milk on her own and from the milk of her own cows.
The reason is one - twice a week you need to check milk in the laboratory (before selling) at the place of residence and also donate milk on the market for analysis - without this procedure and certificates, they will not be allowed to work.
Therefore, she does not want to risk her milk by pouring milk from other people's cows into it. Moreover, you need to drag the veterinarian to the cows periodically - which is also not free.

I will hardly make the oil myself, if for the sake of sports interest or there really is a need for it.
I buy ready-made butter from a milkmaid, it seems to me it is cheaper than doing it myself.
I only use it in cereals and for sandwiches. And for baking I buy good expensive butter - I don't bake so often.

[Admin]

Admin, it seemed to me that you were offended for your friend, the thrush. Excuse me, I probably wrote everyone too categorically as "dishonest" Of course, this is not so! Excuse me
But still, the fact takes place; the more valuable that honest sellers meet on our way and even become good acquaintances!
Offtopic in the topic. Yesterday I was at the market and bought meat. Marvelous pork shoulder blades, abundant meat, without codi and excess fat cost 150 rubles per kg. Since the last pre-Easter week and such a price will not last long, it has been packed in full, good. that they ate berries and vegetables in the freezers and the place was freed. I bought 13-plus kilograms at once: wow: I barely got to the car. I came home and decided to weigh what my aunt was on her weight-lifting scales and on a calculator, rewound with blue tape, she counted Weighed on electronic ones. HA!!!! A pretty penny, honestly !!! Now, as I eat, I'll go to this aunt again! And the pork is good, and my conscience is in order!

[Cake]

"Admin, it seemed to me that you were offended for your acquaintance, the milkmaid. Sorry, I probably wrote everyone too categorically as" dishonest ""

Cake , there is no resentment. I just clarified the situation regarding my protégé.
I talk to her more, hear and know from her the intricacies of this business, including how she acts

Look, our walkers gathered to her for sour cream - suddenly they will be afraid of such subtleties

I recommend buying market cream for testing and comparing it in consistency and taste with the store's highest fat content.
It will be interesting to hear your opinion
I distinguish them only by taste - unleavened cream, sour cream with sourness.
And the consistency in both jars is worth a spoon!

And another question: why does market milk stand in the refrigerator for a long time and does not deteriorate - but for a store milk, 2-3 days is enough for it to sour even in the refrigerator.

[Celestine]

Celestine, I like your math better! Probably, you will do further? What did the family say, after all, everything is for them, relatives?

My only demands homemade, the butter has long run out, and I haven't bought sour cream yet (on the weekend I can only), but demands "that sour butter", refuses to eat anything else. What have I done .. mamadaragaya, and my husband only demands homemade mayonnaise. I already feel like some kind of dairy plant))) I would also like to make condensed milk myself, I would not have a price

[Celestine]

"I wish I could make condensed milk myself, I wouldn't have a price."

Celestine, now we will raise your price

I need a recipe for homemade condensed milk - I have a recipe, I can look

[Celestine]

Celestine, now we will raise your price

No need, it's not very cheap anyway with our salaries

I need a recipe for homemade condensed milk - I have a recipe, I can look

if not difficult

And I was forbidden to buy homemade sour cream. They said it was "death to the liver." So I take the cream, it turns sour and I dilute it with homemade kefir. From 0.5 cream I make 1 liter of sour cream and still thick.

And I was forbidden to buy homemade sour cream. They said it was "death to the liver." So I take the cream, it turns sour and I dilute it with homemade kefir. From 0.5 cream I make 1 liter of sour cream and still thick.

No one has died from homemade natural and high-quality sour cream.
A measure of consumption is needed in everything.
Homemade sour cream can also be diluted with another dairy product.

When buying cream, read the ingredients and preservatives on the packaging.

[Celestine]

Celestine, today I will dig in the bowels of the computer.

Today, Mansura and Valentina (Kirzhach products) are on the market. Natasha has not been found! And I'm also interested in condensed milk!

Natasha Svetlenkaya works Thursday and Sunday
Natasha dark working Wednesday and Saturday

I'll do condensed milk in the evening, you need to look for a recipe on your computer

Admin! Thank you! Let's look!

[Admin]

Admin
I wrote this indistinctly .... I meant homemade cream ... We have very good milkmen bring products from their cows. We have been taking them for 15 years, we have become like relatives. After thickening and cooling, the cream can be cut with a knife. It is interesting to check them for oil output ...

And you were not forbidden to buy butter? it's even fatter than sour cream!
That's right, Admin! Everything is medicine, everything is poison, depending on what MEASURE!

LenaV07
Homemade Cream and homemade sour cream are one and the same. It's just that someone calls them cream, and someone calls them sour cream. Milk is taken and poured into a separator, and at the exit we get cream (sour cream). The separator has a regulator, twisting which, you can add or subtract the fat content of the cream (sour cream) at the outlet. In my opinion. If I have not yet forgotten the village everyday life

[Cake]

Cake
No, oil was not banned, we just eat very little of it. I'm ashamed to admit, but recently I found a piece of homemade butter in the freezer, which was "lost" there
And everyone loves cottage cheese, and so that with sour cream ... But they demand, parasites, "pouring" ..., and this is not applicable to homemade sour cream. Well, but I'm worried about them, I want to feed them with natural products. So I adapted to breed them.
oleg9979
This is true in home production. Conventionally, we call cream not a sour product, but sour cream.

[oleg9979]

oleg9979, in our Donbass, private traders sell two types of sour cream - "vershok sour cream (skimmed)" and "separator sour cream".
Sour cream on top (skimmed) - in principle, it should be done like this - cream (tops) is carefully skimmed off the settled milk, but sellers are now skimming off sour milk, thereby increasing the yield of the product. Oil from such sour cream will not work.
LenaV07 was referring to separator sour cream or skimmed cream from fresh milk.